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[quote=DynamiteRave;1052198]Since we're cleaning house can we fire the strength and conditioning coach? Look at all these f'ing people on IR!

55 Nick Barnett ILB (IR)
72 Stephen Bowen DE (IR)
19 Dezmon Briscoe WR (IR)
94 Adam Carriker DE (PUP)
20 Richard Crawford CB (IR)
85 Leonard Hankerson WR (IR)
79 Maurice Hurt G/T (IR)
34 Tanard Jackson FS (Susp.)
53 Bryan Kehl ILB (IR)
47 Jeremy Kimbrough ILB (IR)
86 Jordan Reed TE (IR)
52 Keenan Robinson ILB (IR)
22 Evan Royster RB (IR)
57 Nick Sundberg LS (IR)
41 Phillip Thomas SS (IR)
25 Chris Thompson RB (IR)
90 Doug Worthington DE (IR)[/quote]


and fire Niles Paul too!!!

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1052153]This just in. Kyle Orton caught trying on Tony Romo's panty hose.[/quote]

Good one! :laughing2

And they fit nicely, too. I could hardly tell the difference between them.

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[quote=chrisl13;1052128]How much impact do you guys think RG3 had on this decision? The guy left Redskins Park without speaking to the media and hasn't endorsed Shanahan like other players (Reed Doughty, Chris Neild, etc.) have done on twitter and in public.

Can we deem RG3 a "Coach Killer"? I really like the guy but I'm starting to see how he really is. Stubborn and doesn't like to be told what to do.[/quote]

He's doing a conference call right now, he thanked Shanahan for drafting him, said he learned a lot from him, and that he's looking forward to a new year.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1052198]Since we're cleaning house can we fire the strength and conditioning coach? Look at all these f'ing people on IR!

55 Nick Barnett ILB (IR)
72 Stephen Bowen DE (IR)
19 Dezmon Briscoe WR (IR)
94 Adam Carriker DE (PUP)
20 Richard Crawford CB (IR)
85 Leonard Hankerson WR (IR)
79 Maurice Hurt G/T (IR)
34 Tanard Jackson FS (Susp.)
53 Bryan Kehl ILB (IR)
47 Jeremy Kimbrough ILB (IR)
86 Jordan Reed TE (IR)
52 Keenan Robinson ILB (IR)
22 Evan Royster RB (IR)
57 Nick Sundberg LS (IR)
41 Phillip Thomas SS (IR)
25 Chris Thompson RB (IR)
90 Doug Worthington DE (IR)[/quote]

I did not even realize we had that many...wow

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1052198]Since we're cleaning house can we fire the strength and conditioning coach? Look at all these f'ing people on IR!

[B]34 Tanard Jackson FS (Susp.)[/B][/quote]

Did he forget to take away TJ's bong?

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[quote=Chico23231;1052169]One thing Ill take away from this season is the fact Skins knocked out Romo for the season effectively knocking them out the playoffs for a second year in a row[/quote]

Great point! Thanks for the sunshine on a cloudy day.

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[quote=chrisl13;1052128]How much impact do you guys think RG3 had on this decision? The guy left Redskins Park without speaking to the media and hasn't endorsed Shanahan like other players (Reed Doughty, Chris Neild, etc.) have done on twitter and in public.

Can we deem RG3 a "Coach Killer"? I really like the guy but I'm starting to see how he really is. Stubborn and doesn't like to be told what to do.[/quote]

[IMG]http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss141/jimfromctown/Judge-Chamberlain-Haller-from-My-Cousin-Vinny.jpg[/IMG]

You on drugs???

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[quote=HonoluluBlue;1052171]It's become clear to me, and I think to a lot of people, that Shanahan was largely the beneficiary of coaching John Elway in his prime. If it wasn't for that he would have never been as successful as he was. I don't see him finding another job now.[/quote]

This. Elway has had success without Shanny. Shanny is a loser.

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[quote=spAtt;1052205]I did not even realize we had that many...wow[/quote]

Well I counted up all the people on IR

AFC

Bills - 7
Dolphin - 6 (not including Incognitio and Martin)
Pats - 10
Jets - ?

