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You know what guys... I am sick and tired of getting all worked up over the Redskins. If they do a deal to move up or down or get Briggs I'm going to accept and cheer for my team. These guys have to know what they are doing, come on Joe Gibbs is the only coach of the Redskins to ever win a superbowl, so the guy knows how to build a football team. All of us fans want one thing or another and think the world os going to collapse around us if that doesn't happen. At this point I'm just like make us better how ever you do it just make us better.

HAIL!!

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Im all down for calvin johnson, you dont see a player of this magnitude for years at a time. along with moss.... this would open up so much for the running game as well help moss big time in the intermediate routes. its ridiculous that you guys cant see that... you want campbell to work out, but you need to feed him. and calvin johnson is a lock. 6'5 230 runs a 4.35(40) and has the hands better than any wr in the NFL now.

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I have a new draft strategy. Every year from now on, let's use all of our picks to secure the highest pick we can -- in the top 3. So we get 1 pick a year. Foregoing the rest of the draft, we can then buy the most expensive old veterans in the twilight of their careers. And let's have the roster turn over a lot, to try different combinations (the whole "team" thing is overrated).

Oh -- that isn't a new strategy, that's the existing strategy. My bad.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;292660]You know what guys... I am sick and tired of getting all worked up over the Redskins. If they do a deal to move up or down or get Briggs I'm going to accept and cheer for my team. These guys have to know what they are doing, come on Joe Gibbs is the only coach of the Redskins to ever win a superbowl, so the guy knows how to build a football team. All of us fans want one thing or another and think the world os going to collapse around us if that doesn't happen. At this point I'm just like make us better how ever you do it just make us better.

HAIL!![/quote]

I'm a big Gibbs sycophant. I am. But the fact is, the guy signed off on Archuletta and Lloyd. How'd that work out? Gibbs didn't build his Super Bowl winning teams. Beathard did. I'm not saying he's not a good judge of character/talent, nor am I saying he is mistake prone. But I don't have blind faith in the man either. Joe Gibbs knows how to coach a football team. I think the jury is still out on whether or not he knows how to BUILD a football team.

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Alright GM I can agree with that, but didn't Gibbs have a really big part on buildiing the offensive side of the ball during the 80s. On Arch I'd say he was more of a Gregg W mistake than Gibbs. Also the jury is still out, for me anyway, on B. Lloyd. I think the guy can make plays, he needs to have a good training camp and season. If not than he is done in Washington.

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Just as I was trying to get my mind around the Briggs trade, Gibbs comes out with this one! I know that Calvin Johnson is a terrific WR, but we don't need him unless we can find someone to fob Brandon Lloyd off on. This idea of trading up makes NO SENSE AT ALL!

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;292265]They're all a bunch of idiots! They should be going out for Italian Ice at Rita's in order to save a couple of dollars for tomorrow's dessert. Don't they know anything?[/quote]
Yeah, there's no beating a Gelati from Rita's:

Custard on the bottom (Choc. Van, or the new hot pick is twist)
Ice in the middle (I hear mango has moved up a couple spots)
Custard on the bottom (the word custard just sounds delecious)

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;292831]Alright GM I can agree with that, but didn't Gibbs have a really big part on buildiing the offensive side of the ball during the 80s. On Arch I'd say he was more of a Gregg W mistake than Gibbs. Also the jury is still out, for me anyway, on B. Lloyd. I think the guy can make plays, he needs to have a good training camp and season. If not than he is done in Washington.[/quote]

Let's not just focus on AA and BLloyd. I was just throwing them out there as recent examples.
We also let Antonio Pierce walk- MLB was a big weak spot last season.
We let Ryan Clark walk- He and Taylor worked SO well together
We traded away a 2nd round pick to get Rocky who we apparently have no interest in starting
We let Walt Harris walk- he has been pro-bowl caliber for San Fran and our pass protection has fallen off a cliff
David Patten, well, injuries weren't Gibbs fault but it was still a signing that didn't pan out at all.

I know Gibbs has made his share of good moves too, but like I said, I still don't trust the man to build a team. But I think our patience this offseason is a good sign. Floyd Reese needs a job, we need a GM!

