Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=ethat001;690614]He doesn't even have a big contract to absorb. I just don't get why the Rams just gave him away. Guess they thought they owed Haslett something?[/quote]

They just got far enough into the process that they realized other teams knew Carriker didn't fit into the Rams system and thus realized the Rams had no bargaining power. We may end up in the same boat with Carter, although I think a guy not coming off an injury and having 11 sacks should be worth much more.

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=GoSkins!;690622]They just got far enough into the process that they realized other teams knew Carriker didn't fit into the Rams system and thus realized the Rams had no bargaining power. We may end up in the same boat with Carter,[B] although I think a guy not coming off an injury [/B]and having 11 sacks should be worth much more.[/quote]

Actually he technically is:
[url=http://www.fantasysp.com/player/nfl/Andre_Carter/885189]Redskins OLB/DE Andre Carter (biceps surgery) is already in[/url]
Remember he tore it late during the season.

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=Ruhskins;690584]Still, the Bradford Boners are going to come up with ridiculous stuff between now and then draft...until we make our move. I'm still waiting for the "We can still get Bradford" thread after the Rams pick him up.[/quote]

We should trade Carriker and our #1 to the Rams to move up. :)

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;690528]No research I've ever done suggests that is going to work, but both Shanahan's seem quite convinced that it will. Of course, I would expect nothing less.[/quote]
Have you sent in your resume yet Tripp? ;)

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

WOW!!! We swapped 5th & 7th for a former 1st round pick did i read that correctly?

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;690528]

With that said, our solutions on offense throughout this offseason have appeared to be some combination of the formula (Mike Shanahan's hubris + the 4th overall pick) = wins!! No research I've ever done suggests that is going to work, but both Shanahan's seem quite convinced that it will. Of course, I would expect nothing less.[/quote]

My research suggest that this post is a massive buzz kill :D

[quote=Redskin Warrior;690635]WOW!!! We swapped 5th & 7th for a former 1st round pick did i read that correctly?[/quote]

It would appear that we dropped to 32nd in the 5th round and moved up to first in the 7th round. I guess you could say that our original 5th round pick was like a late 4th rounder but for a first round pick I won't mind taking such a "hit."

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=tryfuhl;690631]Have you sent in your resume yet Tripp? ;)[/quote]Those crazy employers at today's career fair wanted to know where my resume was. I asked them: haven't they heard of me?! I'm kind of a big deal.

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;690636]My research suggest that this post is a massive buzz kill :D



It would appear that we dropped to 32nd in the 5th round and moved up to first in the 7th round. I guess you could say that our original 5th round pick was like a late 4th rounder but for a first round pick I won't mind taking such a "hit."[/quote]

We still have 4 draft picks right?

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;690637]Those crazy employers at today's career fair wanted to know where my resume was. I asked them: haven't they heard of me?! I'm kind of a big deal.[/quote]

do you have many leather bound books?

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

When we drafted Laron Landry, I wanted Carricker. I guess looking at this trade, we did the right thing taking Landry. It looks like they gave us Carriker, for a pack of Snickers. I am still happy we got him. I think he would fit perfectly in a 3-4 at DE.

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=mlmdub130;690639]do you have many leather bound books?[/quote]No, but last night I killed a bear with my hands.

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

Proof that we now have professionals running this team. Great pick. If I recall correctly, alot of mock drafts had us taking Carriker in 2007 at 6th overall (him or Okoye). We got Landry (who I'm still high on) and get Carriker 3 years later for moving down 28 slots in the 5th round.....great job.

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=Son Of Man;690651]Proof that we now have professionals running this team. Great pick. If I recall correctly, alot of mock drafts had us taking Carriker in 2007 at 6th overall (him or Okoye). We got Landry (who I'm still high on) and get Carriker 3 years later for moving down 28 slots in the 5th round.....great job.[/quote]

never thought of it that way. hail!

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;690466]why do we need more picks? we traded our 2nd and got a franchise QB. we traded a 5th for a former 1st rounder who Haslett feels will be an ideal DE in our new 3-4. The only picks this new coaching staff have traded have yielded Day 1 starters. Its rare that 2nd and 5th rounders amount to that.

Its not like years past when we traded 3rd and 4th round picks for TJ Ducket and Brandon Lloyd. Its not like 2008 when we traded a 2nd and 6th for Jason Taylor. We're not just pissing away our picks. Would I like to acquire more picks - hell yes. But if we dont, i'm satisfied that we traded our picks for players who will fit our system and who project to be starters in 2010, 2011, and 2012, at the least.