Ravens - 6
Bengals - 11
Browns - 11
Steelers - 12

Texans - 16
Colts - 15
Jags - 14 (not including Blackmon)
Titans - 7

Broncos - 9
Chiefs - 6
Raiders - 8
Chargers - 10

NFC

Cards - 11
Rams - 8
49ers - 11
Seahawks - 11

Falcons - 11
Panthers - 12
Saints - 10
Bucs - 18

Bears - 5
Lions - 9
Packers - 16
Vikes - 8

Cowboys - 9
Giants - 13
Eagles - 5
Redskins - 17


We only lost out to the Bucs. Aw. We can't even win the injury race.

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[quote=44Deezel;1052197]What's a better alternative? You have the 2012 ROY at QB, the league leader in receptions, a 1600 yard rusher, one of the best Left Tackles in the league, a promising young Tight End, a roster that just won the division last year, a division that is the worst in the league, and the best CAP situation in the NFC.

These men aren't babies. They aren't going to be scared off by Snyder. That's an average Joe fan illusion.[/quote]

Or you could look at it this way. You have to work for an owner who pals around w/ the QB, you have two young QB's and don't know if either are the long term future, one of which might be hard to coach, 2-3 starters need to be replaced on the o-line, need another wr or two, TE can't stay on the field, no pass rush, no safties, no MLB and no first round pick. This isn't one of the top jobs anymore. The Lions job is better job than this one.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1052212]Or you could look at it this way. You have to work for an owner who pals around w/ the QB, you have two young QB's and don't know if either are the long term future, one of which might be hard to coach, 2-3 starters need to be replaced on the o-line, need another wr or two, TE can't stay on the field, no pass rush, no safties, no MLB and no first round pick. This isn't one of the top jobs anymore. The Lions job is better job than this one.[/quote]

According to Shannahan.

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- Tied worst record (3-13) in team history (1994).
- Most points allowed in team history (478). Beat previous record by 46 points.
- 4th worst point differential in team history (-144), worst since 1961.
- Longest losing streak (8) in over 50 years.

What a waste of 4 years. Good riddance. F the Shannys.

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you dont go 3-13 in this glorious train wreck fashion without fault at every level from owner to coach to player to ball boy imo.

i personally am not interested in trying to figure out what percent of the FU pie each deserves. they all get to eat shit in my humble opinion.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;1052217]- Tied worst record (3-13) in team history (1994).
- [B]Most points allowed in team history (478). Beat previous record by 46 points.[/B]- 4th worst point differential in team history (-144), worst since 1961.
- Longest losing streak (8) in over 50 years.

What a waste of 4 years. Good riddance. F the Shannys.[/quote]

WTF is Haslett still around? f*ck thats embarressing. Longest losing streak in 50 years. thats terrible

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;1052217]- Tied worst record (3-13) in team history (1994).
- Most points allowed in team history (478). Beat previous record by 46 points.
- 4th worst point differential in team history (-144), worst since 1961.
- Longest losing streak (8) in over 50 years.

What a waste of 4 years. Good riddance. F the Shannys.[/quote]

Wow. Just wow.

Better days ahead.

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[quote=RobH4413;1052188]I tend to disagree with that notion. Shanahan, from a pure coaching perspective (X's and O's, coaching guys to play above their normal threshold, etc) is a fantastic coach.

He calls a good game, plays the odds, and I've always respected his accomplishments on the field in a game. I think where he implodes is on any personnel decisions. That's why they gave him the boot in Denver, and ultimately why he has failed here in D.C.

Either way, he's gone. Good riddance. I'm not excited this go round for out coaching change. Quite frankly, I'm extremely pessimistic. I think there are some good choices out there (Jay Gruden HC, Raheem Morris DC, Hire a true GM), but I simply think we won't do it.[/quote]

I think he showed himself to be an incredibly bad in-game coach for us personally.

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[quote=RobH4413;1052188]I tend to disagree with that notion. Shanahan, from a pure coaching perspective (X's and O's, coaching guys to play above their normal threshold, etc) [B]used to be [/B]a fantastic coach.

[/quote]

Don't worry, I fixed it.

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[quote=44Deezel;1052197]What's a better alternative? You have the 2012 ROY at QB, the league leader in receptions, a 1600 yard rusher, one of the best Left Tackles in the league, a promising young Tight End, a roster that just won the division last year, a division that is the worst in the league, and the best CAP situation in the NFC.

These men aren't babies. They aren't going to be scared off by Snyder. That's an average Joe fan illusion.[/quote]

Not to mention...there are only 32 of these jobs in the world.

