[QUOTE=GreekSkin;896085]Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter
[I]NFL is taking away millions of dolllar of salary-cap space from Cowboys and Redskins for how they front-loaded deals during uncapped year.[/I]


great....[/QUOTE]

Wtf?

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36 million getting taken away from Redskins... can be split between 2012 and 2013, however we want.

Sweeeeeeeeeet.

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nm was beat to the punch.

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That is utterly insane. can the amount be appealed?

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WHOA! Thats quite a bit. Gonna make Free Agency a lot harder for us now.

Even if it can be appealed the timing basically neuters us...

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36 mil lost. Frickin ouch!

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They should've thought of this before they made the trade. No we're really ****ed.

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Well I can see a ton of cuts coming. This is utter bullsh*t for us and the Cowboys IMO. Did the league warn of what the consequences would be? How 'bout these f*ckers don't have an uncapped year then.


So that leaves us with what, $13 mil of cap space? (Assuming we had $31 mil of cap space per PFT and that they split the $36 mil in two years)

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[quote=skinsfan69;896100]They should've thought of this before they made the trade. No we're really ****ed.[/quote]

I dont really see how one thing has to do with the other...

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a) How is this remotely fair? Shouldn't the NFL (a collection of owners) have set the rules regarding this before the uncapped year started?

b) How is this remotely fair that this is announced the day before free agency starts, rather than weeks ago?

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That is f-ed up... 36 million dollars of salary cap space for front-loaded deals during uncapped year.

The nfl is just making rules up as they go along.

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[quote=Lotus;896106]a) How is this remotely fair? Shouldn't the NFL (a collection of owners) have set the rules regarding this before the uncapped year started?

b) How is this remotely fair that this is announced the day before free agency starts, rather than weeks ago?[/quote]

It doesn't sound like it's fair at all. And it sounds like the money we have to give back will be given to other teams for them to spent on their free agency. Sounds like a big hott pile of bullshit to me. Wonder if the redskins had any idea this was coming?

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[quote=Gmanc711;896103]I dont really see how one thing has to do with the other...[/quote]

They don't

I can't understand how the league would approve the contract restructures of Haynesworth and Hall, then turn around and say it's obvious you were trying to circumvent the rules...so we're going to punish you

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I don't think I am being a blatant homer when I think this is serious BS. I can't even comprehend how the league could possibly do this. No actual rules were broken and isn't telling teams things like they league supposedly did ripe for a collusion charge?

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that's a lot of money... I'd load up on sub 3mill/year guys and take as much off the books as possible. I'd still try to trade out carr for hall though.

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[quote=skinsfan69;896100]They should've thought of this before they made the trade. No we're really ****ed.[/quote]how so?

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[quote=SmootSmack;896159]I can't understand how the league would approve the contract restructures of Haynesworth and Hall, then turn around and say it's obvious you were trying to circumvent the rules...so we're going to punish you[/quote]

Amen Smooty. Talk to your people!!

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I can assure the accuracy of this $35.25 number reconciled with the official NFL report from yesterday.

There will be no accounting for the $36 million penalty here because the Redskins can just pay whatever remains on their 2012 cap (if the penalty stands at all). That will be a big part of the 2013 cap analysis though if it stands.

[B]**UPDATED (March 12, 2012)** Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Info[/B]

[U]2012 Salary Cap Situation[/U]
1. Salary Cap Projection = [COLOR="Silver"]$124 million $120.375 million[/COLOR] $120.6 million <-- Small salary cap increase
2a. Number of players under contract for the Redskins = [COLOR="Silver"]47 56[/COLOR] 54
2b. Redskins Cap Number, March 2 2012 = [COLOR="Silver"]$86.3 million[/COLOR] $93.1 million
2c. Difference between adjusted 2012 cap number and projected cap = $27.5 million
2d. Redskins 2011 Salary Cap Rollover = $13 million
[B]3. Salary Cap space, February 2012 + cap rollover = $40.5 million[/B]

