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[quote=mredskins;1292655]Scott's offense with Watson under center will be improved.

The weak points of our O in order is:

1. TH
2. Oline
3. turner

TH is not a full time nfl qb by any means[/quote]

And the problem with Scott Turner is that he calls plays like he has an elite QB.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1292647]I'm pretty sure the Texans would still be stubborn and would still be asking for some ridiculous price. Right now they are basically paying $10 million to sit inactive each game.[/quote]

Fine, we'll throw in Bostic and Collins.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1292659]Fine, we'll throw in Bostic and Collins.[/quote]

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1292657]I'll take Terry, Gibson, and Logan over any offensive talent Stafford had in Detroit (after Megratron retired). And our crappy defense would look elite compared to what Detroit had during Stafford's time there.[/QUOTE]


Well right now Detroit is playing better than we are without Stafford. They don’t have the talent we do but they are being put in a position by the coaches to at least compete.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1292655]Scott's offense with Watson under center will be improved.

The weak points of our O in order is:

1. TH
2. Oline
3. turner

TH is not a full time nfl qb by any means[/QUOTE]


Id flip that list upside down.

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[quote=punch it in;1292663]Well right now Detroit is playing better than we are without Stafford.[/quote]

Is this a version "I know you are but what am I?" Detroit is 0-3, you'd have your hair on fire right now if we were 0-3.

It's funny that you complain about the coaching staff, yet don't think Heinecke is not a problem or that the coaching staff putting all their eggs on TH is not an issue?

Make up your mind man.

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[quote=punch it in;1292664]Id flip that list upside down.[/quote]

Then we agree the 2nd biggest problem on defense is the oline. perfect.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1292666]Is this a version "I know you are but what am I?" Detroit is 0-3, you'd have your hair on fire right now if we were 0-3.

It's funny that you complain about the coaching staff, yet don't think Heinecke is not a problem or that the coaching staff putting all their eggs on TH is not an issue?

Make up your mind man.[/QUOTE]


First of all Detroit has been competitive against three very good teams, and I think they are better than we are. I had my hair on fire after the Giants win, Because we should have lost and played like shit. Have been consistent about what i think about this team all season.
Second of all did the coaching staff put all their eggs on TH or did Ryan Fitzpatrick get hurt? Those are weird dots you are connecting between TH who was our backup and our coaching staff. Ive said repeatedly that our staff sucks, and that we need a quarterback. Not sure what you want me to make up my mind about?

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1292667]Then we agree the 2nd biggest problem on defense is the oline. perfect.[/QUOTE]


Absolutely. TH aint our franchise quarterback and wasn’t supposed to even be starting. Happy to have him as a backup and I believe this is like his third start ever? I just cannot put our offensive struggles on his shoulders first and foremost. Its Turner. O line is right up there though. You give us McVay back and a solid oline and nobody is complaining about Tyler.

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The O-line has not been the problem. It's not even top 5 of the problems.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1292671]The O-line has not been the problem. It's not even top 5 of the problems.[/QUOTE]


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Sorry chief we are getting manhandled in the trenches on both sides of the ball.

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[quote=punch it in;1292670]Absolutely. TH aint our franchise quarterback and wasn’t supposed to even be starting. Happy to have him as a backup and I believe this is like his third start ever? I just cannot put our offensive struggles on his shoulders first and foremost. Its Turner. O line is right up there though. You give us McVay back and a solid oline and nobody is complaining about Tyler.[/quote]

There is no coach in the NFL that is going to do much with TH at center for any long period of time.

You tell me your dream HC/OC and where they are now; then remove whom ever their current starting QB is and replace him with TH. There is ZERO chance that offense isn't taking several steps backwards.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1292673]There is no coach in the NFL that is going to do much with TH at center for any long period of time.

You tell me your dream HC/OC and where they are now; then remove whom ever their current starting QB is and replace him with TH. There is ZERO chance that offense isn't taking several steps backwards.[/QUOTE]


Why am I suddenly the President of the TH fan club? Lol. For the last time I absolutely do not think he is a long term starter but he is not problem numero uno on this offense.
This is basically his third game with us including TB last year. He balled out in two of them. He was not good yesterday and that was a damn good defense. The playcalling has been atrocious. The drops. The penalties. Those aren’t on TH. We are going to trade for or draft a quarterback in the near future but that is not going to fix everything. No way.

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TH is what he is, an undrafted guy that can make some plays here and there. Tony Romo was a fluke undrafted stud QB.. Kurt Warner too.. That happens once every 20 years maybe.

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seems this thread has jumped the tracks a little

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[quote=punch it in;1292672][IMG]https://media1.giphy.com/media/bm02BE6DQ4Oag8GXep/giphy.gif[/IMG]

Sorry chief we are getting manhandled in the trenches on both sides of the ball.[/quote]

That's not what the #s say.

