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[quote=mooby;1056215]Brady v. Manning is overhyped. Neither would be anything if they didn't have 10 other guys on offense helping them out, as well as an entire defense supporting their leads and special teams helping them out. That's why they always give credit to their supporting cast, because they know they are the voice of an entire team. I think both are amongst the all-time greats at qb, but I don't care to rank which is better than the other. Both of them have put up amazing numbers with and without great supporting casts, although Brady has more seasons with the latter.[/quote]

Exactly true. Without Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne do we view Manning the same? Most likely not.

Without a great defense do we view Brady the same? Most likely not.

Its a joke that people think one is better than the other when football is such a team game.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1056208]Exactly, no way this pats team should have won 12 games , who is their big name playmaker?? On either side of the ball... It shows how great BB and TB really are.[/quote]

Are you kidding me?

They were 7th in total offense. They were 9th in rushing yards. They were 10th in passing. (total NFL rankings)


So Tom has no weapons, yet they manage to put up that type of yardage and scoring. Tom has weapons. Because YOU have never heard of them or because they aren't Dez, CJ, or AJ Green means they have no play makers. Apparently you haven't seen jack shit from Edleman, nor have you seen their running game. Sure, those first few games were brutal for Brady and company, but they took off once they got their rhythm. Stop this non-sense that Brady has no weapons.

Also, if Brady has no weapons, and Bill Bellichick is picking the players. What exactly does that say about BB?

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I have always wondered "what if" Tom Brady was on a different team in the NFL, and not one that always seems loaded up with winners like New England.

Would he still be viewed as one of the league's all time great? Maybe, but i'm not really sure. I don't see Tom Brady being the "Tom Brady" we know if he played for Oakland or Cleveland, etc....

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1056214]To be fair Tim did win a playoff game with Denver, that team is stacked on offense[/quote]

He won that game with 3 completed passes. Three!!!

COME ON MAN.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1056220]I have always wondered "what if" Tom Brady was on a different team in the NFL, and not one that always seems loaded up with winners like New England.

Would he still be viewed as one of the league's all time great? Maybe, but i'm not really sure. I don't see Tom Brady being the "Tom Brady" we know if he played for Oakland or Cleveland, etc....[/quote]

I don't see Manning being Manning on Cleveland or Oakland.

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This game, my friends, showed why we need to focus on our offensive line this off-season. The Broncos won the trenches and it allowed Peyton Manning to pick New England apart.

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[quote=donofriose;1056217]He made it just as far in the playoffs as Peyton Manning did last year.

And Tebow went 7-4. Orton went 1-4.[/quote]


Yeah. That had nothing to do with a shitty coach having Manning take a knee with 1:30 to go in the half. (notice this year they scored with the same amount of time before half) Nah, that had nothing to do with their defense making the biggest mistake in history allowing the other team to basically score on a deep ball when all they had to do is play deep.

Give Manning Bellichick and he'd have 5-6 Super Bowls by now.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1056224]Yeah. That had nothing to do with a shitty coach having Manning take a knee with 1:30 to go in the half. (notice this year they scored with the same amount of time before half) Nah, that had nothing to do with their defense making the biggest mistake in history allowing the other team to basically score on a deep ball when all they had to do is play deep.

Give Manning Bellichick and he'd have 5-6 Super Bowls by now.[/quote]

It had nothing to do with 3 Manning turnovers either...

Give Brady Harrison, Wayne, Clark, James, Stokley, Garcon, Decker, Thomas, Thomas, and Welker, he would hold all the regular season records just like Manning.

I'm just glad the f*cking Patriots are out of the playoffs.

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[quote=SirLK26;1056223]This game, my friends, showed why we need to focus on our offensive line this off-season. The Broncos won the trenches and it allowed Peyton Manning to pick New England apart.[/quote]

Manning doesn't hold the ball for 5 seconds either, can read defenses, change plays and his line knows where he is going to be unlike our QB.

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Yep Wilson is so much better the RG3... Lol

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If you add a great qb to a good team , you get a very good team . Put that great qb on a very good team > you get a great team. Put great QB on a great team , you end up in contention to win rings . NO qb can win a ring on a poor team , not Manning , Brady , Montana , Marino . I have no doubt that Cleveland would have been in the playoffs with either Manning or Brady . Football > Ultimate TEAM Sport !

