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Hey, at the very least we dodged the Billick/Gruden(Jon)/Cowher bullet. That's a win in my book.

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[quote=Bakerman;1054345]I'm on the fence with Haslett sticking around. As long as they keep Keith Burns as ST coach I'll be happy.:Flush:[/quote]

Speaking of Burns, all this HC, OC, DC talk has made me forget about the fact we don't have a special teams coach either. That'll be an interesting hire. I can't even remember the last time we ran a punt or kick off back for a TD. (During the regular season, none of the Brandon Banks, pre-season garbage)

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A sober hire--so different from our usual drunk dialing. It's either: Shanny- He's so hot I gotta have him. Or: Zorn is the only one left in the bar...

Haslett is a tough call, but it's hard to deny that talent was sorely lacking and Shanny was meddling. If Haz really wanted to run a 4-3 and Shanny said no, then wow.

My guess is that Haz stays because of the TB connections. It's a bit like the Florida Blues Brothers: we're getting the TB band back together!

Glad to have moved forward. (Why do I only feel happy in the off season with this team?!?!?)

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[quote=JWsleep;1054350][B]A sober hire--so different from our usual drunk dialing. It's either: Shanny- He's so hot I gotta have him. Or: Zorn is the only one left in the bar...[/B]Haslett is a tough call, but it's hard to deny that talent was sorely lacking and Shanny was meddling. If Haz really wanted to run a 4-3 and Shanny said no, then wow.

My guess is that Haz stays because of the TB connections. It's a bit like the Florida Blues Brothers: we're getting the TB band back together!

Glad to have moved forward. (Why do I only feel happy in the off season with this team?!?!?)[/quote]

lol brillant

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PS It's going to take time to build the roster. There's just no escaping that. And please build from the inside out and get some real talent in the trenches!

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1054338]Honestly how much can we really blame Haslett. The fact that he was able to do what he did when we won the division in 2012 was nothing short of remarkable, he had no talent to work with. He's shown he can coach defense, $36 million in cap space should help h

I think he can be blamed as much as Shanny. His D gave up so many points so quick it would have been hard for any offense to keep up.

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[quote=JWsleep;1054350]A sober hire--so different from our usual drunk dialing. It's either: Shanny- He's so hot I gotta have him. Or: Zorn is the only one left in the bar...

Haslett is a tough call, but it's hard to deny that talent was sorely lacking and Shanny was meddling. If Haz really wanted to run a 4-3 and Shanny said no, then wow.

My guess is that Haz stays because of the TB connections. It's a bit like the Florida Blues Brothers: we're getting the TB band back together!

Glad to have moved forward. [B] (Why do I only feel happy in the off season with this team?!?!?)[/B][/quote]

Beer goggles. You only wake up once the regular season starts.

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[quote=FRPLG;1054348]Hey, at the very least we dodged the Billick/Gruden(Jon)/Cowher bullet. That's a win in my book.[/quote]

Excellent point.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1054343]Overall his schemes were fine with me (with the exception of how he handles opposing TEs, WTF?!), it was the timing of his play-calls. I hope he at least learned some lessons because it always seemed he would have the least clutch call ever when we needed it the most.

Regardless of how our D works out next year, ALL I ASK is better third down defense. We seemed to be great on first and second only to fold on third no matter how far the down-and-distance.[/quote]

That least clutch call you're talking about, I think, was the product of having no safeties with any skill. Safety is the position that gives you flexibility to make blitz calls. If you have a safety with speed and range, he can cover the space needed to limit big gains in the event the QB beats the blitz.

We just didn't have that, AT ALL. So when Haslett did dial up a blitz he was really taking a risk that our safeties would give up the whole shebang. And in a lot of cases as a result, he had to play cover 2 and let the TE free up the seam. At least with a TE you don't get beat over the top for a TD.

He just had nothing to work with. He has a good attacking scheme and two good edge rushers. He desperately needs safeties, then he'll put together a decent enough defense.

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[quote=FRPLG;1054348]Hey, at the very least we dodged the Billick/Gruden(Jon)/Cowher bullet. That's a win in my book.[/quote]

We just ended that experiment with Shanahan.

I don't see Cowher and Gruden ever coming back, they're making money doing next-to-nothing compared to a head coach and they're comfortable and happy in their new jobs. Billick...I don't think there's a market open for him any more.


If they were candidates:
*Cowher has been out of the game a long time. You also have to consider he coached for a solid organization who supports their coaches long-term. Pittsburgh is a job that's tough to screw up, so his past level of success may not come anywhere else.

