Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=Mattyk;823379]Or you just work a 3 team deal. Taking the risk of trading for someone in hopes of being able to turn around and trade him right away doesn't make much sense at all.[/quote]


I think I heard a rumor like that our 1st & A Hole for the lambs 1st last year. OH well I like what were doing now, can't cry over spilt milk.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;823366]seeing this thread reminded me;
I was listening to ESPN 980 the other day, and I heard [B]I think it was steve czaban[/B], saying that he heard from a high ranking redskins official, that last year Mike Shanahan wanted Bradford badly.[/quote]

I listen to Czab in the morning and he is hilarious in a hybrid homer simpson/george costanza sort of way. But you really gotta fact check the sh*t his says. he gives some bad info.

I still remember when Czab ask Mark Brunell if he would bench himself for the better of the team on CSN. Classic.

Re: sam bradford
 

You would think the next Peyton Manning would be better then Colt McCoy.
Not saying that Bradford isn't gonna be a good QB but you would think that people would either temper the Peyton Manning or start mentioning McCoy in the same ligth.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=30gut;823361]Just thought I'd pass along that both Football Outsiders and ESPN's new QBR have Colt McCoy's rookie season ahead or Sam Bradford.

So you can add them to the list of people not in their right minds.[/quote]

No hate for mccoy here. I'm just going to bring this tread back up in 3 years when bradford is a superstar.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=NYCskinfan82;823378]Why go through all that when you could just offer your 1st & 2nd. I think SS story sounds more beleiveable.[/quote]

That's what I say, but again this is what I heard on the radio the other day.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=skinster;823398]No hate for mccoy here. I'm just going to bring this tread back up in 3 years when bradford is a superstar.[/quote]
Am I right to take it that you're conceding for now that your statement that:
"nobody in their right mind thinks McCoy is even close to Bradford"
Was a bit off? Unless you think the Football Outsiders stats and the TQBR aren't in their right minds?

Re: sam bradford
 

Eli Manning and Matt Schaub are both franchise quarterbacks, and both surely better than Joe Flacco.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=jonny5dicky;823645]Eli Manning and Matt Schaub are both franchise quarterbacks, and both surely better than Joe Flacco.[/quote]


I wouldn't say Franchise QB's for Schaub he hasn't even made a Playoff appearance yet.. Flacco is JC imo

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=jonny5dicky;823645]Eli Manning and Matt Schaub are both franchise quarterbacks, and both surely better than Joe Flacco.[/quote]

What are you talking about? Flacco matched Eli's career year numbers in literally half the time (3 years to 6).

Schuab fine but Eli? Thats just good old fashion hatting.

Re: sam bradford
 

I would take Eli Manning over Flacco any day....look at Flacco's playoff figures, I don't think they're good. But then again, I'd take Rex Grossman over Flacco also. Rex is the man, the savior of D.C. He's going to surpass Brad Johnson's numbers of the '99 season when the Redskins had the 2nd best offense in the NFL.

Re: sam bradford
 

It's funny we probably could have drafted Rex Grossman and Jabar Gaffney instead of Patrick Ramsey and Taylor Jacobs in '02 and '03. The Redskins management has really been ridiculous season after season, but I believe this is really the turn of the Redskins and it will be led by Rex Grossman. I remember wishing we hadn't drafted Patrick Ramsey so we would be going after Grossman the next draft. I bet Spurrier didn't want to draft Ramsey, and if he had the chance to get Grossman I bet his offense would have been a lot more dynamic. Grossman led the Bears to the super bowl his first season as a starter. I really look at the rest of the NFL for being pretty stupid for not getting this guy, basically because I know he can play and the Redskins are going to surprise the NFL. The Redskins receiving core is actually good too even though it didn't look that way a month ago. I really like how Terrence Austin has been looking.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=jonny5dicky;823645]Eli Manning and Matt Schaub are both franchise quarterbacks, and both surely better than Joe Flacco.[/quote]
???