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[quote=GMScud;292743]I'm a big Gibbs sycophant. I am. But the fact is, the guy signed off on Archuletta and Lloyd. How'd that work out? Gibbs didn't build his Super Bowl winning teams. Beathard did. I'm not saying he's not a good judge of character/talent, nor am I saying he is mistake prone. But I don't have blind faith in the man either. Joe Gibbs knows how to coach a football team. I think the jury is still out on whether or not he knows how to BUILD a football team.[/quote]

The fans have the luxury of 20/20 hindsight vision.

Who traded up to aquire Jason Campbell? We all thought to ourselves, what the hell is Joe thinking?

Now we have our Franchise QB. From what I saw last year Campbell is the real deal.

Joe Gibbs is a football GOD and knows a hell of alot more about building a winning team than he gets credit for.

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[quote=JDALY27;292858]The fans have the luxury of 20/20 hindsight vision.

Who traded up to aquire Jason Campbell? We all thought to ourselves, what the hell is Joe thinking?

Now we have our Franchise QB. From what I saw last year Campbell is the real deal.

Joe Gibbs is a football GOD and knows a hell of alot more about building a winning team than he gets credit for.[/quote]

I really liked Campbell when he & Auburn beat my Hokies in 05 & I thought he'd make a great nfl qb, so I was really happy w/the trade to get him. It was criticized, I remember listening to espn radio when the trade was leaked before the draft & Dan Patrick ripped us for the trade. But we knew that Joe wouldn't hurry him in & we would need a qb for the future. We've got one & that shouldn't be underestimated in the least as a lot of teams don't.

So I agree, let's not knock Joe until we know more about the front office decision making. I personally think Joe is starting to exert his influence on the team, after listening to the wrong people last year. Look for him to be more hands on this year & get back to coaching.

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[quote=RobH4413;292652]Paragraph indentations are a wonderful thing my friend. I suggest you look into them.

As far as G-Tripps first long post goes... I really tend to agree with a lot of what you're saying. Granted, your making several assumptions... (That guy pointed to the colts as a retort)... But I think in this style of offense your thinking is on the right track.


Essentially here is what I understood what you were basically saying: In any run based offense where you don't have an MVP at QB, maxamizing your options won't necessarily maximize your success, especially when it comes from neglecting greater needs. [/quote]That's essentially what I was saying.

Obviously having Calvin Johnson start across from Moss is better than having Randle El. If Moss and Cooley still get their touches, then our passing game potential should improve, albeit slightly.

What I am worried about (and this is one of the assumptions I made) is that if we were to invest SO MUCH in a guy like Calvin Johnson, how can we expect our coaching staff to still use Cooley and Moss properly? I mean, espicially in our case where the coaching staff makes personel decisions, would we honestly be able to resist the urge to call plays where CJ is the main receiver all the time? Yes, I'm making an assumption about behavior, and anybody that has argued with me knows I would have jumped all over them for making such an assumption--so im being hypocritical in a way, but I feel this is a rare, reasonable assumption. How would our front office justify a move up in the draft plus a neglection of obvious needs and then NOT use Calvin Johnson more than he should be, even at the expense of Cooley and Moss? This is why such a move would be an unmitigated disaster. In essence we would be making three costly mistakes in one:

1) Continuing to piss away draft picks
2) Neglecting obvious defensive needs
3) Potentially decreasing offensive potential depending on how disciplined Al Saunders' playcalling is

This is an example of how the cost of acquisition can compromise decision-making on the field. In today's highly competitive league, that's not something a coach can afford.

Bottom line: trading up for Calvin Johnson would be an unmitigated disaster on so many levels. We would be far better off making the Briggs deal than this.

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[quote=Hog1;292251]I'm gonna go ahead and avoid all the turmoil, and pain. I'll start my thread at #300. This is an out and out BS attempt at deceptive chicanery by that prankster, Joe2. PURE smoke![/quote]

I am not so sure that this is a smoke screen. I think that the Redskins believe they have improved their defense already and will be working on the scoring offense during the draft. If we do not trade up to get CJ or use the #6 pick to draft Okoye, look for a trade down and we will either select Dwayne Bowe or Robert Meacham.