4. Potential player releases from $90 million cap number (plus 390k UDFA val):[INDENT]DeAngelo Hall, $6.2 million-390k = $5.8 million net gain
[B]O.J. Atogwe, $4.0 million-390k = $3.6 million net gain CONFIRMED[/B]
Jammal Brown, -$650k-390k = -$1.04 million [net loss]
John Beck, $1 million-390k = $0.6 million net gain
[B]Mike Sellers, $925k-390k = $0.55 million net gain CONFIRMED[/B]
Reed Doughty, $1.15 million-390k = $0.76 million net gain
Santana Moss, $484k-390k = $0.1 million net gain
Chris Cooley, $2.07 million-390k = $1.68 million net gain

Total = $13.94 million retrievable[/INDENT]
4b. Actual Cap Retrieved from Player Releases/Restructures: $4.15 million

5. Space for potential releases PLUS existing cap space = [B]$55.84 million available[/B] (does not include June 1 release flexibility)

[COLOR="Silver"]6a. [I]Rule of 51 = 4 contracts at league min (390k) = $1.56 million[/I][/COLOR] <--the Redskins now have more than 51 players under contract
6b. Redskins Exclusive Rights Free Agents, less UDFA rookie minimum (375k per)[INDENT][B]Graham Gano, 2012 Cap Number = $0.54 million-390k = $0.15 million[/B]

Total as of January 17 = $150k[/INDENT]
6c. Redskins Restricted Free Agents, less UDFA rookie minimum (375k per)[INDENT][B]Kory Lichtensteiger, 2012 Cap Number = [COLOR="Silver"]$1.875 million-390k = $1.5 million (projected 2nd round tender)[/COLOR] $1.2 million-390k = $0.81 million (original round (4th) tender) CONFIRMED[/B]
[COLOR="Silver"]Byron Westbrook, 2012 Cap Number = $1.2 million-390k = $0.825 million (projected low tender) [/COLOR]<-- Rich Tandler reports Redskins will not offer RFA tender to Westbrook

Total as of March 11 = $0.81 million[/INDENT]
6d. Redskins Unrestricted Free Agents and PROJECTED CAP FIGURES, less UDFA rookie minimum (390k per):[INDENT]London Fletcher, 2011 Cap Number = $5.67 million-390k = $5.28 million
[B]Fred Davis, 2011 FRANCHISE TENDER = $5.446 million-390k = $5.056 million CONFIRMED[/B]
[B]Will Montgomery, 2012 Cap Number = $3.5 million-390k =$3.11 million CONFIRMED[/B]
Adam Carriker, 2011 Cap Number = $3.25 million-390k = $2.86 million
Tim Hightower, 2011 Cap Number = $1.5 million-390k = $1.11 million
[B]Darrion Scott, 2012 Cap Number = $650k-$390k =$260k[/B]

Rex Grossman
Rocky McIntosh
Kedric Golston
Donte Stallworth
David Anderson
Sean Locklear
Phillip Buchanon
Keyaron Fox
Byron Westbrook <-- added

[COLOR="Silver"]PROJECTED Total as of January 17 = $20.085 million[/COLOR] <--Removed Landry's projection
PROJECTED Total as of [COLOR="Silver"]March 2 = $18.911 million[/COLOR] March 11 = $18.636 million
[B]ACCUMULATED Total as of [COLOR="silver"]March 2 = $9.489 million[/COLOR] March 11 = $9.386 million [/B][/INDENT]
6f. [B]Accumulated re-signings = $9.386 million[/B]

7. Signed unrestricted free agents from other teams:
[Indent] [/Indent]
Total as of January 17: N/A

8. [B]Salary Cap space after projected re-signings, March 12, 2012 [/B]=[B]$26.05 million[/B]
Actual salary cap space as of March 12, 2012 (minus allowances for tenders including TE franchise tag): [SIZE="4"] $35.25 million[/SIZE]

