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[quote=GTripp0012;954985]Look, it's someone's fault that Madieu Williams is a significant part of our defense. Obviously, the issues the secondary is having were preventable at some point.

For the future, it's going to have to be a point of emphasis in the draft. There's not a whole lot we can do until then except enjoy the shootouts and hope not to turn the ball over four times next game.[/quote]

Me and Gtripp agree on this. Secondary will obviously be a point of emphasis in the offseason, but we are just going to have to live with it until the end of the season.

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[quote=FRPLG;954993]Did anyone actually think we didn't have a legit shot to win that game at the end? We're close to being a good team. We lost to a definitely good team today and didn't play our best. Considering we all had pretty modest expectations I can't get too down.[/quote]

I did. But given we had four turnovers and countless penalties today, I guess I shouldn't of had such lofty expectations.

edit: Oh I totally read your post wrong. Thought you said DID. Not didn't.

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[quote=Bucket;954968]How's that bad coaching? He called a over man double team. Do you want Haslett to step on to the field and hold Williams hips and show him where to line up pre-snap too?[/quote]

The play call was one of the problems.
Because we were up by 3 and there was what (?) less than 2 minutes left in the game AND it was 3rd and 10. We decide to play tight play man with our safety's playing shallow and moving forward? That goes against everything taught in Defense 101 in that situation.
In that situation the coaches should have told their safety's 'your first steps after the snap is backwards (towards your endzone) then react. Williams fist steps after the snap were forward and to the left. (I sound like Kramer on the spitter episode of Seinfeld.) When your safety's first steps on an obvious pass play are backwards you are less likely to get beat deep. Obviously we would have rather given up a short completion underneath then an easy TD. Our safety's were (1) out of position and (2) running the wrong way.

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[quote=mooby;954996]Me and Gtripp agree on this. Secondary will obviously be a point of emphasis in the offseason, but we are just going to have to live with it until the end of the season.[/quote]

Agreed. The best thing to do atleast is bench Williams is has clearly never been the same since his cincy days and for us to maybe sign some vet safeties in FA or young guys to come in and play. Seems to me we just are horrible at safety and Meriweather is still a question mark.

At this point we best off firing Haz and go ahead and give Raheem the keys to see what he got .

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I'm really starting to get sick and tired of the defense blowing leads. The Redskins would be 7-0 or 6-1 if it weren't for their bs secondary.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;955003]I'm really starting to get sick and tired of the defense blowing leads. The Redskins would be 7-0 or 6-1 if it weren't for their bs secondary.[/quote]

Because of this defense we might end up 6-10 or 7-9 when cut clearly we could be like 5-1 right now and finish 11-5 or 10-6. Our T.O isnt that bad except for today .

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;955003]I'm really starting to get sick and tired of the defense blowing leads. The Redskins would be 7-0 or 6-1 if it weren't for their bs secondary.[/QUOTE]

It just our luck, we finally get a offense and now we have no d

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[quote=Deivybaby;955000]Agreed. The best thing to do atleast is bench Williams is has clearly never been the same since his cincy days and for us to maybe sign some vet safeties in FA or young guys to come in and play. Seems to me we just are horrible at safety and Meriweather is still a question mark.

At this point we best off firing Haz and go ahead and give Raheem the keys to see what he got .[/quote]

Lol. It's funny because I disagree with nearly everything you say after you said you agreed. There isn't anybody who we can sign at this point that's going to step right in and be a consistently good player at this point in the season. If we sign somebody now by the time they learn the playbook the season will be over/nearly over.

We're just going to have to ride it out. The best I'm hoping for at this point is that when Meriweather comes back we can take Williams out of the lineup, but with DeJon Gomes getting injured (and not playing good when in the lineup) obviously we are going to have to be content with Doughty at SS. But who knows? Meriweather might stink up the joint too. Long story short, I'm in "riding it out" mode.

And I'm definitely not a fan of abandoning Haslett at this point in time. Morris is a 4-3 defensive coordinator with no experience running a 3-4, and as we have seen plenty of times in the past (read: Billy Cundiff, Rex Grossman, and most definitely John Beck) we should know by now the grass is most definitely not always greener on the other side.

The fact that we had a chance to win this game after turning the ball over on 3 consecutive drives should tell you a lot about this team. We need to ride it out, hopefully get a supposedly average/decent guy like Meriweather back from injury, and hope for the best.

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Our Front Office is much improved, but like anything and anyone else they are not perfect. We have shitty safety's because we blew our $ wad on WR's. Two Wr's that up to now have done little. We can lay all the blame on the defense coaches and players, but some of this lands on the CHOICE our FO and coaches made to go all out on the offense and leave the critical deep secondary with retreads, has beens and unproven players.

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Turnovers killed us. No need to look much further for the reason why we lost.

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[quote=Mattyk;955011]Turnovers killed us. No need to look much further for the reason why we lost.[/quote]

Jesus! A voice of reason! I was under the impression the inmates were running the asylum right now.

