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[quote=Bucket;1025998]-I want Reed to play more. He was one of the only sure tacklers we had on defense today.

- Amerson/Rambo were missing tackles, and out of position a few times. The one play it looked like we checked off the coverage, and everyone knew it put Amerson. It resulted in a TD pass.

- RG3 is still looking like he's holding back. I can't really explain it, but even on his roll outs he looks a bit slower. It could just be the knee brace preventing him from bursting, but you can see the rust. He was bobbling snaps, faking the wrong way, messing up the play, dancing in the pocket, and overthrowing a lot of WR's today.

- We need to start playing more man coverage. I know a lot of you think this is crazy since you lack faith in our secondary, but with 2 rookies, and a good pass rush. I feel like the best route is to man up and pressure the QB. Most of our touchdowns allowed have been from blown coverages, and I feel like it'll help the rookies out by playing more man.

- A lot of people didn't like Danny Smith, but i'll be damned if we had all these bonehead penalties over and over and over again on special teams when he was here. It seems like we can't even have our special teams on the field without a penalty. Hell, even our onside kick last week had a penalty.

- Oh, and before I forget... Jordan Reed seems to have the best hands on the team this season. The guy catches everything. I wouldn't be surprised to see him take over the starting role by the bye week.[/quote]

Reed Doughty is a great saftey and for some reason I can see him taking off for a pick six against detroit next week

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J Reed has been a bright spot while Davis has not looked himself. I could see an increased role for the guy.

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So far, some of the solutions proposed here are:

1. Fire Shanny.
2. Fire Kyle.
3. Fire Haslett.
4. Sit RGIII.

To those, I'd say no, no, no, and no.

We're 0-2 and we've played horrible football across the board. I feel your pain. Nevertheless, I'm taking the long view and I still believe that the Skins have the right leadership in place, including Bruce Allen, to become a perennial contender in the near future.

Shanny and Bruce have done a lot of things right since they've been with the Redskins. They have drafted well and they haven't missed on many FA signings. Nevertheless, the team has been set back some by losing high draft picks in the trade that got them RGIII and by the unfair cap penalties imposed upon them by the NFL.

During the last two offseasons, other teams have been able to fill holes in FA that the Skins have not been able to fill due to the cap penalties they have endured. But, after this season, the Skins will also be able to fill some more team needs in FA and, after this draft, they will once again have more 1st Round draft picks. I believe that the Skins will select and sign the right people to get better when they have the opportunities do do so..

This organization did the right thing when they traded for the draft pick that got us RGIII. They desperately needed a Franchise QB. RGIII is now recovering from a serious injury and he's limited because of it but his future is very bright. In effect, due to that injury, this is his rookie year as a drop back passer and he is learning on the job. He must play so he can get better as a drop back passer. Ironically, I'm hoping that his unfortunate injury will ultimately turn out to be a good thing for him and for the team.

I believe that staying the course is the right long term answer. But I am not about to give up on this season after only two games. Let's all remember that the Skins won seven games in a row last seaon. If they did that once, they can do it again.

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Everyone is out of sync, they need more time. Shanahan said in the postgame, they need to get back to what they are good at.

The cap penalty was huge, honestly we might have 6-7 different starters right now.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1026003]Everyone is out of sync, they need more time. Shanahan said in the postgame, they need to get back to what they are good at.

The cap penalty was huge, honestly we might have 6-7 different starters right now.[/quote]

That sort of turn over never helped us in the past, no reason to think that the old behavior that didn't work then would start working now.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1025991]Why can't Griffin be compared to Steve young? Or john elway? It gets old comparing race to race, I agree with cam Newton when he said "what's the big deal about black Qbs "[/quote]
[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/54292-redskins-packers-gameday-thread-10.html#post1025647[/URL]

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Washington could not cover or tackle any of the Pack’s five primary receivers. Jones had his 11 catches on just 12 targets, Randall Cobb had nine catches on 10 targets for 128 yards. Jermichael Finley had six catches on seven targets, Starks, four of five, and Jordy Nelson, three of four.

The defensive backfield is atrocious. I'm almost thinking anyone else can take the place of our DBs and do a better job. Even undrafted rookies. Tackling? Forget about it. They need to have the rules changed to 2 hand tag to have a chance. Just leave Reed Doughty in place of Rambo. That's a bust. At least they tried to get a Safety i'll give them credit. They could not have done any worse whatsoever than the above stats.

They let the Packers break the 400 yard passing 100 yard rushing record by 80 yards of cushion in the passing and 50 yards in the rushing record after kneeling 3 times on the Skins 10 yard line. My only hope and I mean only is that the defense was gassed after the offense didn't arrive to the stadium until the 4th quarter to spend some time on the field.