*Gruden, was in the right place at the right time a few times. He was good at taking a solid team and getting them over the hump, but we need someone who can rebuild us INTO a solid team. He doesn't have that on his resume. His first year with the Raiders was 8-8 and his debut in TB went 12-4. He would have to work a bit harder for that immediate success here. He was 38-26 in OAKLAND...and in the previous 10 years before he took over there, the Raiders finished under 7-9 only ONE time. They were still respectable then. Tampa Bay...Dungy built that team for him.

*Billlick impressively won the Super Bowl without a QB but he also had a dominant defense. Aside from a few good years in Baltimore, his coaching record is nothing special. Also, a young Randy Moss can make any OC look good. Out of the game since 2007, I think his time has passed.


So I'm saying, the big names are not the ones we needed to pursue. They won Super Bowls, but they were also in very different situations than where we are now. We just tried the "hire a SB-winning coach" route and it failed miserably.

I like the new approach.

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[quote=irish;1054353]

I think he can be blamed as much as Shanny. His D gave up so many points so quick it would have been hard for any offense to keep up.[/quote]

While true, you have to go deeper. Why did he give up all those points?

If you think the reasons why can be fixed, then he's not the primary problem with the defense.

I don't think Haslett is a superstar D coordinator but he's strong enough. I like an attacking turnover inducing style. Dude just really needs some speed at safety and he'll have a fighting chance.

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[quote=Schneed10;1054359]While true, you have to go deeper. Why did he give up all those points?

If you think the reasons why can be fixed, then he's not the primary problem with the defense.

I don't think Haslett is a superstar D coordinator but he's strong enough. I like an attacking turnover inducing style. Dude just really needs some speed at safety and he'll have a fighting chance.[/quote]

And some good Linebackers to cover TEs. We can't keep doing this converted DEs forever. We'll need solid LBs that can over the likes Witten and Graham.

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[quote=Schneed10;1054359]While true, you have to go deeper. Why did he give up all those points?

If you think the reasons why can be fixed, then he's not the primary problem with the defense.

I don't think Haslett is a superstar D coordinator but he's strong enough. I like an attacking turnover inducing style. Dude just really needs some speed at safety and he'll have a fighting chance.[/quote]

True but the same can be argued for the O. If the Shannys had more than 1 threat at WR, more talent on O line, and a healthy QB at the beginning of the season they'd have had much more success.

According to the article in Sunday's WaPo DS also likes exciting D soI suspect I likes Haslett and from what that article says being liked by the owner (no matter how you perform) is paramount at the Park.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1054349]Speaking of Burns, all this HC, OC, DC talk has made me forget about the fact we don't have a special teams coach either. That'll be an interesting hire. I can't even remember the last time we ran a punt or kick off back for a TD. (During the regular season, none of the Brandon Banks, pre-season garbage)[/quote]

Just looked it up (because I have some type of tick when these questions come up that I just HAVE to know):

Last Return for a TD was 2010 game vs Lions (Infamous McNabb benching game) Brandon Banks took a kickoff to the house.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1054284]Haslett is staying? Are you kidding me...... This wreaks of Danny trying to save a buck and throwing him onto Gruden[/quote]

I think it reeks of Bruce Allen trying to save a Buc.

Basically this staff will be Bruce Allen's legacy, for good or bad, it is clear that Allen got who he wanted, and that DS is allowing him the freedom to pick his group.

I would hope that Gruden does get authority to choose his staff, but a radio announcer from ESPN earlier pointed out that even when he went to Cincy as OC he kept nearly all the same staff.

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[quote=Gmanc711;1054241]Sean McVay as offensive coordinator who is TWENTY SEVEN. Holy crap I'm old and unsuccessful.[/quote]My thoughts exactly.

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[quote=Schneed10;1054359]While true, you have to go deeper. Why did he give up all those points?

If you think the reasons why can be fixed, then he's not the primary problem with the defense.

I don't think Haslett is a superstar D coordinator but he's strong enough. I like an attacking turnover inducing style. Dude just really needs some speed at safety and he'll have a fighting chance.[/quote]

Ill just settle for a Linebackers, Safeties and Corners (J Wilson, Biggers) who can tackle

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Same old crap, Gruden was already pencilled in as head coach before the season ended and the interviews were purely for show.

Hate it.

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Could be worse, we could have hired Bobby Petrino!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1054365]I think it reeks of Bruce Allen trying to save a Buc.

