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[quote=RedskinRat;923092]:lol:[/quote]

Watch the vidio in this it deals with Australia’s unions and not the United States, many of the rights mentioned by the mock executives — like workers’ compensation and expanded health care — are exactly the same. Watch it:[url=http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/03/05/148930/top-five-things-unions/?mobile=nc]REPORT: Five Things Unions Have Done For All Americans | ThinkProgress[/url]

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[url=http://freakoutnation.com/2012/06/12/poll-concludes-that-voters-arent-stupid-almost-half-know-republicans-are-sabotaging-the-economy/]Poll concludes that voters aren’t stupid; almost half believe Republicans are sabotaging the economy – FreakOutNation[/url]

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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/axelrod-tweet-burst-hits-romney-bermuda-tax-shelter-194710878--abc-news-politics.html]Axelrod hits Romney for 'Bermuda tax shelter' - Yahoo! News[/url]


I'll have to give Axelrod bonus points for the use of the words [I]MPP-the Mittness Protection Program.[/I]

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[quote=NC_Skins;923556][url=http://news.yahoo.com/axelrod-tweet-burst-hits-romney-bermuda-tax-shelter-194710878--abc-news-politics.html]Axelrod hits Romney for 'Bermuda tax shelter' - Yahoo! News[/url]


I'll have to give Axelrod bonus points for the use of the words [I]MPP-the Mittness Protection Program.[/I][/quote]

There is no way you can spin this, its an obvious tax shelter that the wealthy across this country use everyday. So not only do they enjoy the benifits of unfair tax rates, they also can hid there additional money offshore. Is this hypocritical country great?

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[quote=NC_Skins;923556][URL="http://news.yahoo.com/axelrod-tweet-burst-hits-romney-bermuda-tax-shelter-194710878--abc-news-politics.html"]Axelrod hits Romney for 'Bermuda tax shelter' - Yahoo! News[/URL]


I'll have to give Axelrod bonus points for the use of the words [I]MPP-the Mittness Protection Program.[/I][/quote]

I love how you say your an independent when its clear your a liberal. You can point to a few post you have made against Obama but its like 500 to 1. So I guess its wrong to invest or own a company over seas now?

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[quote=firstdown;923561]I love how you say your an independent when its clear your a liberal. You can point to a few post you have made against Obama but its like 500 to 1. So I guess its wrong to invest or own a company over seas now?[/quote]

What's clear is you have no clue what you are talking about. I refer back to this post I made in regards to Obama. I suggest you overlook the stuff in there. That's quite a few things against Obama, but if you would rather, I can post a link for each incident just to make you feel all warm and snuggly about my party affiliation. This one link alone outnumbers anything I've posted in regards to the GOP goons.


[quote=NC_Skins;922932]Getting back on the subject, if you Obama hatters want to hat on Obama for something, make sure it's something he's actually responsible for and not something he can really control.


Here is a good start.


[URL="http://tinyurl.com/3x3tpeb"]What has Obama done so far?[/URL][/quote]

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[quote=firstdown;923561]I love how you say your an independent when its clear your a liberal. You can point to a few post you have made against Obama but its like 500 to 1. So I guess its wrong to invest or own a company over seas now?[/quote]

There is only one question, why Bermurda and Cayman Islands? Is there alot of Bain Capital or Mitt Romney business there? Is he down there working on something?

These are clearly tax shelters. Mitts not the only one using them, thousands from the US cheat their government out of tax money like this each year. I would just like 1 person to admitt it.

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[quote=NC_Skins;923565]What's clear is you have no clue what you are talking about. I refer back to this post I made in regards to Obama. I suggest you overlook the stuff in there. That's quite a few things against Obama, but if you would rather, I can post a link for each incident just to make you feel all warm and snuggly about my party affiliation. This one link alone outnumbers anything I've posted in regards to the GOP goons.[/quote]

Its still just one post. Its no big deal just seems that way.

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[quote=Chico23231;923568][B]There is only one question, why Bermurda and Cayman Islands?[/B] Is there alot of Bain Capital or Mitt Romney business there? Is he down there working on something?