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[quote=redskins5044;1056227]Manning doesn't hold the ball for 5 seconds either, can read defenses, change plays and his line knows where he is going to be unlike our QB.[/quote]

I agree.

Fix the QB. Fix the Line. Than maybe this team will take off.

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[quote=budw38;1056229]If you add a great qb to a good team , you get a very good team . Put that great qb on a very ggod team > you get a great team. Put great QB on a great team , you end up in contention to win rings . NO qb can win a ring on a poor team , not Manning , Brady , Montana , Marino . I have no doubt that Cleveland would have been in the playoffs with either Manning or Brady . Football > Ultimate TEAM Sport ![/quote]

Exactly. The Manning vs Brady debate is idiotic to me.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1056213]Which is why Tebow had a 8-8 record with them?[/quote]

Tebow didn't have Wes Welker a perennial pro bowler, a stud TE in J. Thomas, a finally healthy Moreno, and two wrs in D. Thomas and Decker going into their 3rd and 4th years where most WRs not named Megatron and Fitzgerald primarily hit their stride.

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[quote=donofriose;1056225]It had nothing to do with 3 Manning turnovers either...

Give Brady Harrison, Wayne, Clark, James, Stokley, Garcon, Decker, Thomas, Thomas, and Welker, he would hold all the regular season records just like Manning.[/quote]

He had just as many weapons on the 2007 team bro.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/10300335/what-peyton-manning-tom-brady-had-traded-places]What if Peyton Manning and Tom Brady had traded places - ESPN[/url]


Offenses don't cut it in the playoffs. Defenses do. In the playoffs, the play is more aggressive and defenses tend to shine. Regular season? It's all about the offense and scoring. Post season? It's all about the defense and special teams. It's like the NBA. Defense is a for gone conclusion during regular season, but come playoff time, the refs allow that extra contact and favors those with defenses (why Suns never won) You more likely aren't going deep into the playoffs with a subpar defense in the NFL. That isn't a conspiracy or theory. That is a straight up fact. Research it. (I have)

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[quote=SirLK26;1056223]This game, my friends, showed why we need to focus on our offensive line this off-season. The Broncos won the trenches and it allowed Peyton Manning to pick New England apart.[/quote]

Pretty much. As much as our pathetic defense gets talks about, this offseason I see the majority of our focus put towards the offensive line both in free agency and the draft. Primary focus this offseason had gotta be protecting the face of the franchise and doing everything in their power to letting him shine as bright as he has the potential to do so.

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[quote=donofriose;1056231]Exactly. The Manning vs Brady debate is idiotic to me.[/quote]

I agree , they play on diff.teams for diff coaches , are asked to run different schemes . Elite Qb's are going to play at a high level given some talent around them. Lets hope we are talking about RG3 this way in 10 years .

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[quote=skinsfanthru&thru;1056232]Tebow didn't have Wes Welker a perennial pro bowler, a stud TE in J. Thomas, a finally healthy Moreno, and two wrs in D. Thomas and Decker going into their 3rd and 4th years where most WRs not named Megatron and Fitzgerald primarily hit their stride.[/quote]

Welker had his lowest output this season since his 2006 year. Welker wasn't needed to make this offense soar like it has. A competent QB was what was needed.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1056236]Welker had his lowest output this season since his 2006 year. Welker wasn't needed to make this offense soar like it has. A competent QB was what was needed.[/quote]

He missed 3 games due to concussion issues and still had just under 800 yards and more tds than any previous season.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1056233]He had just as many weapons on the 2007 team bro.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/10300335/what-peyton-manning-tom-brady-had-traded-places]What if Peyton Manning and Tom Brady had traded places - ESPN[/url]


Offenses don't cut it in the playoffs. Defenses do. In the playoffs, the play is more aggressive and defenses tend to shine. Regular season? It's all about the offense and scoring. Post season? It's all about the defense and special teams. It's like the NBA. Defense is a for gone conclusion during regular season, but come playoff time, the refs allow that extra contact and favors those with defenses (why Suns never won) You more likely aren't going deep into the playoffs with a subpar defense in the NFL. That isn't a conspiracy or theory. That is a straight up fact. Research it. (I have)[/quote]

Yea and he threw 50 touchdown passes. You just proved my point.