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Just for a clean cut update... These coaches have been fired:

Mike Shanahan - HC
Kyle Shanahan - OC
Keith Burns - STC
Matt LaFleur (quarterbacks)
Mike McDaniel (wide receivers)
Bob Slowik (linebackers)
Richmond Flowers (coaching assistant)
Bobby Slowik (defensive assistant)
Larry Coyer (Advanced Scout)


These coaches have not been fired (yet):

Jim Haslett - DC
Raheem Morris - Defensive backs
Sean McVay - Tight ends
Bobby Turner - Running backs
Jacob Burney - D-line
Chris Foerster - O-line

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1052240]Just for a clean cut update... These coaches have been fired:

Mike Shanahan - HC
Kyle Shanahan - OC
Keith Burns - STC
Matt LaFleur (quarterbacks)
Mike McDaniel (wide receivers)
Bob Slowik (linebackers)
Richmond Flowers (coaching assistant)
Bobby Slowik (defensive assistant)
Larry Coyer (Advanced Scout)


These coaches have not been fired (yet):

Jim Haslett - DC
Raheem Morris - Defensive backs
Sean McVay - Tight ends
Bobby Turner - Running backs
Jacob Burney - D-line
Chris Foerster - O-line[/quote]

Great Post!

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Jim Haslett... 2014 Washington Head Coach.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1052198]Since we're cleaning house can we fire the strength and conditioning coach? Look at all these f'ing people on IR!

55 Nick Barnett ILB (IR)
72 Stephen Bowen DE (IR)
19 Dezmon Briscoe WR (IR)
94 Adam Carriker DE (PUP)
20 Richard Crawford CB (IR)
85 Leonard Hankerson WR (IR)
79 Maurice Hurt G/T (IR)
34 Tanard Jackson FS (Susp.)
53 Bryan Kehl ILB (IR)
47 Jeremy Kimbrough ILB (IR)
86 Jordan Reed TE (IR)
52 Keenan Robinson ILB (IR)
22 Evan Royster RB (IR)
57 Nick Sundberg LS (IR)
41 Phillip Thomas SS (IR)
25 Chris Thompson RB (IR)
90 Doug Worthington DE (IR)[/quote]
Our medical staff has been a disaster for YEARS, pre-dating Shanahan. They've never been able to get/keep people healthy it seems, especially muscular injuries.

On Shanahan, as a former supporter of his/theirs, kick rocks. I've never seen a guy make more excuses, or remix the same excuse (salary cap penalty) over and over again.

What he always failed to mention is that the cap penalties happened under HIS watch and HIS direction. He didn't inherit a $36 cap penalty. His actions, either directly or implicitly created that situation.

12 of 34 draft picks under his watch made contributions to the team this year, unexcusable. Of his 2nd and 3rd round picks, (none in 2010, Jenkins & Hankerson in 2011, LeRiebus in 2012, Amerson & Reed in 2013) only one (Reed) is a potential star and he's fragile. Of his 4th round picks (Riley, Helu, Cousins, K. Robinson, P. Thomas) only Riley has shown capable of impacting the game week in and week out. If not for Morris, his late round record would be (still is overall) atrocious.

A lot was made in Bruce Allen's presser about Campbell and Brown being given the chance to succeed with their ideas so I'd love to hear how many of these guys were all Shanny and how many did they also sign off on.

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Dan Snyder was just seen exiting Redskins One with Joe Gibbs.


sorry just had to.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1052240]These coaches have not been fired (yet):

Jim Haslett - DC
Raheem Morris - Defensive backs
Sean McVay - Tight ends
Bobby Turner - Running backs
Jacob Burney - D-line
Chris Foerster - O-line[/quote]Gracias!

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[quote=Paintrain;1052244]Our medical staff has been a disaster for YEARS, pre-dating Shanahan. They've never been able to get/keep people healthy it seems, especially muscular injuries.

On Shanahan, as a former supporter of his/theirs, kick rocks. I've never seen a guy make more excuses, or remix the same excuse (salary cap penalty) over and over again.

[B]What he always failed to mention is that the cap penalties happened under HIS watch and HIS direction. He didn't inherit a $36 cap penalty. His actions, either directly or implicitly created that situation[/B].

12 of 34 draft picks under his watch made contributions to the team this year, unexcusable. Of his 2nd and 3rd round picks, (none in 2010, Jenkins & Hankerson in 2011, LeRiebus in 2012, Amerson & Reed in 2013) only one (Reed) is a potential star and he's fragile. Of his 4th round picks (Riley, Helu, Cousins, K. Robinson, P. Thomas) only Riley has shown capable of impacting the game week in and week out. If not for Morris, his late round record would be (still is overall) atrocious.

