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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;559487]Okay. Is JC in the last year of his contract? Is ARE a full time QB? I honestly think we should cut him if we could and it wouldn't cost us any money. He would play QB. He could sit for one season behind Campbell. Then at theend of the season he should be in shape or before then. I think he would improve us dramatically. Because he can throw the long ball and he is a threat to run. So it causes defense to respect our offense. I am rooting for JC but it would be nice to have Vick as a back up this season...But as far as what position he plays. QB. After he gets back in shape. If Jason doesn't do his thing. We have Vick getting and getting ready to play. By the end of the season or next season.[/quote]

+1

I think JC is gonna have a good year and earn a contract.
But, there is always the possibility that JC could leave on his own [I]or[/I] that JC [I]doesn't[/I] have a good enough season by [I]Synder's [/I]standards and is gone after this season.

I was a huge fan of Vick, i lived in ATL for 2 years and watched a bunch of Vick's games and the kid can play.
He wasn't the best passer but converted alot of 3rd downs and was one of the most deadly players in the open field ever.
Vick presence was big help in the run game, the threat of a Vick bootleg is enough to keep the backside end/LB honest and prevent them from making plays in the run game. (But, i digress)
I think Vick could become a better passer, it never seemed that he was getting top level coaching at the QB position, and i think Zorn could work wonders with him.

I think Vick makes sense as a back-up QB with a team that has a proven system, a good QB coach, a strong HC and a patient owner.

I think Vick could catch on somewhere, i would like to see him come here, but i don't know if we're the best fit for him.

If Synder is gonna commit to Zorn then i think Vick could work here an insurance policy for a JC injury or if JC leaves.

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First and foremost, I think the redskins need to establish the quarterback position. I personnally would invest the time and money in Vick, because he will be on the field trying to prove he deserves to be there and plus to attract a future mult-million dollar contract. The redskins cannot wait till midseason to see if Campbell will produce. They must decide now, will it be Campbell or Vick.

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[quote=dmek25;559377]how come people are more willing to accept a druggie, over an animal abuser? just wondering[/quote]

The dog isn't given a choice whether it wants to fight.

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The chances of Vick coming here is pretty slim, so I'm guessing the decision has already been made.

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[quote=REDSKINS1980;559584]First and foremost, I think the redskins need to establish the quarterback position. I personnally would invest the time and money in Vick, because he will be on the field trying to prove he deserves to be there and plus to attract a future mult-million dollar contract. The redskins cannot wait till midseason to see if Campbell will produce. They must decide now, will it be Campbell or Vick.[/quote]

Welcome to the board...your post doesn't make sense

They must establish the quarterback position. I agree...but how do they expect to establish it by deciding to drop Campbell and invest in Vick when, as you state, he will be trying prove he deserves to be there and attract a future multi-million dollar contract. Isn't that basically what's going on with Campbell this year?

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[quote=REDSKINS1980;559584]First and foremost, I think the redskins need to establish the quarterback position. I personnally would invest the time and money in Vick, because he will be on the field trying to prove he deserves to be there and plus to attract a future mult-million dollar contract. The redskins cannot wait till midseason to see if Campbell will produce. They must decide now, will it be Campbell or Vick.[/quote]
From a strictly football perspective, look at Campbell's QB rating and the progression over the last three years, then look at Vick's QB rating over his last 3 years playing.

P.S. Before there are any more "Snyder is an idiot" posts, please read the quoted post and be thankful Skins1980 isn't the owner.

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I agree with you that this is probably Campbell's most important year. And he will have all the tools needed to be a successful quarterback. (line, receivers, and an elite running back). But to be honest with you, dont you think if he was going to get a contract. He would have gotten it by now. To show some kind of confidence in him as our franchise quarterback.

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[quote=REDSKINS1980;559589]I agree with you that this is probably Campbell's most important year. And he will have all the tools needed to be a successful quarterback. (line, receivers, and an elite running back). But to be honest with you, dont you think if he was going to get a contract. He would have gotten it by now. To show some kind of confidence in him as our franchise quarterback.[/quote]

I can see your point there, I just don't think that the way to establish the QB position is to dump Campbell for basically another project, especially such a project as Vick.

