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[quote=Lotus;592337]Zorn strikes me as someone who overthinks everything and thus comes up with wrong answers sometimes. He needs to chill.[/quote]

Completely agree Lotus. I mentioned this in another thread. It doesn't need to be rocket science, he needs to stop outsmarting himself and keep it simple. When it comes to the redzone, he's complicating it more than it needs to be.

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[quote=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;592314]I'm officially waiting on Mike Shanahan to come on in and fix this offense right away. He will completely change this offense into a scoring machine. I thought Zorn would be alright but he does not have a clue. It just make me wonder if Campbell is the problem with the offense. Maybe Campbell is not showing that he knows the playbook good enough to call certain plays. Just a guess! We have too much talent on both sides of the ball to be mediocre. We need to start a petition to get rid of Zorn and Blache. If I see our cornersback play 10 yards again on a 3rd and 5 again I will completely lose it.[/quote]

The defense gave up 7 and got a crucial turnover. That's the least of our worries.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;592238]I have three things I'm deeply concerned about...

1) Playcalling.
2) Opponnent's third down conversion rate.
3) We really haven't gotten a great pass rush. AH is GREAT against the run in the middle, but neither Carter nor Orakpo are getting a lot.[/quote]

Carter is getting some good pressures though, better than nothing

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Can someone tell me how an NFL team has one freakin running play? I mean we don't sweep, trap, counter. Where is the Al Saunders sweep play??? lol.

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[quote=Mattyk72;591936]I know Zorn is gonna catch a lot of heat this week but Moss and Sellers flat out ruined two scoring opportunities. That shouldn't be overlooked.[/quote]

Hold up, If your talking about Sellers and the pass thrown his way? I doubt he would have made the end zone, but even saying that JC threw the ball way to hard. The ball went in and out of Sellers hands due to JC simply blasting the ball everywhere. JC needs to learn not to blast the ball when his WR's are within 15 yrds of him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;592363]Can someone tell me how an NFL team has one freakin running play? I mean we don't sweep, trap, counter. Where is the Al Saunders sweep play??? lol.[/quote]

Not a fan of sweeps in the pros, but we do need traps and counters.

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Am I the only one that noticed that when ever a team starts showing the blitz, and JC audibles the play never works.

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[quote=GTripp0012;592354][B]Well, there's Brett Favre for one.[/B]

The Lions defense is more professional than last year, but the offense is worse and they don't have the pass rush to make the game changing plays.

I don't expect a team playing Chad Rinehart in his first career start to light up the scoreboard, but we're not a particularly ideal matchup for the Lions.

[B]Part of the not being able to score problem is being ahead for most of the game. Less urgency. So it's not even a sign of futility really, it's just more of an annoying occurrence that leaves bad opponents in the game into the 4th quarter[/B][/quote]

Brett Favre? How so?

You think one of the problems on offense is simply their mindset?

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[quote=Beemnseven;592370]Brett Favre? How so?

You think one of the problems on offense is simply their mindset?[/quote]Well, if I was going to try to snap an 18 game losing streak, I'd probably want Favre throwing passes on the other team.

I think their mindset of "it's okay if we come away with three" is a problem. Not as bad as the execution in the red zone has been, but that's a luck factor to an extent. Why can we run between the 20's and not in the red zone? Doesn't make any sense.

I'd also like to see us avoid the 1st and goal situations altogether sometimes. Got second and 6 at the 14? Throw the thing in the end zone.

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Bottom line is if anyone is happy with this offense, they need to get their head examined. I dont care how many long drives, what JC completion percentage is, what Zorn is calling, blah blah blah ect...This was against argueably the worse team in the league and we couldnt score. To win in this league we need to get the ball in the end zone. Just check our division. Sh*t even the Eagles were putting the ball in the end zone with a pretty bad QB today. Everybody is responsible. In my opinion the offense hasnt score a legitimate touchdown so far. Zorn should give up the play calling if this crap doesnt change in the next couple games.