QB pressures: tied for 10th in the league with 19 total QB pressures (worst is 33)
QB pressure %: 16th with 18.1% of drop backs ending in pressure (worst is 29%)
Sacks allowed: 1st with 3 allowed (worst is 15)

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1292671]The O-line has not been the problem. It's not even top 5 of the problems.[/quote]

Agreed. The O line wasnt getting a great push on runs yesterday but gave Heinike good pass pro.

He had time to step back, plant the foot, clean pocket .. he just wasnt getting the ball out on time and in rythym.

A lot of clutch, clutch, tuck and run or clutch, clutch, scramble take dump off to a guy just standing still bc his route ended 2 seconds ago.

Im waiting for some film breakdown to see if it was good coverage D or Heinike hesitant bc he doesnt know how to read/throw with anticipation ... or both.

Most of his throws and releases were after a guy made their break.

Its his 3rd start .. but it looks like backyard college intramural football where the most athletic guy is the QB who holds the ball then just tucks and runs 50% of the plays.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1292676]seems this thread has jumped the tracks a little[/quote]

That'll happen here from time to time.

Fuck it, it's Monday, fill my kool-aid back up. Chase gets 2+ sacks on Sunday.

JDR - Just as an FYI, you are allowed to run stunts in the NFL.

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[quote=SunnySide;1292681]Agreed. The O line wasnt getting a great push on runs yesterday but gave Heinike good pass pro.

He had time to step back, plant the foot, clean pocket .. he just wasnt getting the ball out on time and in rythym.

A lot of clutch, clutch, tuck and run or clutch, clutch, scramble take dump off to a guy just standing still bc his route ended 2 seconds ago.

Im waiting for some film breakdown to see if it was good coverage D or Heinike hesitant bc he doesnt know how to read/throw with anticipation ... or both.

Most of his throws and releases were after a guy made their break.

Its his 3rd start .. but it looks like backyard college intramural football where the most athletic guy is the QB who holds the ball then just tucks and runs 50% of the plays.[/quote]

Yep, he's not pressured all that much, yet he scrambles more than every other QB besides Daniel Jones and Lamar Jackson.

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[quote=SunnySide;1292681]Agreed. The O line wasnt getting a great push on runs yesterday but gave Heinike good pass pro.

He had time to step back, plant the foot, clean pocket .. he just wasnt getting the ball out on time and in rythym.

A lot of clutch, clutch, tuck and run or clutch, clutch, scramble take dump off to a guy just standing still bc his route ended 2 seconds ago.

Im waiting for some film breakdown to see if it was good coverage D or Heinike hesitant bc he doesnt know how to read/throw with anticipation ... or both.

Most of his throws and releases were after a guy made their break.

Its his 3rd start .. but it looks like backyard college intramural football where the most athletic guy is the QB who holds the ball then just tucks and runs 50% of the plays.[/quote]

JP said it best, TH has been getting lucky with a lot of his passes for a while now and it finally caught up to him.

I don't know if this is on Scott or TH, but I feel like they are always looking for the deep pass. We don't need a deep bomb on every play and TH is not Mahommes. In a game where we needed to control the clock and keep the Bills offense on the sidelines, that didn't happen.

I still think we have the talent on offense to focus on running the ball, short and screen passes to allow us to control the clock and keep the opponent's offense off the field.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1292692]JP said it best, TH has been getting lucky with a lot of his passes for a while now and it finally caught up to him.

I don't know if this is on Scott or TH, but I feel like they are always looking for the deep pass. We don't need a deep bomb on every play and TH is not Mahommes. In a game where we needed to control the clock and keep the Bills offense on the sidelines, that didn't happen.

I still think [B]we have the talent on offense to focus on running the ball[/B], short and screen passes to allow us to control the clock and keep the opponent's offense off the field.[/quote]

This is what I'm frustrated with Turner about - we are not using Gibson much..

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[url]https://twitter.com/john_keim/status/1442595524729782275?s=21[/url]

He's still young and trying to figure it out.

Give it time.

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On Chase Young: Finished watching every pass rush from Sun. Can see what Rivera was talking about with the stutter step. If he starts, then stutters, nothing. Quick stutter then go? Got some pressure. Best rushes: Full force ahead. Hands better in those spots; more power w/quicks

John Keim
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Rivera said Chase Young has had some good rushes. Also said, "Has to understand what his strengths are and attack with his strengths because he can be a disruptive player."
Rivera said he wants to see less stutter-stepping; get off and go. "When he is moving, he is a force."


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You can see on some of the clips .. sometimes Chase does this stutter step thing before engaging or making a move on the T and the T just stands there like "thank you for wasting 2 seconds on that and now trying to beat me when your flat footed".

