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Cousins is really helping the offense and the offense is better around him as well.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1125410]Guess what, Chico? I would be satisfied with 8-8 this season. Kirk is far from the only player who needs to develop for us to improve our W/L record. Plus, I think we need two more drafts and two more FA periods to become a perennial contender. I consider this to be Year 1 of a three year building process. I think Kirk is developing and I hope he gets where we need him to be by the time we're ready to win big.[/quote]

Yeah I was saying the plateau is 7-9 and 8-8 max with cousins. I would take that this year for sure.

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8-8 Would be a great year for what we have been through! i can see this team being very good with another offseason under us..and if cousins does not work out we can always go after a FA QB ..

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[quote=Chico23231;1125426]Yeah I was saying the plateau is 7-9 and 8-8 max with cousins. I would take that this year for sure.[/quote]

I hope Kirk's ceiling is higher than 8-8. I think he could improve enough to QB a contender. With a much better team around him two years from now, I think we could start to have consistent winning seasons. We might even have a winning record next season if we're lucky.

Kirk is good enough right now to to start on this team, so we should be able to find out soon enough if he has the right stuff. If and when it becomes apparent to the GM and HC that he isn't the right man for the job, I'm confident that they'll make a change.

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I'm not an optimist by nature but I am quite confident that Kirk Cousins will develop into a QB more than capable of leading this team into the playoffs and beyond.

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[quote=davy;1125433]I'm not an optimist by nature but I am quite confident that Kirk Cousins will develop into a QB more than capable of leading this team into the playoffs and beyond.[/quote]

I'm sure we all hope you're right, Davy. We really need a stalwart at the QB position.

BTW, would you happen to be the crazy Redskins fan who was wearing a blow-up Redskins helmet and a Skins jersey while waving a Redskins banner who I saw on TV at the most recent NFL game in London? I'm not quite sure which answer I'm hoping to receive.

;)

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[quote=punch it in;1125396]The Jets have beaten the Browns Colts and Dolphins? Yes we lost to Miami. They lost to Philly. Every week I hear about how we are giving other teams too much credit. I am going to be the first to say we are giving them too much.
To quote so many other posts about so many other games "when the hell did they become the 85 Bears?" Oh and I will add that Ryan Fitzpatrick stinks. Bring em on![/quote]I can't speak for anyone else. I have given each opponent the the credit I think they deserve. I thought we matched up quite well with all the opponents we've faced thus far. So when some people were throwing their hands up saying we can't beat the Falcons I wasn't one of them. That's not how I view a team. I try to look objectively at each team we face and think about the ways we can come out with a W. And they better have a solid game plan and come to play because its going to tough.

Imo the Jets are the toughest team we've faced thus far; that is not to say I don't think we can win. The 2 thoughts are mutually exclusive.

I know many in this forum have chest puffing disdain for advanced stats but Football Outsider's rates the Jets defense as #2 overall #5 vs the pass and #1 vs the run. And before you excuse away their rankings FBO accounts for the strength of the competition better then raw defense stats like yards allowed or points allowed. Then you look at their personnel and coaching. Both are very good.

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Revis and Cromartie can't cover EVERYONE. Going to be a lot of underneath throws and hopefully they don't have the LB tackling that Atlanta did. Every time we caught an underneath ball, it feel like our guys went down instantly.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1125434]I'm sure we all hope you're right, Davy. We really need a stalwart at the QB position.

BTW, would you happen to be the crazy Redskins fan who was wearing a blow-up Redskins helmet and a Skins jersey while waving a Redskins banner who I saw on TV at the most recent NFL game in London? I'm not quite sure which answer I'm hoping to receive.

;)[/quote]


No, that wasn't me, but if the Redskins ever do come to Wembley I'll be there looking equally ridiculous. :cheeky:

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[quote=davy;1125442]No, that wasn't me, but if the Redskins ever do come to Wembley I'll be there looking equally ridiculous. :cheeky:[/quote]

I read somewhere that the Skins are one of the candidates to play in London [U]next season[/U]!

