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[quote=skinsguy;1045343]Well, after last night, anybody who pins this on RGIII is a moron. After last night, I don't ever want to hear anything else out of Pierre Garcon and especially Santana Moss about Robert Griffin III. How much leadership did Moss show last night getting an unsportsmanlike conduct foul? How much leadership did Garcon show dropping passes and fumbling that last pass into the hands of the DB? Or kicking the ball in the stands? Griffin did what he could to make plays. How can he make plays when Chester and Polumbus consistently refuses to block? How do you let someone like Justin Tuck have a free shot to the quarterback? Tuck had 2 1/2 sacks all year before last night. He had 4 sacks in last night's game alone. Don't talk to me about Griffin's inability to read defenses and refusal to go through his progressions. Take a few snaps behind THAT offensive line and tell me how well you're able to go through your reads.

Secondly, I keep hearing people say that Jordan Reed is glass. You know, Art Monk had some injury issues early on in his career. Wound up having a hall of fame career. Reed is going to be something special in this league. He got a freakin' concussion. It's not like he stayed out of the game because his pinky hurts. You deal away Reed and you're no better than Vinny Cerrato. In fact, you're worse. So shut up about Jordan Reed. Seeing Fred Davis consistently drop easy catches should show you why he was deactivated several weeks ago. Davis is trash. Plain and simple. He needs to go, along with Chris Chester and especially Tyler Polumbus. Santana Moss is still capable of making plays, but for every good play he makes, he cancels it out with stupid mistakes or drops. So, sorry Moss, I loved ya a few years ago, but you need to go as well. And Aldrick Robinson. So much speed and elusiveness, but all for nothing if you can't catch the freakin' football.

And finally, the #1 rushing attack in the league, and where did Alfred Morris go in the second half? This has been a constant gripe of mine all season long. Alfred Morris is a play maker. And you go away from him in the second half? WTF Kyle Shanahan? Yes, maybe Roy Helu is faster and more appropriate for the no huddle offense, but in the end, Morris is one of the best rushers in the league. YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR BEST PLAYERS ON THE FIELD! It's not like the 'skins were ever behind by a lot of points. Kyle Shanahan has done this so many times during the season. Morris catches steam the longer the game goes on. Kind of like how John Riggins was back in the glory days. You wear the defense down with a heavy dose of Alfred Morris - THAT is when you crank up the passing. Kyle Shanahan always seems to go away too early from the running game. I just don't understand that all.

I figure most of us are probably in agreement with the defense. The secondary is trash. That's nothing new. It needs to be badly upgraded. I know there was some hate being thrown toward Orakpo this year, but I think it's a mistake to cut him loose. I think you need to keep him around. Adding some depth to that defensive line will improve that front play - and we'll see more of what we expect from Rak and Kerrigan. I don't like Jim Haslett as well and will be very disappointed if he is retained after this season, but I do wonder if Haslett is given an improved secondary and depth on that defensive line, if he would fair better? I fear, though, there are so many issues with that defense that one off season is not going to fix that.

And I don't even want to talk about special teams. They're horrible. 'nuff said.

I just want this freakin' season to hurry up and end. It's a nightmare to say the least.[/quote]
Anyone who pins THIS loss on RG3 is crazy. He played a great game. However, you seem to be brushing with broad strokes. There are games that RG3 has played well and people failed him -- but there are games where he failed the team as well. He's going through the struggles of a young QB. What concerns me, is he seems to have lost the trust/respect of his WRs. Regardless of whoevers fault that is, if it is the case it's bad.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1045361]He's always limping around Matt, cmon we say it every game, I like the guy and hope he's a great player but he's got to stay on the field.[/quote]

Well, as I said in my diatribe posted in this thread, the great Art Monk had some injury issues earlier on in his career, and if any of you guys were around back then (as well as this forum) you all probably would have said the same thing about Monk. You expect Reed to play with a concussion?

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[quote=skinsguy;1045369]Well, as I said in my diatribe posted in this thread, the great Art Monk had some injury issues earlier on in his career, and if any of you guys were around back then (as well as this forum) you all probably would have said the same thing about Monk. You expect Reed to play with a concussion?[/quote]


No I don't but u know what I'm trying to say and unfortunately I was not able to see Monk play, I wish I did though

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1045338] I would target Jonathan Martin (i don't care what people say, he can play),[/quote]

What? You realize he lost his job right? They traded for McKinnie because Martin sucked so bad. Notice this bullshit in Miami didn't go down until he lost his starting position. Besides, I highly doubt the players would want a guy like that in the locker room.

