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[quote=GusFrerotte;750852]Well, why didn't he put him in then? No matter what Shanny thinks of AH, he is a $100 million asset that needs to be used. I feel a trade is in the works and AH will be used sparingly if at all. Shanahan can say all he wants, talk is cheap. Until I see AH used extensively, I will stand by my thoughts that he is being sit out since he is bait.[/quote]

A trade is in the works? The trade deadline was Tuesday. He can't be traded until the offseason now. He is with this team for the rest of the year, minimum. End of story.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;750852]Well, why didn't he put him in then? No matter what Shanny thinks of AH, he is a $100 million asset that needs to be used. I feel a trade is in the works and AH will be used sparingly if at all. Shanahan can say all he wants, talk is cheap. Until I see AH used extensively, I will stand by my thoughts that he is being sit out since he is bait.[/quote]
Foresight is worse than 50/50.
Hindsight is 20/20.

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Brandon Banks finally breaks a big one for a TD in the punt game, and it would be a great act of football magic to do it in the kickoff game as well. Just to let Chicago know they arent the only one with a return burner in the league.

To be honest I think we give up yards again, but get key turnovers and few sacks.

One thing that scares me about this game. The national media is all over us winning. I dont like that. It is never a good sign when everyone thinks we can win. We have to prove it now that we are a good team and getting a win in Chicago would be a big step in that direction.

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I know sometimes fans get over confident but Im sure Shanny has our team prepared for a tough road game. The Bears have 1 of the better all around RB's in the league in Matt Forte so Im sure they are going to try and run the ball on us like most other teams have. With that said if we don't stop the run game then dont even think we are going to get alot of sacks on Cutler. It seems like we give up at least 1 big run a game on defense. I just hope on offense we can run the ball and score 7 points instead of FG's. Our offense must start fast and get a lead on the Bears which will force them to abandon the run early. We have not played 4 complete qrts this season so lets hope we will get a complete game from the Redskins on the road. We win the turnover battle we have a great chance to come out with a victory. HTTR

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We get to Cutler 3 times, pick him once, but lose by a td

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[quote=CultBrennan59;750893]We get to Cutler 3 times, pick him once, but lose by a td[/quote]

I'll be pissed by that.

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24-17 redskins..
Mcnabb 2 td passes 0 ints
Moss 7 Rec 104 yds 1 td
Torain 22 Car 90 yds TD
HTTR

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[quote=calia;750540]I think the key for us will be sustaining drives more than causing turnovers and sacks (which I suspect we will do). But if we cannot do anything once we get the ball, we leave ourselves open to Forte trying to grind us down and keep our D on the field for a long time. To sustain drives, we need to get something going on the ground to set up the pass (esp. play action), and that will reuqire Torain to play with more discipline than last week. [B]Against the Colts, he was solid, but tried too often to bounce outside the tackles and go for longer yardage, usually to the opposite effect.[/B] Had he stayed with his blockers, he likely would have been more effective. If he does that, I think we can keep the chains moving on offense.

An early lead will be key. We need to get out in front and force the Bears to throw. If we do, we could have a great day. If they do, they can pressure McNabb and try to grind us down with Forte, which has to me their strategy.

While no one should take the Bears lightly, we should win this game and I think we will. It would be nice to having a convincing win for a change, but I will take an ugly one at this point. I predict 22-16 Skins (we get a safety).[/quote]

Agree. He left a lot of yards out there, and maybe we win against the Colts otherwise. I'm sure Shanahan called him out on that this week. It will be interesting to see how he plays this week.