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[URL="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.footballoutsiders.com/under-cap/2010/under-cap-redskins-utilizing-uncapped-year"]J.I. Halsell[/URL] [URL="www.*footballoutsider*s.*com/*under-*cap/*2010/*under-*cap-*redskins-*utilizing-*uncapped-*year"]in 2010[/URL]:

[QUOTE]As I’ve previously written, given the uncertainty of what 2011 holds, clubs who take advantage of the uncapped year by incurring high team salaries in 2010 run the risk of possibly being penalized in 2011 as part of a new salary cap and CBA. Clearly, this is a risk the Redskins are willing to take -- or perhaps they know something the rest of us don’t.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=GTripp0012;896699][URL="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.footballoutsiders.com/under-cap/2010/under-cap-redskins-utilizing-uncapped-year"]J.I. Halsell[/URL] [URL="www.*footballoutsider*s.*com/*under-*cap/*2010/*under-*cap-*redskins-*utilizing-*uncapped-*year"]in 2010[/URL]:[/quote]
Now this puts into perspective just how warned teams were... Interesting, maybe we're jumping the gun.

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[quote=skinsfan69;896100]They should've thought of this before they made the trade. No we're really ****ed.[/quote]

[IMG]http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/52/salarycaphell.jpg/[/IMG]

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[quote=IrMitchell;896702]Now this puts into perspective just how warned teams were... Interesting, [B]maybe we're jumping the gun[/B].[/quote]

nah, when does that ever happen? ;)

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so now that we know were taking a 18MM hit this year, how much do we have left to spend?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;897128]so now that we know were taking a 18MM hit this year, how much do we have left to spend?[/quote]

Around 15 mil

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;896699][URL="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.footballoutsiders.com/under-cap/2010/under-cap-redskins-utilizing-uncapped-year"]J.I. Halsell[/URL] [URL="www.*footballoutsider*s.*com/*under-*cap/*2010/*under-*cap-*redskins-*utilizing-*uncapped-*year"]in 2010[/URL]:[/QUOTE]

Awesome...So this was negotiated into the new CBA right? Wait, what? No? You mean they're just making this up as they go? No way!

It wasn't part of the CBA...plain and simple. The league strong-armed the NFLPA into agreeing to this. They extorted them essentially. The facts are this.

The Skins and other teams took advantage both legally and in the spirit of a CBA tool meant to punish one or both sides for allowing the uncapped year to happen.
Many owners colluded to strip said tool of the power it held from a labor standpoint.
The league allowed the contracts in spite of the fact that there was an agreement not do allow such behavior.


It cannot be stated more clearly...the league is punishing two teams, entirely without regard for the other teams in the league that acted similarly, for not engaging in an illegal labor negotiating ploy.

The argument that what they did created competitive imbalance, while on it's face pretty dubious, is completely irrelevant. THAT WAS WHAT THE UNCAPPED YEAR WAS INTENDED TO DO.

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Anyone care to explain where JLC is getting these numbers? I wonder if he meant these are the cap numbers with the cap penalties.

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/13/salary-cap-numbers-for-all-32-nfl-teams/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Salary cap numbers for all 32 NFL teams «[/url]

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You're right about everything you said, but in the end, the league can pretty much do whatever they want. It's not fair, but it is what it is.

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[quote=Ruhskins;897138]Anyone care to explain where JLC is getting these numbers? I wonder if he meant these are the cap numbers with the cap penalties.

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/13/salary-cap-numbers-for-all-32-nfl-teams/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Salary cap numbers for all 32 NFL teams «[/url][/quote]

Ya not sure where he gets these. You are probably right, these numbers likely include an $18M cap charge in 2012.

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[quote=Ruhskins;897138]Anyone care to explain where JLC is getting these numbers? I wonder if he meant these are the cap numbers with the cap penalties.

[URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/13/salary-cap-numbers-for-all-32-nfl-teams/"]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Salary cap numbers for all 32 NFL teams «[/URL][/quote]

I don't think that includes the $13M in space that the Skins got to carry over from last year.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;897182]Ya not sure where he gets these. You are probably right, these numbers likely include an $18M cap charge in 2012.[/quote]
I was just thinking of something with this $18 million crap. Isn't it really $19.6 million because of the extra $1.6 million or whatever it was that every other team got that we didn't get. That extra $1.6 million is already added in to the $120 million cap number.

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2012 cap numbers:

Garcon: $4.3 million
Morgan: $2.9 million
Carriker: $1.7 million

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i can dig it

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[B]**UPDATED (March 13, 2012)** Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Info[/B]

[U]2012 Salary Cap Situation[/U]
1. Salary Cap Projection = [COLOR="Silver"]$124 million $120.375 million[/COLOR] $120.6 million <-- Small salary cap increase
2a. Number of players under contract for the Redskins = [COLOR="Silver"]47 56[/COLOR] 54
2b. Redskins Cap Number, March 2 2012 = [COLOR="Silver"]$86.3 million[/COLOR] $93.1 million
2c. Difference between adjusted 2012 cap number and projected cap = $27.5 million
2d. Redskins 2011 Salary Cap Rollover = $13 million
[B]3. Salary Cap space, February 2012 + cap rollover = $40.5 million[/B]

4. Potential player releases from $90 million cap number (plus 390k UDFA val):[INDENT]DeAngelo Hall, $6.2 million-390k = $5.8 million net gain
[B]O.J. Atogwe, $4.0 million-390k = $3.6 million net gain CONFIRMED[/B]
Jammal Brown, -$650k-390k = -$1.04 million [net loss]
John Beck, $1 million-390k = $0.6 million net gain
[B]Mike Sellers, $925k-390k = $0.55 million net gain CONFIRMED[/B]
Reed Doughty, $1.15 million-390k = $0.76 million net gain
Santana Moss, $484k-390k = $0.1 million net gain
Chris Cooley, $2.07 million-390k = $1.68 million net gain

Total = $13.94 million retrievable[/INDENT]
4b. Actual Cap Retrieved from Player Releases/Restructures: $4.15 million

5. Space for potential releases PLUS existing cap space = [B]$55.84 million available[/B] (does not include June 1 release flexibility)

[COLOR="Silver"]6a. [I]Rule of 51 = 4 contracts at league min (390k) = $1.56 million[/I][/COLOR] <--the Redskins now have more than 51 players under contract
6b. Redskins Exclusive Rights Free Agents, less UDFA rookie minimum (375k per)[INDENT][B]Graham Gano, 2012 Cap Number = $0.54 million-390k = $0.15 million[/B]

Total as of January 17 = $150k[/INDENT]
6c. Redskins Restricted Free Agents, less UDFA rookie minimum (375k per)[INDENT][B]Kory Lichtensteiger, 2012 Cap Number = [COLOR="Silver"]$1.875 million-390k = $1.5 million (projected 2nd round tender)[/COLOR] $1.2 million-390k = $0.81 million (original round (4th) tender) CONFIRMED[/B]
[COLOR="Silver"]Byron Westbrook, 2012 Cap Number = $1.2 million-390k = $0.825 million (projected low tender) [/COLOR]<-- Rich Tandler reports Redskins will not offer RFA tender to Westbrook

Total as of March 11 = $0.81 million[/INDENT]
6d. Redskins Unrestricted Free Agents and PROJECTED CAP FIGURES, less UDFA rookie minimum (390k per):[INDENT]London Fletcher, 2012 Cap Number = $5.67 million-390k = $5.28 million
[B]Fred Davis, 2012 FRANCHISE TENDER = $5.446 million-390k = $5.056 million CONFIRMED[/B]
[B]Will Montgomery, 2012 Cap Number = $3.5 million-390k =$3.11 million CONFIRMED[/B]
[B]Adam Carriker, 2012 Cap Number = $1.7 million-390k = $1.31 million CONFIRMED[/B]
Tim Hightower, 2012 Cap Number = $1.5 million-390k = $1.11 million
[B]Darrion Scott, 2012 Cap Number = $650k-$390k =$260k[/B]

