[QUOTE=SkinsGuru;987145]Thank you!! i have been saying this over and over . . . seems nobody thinks RGIII learned anything from the Atlanta game because he got hurt in the Baltimore game . . . the way he got hurt against the ravens could just as easily have happened to a standard pocket passer as it did to him . . . i too have noticed that he slides earlier and heads out of bounds quicker . . . and love the big game go for it attitude which will be necessary at many points during his career (well hopefully we are in big situations, i believe we will be in many)[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure he learned anything,the coaches sure didnt
Sometimes he's smart,other times not so much
Go back and watch his very first run against Seattle,he turned upfield and his leg swings around in the air EXACTLY like in ravens game,only difference is he was lucky no one hit it in the air this time(well it turned out not to matter since he messed it up later)
I just hope hes learned to pull himself out next time because the coaches sure aren't smart enough

Re: RGIII undergoing total reconstructive surgery: out 6-8 months
 

[quote=44ever;987144]No disrespect but, you don't really expect RG3 back "a couple of games into the season" do you? Please don't do that to yourself. RG3 will be extremely lucky to play by mid November.

Kirk Cousins will be the starter for most or all of 2013. If RG3 was a simple drop back pass type of QB, ((maybe)) he could play by seasons end, but even then I highly doubt it.

There is no way Redskins make the same mistake twice... Even with Doc Andrews pep talking us.[/quote]

Right now it's just too early to tell but I agree. RG3 was suppose to be getting better this offseasonn, working on his craft. Now that time will be spent doing rehab on a knee that's now been cut up twice. This is not going to be an AP type of recovery. I think Cousins starts more than a couple of games.

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From the Doc.

"Robert Griffin III had successful knee surgery early this morning. He had a direct repair of his LCL and a re-do of his previous ACL reconstruction. We expect a full recovery and it is everybody's hope and belief that due to Robert's high motivation, he will be ready for the 2013 season.

"The goal of his treatment is to give him the best opportunity for a long professional career."

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[quote=Monkeydad;987149][B]In college, he threw for 78 TDs and only 17 INTs, 67.1% in basically 3 seasons. His senior year, 72.4% passing with 37 TDs and 6 INTs.

I think he realizes he can throw the ball. Those sounds like the stats of a pass-first QB to me too. Of course he did run for 33 more TDs, but he can succeed in the NFL even if he can't run at all.[/B]

Do you know he even punted 4 times for a 40-yard average with a long of 59 yards?

He caught 3 passes too.

He can do anything and everything.[/quote]

But what he ran in college was read the first guy, if not open then run. The times when he stood in the pocket were when teams made the effort to contain the pocket over applying a pash rush. Although he could still do read options against them.

Will RG3 ever learn to stand there when the first guy isnt open going through his progressions until he throws the ball away? Or will he always read until the rush gets close and start running?

I would rather RG3 throw it away instead of constantly trying to run when the pocket collapses. That doesnt mean he shouldnt extend a play if an opening is there. But he still needs to realize that he needs to throw the ball away if the receivers are still not open (Or quickly just grab 5 or 10 yards, which he was better at later in the season except one play... but thats all it takes). He knows what his legs are capable of on any given play. In college, thats fine. In the NFL, not so much.

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[quote=firstdown;987174]From the Doc.

"Robert Griffin III had successful knee surgery early this morning. He had a direct repair of his LCL and a re-do of his previous ACL reconstruction. We expect a full recovery and it is everybody's hope and belief that due to Robert's high motivation, he will be ready for the 2013 season.

"The goal of his treatment is to give him the best opportunity for a long professional career."[/quote]

Notice how he doesn't say "[B]The start[/B] of the 2013 season" he just says "the 2013 season"

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[quote=CultBrennan59;987188]Notice how he doesn't say "[B]The start[/B] of the 2013 season" he just says "the 2013 season"[/quote]so, you think he meant preseason? :smashfrea [COLOR="White"]i know you meant after the start of the season[/COLOR]

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[quote=los panda;987192]so, you think he meant preseason? :smashfrea [COLOR="White"]i know you meant after the start of the season[/COLOR][/quote]

Nah probably Mini-camp.