These are clearly tax shelters. Mitts not the only one using them, thousands from the US cheat their government out of tax money like this each year. I would just like 1 person to admitt it.[/quote]

Not sure? Maybe it was a good investment so he took advantage of it. Seems like they did no investagating on his investment but assuming he did so to avoid taxes is purly specultion at this point. So I guess the 50% of Americans that pay no federal income taxes are also tax cheats or is that just left for the rich. He did pay 6.5 million in federal taxes last year.

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[quote=Chico23231;923568]There is only one question, why Bermurda and Cayman Islands? Is there alot of Bain Capital or Mitt Romney business there? Is he down there working on something?

These are clearly tax shelters. Mitts not the only one using them, thousands from the US cheat their government out of tax money like this each year. I would just like 1 person to admitt it.[/quote]The guys writing the tax code into law could shut this down in a heartbeat with a flat-tax or the Fair Tax. Check out some of the tax shelters here in the U.S. like Wyoming and Delaware. Check out a "Delaware Trust", crazy stuff.

I don't have the kind of $$$ to take advantage of these loopholes, but if I did, I would in a heartbeat. Why would I pay a dime more to the Fed than I'm forced to? All that will happen is the crooks spending that money will be shoveling it whichever way helps their political career....or to fill the pockets of whoever/whatever special interest is pulling their strings.

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^ Nailed on FACT!

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So its ok when the wealthy cheat on taxes, but its not ok 51% dont pay? Under the same logic, if the poor cheat on taxes, your good with that too? So if its a tax free for all, your good with fraud in medicare, welfare claims, and general social services, because thats just money politicians are hoarding and spending for their own gain? Its stealing from services that support our country!

If the story is true about the Bermurda money not claim, then thats flat out tax evasion. The Caymen island accounts is just so typical of a money whore rich american.

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[quote=Chico23231;923576]So its ok when the wealthy cheat on taxes, but its not ok 51% dont pay? Under the same logic, if the poor cheat on taxes, your good with that too? So if its a tax free for all, your good with fraud in medicare, welfare claims, and general social services, because thats just money politicians are hoarding and spending for their own gain? Its stealing from services that support our country!

If the story is true about the Bermurda money not claim, then thats flat out tax evasion. The Caymen island accounts is just so typical of a money whore rich american.[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]From the Yahoo! link above i dont see any reference to fraud or tax evasion or doing something illegal? Is what Mitt did just publicly distasteful, or could this be truely construed as tax evasion?[/FONT][/COLOR]

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i would equate a cayman island account to an earned income refund when you paid no taxes to begin with. Both can be done legally. Both give fuel to the other side of the debate's arguments and frustration with our system.

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[quote=Chico23231;923576]So its ok when the wealthy cheat on taxes, but its not ok 51% dont pay? Under the same logic, if the poor cheat on taxes, your good with that too? So if its a tax free for all, your good with fraud in medicare, welfare claims, and general social services, because thats just money politicians are hoarding and spending for their own gain? Its stealing from services that support our country!

If the story is true about the Bermurda money not claim, then thats flat out tax evasion. The Caymen island accounts is just so typical of a money whore rich american.[/quote]I agree with CR's post at # 134. The wealthy aren't "cheating" on their taxes, they're simply working within the rules set forth by gov't. That being said, those who don't pay any taxes committing fraud in fed programs are straight out stealing. They're taking something they haven't paid anything for.

The top 1% pay approximately % 40 or so of federal income taxes. This begs a larger question, why should the wealthy have to pay a higher % in tax than someone who's poor. Does a wealthy person use more of the federal highway system? Does the military protect the wealthy person more than the poor person from foreign aggression? Does the Medicare/SS serve the wealthy more than the poor person?

Let's not forget all the wealthy aren't just the "evil, rich, country club republicans". Many of the rich are Dems....but as long as they can influence members of Congress to protect their interests it makes sense to send a few thousand to Dems/libs. There are many areas where you will never have a R/con congressperson.