Re: sam bradford
 

I was responding to like the beginning of this post lol

Re: sam bradford
 

Eli is overrated. He had the one SB and it will be all downhill from there. He ahs a nasty tendency to throw INTs when the game is on the line or real close. Favre started doing this when he hit the big 36. How old is Eli?

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;823691]Eli is overrated. He had the one SB and it will be all downhill from there. He ahs a nasty tendency to throw INTs when the game is on the line or real close. Favre started doing this when he hit the big 36. How old is Eli?[/quote]

Favre always threw picks in big/any moments. For some reason though he was always given a pass by the media on this, when he threw a stupid pick it was because he was a "gun slinger"

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=30gut;823619]Am I right to take it that you're conceding for now that your statement that:
"nobody in their right mind thinks McCoy is even close to Bradford"
Was a bit off? Unless you think the Football Outsiders stats and the TQBR aren't in their right minds?[/quote]

Fine let me rephrase. I don't think there's a shot in hell that McCoy's career is going to be better than Bradford's. No hate for McCoy, I have confidence he CAN be very good, but I also have confidence that Bradford WILL be Great.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=skinster;823763]Fine let me rephrase. I don't think there's a shot in hell that McCoy's career is going to be better than Bradford's. No hate for McCoy, I have confidence he CAN be very good, but I also have confidence that Bradford WILL be Great.[/quote]No worries, just giving you a hard time.
Kinda wanted to see if you would concede any point in our discussion.

Don't mind me, should have just let it go I guess.

Re: sam bradford
 

In Redskins lore Sam Bradford will always be the fish that got away.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=mredskins;823784]In Redskins lore Sam Bradford will always be the fish that got away.[/quote]

yup, even though they had no chance at getting him

Re: sam bradford
 

yep I agree Matty.

There may be a guy or two from this years draft that we could have a legitimate grip against missing out on.

BTW I love our draft and cannot fault the FO for trying to get us as many players as possible.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=skinster;823763]Fine let me rephrase. I don't think there's a shot in hell that McCoy's career is going to be better than Bradford's. No hate for McCoy, I have confidence he CAN be very good, but I also have confidence that Bradford WILL be Great.[/quote]

Tell it brother!

Re: sam bradford
 

Sam wasn't even a big time QB in HS here, in fact he was considered a better golfer than QB. Guy just worked hard and is a very underrated athlete with a Big time arm and all the smarts. basically he has all the tools to be a great one.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;823647]I wouldn't say Franchise QB's for Schaub he hasn't even made a Playoff appearance yet.. Flacco is JC imo[/quote]

If Flacco is JC, then you have just thrown the rest of the Redskins' roster under the bus.

Flacco's team has made the playoffs more than once; JC and the Redskins were also-rans. If Flacco = JC, that can only mean that the rest of the Skins team stunk it up and cost a playoff berth.

Is that your message?

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=jonny5dicky;823664]I would take Eli Manning over Flacco any day....look at Flacco's playoff figures, I don't think they're good. But then again, I'd take Rex Grossman over Flacco also. Rex is the man, the savior of D.C. He's going to surpass Brad Johnson's numbers of the '99 season when the Redskins had the 2nd best offense in the NFL.[/quote]

Do you mean that the Skins will post better offensive numbers than they did in 1999 or that they will be better in the NFL rankings on offense than they were in 1999?

If you mean the latter, there is [B]ONLY ONE [/B]possible outcome:
[INDENT]The Skins will have THE BEST offense in the NFL in 2011.[/INDENT]
I would be willing to take that wager...

Re: sam bradford
 

Has Bradford won the superbowl or an MVP trophy?