Rex Grossman
Rocky McIntosh
Kedric Golston
Donte Stallworth
David Anderson
Sean Locklear
Phillip Buchanon
Keyaron Fox
Byron Westbrook [COLOR="Silver"]<-- added[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Silver"]PROJECTED Total as of January 17 = $20.085 million[/COLOR] <--Removed Landry's projection
PROJECTED Total as of [COLOR="Silver"]March 2 = $18.911 million[/COLOR] March 13 = $17.086 million
[B]ACCUMULATED Total as of [COLOR="silver"]March 2 = $9.489 million[/COLOR] March 13 = $10.696 million [/B][/INDENT]
6f. [B]Accumulated re-signings = $10.696 million[/B]
Projected additional re-signings (Fletcher and Hightower) = $6.39 million

7. Signed unrestricted free agents from other teams:
[Indent][B]Pierre Garcon: $4.3 million-390k = $3.91 million CONFIRMED
Josh Morgan: $2.9 million-390k = $2.51 million CONFIRMED [/B][/Indent]
Total as of the evening of March 13th: $6.42 million

8. [B]Salary Cap space after projected re-signings, March 13, 2012 [/B]=[B]$21.13 million[/B]
Actual salary cap space as of March 13, 2012: [SIZE="4"] $27.52 million[/SIZE]

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If you consider the cap penalty, the Redskins currently have just [B]$9.52 million[/B] in remaining cap room. The Redskins have the flexibility to increase that number considerably.

But that's only enough to resign our current free agents. With Dwight Lowery going off the market and with the LB and RB markets being slow to develop, if we get Fletcher under contract pretty soon I would expect the Redskins to take a step back and try to get trade value for our excess of receivers.

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Jabar Gaffney clears up $2.65 million if released. Santana Moss and Anthony Armstrong: $0.1 million each.

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[quote=GTripp0012;898161]Jabar Gaffney clears up $2.65 million if released. Santana Moss and Anthony Armstrong: $0.1 million each.[/quote]

And I would save more money by not paying my electric bill than by not paying my netflix bill.

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[quote=GTripp0012;898124]2012 cap numbers:

Garcon: $4.3 million
Morgan: $2.9 million
Carriker: $1.7 million[/quote]

Facts or estimates?

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;898167]And I would save more money by not paying my electric bill than by not paying my netflix bill.[/quote]

Post of the day

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;898197]Facts or estimates?[/quote]Facts, but there's a margin of error related to option bonus structure, which I am not certain of.

With Carriker, his 250,000 year 1 roster bonus is in there. With the others, it's just amortized signing bonus plus salary.

Mostly just worried about finding out if there's any workout bonuses in there.

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[quote=GTripp0012;898124]2012 cap numbers: Garcon: $4.3 million[/quote]

Do you have a source for Garcon's number? Not trying to bust your balls I'm just curious cuz I've seen conflicting reports.

This story [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/redskins-reach-deals-with-three-wide-receivers-re-sign-de-adam-carriker/2012/03/13/gIQA9xQXAS_story.html]Redskins reach deals with two wide receivers, re-sign DE Adam Carriker - The Washington Post[/url] says "He accepted a five-year deal from the Redskins worth $42 million — $21.5 million of it guaranteed — according to people with knowledge of the situation."

If you assume a $21.5M signing bonus, his 2012 SB allocation would be $4.3M. Add in salary and/or roster bonus and his cap hit is over $5M at least.

This story [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/ex-colts-receiver-pierre-garcon-says-hes-signing-with-the-redskins-on-1st-day-of-free-agency/2012/03/13/gIQAhTGCAS_story.html]Ex-Colts receiver Pierre Garcon agrees to 5-yr, $42.5M deal with Redskins - The Washington Post[/url] says "The contract includes $20.5 million in guaranteed money, with an $11 million signing bonus."

If you assume an $11M signing bonus, his 2012 SB allocation would be $2.2M. How do you get to $4.3M?