I'm not OK with Medicare, Welfare and other types of fraud, of course not it's against the law. If you've followed my posts over the years, I support FairTax, you can find info on it here: [URL="http://www.fairtax.org"]www.fairtax.org[/URL]

FairTax will be revenue neutral, closes the tax loopholes used by the very rich and is a point-of-sale tax. Same rate for everyone, rich buy more they're taxed more.

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[quote=Chico23231;923576]If the story is true about the Bermurda money not claim, then thats flat out tax evasion. The Caymen island accounts is just so typical of a money whore rich american.[/quote]Let's say you're a successful businessman, you worked your hind-quarters off in school, took the risk of funding your own college, worked 50+ hour weeks for 20+ years and now are doing well. Not mega-rich, but say $ 1M yr. or so income. You're already paying a much higher tax rate than most everyone else and you're subject to the estate tax when you pass away, why would you not do everything you could to protect your hard earned assests for yourself and your family (think future generations)? Why would you pay more to the gov't who will simply take your money and do whatever it wants with it? It could be used to fund Planned Parenthood, it could be used for a new weapon system, it could go to a social program, it doesn't matter where the $$$ goes it's not going to help you and your family.

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[url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304141204577506652734793044.html]The Wall Street Journal: Romney's Tax Confusion - WSJ.com[/url]


Game. Set. Match?


I'm telling you. Obama needs to change his 2012 campaign slogan to this.


"Why try? It's Mitt Romney"

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;923595]i would equate a cayman island account to an earned income refund when you paid no taxes to begin with. Both can be done legally. Both give fuel to the other side of the debate's arguments and frustration with our system.[/quote]

That's a very shitty unbalanced equation. One is paying someone to shield their money from uncle sam and the other works hard but has no money to pay uncle sam let alone someone to hide money for them.

You guys make it seem like anyone could qualify for earned income credit, forget who created it and why it's a bloody good idea (hint, Ford created, Reagan strengthened it and it is meant to provide people and families relief and help them escape poverty).

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[quote=NC_Skins;923610][url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304141204577506652734793044.html]The Wall Street Journal: Romney's Tax Confusion - WSJ.com[/url]


Game. Set. Match?


I'm telling you. Obama needs to change his 2012 campaign slogan to this.


"Why try? It's Mitt Romney"[/quote]

LOL, it's not his fault he is rich but it will be his fault when he loses the election.

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[quote=saden1;923631]LOL, it's not his fault he is rich but it will be his fault when he loses the election.[/quote]

It will will be the whole GOP to blame ! I admit I am a registered repubican but I swear there is not one worth a damn anywhere in sight,I will vote Obama becuase he the less of 2 evils.:twocents:

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[quote=Giantone;923645]It will will be the whole GOP to blame ! I admit I am a registered repubican but I swear there is not one worth a damn anywhere in sight,I will vote Obama becuase he the less of 2 evils.:twocents:[/quote]


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[quote=mlmpetert;923587][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]From the Yahoo! link above i dont see any reference to fraud or tax evasion or doing something illegal? Is what Mitt did just publicly distasteful, or could this be truely construed as tax evasion?[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

The United States is unlike other countries in that, with some exceptions, its citizens are subject to U.S. tax on their worldwide income no matter where in the world they reside. Although there are some offshore bank accounts that advertise as tax havens, U.S. law requires reporting of income from those accounts, and willful failure to do so constitutes tax evasion.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;923597]I agree with CR's post at # 134. The wealthy aren't "cheating" on their taxes, they're simply working within the rules set forth by gov't. That being said, those who don't pay any taxes committing fraud in fed programs are straight out stealing. They're taking something they haven't paid anything for.

The top 1% pay approximately % 40 or so of federal income taxes. This begs a larger question, why should the wealthy have to pay a higher % in tax than someone who's poor. Does a wealthy person use more of the federal highway system? Does the military protect the wealthy person more than the poor person from foreign aggression? Does the Medicare/SS serve the wealthy more than the poor person?

Let's not forget all the wealthy aren't just the "evil, rich, country club republicans". Many of the rich are Dems....but as long as they can influence members of Congress to protect their interests it makes sense to send a few thousand to Dems/libs. There are many areas where you will never have a R/con congressperson.