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=jonny5dicky;823666]It's funny we probably could have drafted Rex Grossman and Jabar Gaffney instead of Patrick Ramsey and Taylor Jacobs in '02 and '03. The Redskins management has really been ridiculous season after season, but I believe this is really the turn of the Redskins and it will be led by Rex Grossman. I remember wishing we hadn't drafted Patrick Ramsey so we would be going after Grossman the next draft. I bet Spurrier didn't want to draft Ramsey, and if he had the chance to get Grossman I bet his offense would have been a lot more dynamic. Grossman led the Bears to the super bowl his first season as a starter. I really look at the rest of the NFL for being pretty stupid for not getting this guy, basically because I know he can play and the Redskins are going to surprise the NFL. The Redskins receiving core is actually good too even though it didn't look that way a month ago. I really like how Terrence Austin has been looking.[/quote]

Never let facts get in the way of conclusions:

1. Patrick Ramsey was the draft pick "mandated" by Danny Boy. He told the Wash Post Magazine that he was the one who "discovered" Ramsey and recognized the strength of Ramsey's arm and realized that the Skins needed to take him before any other team did.

2. Grossman took the Bears to the Super Bowl in the ONLY season that he was the starter for the entire season - - not in his FIRST year as a starter. He was with the Bears for two years after that Super Bowl run; would you like to demonstrate for all of us here what his awe-inspiring stats were for those seasons? My recollection is - - and I will be happy to be corrected here - - that Grossman lost his starting job about 3-5 games into the season after he "led the Bears" to the Super Bowl and that he never recovered his job in Chicago for a season and a half.

3. If - - I said IF - - the Shanahans decide to sit Grossman on the bench and play John Beck at the start of the 2011 season, are you going to say that the Shanahans are a bunch of dummies just like the rest of the NFL because they do not recognize the greatness of Rex Grossman? Remember, you will be saying that a two-time Super Bowl winning head coach is a doofus if that is your position...

4. I still think you are Rex Grossman's mother posting here under the screen-name jonny5dicky.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;823691]Eli is overrated. He had the one SB and it will be all downhill from there. He ahs a nasty tendency to throw INTs when the game is on the line or real close. Favre started doing this when he hit the big 36. How old is Eli?[/quote]

If that is your criterion for "overrated", what is your adjective to describe Rex Grossman who can either throw an INT when the game is close OR he can fumble the ball away in the same circumstance? Does Grossman's "versitility" here count as a positive or a negative?

Re: sam bradford
 

Is it not allowed in your world SC to discuss other teams and players without it having to relate back to the Skins in some fashion? lol

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;823647]I wouldn't say Franchise QB's for Schaub he hasn't even made a Playoff appearance yet.. Flacco is JC imo[/quote]
Don't blame Houston's awful D on Schaub. Flacco actually has accuracy as well, something JC will never consistently have.

Re: sam bradford
 

Eli Manning is underrated. He is a franchise qb IMO. Stats are strongly correlated with how good a player is, but they are not the end all be all. I watched alot of NYG games last season, The vast majority of picks Eli threw did not seem to be his fault.

Flacco is junk, he is JC IMO. Flacco doesn't seem to have 3 critical elements of being a franchise qb. He doesn't seem to have good vision, he doesn't seem to have good pocket presence (he lead the league in sacks after 3 seconds), and he doesn't seem to be able to deliver the ball quickly to his intended targets (yes I know he has arm strength, but the time from when he sees his target to when he throws the ball seems to be forever). Basically, he doesn't seem to have the intangibles needed to be an above average qb.

Re: sam bradford
 

What Flacco has done in his first 3 years is impressive, and he's only getting better.

It boggles my mind that anyone could call him junk.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;823961]Never let facts get in the way of conclusions:

1. Patrick Ramsey was the draft pick "mandated" by Danny Boy. He told the Wash Post Magazine that he was the one who "discovered" Ramsey and recognized the strength of Ramsey's arm and realized that the Skins needed to take him before any other team did.

2. Grossman took the Bears to the Super Bowl in the ONLY season that he was the starter for the entire season - - not in his FIRST year as a starter. He was with the Bears for two years after that Super Bowl run; would you like to demonstrate for all of us here what his awe-inspiring stats were for those seasons? My recollection is - - and I will be happy to be corrected here - - that Grossman lost his starting job about 3-5 games into the season after he "led the Bears" to the Super Bowl and that he never recovered his job in Chicago for a season and a half.