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[quote=mooby;750856]A trade is in the works? The trade deadline was Tuesday. He can't be traded until the offseason now. He is with this team for the rest of the year, minimum. End of story.[/quote]

Offseason my friend. They will bench AH for pretty much the whole season, or they will use him sparingly. They want those draft picks badly and he is the only one that would garner extra picks. I know they can't trade him in 2010, but 2011 after the Pro Bowl they will be on the phone trying to set something up for draft 2011.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;750857]Foresight is worse than 50/50.
Hindsight is 20/20.[/quote]


I am a gambler, and I think he is trade bait unless you see him used extensively tomorrow and throughout the season. THere is no excuse not to. If AH still has an attitude Shanny is going to keep him on the bench and trade him just before the draft or during the draft for picks.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;750905]I am a gambler, and I think he is trade bait unless you see him used extensively tomorrow and throughout the season. THere is no excuse not to. If AH still has an attitude Shanny is going to keep him on the bench and trade him just before the draft or during the draft for picks.[/quote]

Lol, he's worthless as trade bait now. They need to play him as much as possible so they can make AH look more appealing. The price of a 2nd rounder must be met, and there's no way anyone would give one for AH when the other GMs can land a younger stud from the draft.

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Yep, SirCP I completely agree, the only way we get some value out of AH is if he plays very well here going down the stretch. Of course if he does that who knows if he is even traded. Hell he gets a few sacks and the fat man may actually be happy.

Who knows what is going to happen with this clown, but if we don't play him why would anyone give us a can of peas for him. The GMs would all know he is as good as gone by the end of the year anyway, so why not wait and get him in the FA market.

Just my .02.

Now if Vinny Cerrato returns to GM another team we may be able to get 2 1s and 2 2s out of him.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;750904]Offseason my friend. They will bench AH for pretty much the whole season, or they will use him sparingly. They want those draft picks badly and he is the only one that would garner extra picks. I know they can't trade him in 2010, but 2011 after the Pro Bowl they will be on the phone trying to set something up for draft 2011.[/quote]

Uh, sitting him for the rest of the season or playing him sparingly won't increase his trade value, which is what their objective would be if they want to get rid of him after the season. The only way to increase his trade value is to give him plenty of PT and let him improve his value through hard work and good play. They didn't trade him to this point because they weren't getting enough trade value, not because they wanted to keep him on this team out of spite.

I mean why bother continuing to talk about this? Haynesworth is here, and he will play. The only way you won't see him on the field is if he doesn't practice and is inactive, or if he consistently sucks on the field and the coaches pull him.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;750907]Lol, he's worthless as trade bait now. They need to play him as much as possible so they can make AH look more appealing. The price of a 2nd rounder must be met, and there's no way anyone would give one for AH when the other GMs can land a younger stud from the draft.[/quote]


Why would he be worthless? Someone will take him in exchange for mid round picks.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;750911]Why would he be worthless? Someone will take him in exchange for mid round picks.[/quote]

Shanahan has been stubbornly holding to the 2nd rounder or higher price, or so we're told. It takes two make a transaction, and the seller is not willing to accommodate to a certain group of buyers.

Also, I doubt that many buyers want him for more than a 5th rounder. Decreasing production and injury history? Many will say no thanks to coughing up a 3rd or 4th rounder.

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Unless, he can return to some sort of dominance for the rest of the season. Then he becomes a valuable comodity again. The chances are 50 - 50 as to wether this could happen.

I would assume that AH wants to be part of a winning team again and this team has the heart of winners, they just need to fire on all cylinders to accomplish this feat. AH can be an important cylinder in the engine of this teams defense.

If he can start to fire, he would be helpful not only to himself in getting out here but also to the team and being part of a winner.

If he manages to be an intregal part of the team as we make a run at the playoffs in the last 10 games of the season, then it would make the decision of keeping or trading him even harder for MS and BA to make at the end of the year.

There are to many ways this story can still go to make any educated guesses at this point.

The next test for us is the Bears, so lets start there.

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I honestly can't believe how hard it is for some to believe that Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan could co-exist peacefully, and that AH could actually make an impact for this team.

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Throughout the offseason and despite all the turmoil surrounding him, I always wanted him to stay here because of what he brings to the D, and feared what things would look like if he didn't. But I have to say, in the limited amount of time that AH has seen so far, the product has looked bad whether he's in the lineup or not.