[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;987200]Nah probably Mini-camp.[/QUOTE]

League year starts June 1st. That's clearly what he meant.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;987203]League year starts June 1st. That's clearly what he meant.[/quote]

Sorry did I say mini-camp? I meant OTA's. In fact I'm pretty sure he's running wind sprints right now with a parachute strapped to him.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;987205]Sorry did I say mini-camp? I meant OTA's. In fact I'm pretty sure he's running wind sprints right now with a parachute strapped to him.[/quote]

would not be suprised if we see that by camp

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Bigger picture is that our franchise QB is now becoming Michael Vick and not Aaron Rodgers. Only one season and a concussion, LCL strain and then ACL tear. The concern in my mind is that he and the coaching staff still refuse to admit his risk of injury with his current style of play.

I fear that this means he'll have 8-10 years of 12-14 game seasons, and hopefully a lucky one or two where he stays healthy long enough for the postseason to take us deep & maybe to the Super Bowl.


He's smart, so maybe he could change his game and finally start throwing passes away & sliding to avoid contact. But I fear his competitive spirit will drag down his career unless Shanahan finds a way to limit his injuries.

Our franchise needs consistency than an isolated great year or two. One good year can get you to the first round of the playoffs, but a consistently good team eventually will win it all several times.

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[quote=ethat001;987222]Bigger picture is that our franchise QB is now becoming Michael Vick and not Aaron Rodgers. Only one season and a concussion, LCL strain and then ACL tear. The concern in my mind is that he and the coaching staff still refuse to admit his risk of injury with his current style of play.[/quote]

It's funny you should mention Aaron Rodgers. If you recall Rodgers was the least durable QB ever when he started his career. Broke his foot in cleanup duty for Favre in 2006 and missed the rest of the season. The season after that he was inactive for 4 or 5 games due to a hamstring injury, still while being Favres backup. Then in 2010 Jeremy Jarmon gave him a concussion while pulling back on a hit.

He is now the most sacked QB in the game (8 sack first half vs Seattle on MNF anyone?) and yet he's remained reliable.

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/7200/injuries.html]SI.com - NFL - Aaron*Rodgers Injuries[/url]

All I'm saying is RG3 can ironically get more durable as time goes on, as he learns to protect himself while getting more and more used to the hits.

People stop with the Vick crap good lord that's annoying.

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[B]Chris Russell ‏@Russellmania980

Heard back from Dr. Andrews via text on RG III - as he did on Tuesday & now again Wednesday - he says the #Redskins will not let him talk. [/B]


Not surprised by this.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;987188]Notice how he doesn't say "[B]The start[/B] of the 2013 season" he just says "the 2013 season"[/quote]

Your right and further, reading it carefully, it doesn't say that the doctor himself believes he will be ready for 2013.

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[quote=NC_Skins;987239][B]Chris Russell ‏@Russellmania980

Heard back from Dr. Andrews via text on RG III - as he did on Tuesday & now again Wednesday - he says the #Redskins will not let him talk. [/B]


Not surprised by this.[/quote]

Why should they let him talk? It's not his place.

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;987242]Why should they let him talk? It's not his place.[/QUOTE]

Because he wants to be superstar doctor that's y. Do ur job don't worry about the media geez. I swear this kids knee is more talked about than the president these days.

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I'm kind of surprised they're allowed to talk at all, pretty freely most of the time. Can you imagine if your medical information was plastered all over the news?

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He's not talking because if he tells the truth, heads will roll... Smart not to say a word at this point.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;987238]People stop with the Vick crap good lord that's annoying.[/quote]


Annoying maybe. However, give me a name of another QB that averages the same # of rushes per game? Maybe Cam Newton...