Offenses and defenses win super bowls. Not just one or the other.

Baltimore's D last year was mediocre, ranked in the low teens, won a super bowl.
Patriots had the 31st defense in the NFL... made the super bowl.
Giants had the 27th defense in the NFL... won the super bowl.
Saints had the 25th ranked defense in the NFL... won the super bowl.

Winning a super bowl is about playing your best on both sides of the ball when the games matter most. You can't win a super bowl with a bad offense that doesn't convert when it needs to. You can't win a super bowl with a bad defense that allows conversions at crucial times. It isn't one or the other.

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[quote=donofriose;1056238]Yea and he threw 50 touchdown passes. You just proved my point.

Offenses and defenses win super bowls. Not just one or the other.

[B]Baltimore's D last year was mediocre, ranked in the low teens, won a super bowl.
Patriots had the 31st defense in the NFL... made the super bowl.
Giants had the 27th defense in the NFL... won the super bowl.
Saints had the 25th ranked defense in the NFL... won the super bowl. [/B]

Winning a super bowl is about playing your best on both sides of the ball when the games matter most. You can't win a super bowl with a bad offense that doesn't convert when it needs to. You can't win a super bowl with a bad defense that allows conversions at crucial times. It isn't one or the other.[/quote]

Give me the PPG allowed on defense please. Defense ranking by yardage means absolutely nothing.

Lmao pussy ass NFL, they are ruining this league f u goodell bitch

SF is just better , Wilson can't beat u passing and they know it.

[QUOTE=budw38;1056235]I agree , they play on diff.teams for diff coaches , are asked to run different schemes . Elite Qb's are going to play at a high level given some talent around them. Lets hope we are talking about RG3 this way in 10 years .[/QUOTE]

He won't be Brady or manning, those guys come every 20-30 years. Nobody in todays league is close to the 2 .

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[quote=NC_Skins;1056239]Give me the PPG allowed on defense please. Defense ranking by yardage means absolutely nothing.[/quote]

Baltimore was 17th last year. 21.5 ppg
New England was 15th in 2011. 21.4 ppg
New York was 25th in 2011. 25.0 ppg
New Orleans was the highest at 7th in 2010. 19.2 ppg.

So 2/3 past super bowl champions had mediocre or worst defenses according to points per game.

Also last year Denver had the 4th ranked defense by points, with the great Manning. One and done.

The 2007 Colts had the best defense in the NFL by PPG with Peyton Manning. One and done.

So I guess having a great D isn't the only factor for Manning and his teams losing in the playoffs.

Both Brady and Manning owe a lot of their success to their teams.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1056242]He won't be Brady or manning, those guys come every 20-30 years. Nobody in todays league is close to the 2 .[/quote]

probably not , as long as he is good enough to help this team win some rings , Im fine .

[QUOTE=budw38;1056244]probably not , as long as he is good enough to help this team win some rings , Im fine .[/QUOTE]

I just want one lol

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1056240]lmao pussy ass nfl, they are ruining this league f u goodell bitch[/quote]

+100

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And people say Wilson never makes plays...

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[quote=donofriose;1056249]And people say Wilson never makes plays...[/quote]

He does....but so did RG3 his rookie year. Wilson is no where a complete QB, he has a awesome D and beast of RB.

[QUOTE=donofriose;1056249]And people say Wilson never makes plays...[/QUOTE]

He can make plays of course , but he can't make the consistent throws to carry the team, IMO griff hasn't shown that either so I'm not just dogging RW

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1056251]He can make plays of course , but he can't make the consistent throws to carry the team, IMO griff hasn't shown that either so I'm not just dogging RW[/quote]

None of the young QB's have been consistent. They all have show potential though.

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What a horrible call.

Sf is getting robbed and Seattle still can't score lol

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SF is the last team that can complain about the refs after the Carolina game.

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Good game. Sf d line is ruling. Ashame Percy harvin is so brittle.

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[quote=donofriose;1056259]SF is the last team that can complain about the refs after the Carolina game.[/quote]I thought the calls balanced out that game, with the most egregious bad call being that helmet hit personal foul on San Fran when Cam Newton was spinning around.

Poor bills fans lol

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Unbelievable throw. Great answer by San Fran