Against Atlanta I think we see a more quick off the snap Chase. Thats his bread winner. Quick, flying off the snap. I dont care if he tries a swim move or a bull rush, just explode off the snap first.

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Hmm, be glad to see that, but curious why he's suddenly tried stuttering and why nobody has addressed it before game 3. Haven't seen enough PS film to know if he has been doing it for months, but shouldn't the DL coach, if not JDR have picked this up and dealt with it before RR even had to mention it?

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1292884]Hmm, be glad to see that, but curious why he's suddenly tried stuttering and why nobody has addressed it before game 3. Haven't seen enough PS film to know if he has been doing it for months, but shouldn't the DL coach, if not JDR have picked this up and dealt with it before RR even had to mention it?[/quote]

Exactly....

Maybe not in camp or PS but the film review Wk1 should have been all that was required

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1292884]Hmm, be glad to see that, but curious why he's suddenly tried stuttering and why nobody has addressed it before game 3. Haven't seen enough PS film to know if he has been doing it for months, but shouldn't the DL coach, if not JDR have picked this up and dealt with it before RR even had to mention it?[/QUOTE]


Winner winner. Chicken Dinner. Our staff is the single biggest problem right now.

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The biggest stutter step was drafting him that high to begin with ..

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1292956]The biggest stutter step was drafting him that high period …[/QUOTE]


Oh boy. Lol.

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CY hate is too much. Chill the fuck out

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I really don’t know who we would have drafted instead. Herbert? Even in post draft interviews the GM for chargers was not viewing him as an immediate starter.

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Yeah the other 2 choices would have been Tua or Herbert, thankfully it wasn't Tua... CY hasn't done much this yr but we will see if he can turn that around starting Sunday. If he has another bad game against that horrible line, then something is very wrong

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3 games in and people are giving up on CY?

Ridiculous.

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I’m not saying he is a bad player .. I’m questioning is any Pass rusher worth #2 pick especially when we have so many needs .. we allready had a solid D line now we have spent 4 number one picks on a line that is not good .. No hate for CY just think we shoulda have explored getting multi picks for that spot ( maybe we tried and no takers) ..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1292960]Yeah the other 2 choices would have been Tua or Herbert, thankfully it wasn't Tua... CY hasn't done much this yr but we will see if he can turn that around starting Sunday. If he has another bad game against that horrible line, then something is very wrong[/quote]

I think the edge is just being too aggressive. Don't keep moving outside just because you have speed. Hold that pocket. Someone will break through. Some is coaching some is just player growth.

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[quote=MTK;1292961]3 games in and people are giving up on CY?

Ridiculous.[/quote]

+1

Ridonkulous.

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[quote=rocnrik;1292963]I’m not saying he is a bad player .. I’m questioning is any Pass rusher worth #2 pick especially when we have so many needs .. we allready had a solid D line now we have spent 4 number one picks on a line that is not good .. No hate for CY just think we shoulda have explored getting multi picks for that spot ( maybe we tried and no takers) ..[/quote]

Any player is worth the #2 pick regardless of position (ST excluded). You do your research, determine your rankings, what your options are with your draft slot, and you draft the best player available. It's nonsense to suggest drafting for need - 5 years from now every player in that top 10 could be a waste of a pick except the guy you pick (if you played your cards right).

It's real easy to judge with hindsight.

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Defensive linemen went 2-4 the previous year, and DEs in particular are going all the time at the top of the draft if they are worthy, so I don't know if you can say a pass rusher isn't worth the #2 pick. And if I remember correctly, CY was considered THE best player in that draft by pretty much everyone whose job it was to try to determine that.

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1292963]I’m not saying he is a bad player .. I’m questioning is any Pass rusher worth #2 pick especially when we have so many needs .. we allready had a solid D line now we have spent 4 number one picks on a line that is not good .. No hate for CY just think we shoulda have explored getting multi picks for that spot ( maybe we tried and no takers) ..[/QUOTE]


Pass rusher might be the most important position other than quarterback these days. Trading back was obviously an option but doesn’t always work out. CY will be just fine.

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lol everyone is a draft expert in hindsight

Sounds like CY has some growing up to do, or maturing as Ron has repeatedly said lately.

He'll get there, he's too talented of a player and he's got the passion for the game.

He's certainly not the first player to struggle in year 2.

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[quote=MTK;1292983]lol everyone is a draft expert in hindsight

Sounds like CY has some growing up to do, or maturing as Ron has repeatedly said lately.

He'll get there, he's too talented of a player and [B]he's got the passion for the game.[/B]

He's certainly not the first player to struggle in year 2.[/quote]

I disagree - we haven't seen anything to indicate he's putting the work in. But we do have a whole rack of commercials and game shows he's done - obviously doing those things with his free time indicates he's only in this for the money and fame.