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Adam S. Just said on espn that he doesn't think any trade will happen

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[quote=12thMan;729115]Being consumed with something and being distracted are two different things. Everytime the Redskins coaching staff spends a moment talking about Haynesworth, everytime a player is asked what he thinks about it all is a distraction in my opinion.

But the larger point here is that the excitement that was buidling following Shanahan and Allen joining the organization has largely been muted by the Haynesworth drama. The fan base's expectation has been a mixed bag. Now we're in wait in see mode.

I will say, however, that a London Fletcher fumble recovery early in the Dallas game will go a long way to erase the negative press and feelings around all of this. A lost to Dallas on the other hand, might have the reverse effect and keep the rumor mill churning for another week or two. Provided that Haynesworth is still on the roster.[/quote]

we're in wait and see mode anyway...with or without ah and his baggage.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;729128]Kenny Britt seems to good to be true in regards to these rumors. I mean you're talking about a 6-3 deep threat coming off of a 700 yard rookie campaign in a run first offense. Still trying to figure out if having Vince Young throwing to him should add to his credibility. On top of that Britt has a rookie contract and no suspension hanging over his head. You trade Haynesworth for Britt straight up and you're basically trading Haynesworth for a first round pick. Again, to good to be true.[/quote]

Hell no I wouldn't do that trade.

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To whoever fixed the thread title, thanks you.

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[quote=Ruhskins;729121]This is from his ESPN 980 interview. Very surprised he said that...esp since this is the guy that said that they could win games without TO.[/quote]

He said it much more in an I'm not going to throw a single guy under the bus type of way than anything else in my opinion

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[quote=Dirtbag359;729124]Assuming you're talking to VJax, in which case it's safe to say the last thing I want him doing is sitting at home drinking anything. The guy already has rumors of being in need of a 12 step program. Two DUI's doesn't help to exactly quell such rumors :D[/quote]

LOL, oh yeah forgot. But in any event he can't show up at the park till after game 3 so he has 3 weeks of learning the play calls/book. Then he can practice which gives him 3 weeks to incorporate what he has learned. Then hit the field like wild fire. ;)

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Jason Reid is reporting that the Skins, as a contingency plan, are working out a current Redskins defensive player (not Kemo) at the NT position but they won't say who.

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[quote=12thMan;729143]Jason Reid is reporting that the Skins, as a contingency plan, are working out a current Redskins defensive player (not Kemo) at the NT position but they won't say who.[/quote]

Heard Shanny mention Carriker playing some NT depending on scheme. Seems small but if we just blitz all of our front 7 who cares. Thats how I play Madden.

jokes, not good ones, but jokes.. other than the AC thing.

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I truly feel these are smokes screens being thrown up to prepare for the dallas game. He is too much of a dominant player to just get rid of now. He may not start sunday, but he will get his share of snaps in.

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Sheft also reported that the titans inquired to the redskins about the trade..

They came to us...so this changes things a little in perspective...

So don't be thinking we went to them and said..."please Titans...please take this malcontent off our team....you're the only one's that want him...please!"

OK?

So Tennessee wants him...we're just asking more than what they want to give...probably like the chargers are wanting more for V-Jac than we want to give...lol (presuming we're the mystery team or not)

If you come to me on a broken down chevy that you have and want to sell to me for a 1000$....I probably won't pay that...

if I go to you and want that broken down chevy REAL bad and you're asking for 1,500...and I don't want to pay that...would I pay a 1000$ for it?

we'll be alright people...

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ESPN just reported that Mcnabb stated"wecant win without him" WTF!!!!

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Conditional 2nd/3rd and 5th is reportedly what's being discussed. You never know with Bruce Allen though. Skins have become masters of the misdirection.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;729154]ESPN just reported that Mcnabb stated"wecant win without him" WTF!!!![/quote]

Now I know he's getting traded..

That's player talk of..."talk him up and keep his value high"...

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;729154]ESPN just reported that Mcnabb stated"wecant win without him" WTF!!!![/quote]

What else is he going to say? As of right now, they're teammates

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We already paid him so we must weight till we can get value for his talent.

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All I know is the Skins players are watching ESPN and listening to talk radio. Philip Daniels just Tweeted about a comment someone made about him on air. All they've been talking about all morning is Haynesworth.

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[quote=SmootSmack;729155]Conditional 2nd/3rd and 5th is reportedly what's being discussed. You never know with Bruce Allen though. Skins have become masters of the misdirection.[/quote]

I'd take that in a heartbeat. That would be a win IMO.

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[quote=SmootSmack;729155]Conditional 2nd/3rd and 5th is reportedly what's being discussed. You never know with Bruce Allen though. Skins have become masters of the misdirection.[/quote]

If that be the case it's a step in the right direction. A decision has to be made either up or down to keep this guy from being a distraction the entire season.

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[quote=Chico23231;729166]I'd take that in a heartbeat. That would be a win IMO.[/quote]


I would take that too.