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[quote=Defensewins;955009]Our Front Office is much improved, but like anything and anyone else they are not perfect. We have shitty safety's because we blew our $ wad on WR's. [/quote]


What FA safety was there out there? We had our target on Courtland Finnegan, but the salary cap penalty ****ed us.


The biggest mistake I think previous regimes ever made was allowing Ryan Clark to walk. (trading champ bailey equal to this)

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[quote=mooby;955008]Lol. It's funny because I disagree with nearly everything you say after you said you agreed. There isn't anybody who we can sign at this point that's going to step right in and be a consistently good player at this point in the season. If we sign somebody now by the time they learn the playbook the season will be over/nearly over.

We're just going to have to ride it out. The best I'm hoping for at this point is that when Meriweather comes back we can take Williams out of the lineup, but with DeJon Gomes getting injured (and not playing good when in the lineup) obviously we are going to have to be content with Doughty at SS. But who knows? Meriweather might stink up the joint too. Long story short, I'm in "riding it out" mode.

And I'm definitely not a fan of abandoning Haslett at this point in time. Morris is a 4-3 defensive coordinator with no experience running a 3-4, and as we have seen plenty of times in the past (read: Billy Cundiff, Rex Grossman, and most definitely John Beck) we should know by now the grass is most definitely not always greener on the other side.

The fact that we had a chance to win this game after turning the ball over on 3 consecutive drives should tell you a lot about this team. We need to ride it out, hopefully get a supposedly average/decent guy like Meriweather back from injury, and hope for the best.[/quote]

I don't think Morris is bad though. He's working with a bunch of chumps, mostly. We do need to get some 3-4 specialists though in regards to the defense. After the season's over of course.

And I'm telling you, we can throw Chris Horton back there. :woot:

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[quote=Mattyk;955011]Turnovers killed us. No need to look much further for the reason why we lost.[/quote]

This is the bottom line. You aren't going to win really any games with 4 turnovers in the NFL (hardly on any level actually). I think we are really fortunate that Eli was off today or this game wouldn't have been as close as it was.

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We did alot.better last year with Landry and otogwe... i.dunno albeit merriweather is supposed to be in and tanard showed promise before suspension.... i think we should have kept our safties... seriously

[QUOTE=Meks;955018]We did alot.better last year with Landry and otogwe... i.dunno albeit merriweather is supposed to be in and tanard showed promise before suspension.... i think we should have kept our safties... seriously[/QUOTE]

Idk I mean landry got beat a lot last year and OJA sucks too. Toss up

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Both faster than williams and not sure they blow that one.... but hey if ifs and buts were candys and nuts....

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Just to summarize the thoughts of this board after today's loss in which the offense turned the ball over 4 times:

We should fire Jim Haslett & promote Raheem Morris
Sign Bob Sanders so we can bench Madieu Williams
Should've cut Logan Paulsen instead of Cooley (after Paulsen had a good game playing in relief of Fred D.)

Not going to name names but come on people. :doh:

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The game should really be 24-20 Skins or at the least 24-23 Skins. The giants didn't really make that rushing td second to last. The RBs hips were down and video shows it and the ball was at the 2 yrd line. It never should have been given to them. I still don't know what part of the play was inconclusive cause it was clearly seen on the replay I watched.

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[quote=Meks;955018]We did alot.better last year with Landry and otogwe... i.dunno albeit merriweather is supposed to be in and tanard showed promise before suspension.... i think we should have kept our safties... seriously[/quote]


How so? Both were on the bench the majority of the time.

[QUOTE=mooby;955022]Just to summarize the thoughts of this board after today's loss in which the offense turned the ball over 4 times:

We should fire Jim Haslett & promote Raheem Morris
Sign Bob Sanders so we can bench Madieu Williams
Should've cut Logan Paulsen instead of Cooley (after Paulsen had a good game playing in relief of Fred D.)

Not going to name names but come on people. :doh:[/QUOTE]

If anyone thinks the 4 tos were not a factor they don't know football. Obviously that killed us but again no excuse to give up a 80 yd td pass on 3rd and long period

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;955003]I'm really starting to get sick and tired of the defense blowing leads. The Redskins would be 7-0 or 6-1 if it weren't for their bs secondary.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but if we used picks and free agent moves on the secondary some other aspect would of our team would be shitting the bed. I dont think haslett is a good dc and i especially dont think so when we have to scheme great to cover up for the second rate players.


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[QUOTE=Mattyk;955011]Turnovers killed us. No need to look much further for the reason why we lost.[/QUOTE]

Yes they did but that gints touchdown at the end really overshadows the damn turnovers.


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I think I've seen enough of Haslett. What pisses me off the most is the soft coverage in the red zone. Even Aikman pointed it out. It's happened over and over and over. Time to pack your bags. I wonder if we could get Wade Phillips and promote him to assistant head coach defensive coordinator.

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[quote=punch it in;955028]Yes they did but that gints touchdown at the end really overshadows the damn turnovers.