The only think i'm upset about is using a 3rd rounder on Jarmon. If we had kept the 4-3, it would have been a great move. however, in retrospect, its a completely wasted pick. [B]Jarmon really doesnt fit anywhere in a 3-4 scheme...[/B] I can't beleive we're moving him to OLB.[/quote]

And you base this on what, exactly?

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[quote=Beemnseven;690655]And you base this on what, exactly?[/quote]

If I'm correct, he was regarded more as a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB, but he has the size and speed and now Lou Spanos as a position coach.
Jeremy Jarmon: 6-3, 277 lbs, 4.71
DeMarcus Ware: 6-4, 262lbs, 4.6

It's also only been one season. I think Jarmon was a good pick-up last year. Plus, if he was in the draft this year I think he would easily go in the 2nd rd.

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=franklinhimself;690673]If I'm correct, he was regarded more as a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB, but he has the size and speed and now Lou Spanos as a position coach.
Jeremy Jarmon: 6-3, 277 lbs, 4.71
DeMarcus Ware: 6-4, 262lbs, 4.6

It's also only been one season. I think Jarmon was a good pick-up last year. Plus, if he was in the draft this year I think he would easily go in the 2nd rd.[/quote]

I'll see if I can get a hold of Kiper Jr. to see what he thinks about Jarmon's value in this year's draft.

I've been playing these converted DEs as LBs and they don't have the agility to cover anybody on Madden. We'll look like we're defending the endzone on every play with 7 DLs! Ha!

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=franklinhimself;690673]If I'm correct, he was regarded more as a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB, but he has the size and speed and now Lou Spanos as a position coach.
Jeremy Jarmon: 6-3, 277 lbs, 4.71
DeMarcus Ware: 6-4, 262lbs, 4.6

It's also only been one season. I think Jarmon was a good pick-up last year. Plus, if he was in the draft this year I think he would easily go in the 2nd rd.[/quote]

Although Jarmon is a fine player and you likely are right about his going in the 2nd round, if Jarmon doesn't fit a 3-4 in the long term then he was an unintentionally wasted pick. I'm not saying he won't, I'm just saying "if." They say he's lost weight from the 277 lbs. you mentioned. Maybe he'll gain speed from the weight loss.

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=diehard;690676]I'll see if I can get a hold of Kiper Jr. to see what he thinks about Jarmon's value in this year's draft.
[/quote]

That would be something I'd be VERY interested to hear. Now that I think about it Scouts Inc most likely gave Jarmon a grade last year so that should give us an idea of his overall value as a prospect.

Jarmon Evaluation
 

Bastard McShay didn't give him a final overall grade:
[IMG]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o99/milrenkb/Jarmon.jpg[/IMG]

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With Orakpo saying that he will be playing mostly on the right side at OLB (via an interview), it looks like Jarmon may work out well playing on the left side OLB. The grading from Scouts Inc., shown by Dirtbag, seems to support the transition.

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

I honestly don't get this move. Why are we trading for other teams' 1st round draft busts? Because Haslett is familiar with him? That's it?

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=Beemnseven;690690]I honestly don't get this move. Why are we trading for other teams' 1st round draft busts? Because Haslett is familiar with him? That's it?[/quote]

He's not your typical first round bust. From what I hear he has a very prototypical skillset to be a 3-4 DE, and the good news is this time around people won't ask him to get a bunch of sacks to be considered productive rather he'll be asked to distract blockers, play hard against the run, and get a strong push inside on passing downs, all task he's capable of performing.

[quote]2009 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 70 | Key


Comment: Carriker suffered an ankle injury last season and was moved from NT to UT where he could be a better fit going forward. Carriker has good size and strength with good quickness. He can be physical playing the run. He has enough strength to control the center and keep LBs free from behind. He reacts well and shows good effort and toughness. He is quick enough to penetrate and disrupt blocking schemes but tends to play slightly upright where he can get washed inside at times. Athletically he has good agility. He can sink his weight and locate the ball quick inside. As a pass rusher he is active inside but needs to refine his up field moves. He can create the inside push when he reverts to the power rush but is missing the quick burst to clear at this time. His ability to combine his moves needs developing. Overall, an active, intense player inside whose second season production was affected by injury during the year.
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I think he will make a solid 5 tech.