One fact in all this AH drama, he is rested and doesn't have much gametime wear and tear this season.

IF everyone gets on the same page, he could be dominant in the second half of the season and that would be good news for us.

At this point that is what every skins fan should be hoping for.

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[quote=mooby;750916]I honestly can't believe how hard it is for some to believe that Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan could co-exist peacefully, and that AH could actually make an impact for this team.[/quote]

Ok, since you obviously directed this response to me, let me remind you of a couple of recent developments that do still leave some sort of hope to AH returning to a dominant form in this defense.

His last game against Philly he played very well, get credited for 4 tackle and 2 critical holding penalties. This performance drew praise from our coach in his press conferences.

The last 2 games he missed, 1st his brother passed away and he was excused from the team for the Green Bay game. The second, he missed the implentation of the game plan on Wednsday and did not get back to the team until the Thursday against a superior opponent in the Colts. (BTW we could have won this football game without AH in the lineup just missed on to many opportunities and lost #5's second favorite target to injury in the 4th) I got into a big debate with PocketsStraight as to why AH was held out of the game and that it was the right decision.

He was finally getting some love from coach before his brother's untimely death. He now has a good week and a half of practice under his belt, and I am sure he will be used once again against the Bears.

So for you, Mooby, unless you know MS or AH personally to say that there is no hope for AH and MS to get along is unfounded. You, just like the rest of us need to see how the rest of the season plays out.

I never made any kind of statement of endorsement towards AH, I just basically stated there is still a possibilty of AH to play well.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;750921]Ok, since you obviously directed this response to me, let me remind you of a couple of recent developments that do still leave some sort of hope to AH returning to a dominant form in this defense.

His last game against Philly he played very well, get credited for 4 tackle and 2 critical holding penalties. This performance drew praise from our coach in his press conferences.

The last 2 games he missed, 1st his brother passed away and he was excused from the team for the Green Bay game. The second, he missed the implentation of the game plan on Wednsday and did not get back to the team until the Thursday against a superior opponent in the Colts. (BTW we could have won this football game without AH in the lineup just missed on to many opportunities and lost #5's second favorite target to injury in the 4th) I got into a big debate with PocketsStraight as to why AH was held out of the game and that it was the right decision.

He was finally getting some love from coach before his brother's untimely death. He now has a good week and a half of practice under his belt, and I am sure he will be used once again against the Bears.

So for you, Mooby, unless you know MS or AH personally to say that there is no hope for AH and MS to get along is unfounded. You, just like the rest of us need to see how the rest of the season plays out.

I never made any kind of statement of endorsement towards AH, I just basically stated there is still a possibilty of AH to play well.[/quote]

Actually AMFHOF, my entire comment was directed toward Gus Frerotte's line of thinking that the 'Skins want to bench Haynesworth or play him sparingly for the entire season so we can trade him after the season is over.

And I'm not saying Haynesworth can't be productive, that was nowhere near close to what I was implying. I actually believe that AH can still be effective and coexist perfectly fine with Shanny, I just don't see why even now some people still think Shanny wants to deal him the first good opportunity he gets.

Do you even realize I would agree with you on most, if not all, points you've listed above? Lol come on man.

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Got ya buddy.... my bad! :)

Disregard the post... it is hard at times to get guys meanings, by just reading a set of words. I took your post as a jab at guys who still think he can be productive and coexist with MS.

BTW I find Gus's comments ridiculous as well. That kind of thinking will not bring any kind of value to AH next offseason.

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Reading comprehension at times can be a weakness on message boards. Now that I actually reread your post I got your meaning!! Doh!

I have been studying business law all night and I think I just wanted to get into a debate..... I feel a little stupid for misunderstanding you. :spank:


:Smoker:

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;750909]Yep, SirCP I completely agree, the only way we get some value out of AH is if he plays very well here going down the stretch. Of course if he does that who knows if he is even traded. Hell he gets a few sacks and the fat man may actually be happy.