Basically this staff will be Bruce Allen's legacy, for good or bad, it is clear that Allen got who he wanted, and that DS is allowing him the freedom to pick his group.

I would hope that Gruden does get authority to choose his staff, but a radio announcer from ESPN earlier pointed out that even when he went to Cincy as OC he kept nearly all the same staff.[/quote]

DS does not allow anyone the freedom to pick anything when it comes to the Skins. He's a total control freak.

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Hire me for Special Teams coach. I'm 44 years old, never played football at any level but I watched football for 34 years and I can't be worse than Burns. I would direct Kai to kick every ball out of bounds. Yep, they have it at the 40 but no TD. I would also get a punter who could directional kick and punt every ball out of bounds as well or thru the end zone. Problem solved. No need for anyone to cover anymore. We have a pretty good Field Goal kicker and all we would practice is blocking for FGs.

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;1054368]My thoughts exactly.[/QUOTE]

Just turned 27 myself

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[quote=irish;1054373]DS does not allow anyone the freedom to pick anything when it comes to the Skins. He's a total control freak.[/quote]

I think he's shown over the past few years that he is more willing to defer to expert opinions.

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[quote=Schneed10;1054359]While true, you have to go deeper. Why did he give up all those points?

If you think the reasons why can be fixed, then he's not the primary problem with the defense.

I don't think Haslett is a superstar D coordinator but he's strong enough. I like an attacking turnover inducing style. Dude just really needs some speed at safety and he'll have a fighting chance.[/quote]Shanny let Landry walk, handed him Brandon Meriweather and was like, "dude, make this work please."

I agree with the masses who wanted a fresh start, but Haslett isn't getting multiple additional years to prove it was all Shanahan's fault. He's basically going to get one.

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Gruden had some leverage, hopefully the coaches are his choice.

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[quote=irish;1054353][QUOTE=Schneed10;1054338]Honestly how much can we really blame Haslett. The fact that he was able to do what he did when we won the division in 2012 was nothing short of remarkable, he had no talent to work with. He's shown he can coach defense, $36 million in cap space should help h

I think he can be blamed as much as Shanny. His D gave up so many points so quick it would have been hard for any offense to keep up.[/quote]

Wow I thought supplanting Kirk cousins for RG3 was the answer.

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[quote=irish;1054373]DS does not allow anyone the freedom to pick anything when it comes to the Skins. He's a total control freak.[/quote]

serious statement? I think DS has shown he gives up control to the people he trusts, ie Gibbs, Cerrato, Shanahan, now Allen. The difference with Allen, I hope, is that DS is now truly one step removed from the football operations. If DS doesn't like the show put on he fires Allen, puts a new GM in place and lets that GM run the football operations. With Gibbs/Cerrato/Shanahan, when the time came to can the coach (or the coach left in Gibbs case) DS was back picking the next coach. There is a maturation of DS at work, and I think this is a positive step in the direction of getting the Skins to be a functional (not dysfunctional) franchise. That doesn't mean Gruden will be the next great coach, but it does mean DS is moving beyond the fan/owner/gm stage to an owner/spectator/signthecheck stage, and that's a good thing.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1054349]Speaking of Burns, all this HC, OC, DC talk has made me forget about the fact we don't have a special teams coach either. That'll be an interesting hire. I can't even remember the last time we ran a punt or kick off back for a TD. (During the regular season, none of the Brandon Banks, pre-season garbage)[/quote]

2010 Brandon Banks vs. the Lions (KR)
2008 Santana Moss vs. the Lions (PR)

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With McVay as OC, will Cooley try to make a comeback?

Normally I'm all for getting younger and faster players but we don't have anyone at TE and Gruden runs a two TE system.

Reed is talented but I don't think anyone can expect him to play more than 10 games next year.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1054384]2010 Brandon Banks vs. the Lions (KR)
2008 Santana Moss vs. the Lions (PR)[/quote]

2006 Antwaan Randel El vs. Colts (PR)



Wait, what? How?

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[quote=Monkeydad;1054386]2006 Antwaan Randel El vs. Colts (PR)



Wait, what? How?[/quote]

I remember that, but I am pretty sure Moss had one too when Devin Thomas (Yep, that gem of a pick) Ran directly into him at the start of it.

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[quote=jamf;1054385]With McVay as OC, will Cooley try to make a comeback?

Normally I'm all for getting younger and faster players but we don't have anyone at TE and Gruden runs a two TE system.