The fact is, there is a reason RBs have such a short life span in the NFL, because of the weekly beating their bodies take. It is only logical to assume that QBs who run more (notice I didn't say "running QBs") would likewise have a shorter NFL life span than QBs who don't.

RGIII obviously has more talent than Vick (IMO), but it is possible that we won't get to enjoy it for long if they don't curtail the pace at which he rushes the ball. Which pisses me off, because I want them to use that part of his game - as much as or more than they did this year...His body may not hold up though.

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;987188]Notice how he doesn't say "[B]The start[/B] of the 2013 season" he just says "the 2013 season"[/QUOTE]

2013 season implies entirety. Ready for the 2013 season means ready for the 2013 season imo, not ready for part of it. He even prefaces it by saying everybody is "hoping", etc. If he meant part of the season i dont think he would be so dramatic because I dont think anybody is questioning whether he will be back at SOME point during the 2013 season.
Edit: im not saying its out of the question that he misses time, just that i dont believe he was mincing his words. Thats all.

[QUOTE=RobH4413;986923]PUP him at the beginning of the year- reevaluate after 6 weeks. I'm leaning towards just having him take the year off at this point- Just because I don't trust Shanahan in handling his gradual return. He's not going to be conservative in a rehab strategy.

I'm all for drafting another QB, start Cousins, and we're still better off knowing we have our guy for 2014. Hell of a lot better than this Franchise has been the past 15 or so years.

Obviously... we can only speculate at this point....which is annoying. Just hope this is handled properly and we can get our guy back on his feet, healthy, and fresh.

I still think we can go 9-7 with Cousins at the helm. We have a great foundation of youth moving forward, and we're only going to get younger.[/QUOTE]

We arent drafting another qb. No way. Sexy will back up KC if need be.

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[quote=punch it in;987261]We arent drafting another qb. No way. Sexy will back up KC if need be.[/quote]

Or you sign Dennis Dixon or Troy Smith to Back up KC....Sounds crazy right? Well with these two (NO they arent RGIII I get that) you don't exactly have to lose the read option.

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[quote=44ever;987251]He's not talking because if he tells the truth, heads will roll... Smart not to say a word at this point.[/quote]

Why would heads roll?

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Well in anycase We are gonna find out what kinda player he really is I personally hope to see him jumping hurdles by May

[QUOTE=CASKINS;987268]Or you sign Dennis Dixon or Troy Smith to Back up KC....Sounds crazy right? Well with these two (NO they arent RGIII I get that) you don't exactly have to lose the read option.[/QUOTE]

If either one was a threat to throw the ball - maybe. I mean you are rite - they arent RG-3. They are one trick ponies that defenses will key on easily. So - no. Let KC run a more traditional offense if need be.

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[quote=punch it in;987275]If either one was a threat to throw the ball - maybe. I mean you are rite - they arent RG-3. They are one trick ponies that defenses will key on easily. So - no. Let KC run a more traditional offense if need be.[/quote]

Troy Smith passed for 356 yards in a game hardly a one trick pony just never got a good chance and when he did bad coaching makes for bad decisions...

lol hey he does have a higher passer rating than Rex. I'm just being wishful haha

[QUOTE=CASKINS;987276]Troy Smith passed for 356 yards in a game hardly a one trick pony just never got a good chance and when he did bad coaching makes for bad decisions...

lol hey he does have a higher passer rating than Rex. I'm just being wishful haha[/QUOTE]

We could always explore Vick as an option. Lol
Whats Vince Youg up too?

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[quote=punch it in;987278]We could always explore Vick as an option. Lol
Whats Vince Youg up too?[/quote]

Too expensive :P hahahah eh what the hell Dan's got the money

Tajh Boyd? HEHEHE Dude these would all Be possibilities if vinny were GM haha

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relax..........................

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Troy Smith never did get a real chance in the NFL. Having watched him during his time at OSU, he did have some real talent that was never correctly used in the NFL.