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[QUOTE=30gut;1125437]I can't speak for anyone else. I have given each opponent the the credit I think they deserve. I thought we matched up quite well with all the opponents we've faced thus far. So when some people were throwing their hands up saying we can't beat the Falcons I wasn't one of them. That's not how I view a team. I try to look objectively at each team we face and think about the ways we can come out with a W. And they better have a solid game plan and come to play because its going to tough.



Imo the Jets are the toughest team we've faced thus far; that is not to say I don't think we can win. The 2 thoughts are mutually exclusive.



I know many in this forum have chest puffing disdain for advanced stats but Football Outsider's rates the Jets defense as #2 overall #5 vs the pass and #1 vs the run. And before you excuse away their rankings FBO accounts for the strength of the competition better then raw defense stats like yards allowed or points allowed. Then you look at their personnel and coaching. Both are very good.[/QUOTE]


Which is why our ST and D have to put us in good field position, force turnovers, and a score would be great. Its how the Eagles beat them. Bradford did not turn it over and Matthews ran for over 100.

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[quote=Chico23231;1125409]If cousins had more competent, consistent play in both the Miami and Atlanta games they would have been wins. He has been ok, but ok gets u 7-9 and 8-8. I need to see much better play to secure himself as the starter for next year.[/quote]

I'm ok with "OK" this year. After all I don't think most predictions had this team winning more than 4-5 games. So if they end up with 7-9 wins, that is a success and something to build on.

Every single 'good to great' QB in the history of the game required time to become just that. They needed the opportunity to learn from their mistakes, and patience from everyone around them to allow the whole team to grow together. For some QBs and some teams it happened faster than others...this guy has had a total of five games as the anointed starter, with the benefit of taking all the starter repetitions, working with the 1s, etc.

Whether you choose to see it or not, this team is getting better and is growing together. There's a ton of new faces in the starting lineups - some by design, and some due to multiple injuries to 1st and 2nd stringers. It's a testament to Scot M. for bringing the right guys in, and it's a testament to the coaching staff for putting it all together on Sundays.

While Kirk has been great at times and not so great at times, I believe the team is much better with him behind center, and has a pretty high ceiling. The overall health of the team has been the bigger issue to me, rather than Kirk's inconsistency. I'm not going to predict the playoffs this year, but it's not out of the question given the state of the NFC East. I will say that as of this week there are less than five teams in the entire league that I feel this team cannot beat if they put together their A game.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1125456]I'm ok with "OK" this year. After all I don't think most predictions had this team winning more than 4-5 games. So if they end up with 7-9 wins, that is a success and something to build on.

Every single 'good to great' QB in the history of the game required time to become just that. They needed the opportunity to learn from their mistakes, and patience from everyone around them to allow the whole team to grow together. For some QBs and some teams it happened faster than others...this guy has had a total of five games as the anointed starter, with the benefit of taking all the starter repetitions, working with the 1s, etc.

Whether you choose to see it or not, this team is getting better and is growing together. There's a ton of new faces in the starting lineups - some by design, and some due to multiple injuries to 1st and 2nd stringers. It's a testament to Scot M. for bringing the right guys in, and it's a testament to the coaching staff for putting it all together on Sundays.

While Kirk has been great at times and not so great at times, I believe the team is much better with him behind center, and has a pretty high ceiling. The overall health of the team has been the bigger issue to me, rather than Kirk's inconsistency. I'm not going to predict the playoffs this year, but it's not out of the question given the state of the NFC East. I will say that as of this week there are less than five teams in the entire league that I feel this team cannot beat if they put together their A game.[/QUOTE]


Bravo.

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[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/10/14/ryan-grant-blames-himself-for-kirk-cousinss-game-ending-pick-six-against-atlanta/?postshare=8571444857993[/url]



I really like Grant. I can't believe a receiver actually took the blame for something.