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If we don't turn it over 4 times I'd bet we would have won by 10.

We were our own worst enemy today.

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Safety wise I'd fire the whatever we got at safety now including the not/never healthy one. I'd look for some half decent fast safeties on other teams PS rosters or look at the CFL and bring in new young talent. If its a choice of having talent not playing to their expectations or having young talent playing to their expectations and growing I'll take the latter.

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[quote=skinsfan69;955029]get Wade Phillips and promote him to assistant head coach defensive coordinator.[/quote]

Another one for moobys list...

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The thing the bites the most about this game is the effort that RG3 turned in, yet our fate was the defense's hands.

Let me say this. Yes, the turnovers and penalties were egregious and unacceptable. But you don't let Victor fukcing Cruz run free on a fly pattern with a minute to go. That is simply unforgivable. And yes, I'm calling for Haslett to be fired.

[QUOTE=12thMan;955033]The thing the bites the most about this game is the effort that RG3 turned in, yet our fate was the defense's hands.

Let me say this. Yes, the turnovers and penalties were egregious and unacceptable. But you don't let Victor fukcing Cruz run free on a fly pattern with a minute to go. That is simply unforgivable. And yes, I'm calling for Haslett to be fired.[/QUOTE]

Whether we want him to or not it's pretty much written on the wall

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[quote=Mattyk;955030]If we don't turn it over 4 times I'd bet we would have won by 10.

We were our own worst enemy today.[/quote]

true that - lasting impression will be the td to cruz though - but yes we beat ourselves - i still say we win the division

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[quote=12thMan;955033]The thing the bites the most about this game is the effort that RG3 turned in, yet our fate was the defense's hands.

Let me say this. Yes, the turnovers and penalties were egregious and unacceptable. But you don't let Victor fukcing Cruz run free on a fly pattern with a minute to go. That is simply unforgivable. And yes, I'm calling for Haslett to be fired.[/quote]

Yeah, I'm baffled as to why our CB's didn't bump at the LOS to throw off the Timing and why we didn't have one Safety back just to eliminate that sort of play.

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I blame Shanahan and Allen. Almost halfway through year three and our win loss record is the worst of the Snyder era.

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[quote=44ever;955032]Another one for moobys list...[/quote]

Most definitely. A lateral move to the Redskins as d-coordinator? Sure, why wouldn't that be appealing to someone on an elite team with a good defense? Why don't we just see if we can get Dick LeBeau over here?

Make no mistake, Madieu Williams cheating towards the line in preparation to stop the short throw cost us big time today, but I believe the turnovers on 3 consecutive drives cost us even worse.

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[quote=12thman;955033]the thing the bites the most about this game is the effort that rg3 turned in, yet our fate was the defense's hands.

Let me say this. Yes, the turnovers and penalties were egregious and unacceptable. But you don't let victor fukcing cruz run free on a fly pattern with a minute to go. That is simply unforgivable. And yes, i'm calling for haslett to be fired.[/quote]

this

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[quote=punch it in;955037]true that - lasting impression will be the td to cruz though - but yes we beat ourselves - i still say we win the division[/quote]

The foretold division leading/SB bound Eagles are in shambles, the Cowboys don't seem impressive this year, and the Giants were almost beaten. Its a possibility if this team can figure out how to resolve the secondary issues.

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Overlooked is that the NYG's scored 26 points last week against the ferocious San Fran defense. This is not some pansy offense that rolled us.

At the same time, no way Cruz should be behind the entire defense on that play.

I am with GTripp ... that fact that we are starting M. Williams is somebody's fault. The personnel choices that ended w/ him starting need to be reevaluated. On the other hand, calls for Haslett's head at this point strike me as foolish and unneeded desparation.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;955044]I am with GTripp ... that fact that we are starting M. Williams is somebody's fault. The personnel choices that ended w/ him starting need to be reevaluated. On the other hand, calls for Haslett's head at this point strike me as foolish and unneeded desparation.[/quote]

Both of our safeties are out. Who exactly should they have brought in that would have done any better? I floated this before (not you) and still haven't received a answer to this.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;955011]Turnovers killed us. No need to look much further for the reason why we lost.[/QUOTE]

+1 and we fought our guts out.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;955039]I blame Shanahan and Allen. Almost halfway through year three and our win loss record is the worst of the Snyder era.[/quote]

So you want to go back to trading all of our picks for washed up players and signing lazy players to 100 mil contracts over drafting RG3, Morris, Kerrigan, and other younger players. Shanny deserves a fair amount of lumps, mainly trading for McNabb. But we have some pretty good young players, and we could rarely say that during the Snyderatto era.

Ok, after reading most of the chicken little stories, I might as well add one for Mooby's list.

If we are blaming people on the sideline for the Cruz catch, I say we blame RG3 for it. He is supposed to be Superman and clearly he didnt circle the globe fast enough to reverse time and give us another shot at that play. Trade him for a 7th rounder in 2035 and lets move on with the rebuild. Am I doing the hate for my favorite team properly?