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[quote=punch it in;987259]2013 season implies entirety. Ready for the 2013 season means ready for the 2013 season imo, not ready for part of it. He even prefaces it by saying everybody is "hoping", etc. If he meant part of the season i dont think he would be so dramatic because I dont think anybody is questioning whether he will be back at SOME point during the 2013 season.
Edit: im not saying its out of the question that he misses time, just that i dont believe he was mincing his words. Thats all.[/quote]

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/sportsnetWashington/search/v/69610201/dr-ben-shaffer-explains-rg3-s-knee-injury.htm]Dr. Ben Shaffer explains RG3's knee injury[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;987111]I just want to report that the surgery with Robert this morning went wonderful. My mate Dr. Andrews had some trouble with the Davinci machine at first, but he was golden after I gave him a rundown on how to operate it. As with any patient confidentiality statement, I cannot comment on the actual damage to the Robert's knee, but I'm sure the Redskins PR staff will be along shortly to blow smoke up the fanbase's ass to keep them from bailing next season.


[IMG]http://www.mylivesignature.com/signatures/54491/42/88DD17F2F7940FCA698E4733DD9FBFA2.png[/IMG]
(warpath MD)[/quote]

That's all wrong. Invasive surgery is unnecessary. All we have to do is adjust the lumbar support and supplement the patient with assorted Chinese herbs to assist in healing. After that the acl will practically heal itself. Should take no less then 40 sessions.


Dirtbag59
Warpath Chief Orthropedic DDC
Healing Institute
Sigma Cum Laude North Singapore Chiropractic Institute

Re: RGIII undergoing total reconstructive surgery: out 6-8 months
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;987306]That's all wrong. Invasive surgery is unnecessary. All we have to do is adjust the lumbar support and supplement the patient with assorted Chinese herbs to assist in healing. After that the acl will practically heal itself. Should take no less then 40 sessions.


Dirtbag59
Warpath Chief Orthropedic DDC
Healing InstituteSigma Cum Laude North Singapore Chiropractic Institute[/quote]


F that.


Just take a multivitamin and lift heavy, Robert.


M.D. stands for Monkeydad

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[quote=skinsfaninok;987243]Because he wants to be superstar doctor that's y. Do ur job don't worry about the media geez. I swear this kids knee is more talked about than the president these days.[/quote]

He's already a susperstar doctor. That's why anyone who's anyone goes to him for this kind of surgery.

Re: RGIII undergoing total reconstructive surgery: out 6-8 months
 

[quote=punch it in;987259]2013 season implies entirety. Ready for the 2013 season means ready for the 2013 season imo, not ready for part of it. He even prefaces it by saying everybody is "hoping", etc. If he meant part of the season i dont think he would be so dramatic because I dont think anybody is questioning whether he will be back at SOME point during the 2013 season.
Edit: im not saying its out of the question that he misses time, just that i dont believe he was mincing his words. Thats all.[/quote]

semantics shemantics. There is not point in fiddle fattling over a couple of words this far out. They don't even know how the rehab will go. Any number of variables could happen between now and then.

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[quote=irish;987315]He's already a susperstar doctor. That's why anyone who's anyone goes to him for this kind of surgery.[/quote]

That's true. I've known about Dr. James Andrews for years and year....big time doctor that has operated on many WWE wrestlers.

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[quote=los panda;987192]so, you think he meant preseason? :smashfrea [COLOR="White"]i know you meant after the start of the season[/COLOR][/quote]

I'm referring to the start of the regular season which is what reports have been saying. Redskins worded this very brief and carefully as you can tell.

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[quote=irish;987315]He's already a susperstar doctor. That's why anyone who's anyone goes to him for this kind of surgery.[/quote]

Yeah this guy is the reason Hulk Hogan was able to move around the ring for so long...He operates on alot of pro wrestlers.

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[quote=CASKINS;987393]Yeah this guy is the reason Hulk Hogan was able to move around the ring for so long...He operates on alot of pro wrestlers.[/quote]

He's also worked with Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Albert Pujols, Michael Jordan, Jack Nicklaus, Emmitt Smith, and Bo Jackson.