3. If - - I said IF - - the Shanahans decide to sit Grossman on the bench and play John Beck at the start of the 2011 season, are you going to say that the Shanahans are a bunch of dummies just like the rest of the NFL because they do not recognize the greatness of Rex Grossman? Remember, you will be saying that a two-time Super Bowl winning head coach is a doofus if that is your position...

4. I still think you are Rex Grossman's mother posting here under the screen-name jonny5dicky.[/quote]

Not to sidetrack this conversation, but that's not exactly true about #1. Regardless of what Snyder told the WaPo Magazine. Ramsey was not their first choice. Choice #1. Heck 1-3 was Joey Harrington. They tried desperately to move up to get him. When that option failed, they decided they would sit at #18 and wait to see if Donte Stallworth fell to them. When that didn't happen is when they mobilized a trade down with the Patriots to get Ramsey and add picks later in the draft. He can say he "discovered" Ramsey (whatever that means) and that Ramsey was the guy they wanted. But I can tell you first hand it was really Joey Harrington all along. Why do you think they were so close to trading Ramsey to the Bears before he even took a snap with the team?

Ok, now back to the topic at hand

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=Mattyk;824075]What Flacco has done in his first 3 years is impressive, and he's only getting better.

It boggles my mind that anyone could call him junk.[/quote]

I tend to overexagerate, but the sentiment stays the same. I just have high standards, and don't believe him to be a Franchise qb. I really think that if JC was drafted by the ravens, there wouldnt be too much of a difference of the Ravens outcomes. He's good enough to start somewhere, so "junk" maybe not the right word. But no matter what I call him, I still don't want him to be my franchise qb.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=Mattyk;824075]What Flacco has done in his first 3 years is impressive, and he's only getting better.

It boggles my mind that anyone could call him junk.[/quote]


I have watched Flacco a lot especially living in the Baltimore area. He is a good solid QB who has trouble when the game is on the line. Many here had hoped he would be their Manning/Brady. He is not them nor will he ever be.

I honestly beleive he has peaked, he is right now what he will always be a good solid starter in this league but will never be a super star.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=mredskins;824083]I have watched Flacco a lot especially living in the Baltimore area. He is a good solid QB who has trouble when the game is on the line. Many here had hoped he would be their Manning/Brady. He is not them nor will he ever be.

I honestly beleive he has peaked, he is right now what he will always be a good solid starter in this league but will never be a super star.[/quote]

I think he can improve with the speed of his decision making and reading his progressions.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=mredskins;824083]I have watched Flacco a lot especially living in the Baltimore area. He is a good solid QB who has trouble when the game is on the line. Many here had hoped he would be their Manning/Brady. He is not them nor will he ever be.

I honestly beleive he has peaked, he is right now what he will always be a good solid starter in this league but will never be a super star.[/quote]

He's going into his 4th year and you think he's peaked?

Re: sam bradford
 

I think he's a solid QB but he'll never be a SB caliber QB IMO

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=SmootSmack;824076]Not to sidetrack this conversation, but that's not exactly true about #1. Regardless of what Snyder told the WaPo Magazine. Ramsey was not their first choice. Choice #1. Heck 1-3 was Joey Harrington. They tried desperately to move up to get him. When that option failed, they decided they would sit at #18 and wait to see if Donte Stallworth fell to them. When that didn't happen is when they mobilized a trade down with the Patriots to get Ramsey and add picks later in the draft. He can say he "discovered" Ramsey (whatever that means) and that Ramsey was the guy they wanted. But I can tell you first hand it was really Joey Harrington all along. Why do you think they were so close to trading Ramsey to the Bears before he even took a snap with the team?

Ok, now back to the topic at hand[/quote]

Oh yeah, almost forgot how much the Skins loved Freddy Prinz Jr, I mean Joey Harrington in that draft.
[IMG]http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/182228_700b.jpg[/IMG]
Vaguely recall reported interest in Stallworth.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=Mattyk;824095]He's going into his 4th year and you think he's peaked?[/quote]

Yup! Watch I would not be surprised if he took a step back with the lost of Mason and Heap.

Re: sam bradford
 

lol this place cracks me up I swear