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I agree that is no way to do it, but the skins need to stop wishing for that hall of fame rookie quarterback to come in and lead the team to a superbowl. We must make a decision on our franchise quarterback and drive with it.

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[quote=Zerohero;559080]Would love to see him here. Watched him live in highschool, followed him in college and enjoyed watching him in the pros. However i dont see how he would fit in our system and Zorn has pretty much gone on record saying he wouldn't even consider the wildcat offense.

While i don't believe in dogfighting we all know he was used as an example and has certainly paid his dues. Tempted to go drive by his house, idk feel like a stalker haha.[/quote]

I don't understand why Zorn wouldn't utilize the Wildcat offense. It has been really successful and we'd fly if we had vick running it 10-15 plays a game. Just think, that's 10-15 plays Portis isn't having to grind it out throughout the season which means he'll be fresher for the playoff stretch.
I'm not much of a Vick fan but his talent and speed in undeniable. It will be interesting to see how he bounces back after coming out of jail (mike tyson's fall comes to mind). But I'd much rather sign him and hope for the best as opposed to let Jerry Jones (or anyone else on our schedule for that matter) sign him and cut him loose on us.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;559495]This thread is about him coming to skins, so were comparing him to Campbell and Colt. [B]Even then hes not a good fit. [/B]

Thats what im sayin,[B] he isnt better than what we already have [/B]so there is no need to bring that baggage to D.C[/quote]

I'll agree that I'm totally not sure if he's a good fit for our system. Although I'm not sure if he's not. When MV was first in Atlanta he was so I thought in some form of the "Run and Shoot" under Reeves and possibly Jim Mora. I think he only had a few yrs under the WCO style when they were trying to make him more of a pocket passer. So I'm not sure how well he will do and not sure if this style of WCO will work for him.

I will not deny he has talent. The question is has he lost any of his abilities while locked up not practicing and if so how soon could he get that back if he can at all, but he won't know unless he tries. Now who best to work with him on his technique other then Zorn? From a player stand point. It's like wanting to work with Buges if your a lineman.

To say he's not better then what we already have is an understatement. I believe no one would say Collins is better then MV. and at this point Colt is still rough around the edges so MV may even be better then him talent wise.

I would see no reason to not bring him in and let Zorn work with him. Let him play during preseason to see what he has. If he's better then TC then let TC go and keep MV. If he's not any better then cut MV. If nothing else it gives MV a chance to show other teams if he can cut it or not and perhaps get picked up by another team if we cut him. No harm, No foul.

and...what other bagage does he bring other then him being scrutinized about his dog issues? Drugs? hopefully that issue is resolved also with him being in prison and with him on probation hopefully he has to have random piss tests. So I'm confused as to what other bagage people keep refering to? People brought up him flicking off the fans but if I'm not mistaken it was around the time he was being looked at in the dog issue and fans were probably a little ugly about the issue. No different then on here.

I like the fact that Gibbs has the team looking at high character people now but not looking at people talent wise and trying to make the team better won't get you to the SB any quicker. Sometimes you have to take a chance on someone even if you have to put some extra stipulations in the contract to controll them.

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vick probably won't get more than the league minimum. I'd invest that in a talent like Vick. His speed alone could mean the difference of at least one win, maybe more. Think how tired he'd make the Giants and Cowboys defensive line and then we ram Portis down there throats.
And I just want to make one thing clear, Campbell should and will be the starting qb even if Vick were signed. But if I were Zorn, I'd find a way to get Vick on the field.

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[quote=REDSKINS1980;559589]I agree with you that this is probably Campbell's most important year. And he will have all the tools needed to be a successful quarterback. (line, receivers, and an elite running back). But to be honest with you, dont you think if he was going to get a contract. He would have gotten it by now. To show some kind of confidence in him as our franchise quarterback.[/quote]

OFF TOPIC, but
I think our OL and Receivers are still weak spot going into this season.