I'm not OK with Medicare, Welfare and other types of fraud, of course not it's against the law. If you've followed my posts over the years, I support FairTax, you can find info on it here: [URL="http://www.fairtax.org"]www.fairtax.org[/URL]

FairTax will be revenue neutral, closes the tax loopholes used by the very rich and is a point-of-sale tax. Same rate for everyone, rich buy more they're taxed more.[/quote]

i def dont agree with CR 134 post, and FairTax i dont know enough about, ill read up. Most of what I have heard about Fairtax has been vastly inconsistent. Our tax codes and rules are out dated and need addressing asap. I agree with Paul Ryan when he said "cutting federal spending is the perfect time to look at Tax reform" or something along those lines. He's exactly right. I just have zero faith in our congress.

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It's not in the interest of special interest groups/lobbyists to have a flat tax, it's never happen.

Be nice if it did.

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[quote=Chico23231;923661]i def dont agree with CR 134 post, and FairTax i dont know enough about, ill read up. Most of what I have heard about Fairtax has been vastly inconsistent. [B]Our tax codes and rules are out dated and need addressing asap. I agree with Paul Ryan when he said "cutting federal spending is the perfect time to look at Tax reform" or something along those lines. He's exactly right. I just have zero faith in our congress[/B].[/quote]Agree 100% with you on bolded.

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[quote=Chico23231;923576]So its ok when the wealthy cheat on taxes, but its not ok 51% dont pay? Under the same logic, if the poor cheat on taxes, your good with that too? So if its a tax free for all, your good with fraud in medicare, welfare claims, and general social services, because thats just money politicians are hoarding and spending for their own gain? Its stealing from services that support our country!

[B]If the story is true about the Bermurda money not claim[/B], then thats flat out tax evasion. The Caymen island accounts is just so typical of a money whore rich american.[/quote]

Hello your own link said it was found on his 2010 to 2011 tax return. Actually it Was NC's link from the post he started on this.

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[quote=Chico23231;923659]The United States is unlike other countries in that, with some exceptions, its citizens are subject to U.S. tax on their worldwide income no matter where in the world they reside. Although there are some offshore bank accounts that advertise as tax havens, U.S. law requires reporting of income from those accounts, and willful failure to do so constitutes tax evasion.[/quote]
Once again he claimed this on his 2010 2011 tax return that the article linked to this subject.

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Well Obama has thrown away another 90 some million tax dollars on a failing Green Company.

[URL="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/4/lights-go-dim-on-another-energy-project/"]Lights go dim on another energy project - Washington Times[/URL]


How about those employment numbers going south AGAIN.

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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-june-jobs-report-kick-gut-got-end-144724004.html]Romney on jobs report: ‘This kick in the gut has got to end’ | The Ticket - Yahoo! News[/url]


[quote]"It doesn't have to be this way," Romney declared. "I will offer a different course, a better path."[/quote]

Which is? Has he even came up with a plan instead of his vague general talk of how his path is better, yet doesn't offer a plan?

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[quote=NC_Skins;923699][URL="http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-june-jobs-report-kick-gut-got-end-144724004.html"]Romney on jobs report: ‘This kick in the gut has got to end’ | The Ticket - Yahoo! News[/URL]




Which is? Has he even came up with a plan instead of his vague general talk of how his path is better, yet doesn't offer a plan?[/quote]
A quick Google search will show you Romney does have a specific plan for Job Creation and to get economic growth going again. C'mon NC, Believe in America!

[url=http://www.mittromney.com/blogs/mitts-view/2011/09/believe-america-day-one-job-one]Believe In America: Day One, Job One[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;923699][URL="http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-june-jobs-report-kick-gut-got-end-144724004.html"]Romney on jobs report: ‘This kick in the gut has got to end’ | The Ticket - Yahoo! News[/URL]




Which is? Has he even came up with a plan instead of his vague general talk of how his path is better, yet doesn't offer a plan?[/quote]

Well if you would get away from Yahoo and Media Matters for your news source you would see he has a 59 point plan. Wasn't it Obama and the need for a trillion dollar stimulas to fix this that's more money dumped down the drain.