Some media reporter posted a tweet that a current NFL GM told him it would be much easier to bring in Incognito than Martin.


Hell no. Scratch that. Hell Fucking No to Martin on this team.

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"If the NFL Draft were held today, the Rams would have the No. 2 overall pick courtesy of the Washington Redskins." Adam Schefter

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[quote=Mattyk;1045357]Let's set this straight, he missed 14 games last year, other than that he's been a rock in the lineup only missing one other start.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/O/OrakBr99.htm]Brian Orakpo NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url][/quote]

I was a bit off. Played 12 games last year and 2 the year before. More than I thought last year. As NC Skins said. I'd like to have him back, but I'm not paying him top 5 LB money. Probably not top 10.

Edit: Reading comprehension. I was 100% wrong. Sorry. I take back my previous statement.

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Can we give Compton a look at RT these last few games? I've really had enough of Polumbus getting bulldozed.

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[quote=Mattyk;1045377]Can we give Compton a look at RT these last few games? I've really had enough of Polumbus getting bulldozed.[/quote]

You know Ive always thought that was part of our offensive scheme was for Polumbus to get crushed 24/7. You mean we can actually improve at that position?

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Did yall hear last night from Collinsworth that the Skins were thinking of moving Kory L to center and letting McRibeous start at LG this season? But LeRibust came in 60 lbs overweight into camp!!??

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[B]@AdamSchefter

If the NFL Draft were held today, the Rams would have the No. 2 overall pick courtesy of the Washington Redskins[/B]




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[quote=Chico23231;1045381]Did yall hear last night from Collinsworth that the [B]Skins were thinking of moving Kory L to center and letting McRibeous start at LG this season[/B]? But LeRibust came in 60 lbs overweight into camp!!??[/quote]

Yeah not sure how accurate that is.

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I love Jack D

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Yeah when I went to camp I saw LeRibshit not in pads just walking around. He was a fat bastard, by 60 lbs overweight, I dont know about that.

I thought I remember SS saying something about moving Kory L to center possibly.

Dont know, but that statement kinda caught me off guard by Collingsworth.

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Cris was all about the skins last night, it surprised me how much he likes the team

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1045374]"If the NFL Draft were held today, the Rams would have the No. 2 overall pick courtesy of the Washington Redskins." Adam Schefter[/quote]The way we are trending, that might be #1 overall. The silver lining - all of the later picks will be at the top of the round, but we must draft better in rounds 2-3 than the likes of Jarvis Jenkins and Josh LeRibeus.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1045384]I love Jack D[/quote]

Me too , I can't believe I forgot to down some last night !!!!!

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[quote=budw38;1045389]Me too , I can't believe I forgot to down some last night !!!!![/quote]

I drank multiple old no. 7 and ginger. had too after halftime

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[quote=budw38;1045389]Me too , I can't believe I forgot to down some last night !!!!![/quote]

last time I did I was just stupid drunk so I'm taking a break for a while

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I said it long time ago, cut Robinson. I said Hankerson too. You know why? If you are a wide receiver and there are questions about your hands, then you should be cut. Point blank!!

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1045392]I said it long time ago, cut Robinson. I said Hankerson too. You know why? If you are a wide receiver and there are questions about your hands, then you should be cut. Point blank!![/quote]

AR is a 1 route guy

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Rib was definitely in the plans to be a starter by midseason. Did he come in 60 lbs overweight? I don't know, but if he did I'm curious where he is now

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You know, I'm so god damn disgusted, I'm not even looking forward to the off-season with the Rams potentially having a top 3 pick.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1045399]You know, I'm so god damn disgusted, I'm not even looking forward to the off-season with the Rams potentially having a top 3 pick.[/quote]


yeah not having a 1st sucks for sure

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[quote=Daseal;1045367]Anyone who pins THIS loss on RG3 is crazy. He played a great game. However, you seem to be brushing with broad strokes. There are games that RG3 has played well and people failed him -- but there are games where he failed the team as well. He's going through the struggles of a young QB. What concerns me, is he seems to have lost the trust/respect of his WRs. Regardless of whoevers fault that is, if it is the case it's bad.[/quote]

You completely misunderstood my point.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1045399]You know, I'm so god damn disgusted, I'm not even looking forward to the off-season with the Rams potentially having a top 3 pick.[/quote]

I wouldn't say I'm g-d disgusted, more apathetic really, but seeing the Rams get a top 5 pick out of this would make me livid.