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[quote=30gut;559635]OFF TOPIC, but
I think our OL and Receivers are still weak spot going into this season.[/quote]


As of right now I would have to agree with you only because there is still no proof the people we have will step up. We all are hoping they will, but I think they are making great strides to improve those situations. Thomas working out with JC and staying after practice to get extra time working on routes and timing I think again "hopefully" will solve the problem atleast giving us one more talented WR and if Kelly steps up then two. I think Davis is making strides to improve also. Then you have to look at all the WR's brought in since the draft. I'm pretty happy with the talent being brought in and what our two last yr are trying to accomplish.

Then there's the O-line. I think getting Dockery back will solidify the left side of the line. Our only concern should be from Center to right. I honestly think the team is planning to put Williams in at RT no matter how heavy he is. I think they have him working out with Buges to get his technique down and if he's fast enough in preseason then he's our fix for that position and Heyer and Jansen will be fighting to either be back ups or Guards. Then we picked up Bridges who already is a solid Guard and actually is pretty big size wise. With these additions I think the line will be a lot bigger and healthier and will be a lot harder to push around. I doubt they do it but could you see a defensive goal line of AH and Williams clogging the center part of the line.

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Why would the Skins want another ineffective QB? Especially one with an image problem.

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NO!

I wont watch a game that he's dressed as a Redskin. Not one.

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^Then enjoy dancing witht he stars or the AFC games. ;)

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wow, didn't think I would see so many excuses for this clown. Why should anyone have to be accountable for their actions. And that whole "did the time" shit, seriously, let's be realistic. If you're a felon, you're pretty much a piece of shit in society's eyes. Hope that doesn't break any hearts.

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I was listening to the JT show today and everyone was calling in saying they want Vick :doh:. God some of the people who support this team are really stupid.

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I did go fishing behind his home on the James River in Suffolk Monday in my boat. I also saw several people fishing behind his house from shore and wondered if having people catching and probably keeping fish could be against his parol. He is not living in this home but he does own it.

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[quote=hooskins;559683]I was listening to the JT show today and everyone was calling in saying they want Vick :doh:. God some of the people who support this team are really stupid.[/quote]


It's hard to be a home town fan sometimes. For just that reason. I feel like i'm surrounded by idiots that only on game day agree with me. Atleast i can come on the Warpath and seek and find similar sentiments about my team. For those of you out there that feel exactly as i do about everything, i applaud you. :)

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[quote=firstdown;559706]I did go fishing behind his home on the James River in Suffolk Monday in my boat. I also saw several people fishing behind his house from shore and wondered if having people catching and probably keeping fish could be against his parol. He is not living in this home but he does own it.[/quote]

How would people fishing off the shore of his house violate his parole?

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If he can improve on his accuracy issues...ABSOLUTELY!!!

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[quote=REDSKINS1980;559584] They must decide now, will it be Campbell or Vick.[/quote]

:lol: Gotta say, that made me lol.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;559722]How would people fishing off the shore of his house violate his parole?[/quote]

I'm just as stumped with that one as you are. :confused:

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[quote=Son Of Man;559723]If he can improve on his accuracy issues...ABSOLUTELY!!![/quote]

accuracy, decision making, attitude, work ethic, off field issues... yeah, if he can just become a totally different ****ing human being, no worries. Remember, he was a below average qb BEFORE spending a year in Federal "Pound Me In The Ass" Prison.