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[quote=firstdown;923688]Well Obama has thrown away another 90 some million tax dollars on a failing Green Company.

[URL="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/4/lights-go-dim-on-another-energy-project/"]Lights go dim on another energy project - Washington Times[/URL]


How about those employment numbers going south AGAIN.[/quote]

So how many companies that were bailed out have paid back the money?

The employment #s are going south becuase of Congress hell Ray Charles can see that.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/4-pinocchios-for-obamas-newest-anti-romney-ad/2012/06/20/gJQAGux6qV_blog.html]4 Pinocchios for Obama’s newest anti-Romney ad - The Washington Post[/url]

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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/video/obama-squandered-surge-080000418.html;_ylt=AndxFbQ7g8g_YpxsiY7DBjI5_Od_;_ylu=X3oDMTFxcmt1OG9sBG1pdANFZGl0b3IgcGlja3MgcmlnaHQgcmFpbARwb3MDMwRzZWMDTWVkaWFFZGl0b3JQaWNrc1RlbXA-;_ylg=X3oDMTQ1MThpaHRhBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDMTgxYTU5ZjQtMjBhNC0zNWE5LTkxNzAtZDUzMzMyODM4YjlhBHBzdGNhdANwb2xpdGljc3xyZW1ha2VhbWVyaWNhBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0A040VV9DYXRlZ29yeUludGVyZXN0czI-;_ylv=3]How Obama squandered the surge | Watch the video - Yahoo! News[/url]

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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-let-bush-era-tax-cuts-wealthiest-expire-172849154.html]Obama: Let Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthiest expire | The Ticket - Yahoo! News[/url]

[quote]"The fate of the tax cut for the wealthiest Americans will be decided by the outcome of the next election. My opponent will fight to keep them in place, I will fight to end them[/quote]


Seriously guys, he REALLY means it [I]this[/I] time!! :rolleyes:

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[QUOTE=Giantone;923751]So how many companies that were bailed out have paid back the money?

The employment #s are going south becuase of Congress hell Ray Charles can see that.[/QUOT

As far as I know we bailed out the banks and few car companies. That was not my point. He has loaned several green companies millions and millions of dollars and they have gone under. Even his own staff had thrown up red flags about loaning some of the companies money but he ignored them at tax payers expense.

Also please explain what congress has done or has not done thats causing employment #s to go south?

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....and these guys will be voting. :doh:

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/obama-pays-bills-scam-163528180.html]‘Obama pays your bills’ scam claims more victims | The Lookout - Yahoo! News[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;923751]So how many companies that were bailed out have paid back the money?

The employment #s are going south becuase of Congress hell Ray Charles can see that.[/quote]

Those car companies had to be bailed out why?

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[quote=firstdown;924115]Those car companies had to be bailed out why?[/quote]Silly me, I thought it was the UAW being bailed out....

[URL="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303768104577462650268680454.html"]James Sherk and Todd Zywicki: Obama's United Auto Workers Bailout - WSJ.com[/URL]

I guess $ 26B buys the Michigan electoral votes.

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[quote=firstdown;924085][QUOTE=Giantone;923751]So how many companies that were bailed out have paid back the money?

The employment #s are going south becuase of Congress hell Ray Charles can see that.[/QUOT

As far as I know we bailed out the banks and few car companies. That was not my point. He has loaned several green companies millions and millions of dollars and they have gone under. Even his own staff had thrown up red flags about loaning some of the companies money but he ignored them at tax payers expense.

Also please explain what congress has done or has not done thats causing employment #s to go south?[/quote]


Yeah bad choice of words there the numbers went north(in this case)I don't mind loaning money to the "green energy Co's" we need to invest in this for the future no doubt,I know it didn't work out .I was under the impression that most of the car companys have paid back part of the loans ...I believe it is in the 50% range and the banks ..well some have paid back almost all ,AIG did about 2 weeks ago.By Congress fighting Obama on everything it is they that are sending unemployment numbers through the roof.