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[quote=CASKINS;1025999]Reed Doughty is a great saftey and for some reason I can see him taking off for a pick six against detroit next week[/quote]

Your delusional!

I find it funny how many fans forget how bad players are after just a few yrs. So let me help remind you.... Doughty is pretty good at SS lining up on the DL and going after the RB or trying to sack the QB, BUT... Doughty sucks in coverage. He can't cover a plate of mashed potato's. TE's always beat him and are too big for him to cover and he fails in the back field covering WR's.

So basically if you want a SS solely for the responsibility of rushing the QB or covering the RB then fine, but Haslett requires the SS not only to do that but to cover WR's and TE's and in some cases switching off with the FS to cover the back field.

I'll give you another example of people easily forgetting. Grossman. I'll never understand why he's on this team still but there are a few fans who seem to love him. He's old, and one dimensional. Remember he was our starting QB once and teams quickly figured out that he can't run so they stack the box to stop the run and force Grossman to beat them through the air. Folks .... that's one dimensional. Grossman failed which is why the team picked up McNabb, which led to the team picking up RG3 and Cousins.

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[quote=Sonny9TD;1026032]Washington could not cover or tackle any of the Pack’s five primary receivers. Jones had his 11 catches on just 12 targets, Randall Cobb had nine catches on 10 targets for 128 yards. Jermichael Finley had six catches on seven targets, Starks, four of five, and Jordy Nelson, three of four.

[B]The defensive backfield is atrocious[/B]. I'm almost thinking anyone else can take the place of our DBs and do a better job. Even undrafted rookies. Tackling? Forget about it. They need to have the rules changed to 2 hand tag to have a chance. Just leave Reed Doughty in place of Rambo. That's a bust. At least they tried to get a Safety i'll give them credit. They could not have done any worse whatsoever than the above stats.

They let the Packers break the 400 yard passing 100 yard rushing record by 80 yards of cushion in the passing and 50 yards in the rushing record after kneeling 3 times on the Skins 10 yard line. My only hope and I mean only is that the defense was gassed after the offense didn't arrive to the stadium until the 4th quarter to spend some time on the field.[/quote]

That pretty much sums it up. But the front 7 should shoulder blame too. We made Starks looks like AP. He had gaping holes to run through.

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[quote=Coff;1026027]That sort of turn over never helped us in the past, no reason to think that the old behavior that didn't work then would start working now.[/quote]

Im not talking about big spending.

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Hey guys, when does the season start?

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^this

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[quote=GTripp0012;1026039]Hey guys, when does the season start?[/quote]

What's great is this division is so terrible, 7-9 could win it.

Philly looked like a joke letting an average team at very best travel across the country to lose at home. Chip Kelly getting outcoached left and right. Cowboys losing a game they should have won, but Reid outcoached them. Dallas refuses to run the ball. Giants could set the turnover record this year and have no running game.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1026039]Hey guys, when does the season start?[/quote]

Just finished up our 6th pre-season game. Season starts next week.

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[quote=Chico23231;1026044]What's great is this division is so terrible, 7-9 could win it.

Philly looked like a joke letting an average team at very best travel across the country to lose at home. Chip Kelly getting outcoached left and right. Cowboys losing a game they should have won, but Reid outcoached them. Dallas refuses to run the ball. Giants could set the turnover record this year and have no running game.[/quote]This is definitely the division to be 0-2 in.

We've been a 7 win per year team in the three years Shanahan has been there. That's the true talent of this team. Two game streaks where we play like a 3-13 team will happen. As will two game streaks where we look like 11-5 and RG3 looks like an MVP. But they'll settle in at 7-9 because that's what they've built.

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[quote=Chico23231;1026044]What's great is this division is so terrible, 7-9 could win it.

Philly looked like a joke letting an average team at very best travel across the country to lose at home. Chip Kelly getting outcoached left and right. Cowboys losing a game they should have won, but Reid outcoached them. Dallas refuses to run the ball. Giants could set the turnover record this year and have no running game.[/quote]

One of the teams will get it straightened out. I thought we would be the one, but after the last two weeks it's hard to say that with any confidence. Detroit/Oakland don't look like piece o'cake wins now (not that any ever do with the Redskins :( )

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[quote=GTripp0012;1026039]Hey guys, when does the season start?[/quote]

Ask Fred Davis. He's still waiting for the first game to start.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1026036]That pretty much sums it up. But the front 7 should shoulder blame too. We made Starks looks like AP. He had gaping holes to run through.[/quote]

Yea no pressure on the QB is a huge factor. You are correct sir.

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[quote=Chico23231;1026044]What's great is this division is so terrible, 7-9 could win it.