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[quote=Missin21;559731]I'm just as stumped with that one as you are. :confused:[/quote]

Wait...that was a serious question? I thought First was joking

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[quote=SmootSmack;559736]Wait...that was a serious question? I thought First was joking[/quote]

I thought it was a serious question. If it is a joke though it makes sense. The post just read as something serious where he really thought it was a probation violation. If he was joking he got me on that one. :laughing2

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;559732]accuracy, decision making, attitude, work ethic, off field issues... yeah, if he can just become a totally different ****ing human being, no worries. Remember, he was a below average qb BEFORE spending a year in Federal "Pound Me In The Ass" Prison.[/quote]

LOL, Love that Movie.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;559732]accuracy, decision making, attitude, work ethic, off field issues... yeah, if he can just become a totally different ****ing human being, no worries. Remember, he was a below average qb BEFORE spending a year in Federal "Pound Me In The Ass" Prison.[/quote]


Couldn't say it better than myself. He is a bad passing QB period!!!! Oh yeah he is fun to watch dancing around, but the Falcons sucked with him at QB before his doggie trouble. To win the SB you need a guy that can pass the pigskin, not dance. Look at McNabb, he didn't get too far in the playoffs til he became a solid passing QB. With hindsight being 20/20 Vick was lucky to be even drafted, but his unbelievable athleticism saved him.

With all of this Cutler/Sanchez crap do you think it is going to be good for JC if we pursue this guy? Do you really want to get rid of Collins now, and have only an inexperienced Brennan and a non throwing QB as backups?

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Hopefully our offensive line will be improved this year or we'll need someone like Vick just to be able to run from pass rushers.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;559754] but the Falcons sucked with him at QB before his doggie trouble.[/quote]

40-30-1 career record as QB of the Falcons. I dont want Vick either but the Falcons didnt suck with Vick as QB.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;559680]wow, didn't think I would see so many excuses for this clown. Why should anyone have to be accountable for their actions. And that whole "did the time" shit, seriously, let's be realistic. If you're a felon, you're pretty much a piece of shit in society's eyes. Hope that doesn't break any hearts.[/quote]

Yall need to put down the hate goggles and chill out for a second. Guess what some people really liked Vick, so of course there's gonna be some support but even then check the poll. The great majority don't want him on the team.

It's funny how fishing was brought up in this thread, just think about it for a sec.

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the reasons i don't want him have absolutely nothing to do with his involvement in dog fighting

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Vick wasn't known to be a passing QB like Brees/Manning/Favre etc., etc., and he was never expected to put up tons of yards through the air, so why would Snyder want him? Snyder wanted Cutler b/c he thought he could put up a lot of yards through the air, the same with Sanchez.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;559740]I thought it was a serious question. If it is a joke though it makes sense. The post just read as something serious where he really thought it was a probation violation. If he was joking he got me on that one. :laughing2[/quote]

Agreed. I thought the same thing. Got me too. :doh:


:laughing-

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;559763]40-30-1 career record as QB of the Falcons. I dont want Vick either but the Falcons didnt suck with Vick as QB.[/quote]His last 2 years of playing he sucked, 15-16 record, QB rating under 76. Hasn't been in an NFL training program in over 2 years, let alone in a game.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;559785]His last 2 years of playing he sucked, 15-16 record, QB rating under 76. Hasn't been in an NFL training program in over 2 years, let alone in a game.[/quote]

It's like I've been saying. Once teams figured out he couldn't pass he became a lot less effective.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;559785]His last 2 years of playing he sucked, 15-16 record, QB rating under 76. Hasn't been in an NFL training program in over 2 years, let alone in a game.[/quote]

His last season he was 204-388 for 2474 yds and a 20-13 TD-INT Ratio

He also rushed for 1039 yds and 2 TDs on only 123 carries.

He didnt suck. He was probably the main reason why they won 7 games with that half ass supporting cast around him.

Anyone who thinks Michael Vick sucked didnt watch him play. He wasnt a great passer but combined with his running ability he was a combo threat that won games.

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He sucked in that at times he barely could get 100 yards passing in some games. What did the rest of my original post state? Only pure passing QB's win the SB. That isn't BS, that is a fact. Look at McNabb. He had one SB appearance, and that was because as time went by he finally became a really strong passer. Vick is fun to watch, but he won't get to a SB anytime soon. My guess is the Vikings will pick him up to challenge for the starting position. Bottom line is that he is too one dimensional to be highly valued in the NFL.