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[quote=Chico23231;592405]Bottom line is if anyone is happy with this offense, they need to get their head examined. I dont care how many long drives, what JC completion percentage is, what Zorn is calling, blah blah blah ect...This was against argueably the worse team in the league and we couldnt score. To win in this league we need to get the ball in the end zone. Just check our division. Sh*t even the Eagles were putting the ball in the end zone with a pretty bad QB today. Everybody is responsible. In my opinion the offense hasnt score a legitimate touchdown so far. Zorn should give up the play calling if this crap doesnt change in the next couple games.[/quote]
Man, we did not even score enough field goals.

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[quote=SBXVII;592365]Hold up, If your talking about Sellers and the pass thrown his way? I doubt he would have made the end zone, but even saying that JC threw the ball way to hard. The ball went in and out of Sellers hands due to JC simply blasting the ball everywhere. JC needs to learn not to blast the ball when his WR's are within 15 yrds of him.[/quote]

You gotta be kidding, the ball hits you in the hands you have to catch the damn ball....PERIOD!!!! So we complain when Campbell under/over throws someone, and now your making excuses for the receiver because he throws the ball too hard, what a joke!!!

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[quote=Chico23231;592405]Bottom line is if anyone is happy with this offense, they need to get their head examined. I dont care how many long drives, what JC completion percentage is, what Zorn is calling, blah blah blah ect...This was against argueably the worse team in the league and we couldnt score. To win in this league we need to get the ball in the end zone. Just check our division. Sh*t even the Eagles were putting the ball in the end zone with a pretty bad QB today. Everybody is responsible. In my opinion the offense hasnt score a legitimate touchdown so far. Zorn should give up the play calling if this crap doesnt change in the next couple games.[/quote]

I don't think anyone is happy with our offense.

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[quote=Chico23231;592405]Bottom line is if anyone is happy with this offense, they need to get their head examined. I dont care how many long drives, what JC completion percentage is, what Zorn is calling, blah blah blah ect...This was against argueably the worse team in the league and we couldnt score. To win in this league we need to get the ball in the end zone. Just check our division. Sh*t even the Eagles were putting the ball in the end zone with a pretty bad QB today. Everybody is responsible. In my opinion the offense hasnt score a legitimate touchdown so far. [B]Zorn should give up the play calling[/B] if this crap doesnt change in the next couple games.[/quote]

That's not going to happen. If Zorn willingly gives up playcalling then he'd be signing his own pink slip.

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My bigger problem in the red zone than the plays is the personnel packages that Zorn is using. On several occasions inside the 10, Zorn took Kelly out of the game. You have got to be kidding. Kelly is only our biggest target, and supposedly has the best hands on the team. He should NEVER be out of the game when we're inside the opponent's 10.

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[quote=SouperMeister;592447]My bigger problem in the red zone than the plays is the personnel packages that Zorn is using. On several occasions inside the 10, Zorn took Kelly out of the game. You have got to be kidding. Kelly is only our biggest target, and supposedly has the best hands on the team. He should NEVER be out of the game when we're inside the opponent's 10.[/quote]

I really really agree with this. Take out Moss before Kelly.

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[quote=roth74va;592419]You gotta be kidding, the ball hits you in the hands you have to catch the damn ball....PERIOD!!!! So we complain when Campbell under/over throws someone, and now your making excuses for the receiver because he throws the ball too hard, what a joke!!![/quote]

Don't even waste your time. Some people are going to complain and blame Campbell for anything and everything.

More concerning is that of the 'cupcakes' we have ahead on our schedule, each one of them (Detroit-13, Bucs-20, Panthers-20, Chiefs-10) all outscored us today. Instead of them being the marks on our schedule, we just became marks on theirs! I'm expecting an ugly Halloween season around the Zorn household. The 'bye' week may have a dual meaning.

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Campbell needs to save Zorn from himself and start calling audibles at the line.

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[quote=wilsowilso;592451]I really really agree with this. Take out Moss before Kelly.[/quote]

If you put in Kelly, Thomas, Mitchell and Cooley in a 4 WR spread don't you think that may open up some running lanes as well as passing opportunities?!? Nah, let's go 4 TE and run the stretch!

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[quote=SBXVII;592365]Hold up, If your talking about Sellers and the pass thrown his way? I doubt he would have made the end zone, but even saying that JC threw the ball way to hard. The ball went in and out of Sellers hands due to JC simply blasting the ball everywhere. JC needs to learn not to blast the ball when his WR's are within 15 yrds of him.[/quote]

You've gotta be joking that was a completely catchable ball

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[quote=Mattyk72;592466]You've gotta be joking that was a completely catchable ball[/quote]

You gotta understand...even when it's not JC's fault, it still is to these guys.