Philly looked like a joke letting an average team at very best travel across the country to lose at home. Chip Kelly getting outcoached left and right. Cowboys losing a game they should have won, but Reid outcoached them. Dallas refuses to run the ball. Giants could set the turnover record this year and have no running game.[/quote]

well at least philly and dallas played a competitive game. giants look like we do. terrible.

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yeah only 1 team will get in from the east and if its us we better start a streak now

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[quote=Sonny9TD;1026054]Yea no pressure on the QB is a huge factor. You are correct sir.[/quote]

No pressure, and gaping holes. Again, I just don't get it...

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[quote=skinsfan69;1026056]well at least philly and dallas played a competitive game. giants look like we do. terrible.[/quote]

Right now, Dallas looks like the best of the bunch. I still don't think Philadelphia wins more than 6-7 games... but with the way we look now, we'll be lucky to win 4.

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Here's my take:

We should not panic but there are some serious concerns. I figured the Skins would win their first game and lose to the Packers. My fear was not knowing what the Eagles were going to bring to the table. Fear confirmed.

What I was not expecting is the team having to rushing attack and looking as bad as they do in two first half games.

What's looks to be wrong:

1. RG3
2. Coaching
3. Rookies
4. OL

[B]1. RG3-[/B] I keep hearing RG3 is 100%. But he's not acting like he's 100%. If he is truly 100% then take the damn knee brace off and lets get back to what this team did last year. The reason that won't happen? RG3 is not 100%. He's at about 85 or 90%. Maybe less. The brace supports the knee so it does not wobble and reinjure him. However the brace also limits his movement and slows him down. So the Shanahan's are trying to turn RG3 into a pocket passer now. I'm cool with it. But ... our opponents are not stupid and even I know the team will not put RG3 in a bad position (running) so they stack the box like they used to do to Grossman and stop the run and force RG3 to beat them through the air. Essentially RG3 is now no better then RG1 he's one dimensional.

Solution? draw up more curl routes, quick slants and out routes and with the out routes add some roll outs with the RB blocking for the QB. Get RG3 out of the pocket so he has better vision of the field and no hands blocking his passes. Whatever happened to the flea flicker? No one seems to use it anymore, was it really that bad? Send a speedy WR on a go route, hand the ball off, and then pass it down field. Oh and I might utilize Cousins if this team simply needs a pocket passer. Plus he's worked with the players all camp and preseason. Atleast until RG3 is healthy enough to run the ball on the option again. I'd also cut Grossman and bring back PW and see how he fairs running the option.

[B]2. Coaching-[/B] Abysmal. I always loved Mike Shanahan because he could make some really good in game live adjustments. But the last two games... scripted. No adjustments until after the half. Extremely sad to see. My friend told me the Packers DL was bad. I told him no. The Radio announcers said the DL was great with 3 huge guys to stop the run. It stopped the 49ers run and forced them to beat them through the air. The only open spot was down the middle and the 49ers found it. What did the Redskins do.... tried to force the run all day. Didn't seem to challenge the Rookie back field on go routes or over the middle much. Most of the passes seemed to be with in 20 yrds... RG3 throwing to his check downs.

[B]3. Rookies-[/B] This really is not a bad thing starting Rookies cause it gives them OJT, but with out legit help we are going to see the growing pains. We have a Rookie CB, S, and LB all starting together. The bigger issue is the CB and S. That opens up a whole half of a field for the opponent to work with. Back Hall off the WR and tell him to just cover don't jump the ball, allow the Safety to slide over and double the other WR to give the Rookie CB help. Or I could just be all wrong.

[B]4. OL- [/B] I'm not sure whats going on here. We had one of the best OL's last year. I assumed it would be as good or better but its a big fail. Why? are they being asked to do something different? Personally I think it has everything to do with RG3. If I'm an opponent I can figure out your not going to have your QB who is not 100% running the ball so all I have to do is stack the box all day and rush the QB in hopes of stopping the run while doing so. I'd force the QB to throw the ball and beat me through the air. Two teams have don't just that. How would I counter? design some more screen passes or WR screen passes to slow the DL down. I'd throw in more slant and curl patterns as well as come back routes. Lastly I'd start figuring out how I could roll RG3 out of the pocket and get him away from the rush so he has open field to pass. RG3 does not have to run the coaching staff just needs to adjust for his limitations now.

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Nine wins is the target in the East.

According to the playoff odds reports, Philly is the only team likely to get there.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1026047]This is definitely the division to be 0-2 in.

We've been a 7 win per year team in the three years Shanahan has been there. That's the true talent of this team. Two game streaks where we play like a 3-13 team will happen. As will two game streaks where we look like 11-5 and RG3 looks like an MVP. But they'll settle in at 7-9 because that's what they've built.[/quote]

Well the ghost of piss poor Snyder/Vinny management still haunts this team.