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[QUOTE=Brody81;1125461][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/10/14/ryan-grant-blames-himself-for-kirk-cousinss-game-ending-pick-six-against-atlanta/?postshare=8571444857993[/url]



I really like Grant. I can't believe a receiver actually took the blame for something.[/QUOTE]


Its when they get paid and host their own reality show that you want to see them taking the blame.
In all seriousness I dont think we can blame him for falling down? Glad he got his qb's back though. Classy move for sure.

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[quote=Brody81;1125461][URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/10/14/ryan-grant-blames-himself-for-kirk-cousinss-game-ending-pick-six-against-atlanta/?postshare=8571444857993[/URL]



I really like Grant. I can't believe a receiver actually took the blame for something.[/quote]

I really like that.....

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Refs are a bitch for not calling that block in the back on Grant. I hate those fools.

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i know i'm late to the party, i've been out, but i think this game we really needed B+ kirk instead of C- kirk.

the running game or the run defense stepping up a bit more could have also changed the end result, but we lost a close game to a better team. disappointed in how it ended, but at least the team has some fight. hopefully we can take out the frustration of this loss on the jets.

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Why hasnt anybody here talked about the missed block by the olineman on the last play?

Listening to Mike Robinson from nfl network, said that at looking at tape that jumped out at him as the main cause of the int. Said the Cousins read and throw were fine for that situation. Said the combination of the poor oline play and the let down by the WR reason for that loss and everybody wants to talk Kirk Cousins? I guess folks are giving passes to the oline now?

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1125492]Why hasnt anybody here talked about the missed block by the olineman on the last play?

Listening to Mike Robinson from nfl network, said that at looking at tape that jumped out at him as the main cause of the int. Said the Cousins read and throw were fine for that situation. Said the combination of the poor oline play and the let down by the WR reason for that loss and everybody wants to talk Kirk Cousins? I guess folks are giving passes to the oline now?[/QUOTE]
I think Kirk absolved the o-line by saying he should have changed the protection call when he saw the defense.

Interestingly it was probably a very similar play to one where griffin took a huge sack in the preseason and many gave griffin a pass blaming the o-line instead.

Sent from my S6 Edge

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[quote=Chico23231;1125492]Why hasnt anybody here talked about the missed block by the olineman on the last play?

Listening to Mike Robinson from nfl network, said that at looking at tape that jumped out at him as the main cause of the int. Said the Cousins read and throw were fine for that situation. Said the combination of the poor oline play and the let down by the WR reason for that loss and everybody wants to talk Kirk Cousins? I guess folks are giving passes to the oline now?[/quote]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOgUqrd7jcY[/url]

^^ video of the int.

Immediate pressure came from blitzing OLB #54, who came in untouched as trent was engaged with the DE.

#44 runs a simple stunt and is able to squeeze through the middle of Long and Lich.

Credit to the Falcons D coach for dialing up a look I assume the skins had not seen bc our entire left side were certainly caught off guard.

I was too hard on kirk for this int. he did kinda throw it blind but it wasnt a full blown panic throw like i was initially thinking it was. Kirk actually had some time to see the field.

Kirk does stare down Grant the entire time.

Kirk doesnt seem to realize the OLB #54 is blitzing leaving the TE wide open running a seam route which ends up being the same dig route that grant runs.

it appears like the outside WR on trips right was wide open on a cross.

soo frustrating.

there were guys open all over the field.

why didnt kirk recognize that the trips right had coverage 10 yards from the LOS?

wouldnt that be the perfect hot route?

why stare down grant?

i think ive posted more about this 1 int than any int ever. i need to let it go. sorry for the long rambling post.

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[quote=over the mountain;1125494]

why didnt kirk recognize that the trips right had coverage 10 yards from the LOS?

wouldnt that be the perfect hot route?

why stare down grant?

i think ive posted more about this 1 int than any int ever. i need to let it go. sorry for the long rambling post.[/quote]

Why haven't I hit the lottery?

Why won't the IRS leave me alone?

Why won't my wife believe me that I was out with the guys and I passed out on my buddy's couch until morning?

Why? Why? Why?

Because life is a bitch. Then you die.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1125502]Why haven't I hit the lottery?