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[quote=Mattyk72;592362]Carter is getting some good pressures though, better than nothing[/quote]

Yeah, but for as good as Orkapo looked in the preseason, he's been invisible thus far 2 weeks in. Maybe we should let him play his natural position. Only we could screw up a prospect like Orakpo.

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[quote=GMScud;592478]Yeah, but for as good as Orkapo looked in the preseason, he's been invisible thus far 2 weeks in. Maybe we should let him play his natural position. Only we could screw up a prospect like Orakpo.[/quote]

My guess is that Orakpo is still getting used to the speed of the game, which is much faster in the regular season than it is in preseason. Patience please. If he is still invisible around Thanksgiving, then we can have this discussion.

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[quote=Lotus;592483]My guess is that Orakpo is still getting used to the speed of the game, which is much faster in the regular season than it is in preseason. Patience please. If he is still invisible around Thanksgiving, then we can have this discussion.[/quote]

Look, I've been skeptical of changing his position since before he was drafted. Stud defensive prospects like him usually start contributing early and often. I just don't like what I've seen (nothing) from him thus far. He's mediocre in coverage and not getting to the QB. I think he'll come around, but you can't help but wonder how he'd be doing as a full time DE. The guy is strong as an ox. I'm not sure he'd be struggling against the run as much as some assume.

While he's "getting used to the speed of the game," our defense is having the same problems as last year as far as QB pressure, or lack thereof. In addition to not being able to get off the field on 3rd down....

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[quote=Lotus;592483]My guess is that Orakpo is still getting used to the speed of the game, which is much faster in the regular season than it is in preseason. Patience please. If he is still invisible around Thanksgiving, then we can have this discussion.[/quote]

Orakpo was hurrying Bulger out there...he had a pretty big mistake with that PF penalty though. I'm sure he'll learn.

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I think they're afraid of two guys who aren't good at stopping the run at both ends -- Carter and Orakpo -- full time.

On passing down Orakpo should be at his natural position absolutely.

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Ultimate optimism, we're in a 3 way tie for 2nd!

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[quote=Paintrain;592520]Ultimate optimism, we're in a 3 way tie for 2nd![/quote]

Well at least our starting QB and RB are healthy (crossing fingers) unlike in Philly, and Campbell didn't throw 4 INTs in a home game like Tony Turnover.

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[quote=SBXVII;592365]Hold up, If your talking about Sellers and the pass thrown his way? I doubt he would have made the end zone, but even saying that JC threw the ball way to hard.[/quote]

Are you working on some kind of football related comedic routine?

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[quote=Ruhskins;592523]Well at least our starting QB and RB are healthy (crossing fingers) unlike in Philly, and Campbell didn't throw 4 INTs in a home game like Tony Turnover.[/quote]
Barber looked like he popped a quad muscle tonight in the 4th.

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[quote=GMScud;592478]Yeah, but for as good as Orkapo looked in the preseason, he's been invisible thus far 2 weeks in. Maybe we should let him play his natural position. Only we could screw up a prospect like Orakpo.[/quote]

Rak had some good pressure at the end to seal the deal

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Here's my take on the game, although I missed almost first half of the game..

Pretty much same thing you guys said about Zorn's play calling.. It's so predictable, that even we, fans could figure it out all the way.. Everyone knows we would always run to our left side, we need to start to learn how to trust Heyer and whoever, Reinhart or Montgomery, takes over.. Experiences will teach them.. Or at least give them some help with Cooley and Fred.. For god's sake, use play actions with them on the field.. Either one of them will overmatch with the opponent man, use their athleticism.. Let's hope he knows where to work on this week, good thing it's only 2nd game..

It's very disappointing to hear this stuff about Moss.. I have always admired him for his speed.. If Moss continues this through out the season, Zorn should try and sub Moss for Thomas few plays sometimes.. Give it few chances, Thomas has the talents to do it.. We just need to put balls in his hands sometimes.. Michell has to come in few times too, to see what happens when he has ball in his hands.. He took advantages of his chances in the preseason; I don't see any reason not to try him out few times, other than blocking.. He's tall and speedy receiver, we have to develop him now.. This links to Zorn, once again.. He needs to learn how to try different things with different players, they all have talents - find a way to use them..