A lot was made in Bruce Allen's presser about Campbell and Brown being given the chance to succeed with their ideas so I'd love to hear how many of these guys were all Shanny and how many did they also sign off on.[/quote]

I'm sure Snyder and Allen had their hands in that mess too.

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Shanahan was guilty of some cap infractions in Denver too.

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[quote=Mattyk;1052256]Shanahan was guilty of some cap infractions in Denver too.[/quote]

No shit? Wonder if the punitive measures we saw had more to do with Shanahans history than Skins/Mara etc? Cap infractions seem like a rarity in the NFL, pretty bush league to make a habit of it.

Geez I'm glad it's over. The future looks soooooo bright now.

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Listening to Cooley....he really gives great insight on what's went on here the last four years. Sounds like total dysfunction.

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[quote=Mattyk;1052256]Shanahan was guilty of some cap infractions in Denver too.[/quote]

Actually, that happened at a time before he had full control. I'm quite positive he had no say so on contracts during that time.

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[quote=donofriose;1052243]Jim Haslett... 2014 Washington Head Coach.[/quote]

There is a lot of talk on this right now at some of the other redskins boards. I hope it's not true but it wouldn't surprise me.

What happens to the rooney rule if the skins have already decided that Haslett is the replacement? Do they still have to interview a minority candidate if the replacement is already on staff? I thought i read somewhere that it doesn't apply if the next coach is already on the staff...

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Haz isn't getting the HC job. Come on now.

[QUOTE=HonoluluBlue;1052171]It's become clear to me, and I think to a lot of people, that Shanahan was largely the beneficiary of coaching John Elway in his prime. If it wasn't for that he would have never been as successful as he was. I don't see him finding another job now.[/QUOTE]

I hate Shanny....But In all fairness Elway was at the end of his career when Shanny got there. If it wasnt for the ZBS and Terelle Davis -all of which Shanny bought to the table - Elway would still be ringless.

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[quote=Mattyk;1052270]Haz isn't getting the HC job. Come on now.[/quote]

Yeah that's ridiculous, I wonder why they haven't announced his firing yet though . . . they couldn't possibly be retaining him could they?

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[quote=WillH;1052273]Yeah that's ridiculous, I wonder why they haven't announced his firing yet though . . . they couldn't possible be retaining him could they?[/quote]

I honestly don't think he did that bad of a job given the shit hand he was dealt, and now this talk that Shanny would sometimes undermine him and call defensive plays. :doh:

That said I don't think he'll be here next year. Depending on who they they decide to go with at HC I think he's just an insurance policy.

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Come the hell on people. I have a better chance of getting the HC job of the Redskins than Jim Hasneverbeen.

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[quote=Mattyk;1052275]I honestly don't think he did that bad of a job given the shit hand he was dealt, and now this talk that Shanny would sometimes undermine him and call defensive plays. :doh:

That said I don't think he'll be here next year. Depending on who they they decide to go with at HC I think he's just an insurance policy.[/quote]


What shit hand? Talent, due to Offensive focus lack of draft picks and Cap?

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1052271]I hate Shanny....But In all fairness Elway was at the end of his career when Shanny got there. If it wasnt for the ZBS and Terelle Davis -all of which Shanny bought to the table - Elway would still be ringless.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=Mattyk;1052275]I honestly don't think he did that bad of a job given the shit hand he was dealt, and now this talk that Shanny would sometimes undermine him and call defensive plays. :doh:

That said I don't think he'll be here next year. Depending on who they they decide to go with at HC I think he's just an insurance policy.[/quote]

I thought so too. One thing about Haslett is I thought his timing of certain play calls was TERRIBLE. Never thought he was that bad, but damn, when it should have been the most obvious play call, he'd call the opposite. Also, something about his scheme lets TEs totally eat us up. Basically the middle of the field in front of our LBs is always wide open.

Maybe it's the talent, but I don't remember that being an issue prior to Haslett.

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I just don't see much good in the product Haslett has put out. He haslet people run and pass all over us (hardy har). But seriously, I feel like he has gotten less production out of the talent that he DOES have, than he ought to have. Now certainly, he hasn't had much to work with in certain areas, but I just feel with everything invested in the pass rush we ought to have one by now.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1052261]Listening to Cooley....he really gives great insight on what's went on here the last four years. Sounds like total dysfunction.[/quote]

Can you recap for those of us who didn't hear it?