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[url=http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/12/the_giants_game_plan_stop_alfred_morris_not_rg3_first.html#incart_river]The Giants game plan? Stop Alfred Morris (not RG3) first | NJ.com[/url]

love when a bad team beats a really bad team and then talks lol

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[quote=mooby;1045402]I wouldn't say I'm g-d disgusted, more apathetic really, but seeing the Rams get a top 5 pick out of this would make me livid.[/quote]

Well, unfortunately it's going to happen, but I wouldn't worry about it too much. What's done is done and I'm not going to concern myself with what the Rams get with the pick.

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Yeah we probably wont win another game folks, rams may get the 1st pick

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1045407]Yeah we probably wont win another game folks, rams may get the 1st pick[/quote]

Who cares? If RG3 was a total bust from day one, then this would be relevant. Otherwise it isn't, unless people just want to gripe for the sake of griping.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1045409]Who cares? If RG3 was a total bust from day one, then this would be relevant. Otherwise it isn't, unless people just want to gripe for the sake of griping.[/quote]


I'm js that we need to get past that draft stuff, it is what it is, and RG3 is still worth it imo

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1045372]No I don't but u know what I'm trying to say and unfortunately I was not able to see Monk play, I wish I did though[/quote]

I understand that you don't want a guy who's going to be injury prone. Nobody does, but all I'm saying is that it's way too early to label Reed injury prone. Probably also way too early to label him as a future big time player, but he seems to be showing those tendencies, and if the guy shows the potential to be great, you don't let him walk because you're worried over a couple of injuries. Sometimes it just takes rookies awhile to get conditioned and toughened up enough to survive the pro level. Reed is definitely a weapon that RGIII needs right now.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1045407]Yeah we probably wont win another game folks, rams may get the 1st pick[/quote]

If the Rams get the #1 pick in the draft, I will drive to DC myself in a Uhaul and throw Mike and Kyle out of DC myself. Danny won't have to do it.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1045412]If the Rams get the #1 pick in the draft, I will drive to DC myself in a Uhaul and throw Mike and Kyle out of DC myself. Danny won't have to do it.[/quote]


Well we r 3-9 and who will we beat?

Maybe ATLANTA and Maybe Dallas or NYG? I don't see more than 1 more win

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1045413]Well we r 3-9 and who will we beat?

Maybe ATLANTA and Maybe Dallas or NYG? I don't see more than 1 more win[/quote]

I could see us beating the Falcons.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1045414]I could see us beating the Falcons.[/quote]


Maybe but they still have a good Offense

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[quote=NC_Skins;1045412]If the Rams get the #1 pick in the draft, I will drive to DC myself in a Uhaul and throw Mike and Kyle out of DC myself. Danny won't have to do it.[/quote]

So this means that you were against the RG3 trade?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1045415]Maybe but they still have a good Offense[/quote]

I don't see us beating the Cowboys and the Chiefs D will obliterate us. So I'm banking on either ATL or the last Giants game.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1045417]I don't see us beating the Cowboys and the Chiefs D will obliterate us. So I'm banking on either ATL or the last Giants game.[/quote]


I actually can see dallas because it's such a tough out for them and Romo chokes in December as we all know

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The draft pick deal is frustrating but people need to let it go. It's over and done and we're not getting the picks back. Just hope RG3 can bring us a SB win or two over the course of his career.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1045416]So this means that you were against the RG3 trade?[/quote]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/46918-redskins-agree-trade-no-2-overall-24.html#post894789[/url]


[quote]MY personal thoughts on this trade. First off, I want to state that I love RGIII as a prospect and wanted him here as our QB.


That said, I think they gave up entirely too much to get him and no doubt Shanahan has put his career at stake with this move. I personally think we weren't at the stage in our rebuild to make a move like this, but we'll see how this plays out over the course of the next 3 years.

My other concern with this move is the expectations and pressure that is going to be heaved on RGIII. Fans are celebrating this as if we've landed a franchise QB, but the reality of it is we haven't. We've landed a very good prospect who hasn't played a single snap of NFL football yet. We can hardly call any rookie a franchise QB until this all plays out.[/quote]

Thought that then, and still think it now. It shows with our talent level.