Get this POS outta here as soon as possible.

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Give me WR Kenny Britt (2009 1st rd pick #30) and a condtional 5th,that can escalate into a 3rd rounder if haynesworth play % of plays or makes pro bowl.

I think this is a fair deal imo...

At his best,Fat al is easily the best DT in football
we obviously want to upgrade the wr core,which his good with me

and all they have to do,is give him limited snaps this season to prevent the 3d rounder happening by less% snaps and no pro bowl...

which means it would be WR kenny britt and a 5th...

This imo..is more than a fair deal...(we could even throw in Roydel..lol)

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I wonder if Daniels is talking about Steve Czaban:

[QUOTE]ThatBoyPhil93

Listening to this talk show and dude named Steve calling me a joke. Line your ass up in front of me and let's fnd out. Watch the damn film.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=SmootSmack;729155]Conditional 2nd/3rd and 5th is reportedly what's being discussed. You never know with Bruce Allen though. Skins have become masters of the misdirection.[/quote]

I would take that deal only if Tennessee also forks out a couple of millions on top of that.

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I believe the 5th round pick is pretty much agreed upon. Titans don't want to give more than a conditional 3rd, Redskins want a guaranteed 2nd. Titans have the upper hand though. I really can't tell what direction this will go

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[quote=SmootSmack;729175]I believe the 5th round pick is pretty much agreed upon. Titans don't want to give more than a conditional 3rd, Redskins want a guaranteed 2nd. Titans have the upper hand though. I really can't tell what direction this will go[/quote]

If this goes through...would we have the ammo to get VJax without additional cost?

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Got this from ES boards and agree with him...

[QUOTE]Originally Posted by TGI Jef
looked through the last couple pages and didnt see it suggested:

albert + 5th rounder for Kenny Britt.

look - is albert a more dominate and proven player than Britt? aboslutely. but 92 has very, very little trade value at this point. if everyone wouldve shut up about all of this from the start, his value would be far, far bigger.

but the fact of the matter is that that didnt happen.

now Britt is benched for not being in shape. 2 headcases with huge talent who need new surrounding.

Titans likely wouldnt do Al for Britt straight up, but Britt looked like a very good WR in the making last year (certainly showed more than any young skins WR so far).

woudlnt be opposed to this. i would love nothing more than for Haynesworth to stay and play the way he is capable of. **** - i would love for him to stay and play to 80% of his ability.

but that just doesnt look like it is going to ever happen, no matter whose fault it may or may not be.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=SmootSmack;729175]I believe the 5th round pick is pretty much agreed upon. Titans don't want to give more than a conditional 3rd, Redskins want a guaranteed 2nd. Titans have the upper hand though. I really can't tell what direction this will go[/quote]


What upper hand? We don't have to do squat.


[B]IMO, [/B]a 3rd and a 5th for AH is a fail. It will drop the quality of our defense instantly if he walks out of here today.

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If the Titans are only willing to deal in draft picks and no players like britt or anyone worth a damn...

I would take no less,than a 2nd rounder...That's just a fact that I believe the redskins think as well...
Titans don't want to do this though...They want him...just not THAT bad...

I personally think the best value in any trade for fat al,is a trade for another player...

Specially with the way we are cutting draft picks as of late...

But if I'm bruce..I'm going after britt hard...no suspension,much younger with great upside...not 6'5",,but 6'3" ain't shabby...and will cost much less than what V-jack wants imo...

Not to mention who knows what the chargers are wanting for V-jack...he's way too risky imo..although very good.

Lets get Kenny Britt Shanny and Allen!!!

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[quote=Ruhskins;729172]I wonder if Daniels is talking about Steve Czaban:[/quote]

Gawd, how I hate Steve Czaban...back to the thread topic at hand

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[quote=Ruhskins;729172]I wonder if Daniels is talking about Steve Czaban:[/quote]

I agree with Phil that the criticism of Daniels is wrong, but telling him to line up against him to prove a point is absurd. By that logic GM's and scouts should be the strongest players in the league. I mean what should we say when a player struggles? 'Oh, he didn't play well today but I can't block him so I should just shut up.' I mean if that was true, ESPN would be oh so boring.

Also, hypothetically speaking. If we traded for VJax could we appeal the other 3 game ban that's been imposed on him for not signing on time?

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A 2/3 and a 5th is fine by me. Surprised we could get that much for him. It's close to a dump but not quite. Plus, it's not like we lost any draft choices trading him. It would be as if we bought the Titans draft picks for 32 million. An expensive way to do things, but cest le' vie.

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Smoot, are you hearing that this deal will have any connection with a VJ trade?