Why won't the IRS leave me alone?



Why won't my wife believe me that I was out with the guys and I passed out on my buddy's couch until morning?



Why? Why? Why?



Because life is a bitch. Then you die.[/QUOTE]


Than u go to heaven where Your teams always win, and your wife believes everything. [emoji120][emoji72][emoji41]

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A bit late, but here are my thoughts. I'm glad this team put up a valiant effort against the Falcons, but it really was such a shitty way to lose. Just think of how many starters we had out.

S, LG,WR,TE,CB.....five starters out and still carry these guys down to the wire. I think that says a lot about our depth.

Chris Baker is slowly becoming a stud on this line. Loved his effort out there and as well as the rest of the defense. They did a tremendous job holding Atlanta down and getting pressure on Ryan.

I have to say that I was really really disappointed in Garcon's play. This was the one thing I hated about this guy in Indy (as well as here). He's too damned inconsistent. He's brilliant in one game, and the next game drops passes that should be (and needs to be) caught.


Kirk was off most of the day except when the game was on the line. Needs to fix that accuracy up by throwing the ball sooner. It really was a shame Grant fell down and the game ended the way it did.

Our offensive line needs to block for the run better. Two games in a row our run game has been lack luster. Not sure it's because teams are stacking the box, or our RG/C are performing terrible. (I know Kory flat out sucked this past Sunday)


Also, I wanted to kick the coaches in the balls for that lame offensive series near the goal line that pretty much cost us a TD at the end. It was fucking dreadful.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1125493]...one where griffin took a huge sack in the preseason and many gave griffin a pass blaming the on-line instead.

Sent from my S6 Edge[/quote]Must have been in an alternate universe. '...gave Griffin a pass...' I don't recall that at all. Not trying to start a bruhaha but seriously, Griffin received zero passes in the preseason, even when they started Willie Smith (now jobless) @ LT

But yeah Kirk either missed a protection/shift and got pressured off the edge and was forced to throw hot.

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cooley and kirk both said that rush was due to a bad protection call on kirk's part. if grant didn't fall down, maybe it doesn't even matter... who knows.

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[quote=30gut;1125437]I know many in this forum have chest puffing disdain for advanced stats but Football Outsider's rates the Jets defense as #2 overall #5 vs the pass and #1 vs the run. And before you excuse away their rankings FBO accounts for the strength of the competition better then raw defense stats like yards allowed or points allowed. Then you look at their personnel and coaching. Both are very good.[/quote]

I really like FO analysis.

It's their number crunching Tandler used in his article about how Forbath's accuracy wasn't worth his short distance.

Also really like the DVOA they use to rank offenses and defenses.

Totally agree. This is going to be a test with everyone banged up.

A lot of quick, short passes, and I think we struggle running inside.

Their front is going to manhandle McRib if he has to sustain.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1125456]I'm ok with "OK" this year. After all I don't think most predictions had this team winning more than 4-5 games. So if they end up with 7-9 wins, that is a success and something to build on.

Every single 'good to great' QB in the history of the game required time to become just that. They needed the opportunity to learn from their mistakes, and patience from everyone around them to allow the whole team to grow together. For some QBs and some teams it happened faster than others...this guy has had a total of five games as the anointed starter, with the benefit of taking all the starter repetitions, working with the 1s, etc.

Whether you choose to see it or not, this team is getting better and is growing together. There's a ton of new faces in the starting lineups - some by design, and some due to multiple injuries to 1st and 2nd stringers. It's a testament to Scot M. for bringing the right guys in, and it's a testament to the coaching staff for putting it all together on Sundays.

While Kirk has been great at times and not so great at times, I believe the team is much better with him behind center, and has a pretty high ceiling. The overall health of the team has been the bigger issue to me, rather than Kirk's inconsistency. I'm not going to predict the playoffs this year, but it's not out of the question given the state of the NFC East. I will say that as of this week there are less than five teams in the entire league that I feel this team cannot beat if they put together their A game.[/quote]

Could not agree more.