I loved how Zorn changes up our RBs.. I'm expecting this to continue through out the season, Portis would still have some in tank at the ending of season..

As for defense, I didn't see anything special.. Although our secondary is quickly becoming our weakness.. This is not good news at all, we shelled out big buck to Hall, right when we should have put that money into Rogers.. We are lucky to have Horton, I believe.. He and Rogers are what's keeping this secondary up.. D-line, they are starting to move it around a little bit, but I think we still could do more than that..

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Danny has to be licking his chops Shanahan, Cowher, Billick, Holmgren on the market. I bet Danny sitting by the phone saying to himself keep on fu**ing up Zorn.

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[quote=Mattyk72;592362]Carter is getting some good pressures though, better than nothing[/quote]

It's true, maybe my beef is with the secondary. Are we missing Springs THAT much? It's basically the same secondary that dominated last year and this year we're getting bitched on almost every third down.

Even though Carter is getting good pressure, I was just thinking we'd see a few more sacks with the addition of Haynesworth and Orakpo. :(

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;591934]Isn't Holmgren still out there as a GM or HC, maybe we keep Zorn as OC and Holmgren helps get him straight.[/quote]

I was thinking that just the other day. The turnover wouldn' be that bad because he probably runs some of the same plays Holmgren did at Seatlle. Holmgren just called a better game. Bring n Holmgren and knock Zorn down to QB coach or coordinator?

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[quote=Kalisto2010;592036]Bugel taking over is the best idea I've heard all day. I've always wanted him to be the Redskins coach.[/quote]

Buges is not the answer so stop fooling yourself. He has his hands full now with Randy Thomas going down.

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[quote=Paintrain;592169]I didn't see any of the game today since I was traveling and have only seen some highlights but it's disappointing to see that we squeaked one out vs. the awful Rams and some of the same play calling questions remain. When SS and Matty, two of the more level headed posters when it comes to panic and change are advocating making a move, that gets my attention.

I don't think Zorn has it. I'll say it and stand behind it, he's over his head. Some people have it, some don't. I honestly believe that if Shanahan came in during the season, he'd be able to pick up where things are, put JC in the no huddle/shotgun as the base offense and we'd see a difference immediately.[/quote]
I will say this if you did not see the game than refrain from making any judgements about Jim Zorn and him not having it. He didnt fumble in the red zone ( Moss) He didn't drop a TD pass ( Sellers) He did not get a roughing the pass call ( Orakpo or Jarmon) when we just recovered a Rams fumble in Rams territory. It requires a total team effort to win games in the NFL. Zorn needs to be more agressive in the Red Zone and let Jason make a decision with the ball. He has to trust his QB with the Rock.

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;592283]No matter what, I think we still play to the level of our opponent.[/quote]

It very well appears to be some Truth to this.

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[quote=SouperMeister;592447]My bigger problem in the red zone than the plays is the personnel packages that Zorn is using. On several occasions inside the 10, Zorn took Kelly out of the game. You have got to be kidding. Kelly is only our biggest target, and supposedly has the best hands on the team. He should NEVER be out of the game when we're inside the opponent's 10.[/quote]

I agree we had 1 WR and 2TE sets trying to run the ball when our O-line got no push. Lets try spreading them out 4wr wide and let JC make the play or QB draw.

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Zorn had guts and confidence to go for it on 4th and 1. If we make it we run the clock out and maybe punch it in. This would be confidence for our entire offense. If we don't make it they have no time outs and must get to our 30 yard line for a fg shot. Our O-Line was given the chance to make a statement that we can blow people off the ball to win the game. Well the O-line got stuffed and we could not get 1 yard. You have to be able to run the ball in the red Zone to be a successfull running team. If you cant get 1 yard than what does that say about our O-line ? I guess we are not physical enough up front and thats why we dont get the long runs very often. Where is Big Mike Williams when you need him. Oh Sellers got his contract extention but his blocking was suspect today.