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[quote=Defensewins;729048]I feel the same way. [B]Late in the season when injuries set in, as they always do and we need a stout difference maker on the D line to collaspe the pocket in a critical 3rd down pass play, we might live to regret dumping him.[/B] I am not talking about a big body to clog the middle. Hayensworth fills that role, non of of other DL can run over another top OL.
I want us to be careful not become Vinny Cerrato-like having a million WR's thinking a young WR is the magic pill that will solve all of our problems and no depth at other positions.[/quote]

That makes (by my count) three of us. As much of pain in the ass Albert Haynesworth is, I shudder to think what our run defense is going to look like this year without him. Judging by what we've seen through exhibition, if I'm an opponent of the Redskins this year, all I do is run, run, and run some more. Run it right down their throats.

Then you have to examine what impact his loss will be to the double digit sack totals we had last year with Andre Carter and Brian Orakpo.

Sometimes you have to put up with the talented problem child to win in this league.

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Two of the top three draft picks in this draft were unproven power DT's just like Haynesworth.
These types of players are a commodity and we should give not ours away for a 5th and a 3rd or a 2nd.
I would rather wait and keep him this year and trade him when a team calls desperate to make a playoff push or next off season.
Getting rid of him to make some kind of 'Shanahan is a he-man pound on my chest statement' is stupid and does not make good football and business sense.
The whole distraction thing is over blown.
He is in shape and ready to play. Lets use him.....hell we paid for him, lets get some return. Put our pride a side for a minute.

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People have to remember that Shanny is the man!

he made us throw in a 2nd rounder in the portis/bailey trade.

Shanny is shrewd...We aren't trading fal for a conditional 2048 draft pick...lol

Hell..if anything,it will be the redskins getting Kenny britt,Will witherspoon and a 3rd rounder for fat al....lololol

Just remember that guys...lol

j/k

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There will be a major problem with the D if Big Al gets traded .. however there is already a big problem if he stays .. for all the reasons we have read about, watched on tv, seen in person over the past 6 months it just seems like it needs to end ... i already smell a major problem with the Dallas game this week .. to much Albert talk should be ALL ABOUT BEATING DALLAS AND WE WANT DALLAS ... F' all this noise about Big Al ...

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[quote=Beemnseven;729192]That makes (by my count) three of us. As much of pain in the ass Albert Haynesworth is, I shudder to think what our run defense is going to look like this year without him. Judging by what we've seen through exhibition, if I'm an opponent of the Redskins this year, all I do is run, run, and run some more. Run it right down their throats.

Then you have to examine what impact his loss will be to the double digit sack totals we had last year with Andre Carter and Brian Orakpo.

[B]Sometimes you have to put up with the talented problem child to win in this league.[/B][/quote]

We will be vulnerable if he is dumped for low round picks.
That is exactly right.

Some people may not know but John Riggins was banished from the Jets for being a douchebag flake and he came here and was floundering until Gibbs arrived. Riggins even sat out a year in dispute with the team before Gibbs arived.
Dave Butz never ever participated in any offseason work outs or weight lifting regimen or Kumbaya events even though new coach Gibbs had just showed up and rallied everyone but Butz and Riggins to participate.
By todays' Shanahan standards they would be called malcontents and be black balled. Gibbs accepted them as is and won. There is no right and wrong in dealing with very talented problem childs just right and left.

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As others have stated this defense will siffer with the loss of AH. There is no one on the roster who posseses his skill set.

The run game and pass rush will suffer from this dude being gone.

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[quote=Defensewins;729197]We will be vulnerable if he is dumped for low round picks.
That is exactly right.

Some people may not know but John Riggins was banished from the Jets for being a douchebag flake and he came here and was floundering until Gibbs arrived. Riggins even sat out a year in dispute with the team before Gibbs arived.
Dave Butz never ever participated in any offseason work outs or weight lifting regimen or Kumbaya events even though new coach Gibbs had just showed up and rallied everyone but Butz and Riggins to participate.
By todays' Shanahan standards they would be called malcontents and be black balled. Gibbs accepted them as is and won. There is no right and wrong in dealing with very talented problem childs just right and left.[/quote]


Well said.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;729191]Smoot, are you hearing that this deal will have any connection with a VJ trade?[/quote]

Nope

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[quote=Defensewins;729197]We will be vulnerable if he is dumped for low round picks.
That is exactly right.

Some people may not know but John Riggins was banished from the Jets for being a douchebag flake and he came here and was floundering until Gibbs arrived. Riggins even sat out a year in dispute with the team before Gibbs arived.
Dave Butz never ever participated in any offseason work outs or weight lifting regimen or Kumbaya events even though new coach Gibbs had just showed up and rallied everyone but Butz and Riggins to participate.
By todays' Shanahan standards they would be called malcontents and be black balled. Gibbs accepted them as is and won. There is no right and wrong in dealing with very talented problem childs just right and left.[/quote]

Preach....I'd be, already am, very nervous about lining up Maake at NT for considerable time. From what I saw this summer, he's not ready. Don't know if it's that he's not fully healthy or what but if the Skins do plan on shipping Big Al out I hope they have another plan other than Maake