Who knows what is going to happen with this clown, but if we don't play him why would anyone give us a can of peas for him. The GMs would all know he is as good as gone by the end of the year anyway, so why not wait and get him in the FA market.

Just my .02.

Now if Vinny Cerrato returns to GM another team we may be able to get 2 1s and 2 2s out of him.[/quote]

Problem is that the Skins no longer have the kind of players Vinny C. loves to have - - Devin Thomas, Chad Rinehart, Colt Brennan, Brandon Lloyd [I]et. al.[/I]

Even with "Vinny the C" on board in another GM job - - not gonna happen by the way until Steven Segall wins an Oscar - - the Skins don't have what he would be shopping for.

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You may be right but we do have a often injured Malcom Kelly that Vinny may want to take a peak at.

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artmonkforhallofamein07 you completely missed moobys point. he pretty much agreed wity everything you said.

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yeah I stated that quake..

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ok lol

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;750920]One fact in all this AH drama, he is rested and doesn't have much gametime wear and tear this season.

IF everyone gets on the same page, he could be dominant in the second half of the season and that would be good news for us.

At this point that is what every skins fan should be hoping for.[/quote]

:headbange

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;750627]Last week, he accrued 120 yards. As I said, he has no TDs, which is why he stinks in fantasy.

It's all about gameplanning. Our linebackers are beatable.[/quote]

120 and 94 were his best games this year. That's not the type of production I'm looking for in my supposed number one.

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[quote=PWNED;750973]120 and 94 were his best games this year. That's not the type of production I'm looking for in my supposed number one.[/quote]

Whoa, I didn't know that you had him as your #1. I only viewed Knox as a hopeful producer who was worth a bench spot...for 3-4 weeks before cutting his ass.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;750904]Offseason my friend. They will bench AH for pretty much the whole season, or they will use him sparingly. They want those draft picks badly and he is the only one that would garner extra picks. I know they can't trade him in 2010, but 2011 after the Pro Bowl they will be on the phone trying to set something up for draft 2011.[/quote]

Ready to re-think this theory?

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It was a war against the bear. We lost some of our own to its mighty claws, but our assault of traps and arrows brought it down with us Redskins victorious.

/lame joke

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^^ Haha... AH had his best game of the year. he played like a man among boys today.

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^ The play where AH used Chris Williams as a prop to take down Cutler should be in the highlight reels.

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[quote=Buster;750203][B]Here's a prediction...Cutler will be EVEN on TDs and INTs after this game.[/B]

Currently, he's at 6 TD, 3 INT (how?).

He started out lucky in Weeks 1/2...5 TDs and 1 INT. Weeks 3-6, 1 TD and 2 INT...missed one game due to a horrible line that Orakpo will ravage.[/quote]

Nice

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Good job Buster.

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[quote=Lotus;751777]^ The play where AH used Chris Williams as a prop to take down Cutler should be in the highlight reels.[/quote]

Hell I don't think AH even touched Cutler. He just threw CW back so hard he knock Cutler down and it was a hard hit on top of that.

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[quote=Buster;750203][SIZE=5]Here's a prediction...Cutler will be EVEN on TDs and INTs after this game.[/SIZE]

Currently, he's at 6 TD, 3 INT (how?).

He started out lucky in Weeks 1/2...5 TDs and 1 INT. Weeks 3-6, 1 TD and 2 INT...missed one game due to a horrible line that Orakpo will ravage.[/quote]

[quote=Mattyk;752042]Nice[/quote]


[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;752046]Good job Buster.[/quote]


I'm not as dumb as I look. :cheeky-sm




[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/jaycutler/profile?id=CUT288111"]Jay Cutler[/URL] 7 TD/7 INT
:food-smil


Incredible job, D-Hall.

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Hey, I missed the play when AH forced a sack or the play everyone's talking about. Anyone, have t?