Reed is talented but I don't think anyone can expect him to play more than 10 games next year.[/quote]

1. He had a concussion. That can happen to anyone and coming back is a fight against the doctors and the league office.

2. He was a rookie.

3. He didn't blow a knee or break anything, he got bumped on the head.

4. The season was lost, he was shut down like Griffin to save them for next year.

5. Paulsen is a decent backup.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1054387]I remember that, but I am pretty sure Moss had one too when Devin Thomas (Yep, that gem of a pick) Ran directly into him at the start of it.[/quote]

[YT]pW4JRXC3V2Y[/YT]

Seriously looked like Thomas was trying to tackle him!

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Also, Brandon Tate is a FA, you could sign him cheap to return kicks.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1054303]Went to check on a couple of stories on Washington Post concerning Gruden and come to find out that they've been limiting people to 20 free articles per month since June.

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Granted it seems I can get around it with Incognito mode in Chrome but still the attempt to use paywall as a revenue stream is absurd. In terms of Redskins related news they weren't even in the top 5. It's beyond me how someone can get to an upper management position and not understand basic concepts concerning the internet. All they see is 'x amount of people read us online so if we charge them we'll be rich.' Sorry I know I'm late to this party but the stupidity of some of these companies is enough to drive me insane.

Anyway Jay Gruden. Good hire. Kind of preferred Wisenhunt but certainly not disappointed with JG. Slightly concerned that most of the staff is already in place. A little bit of deja vu from the Zorn train wreck. Would kind of like to see a switch back to the 4-3 but unfortunately we are very short on traditional linebackers right now, a problem which plagued the Eagles for many years after the death of Johnson.[/quote]



I don't know about that I like the idea of Rak with his hand in the dirt he will dominate there, have Rob Jackson and Kerrigan as the OLB's Riley and Robinson in the Middle (or draft Shayne Skov) and then have the pass rush specialist Chris Jenkins out of FSU we drafted last year as the other starting DE or Bowen. Cofield and Jarvis Jenkins would be great 4-3 tackles.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1054389]1. He had a concussion. That can happen to anyone and coming back is a fight against the doctors and the league office.

2. He was a rookie.

3. He didn't blow a knee or break anything, he got bumped on the head.

4. The season was lost, he was shut down like Griffin to save them for next year.

5. Paulsen is a decent backup.[/quote]


1. He missed games with a bruised thigh and other injuries.

2. He was a rookie so we have no proven history with him other than getting injured.

3. True but he doesn't play dinged up and every player gets dinged up. You can't have a part time TE as your go to guy. You have to find a way to play.

4. can't argue with this.

5. He is but this will be a two TE system and I wouldn't want Paulsen to start. He is a horrible blocker and too slow to get downfield.

I wonder what is going to happen with the interior Oline.

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[quote=jamf;1054397]1. He missed games with a bruised thigh and other injuries.

2. He was a rookie so we have no proven history with him other than getting injured.

3. True but he doesn't play dinged up and every player gets dinged up. You can't have a part time te as your go to guy. You have to find a way to play.

4. Can't argue with this.

5. He is but this will be a two te system and i wouldn't want paulsen to start. He is a horrible blocker and too slow to get downfield.

[b]i wonder what is going to happen with the interior oline.[/b][/quote]


walk the plank!

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What is ths fixation with moving back to the 4-3? Why do people believe that's going to magically solve the issue? We've had 4 years now in the 3-4 and our personnel all along has been built to conform to it.

Why not go get some better guys who can play with the system we have?

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[quote=jamf;1054385]With McVay as OC, will Cooley try to make a comeback?

Normally I'm all for getting younger and faster players but we don't have anyone at TE and Gruden runs a two TE system.

Reed is talented but I don't think anyone can expect him to play more than 10 games next year.[/quote]


Cooley for TE coach

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[quote=Coff;1054378]I think he's shown over the past few years that he is more willing to defer to expert opinions.[/quote]

Read the article in Sunday's WaPo and you will see that isnt true. If the experts agree with him then he goes with their opinion if not then he goes with his opinion. 2 examples cited in the article. He wanted to draft Malcom Kelly (the experts had big issues with his health) and the experts wanted Jordy Nelson. You know the rest. Shanny wanted Bulger but DS wanted McNabb who was a bigger more marketable name. Again, you know the rest.

It seems like DS's best PR move has been to get the public to think he's defered to the experts. He hasnt.