Do you honestly think Fletcher, Polumbus, D Hall and Josh Wilson would be starting on this team if we actually had cap space?

It's a 18 million per year handicap for the most over rated defensive player all-time, Albert Hanyesworth.

It hasnt been an easy build, with no draft picks and cap penalties.

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It's really too early for playoff odd predictors. Bottomline is some team is going to have to get on a roll, and stay healthy. Philly's time of possession yesterday was 20 min to SD 40. Their defense won't last at that rate, and regardless of our offensive struggles, isn't that good to begin with. I really doubt Philly will be in the mix at the end.

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I understand the worry for RG3 but did most of you know he has a higher QB rating so far than Brees and Kaepernick?

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I f i had to bet I'd say Dallas gets in at 9-7 and we finish 8-8

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Fred Smoot was asked after the game what our record was going to be this season and he said 6-10. They went through each weeks game. Honestly, I agreed with him.

If nothing changes across the board.

Detroit- Loss
Raiders- Win
Bye
Cowboys- Loss
Bears - Win?
Bronco's- Loss
Chargers- Win?
Vikings- Loss
Eagles- Win
49ers- Loss
Giants- Win
Chiefs- Loss
Falcons- Loss
Cowboys- Win
Giants- Loss

You could flip the Chargers game with the Chiefs if you want or we could lose both who knows.

The team needs to cut Meriweather. He has been doing nothing but collecting a paycheck. First year knee injury, second year knee injury, now concussion. It's time to move on and look to see who else is available on the open market.

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[quote=Chico23231;1026063]Well the ghost of piss poor Snyder/Vinny management still haunts this team.

Do you honestly think Fletcher, Polumbus, D Hall and Josh Wilson would be starting on this team if we actually had cap space?

It's a 18 million per year handicap for the most over rated defensive player all-time, Albert Hanyesworth.

It hasnt been an easy build, with no draft picks and cap penalties.[/quote]Heres the thing though: those guys are the biggest cap hits. It has nothing to do with cap space, those are the veterans who we've chosen to lead this team. If we had not chosen those vets, we would instead have available cap space to bring in others.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1026065]I understand the worry for RG3 but did most of you know he has a higher QB rating so far than Brees and Kaepernick?[/quote]

Junk numbers late in the game are the only reason he has a QB rating over 50.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1026065]I understand the worry for RG3 but did most of you know he has a higher QB rating so far than Brees and Kaepernick?[/quote]

If there was ever a time when stats don't tell the story it's RG3's first two games. Right now, RG3 is a good fantasy QB, that's about it. When the game was competitive, and we needed first downs in the first half, he could not deliver, he could not keep up with Aaron Rodgers.

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^ maybe but whats the excuse for Drew Brees so far?

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[quote=GTripp0012;1026061]Nine wins is the target in the East.

According to the playoff odds reports, Philly is the only team likely to get there.[/quote]

And BTW....I think Aaron Rodgers is still as good as ever.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1026071]If there was ever a time when stats don't tell the story it's RG3's first two games. Right now, RG3 is a good fantasy QB, that's about it. When the game was competitive, and we needed first downs in the first half, he could not deliver, [B]he could not keep up with Aaron Rodgers[/B].[/quote]


Honestly though other than Manning right now who can?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1026073]And BTW....I think Aaron Rodgers is still as good as ever.[/quote]He was excellent yesterday.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1026072]^ maybe but whats the excuse for Drew Brees so far?[/quote]

Haven't seen their games. But we don't really need to compare the two. Brees has a resume that speaks for itself.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1026074]Honestly though other than Manning right now who can?[/quote]

Honestly, I was expecting RG3 to play a game similar to what Colin K. did last week. GB does not have a good defense and we could not get a first down or score til the game was out of hand. Our offense is pitiful right now and the defense is even worse.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1026068]Heres the thing though: those guys are the biggest cap hits. It has nothing to do with cap space, those are the veterans who we've chosen to lead this team. If we had not chosen those vets, we would instead have available cap space to bring in others.[/quote]

Right, but I easily believe Shanny and Bruce would take that 18 mil per and use it wisely to bring in talent at RT, ILB, CB and Saftey. They made choices based on their situation. I dont think the difference would be that great with who they have vs market available at similar price. Issues would still remain imo. With out the cap penalty those I listed above would not be here this year imo.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1026036]That pretty much sums it up. But the front 7 should shoulder blame too. We made Starks looks like AP. He had gaping holes to run through.[/quote]

By time that started happening it looked like the defense were either gassed or gave up. I think that was right around the 3rd start of the 3rd quarter.