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=Beemnseven;690690]I honestly don't get this move. Why are we trading for other teams' 1st round draft busts? Because Haslett is familiar with him? That's it?[/quote]

He fills a need, he comes for basically peanuts, and by all accounts he'll finally play in a system that suits him as a player. What else is there to get?

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;690693]He's not your typical first round bust. From what I hear he has a very prototypical skillset to be a 3-4 DE, and the good news is this time around people won't ask him to get a bunch of sacks to be considered productive rather he'll be asked to distract blockers, play hard against the run, and get a strong push inside on passing downs, all task he's capable of performing.[/quote]

Okay, that's somewhat encouraging. Probably wasn't scouted properly, or perhaps was a reach. He's just one of those DEs you can't have any expectation of getting to the quarterback -- basically like Philip Daniels.

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=Beemnseven;690701]Okay, that's somewhat encouraging. Probably wasn't scouted properly, or perhaps was a reach. He's just one of those DEs you can't have any expectation of getting to the quarterback -- basically like Philip Daniels.[/quote]

I have no problem with that, but with AH at RDE most QB's blindside you know he's getting to the QB and when he get's double & tripple teamed Carriker will get some sacks as will the NT.

HTTR.

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

Put him beside RAK, i think he'll be ok

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

I still want more draft picks.

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

well maybe shanny can tell him that if he gets more than 2 sacks something is wrong

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

Low risk move, don't see what's to hate here

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

How many d linemen do we have now? 20?

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

Best move I've seen the Front Office pull off in years.

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

We got a first round talent for a 5th. name one DE who is projected in that round that you would rather have. Playing for the Rams can have that affect on anyones career.

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=DBUCHANON101;690716]We got a first round talent for a 5th. name one DE who is projected in that round that you would rather have. Playing for the Rams can have that affect on anyones career.[/quote]

Its worth it but just seems weird STL would be willing to give that up like that.

It stinks a bit on their end. I mean they are only getting 30 picks higher in the 5th. What is their incentive? Its not like he is a big salary guy right now either.

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

Has anyone mentioned yet that Vinny would have given a third and a fourth for Carriker.

I'm sure they must have?

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[quote=skinsnut;690713]How many d linemen do we have now? 20?[/quote]

I was exadurating...then I looked...
We now have 16 folks on the squad that had played Dline....some are listed as LBs, some DT, some DE, some NT....Carriker is not on the roster yet...he is #16...the funny part is if we are going to a 3-4...we only have 3 starting slots for these 16 players...of course you may play as many as 2 at LB...but come on.

We have 5 slots on Oline...I like the move...I just wish we were pulling this off on the oline.

The Dline was its most successful in years last year, why fix what is broken and ignore the real problem....I guess we'll know in a few days what the plan is on oline...years of redskins frustration has made me a bit synical I guess.

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=hooskins;690717]Its worth it but just seems weird STL would be willing to give that up like that.

It stinks a bit on their end. I mean they are only getting 30 picks higher in the 5th. What is their incentive? Its not like he is a big salary guy right now either.[/quote]

Well the guys who are running the Rams now are not the same guys who were running the team when Carriker was drafted. He didn't fit into their plans

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

Things change and teams go in a different direction. What did the SKins give to get JC? And now they are ready to trade him for a pack of juicy fruit. Latest word he may be released.

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[quote=skinsnut;690720]I was exadurating...then I looked...
We have 5 slots on Oline...I like the move...I just wish we were pulling this off on the oline.

The Dline was its most successful in years last year, why fix what is broken and ignore the real problem....I guess we'll know in a few days what the plan is on oline...years of redskins frustration has made me a bit synical I guess.[/quote]

I've said it before, but my guess is they are going to address the O-line aggressively during & immediately after the draft, when the teams who draft O-linemen then shed their existing older O-linemen.. And can anyone say Flozell...

Plus, hopefully McNabb makes our O-line look a little better. Okung will help too.

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;690510]Did anyone out there seriously think that Shanahan was brought in here to "rebuild"?


Rebuilding doesn't exist in the NFL. That is a euphimism that teams like Buffalo and Tampa Bay use to say that they have given up and they are just going to collect TV revenue.[/quote]

Looks like he has rebuilt the Redskins to me! He just skipped the 3 year plan in place of the 3 month plan.