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[quote=freddyg12;292866]I really liked Campbell when he & Auburn beat my Hokies in 05 & I thought he'd make a great nfl qb, so I was really happy w/the trade to get him. It was criticized, I remember listening to espn radio when the trade was leaked before the draft & Dan Patrick ripped us for the trade. But we knew that Joe wouldn't hurry him in & we would need a qb for the future. We've got one & that shouldn't be underestimated in the least as a lot of teams don't.

So I agree, let's not knock Joe until we know more about the front office decision making. I personally think Joe is starting to exert his influence on the team, after listening to the wrong people last year. Look for him to be more hands on this year & get back to coaching.[/quote]

I'm not totally bashing the guy. I'm just trying to be objective. I said in my post that he has made some good moves, but also some pretty awful ones too. Only 1 of Gibbs 3 seasons back have been really productive, and that was only b/c in late '05 we finally decided to commit to the run and went on a late tear. Obviously the man is a great coach, but he has yet to prove he can build a winner personnel-wise. I hope like hell he succeeds. I feel like we are on the right track at this point.

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[quote=riggoraider;292890]I am not so sure that this is a smoke screen. I think that the Redskins believe they have improved their defense already and will be working on the scoring offense during the draft. If we do not trade up to get CJ or use the #6 pick to draft Okoye, look for a trade down and we will either select Dwayne Bowe or Robert Meacham.[/quote]

Ummm, what about our D-line? We haven't done diddly-poo to improve it. And it was miserable last year. The first thing that comes to mind was when Tiki Barber absolutely worked us over in our house week 17. He gouged us. Just like everyone did all year. If we draft a WR in the first round it is essentially saying ARE and Lloyd probably were bad moves. I know ARE is a punt returner, but there are only so many footballs to go around. We're going to be run first as it is, Cooley will catch between 60-70 balls most likely, as will Moss, so then we have a 1st rd WR and ARE and Lloyd?? All that money for 3 guys who would at best catch around 25 passes each? Doesn't make sense to me unless we trade ARE or Lloyd, neither of whom would have much trade value right now.

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[quote=GMScud;292901]Ummm, what about our D-line? We haven't done diddly-poo to improve it. And it was miserable last year. The first thing that comes to mind was when Tiki Barber absolutely worked us over in our house week 17. He gouged us. Just like everyone did all year. If we draft a WR in the first round it is essentially saying ARE and Lloyd probably were bad moves. I know ARE is a punt returner, but there are only so many footballs to go around. We're going to be run first as it is, Cooley will catch between 60-70 balls most likely, as will Moss, so then we have a 1st rd WR and ARE and Lloyd?? All that money for 3 guys who would at best catch around 25 passes each? Doesn't make sense to me unless we trade ARE or Lloyd, neither of whom would have much trade value right now.[/quote]Thank you. Great post.

Bonus points for getting "diddly poo" in there without breaking stride.

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[quote=GMScud;292901]Ummm, what about our D-line? We haven't done diddly-poo to improve it. And it was miserable last year. The first thing that comes to mind was when Tiki Barber absolutely worked us over in our house week 17. He gouged us. Just like everyone did all year. If we draft a WR in the first round it is essentially saying ARE and Lloyd probably were bad moves. I know ARE is a punt returner, but there are only so many footballs to go around. We're going to be run first as it is, Cooley will catch between 60-70 balls most likely, as will Moss, so then we have a 1st rd WR and ARE and Lloyd?? All that money for 3 guys who would at best catch around 25 passes each? Doesn't make sense to me unless we trade ARE or Lloyd, neither of whom would have much trade value right now.[/quote]

Tiki Barber worked the whole defense over. I do not think that there is one person in the draft who could've stopped that from happening. The D-line did not look that badly when we had corners that we could rely on to cover last season because they had help from other positions which is the way we played in the previous two seasons. We did not have any outstanding lineman then but we were aggresive up front with our safeties, linebackers and corners (in nickle and dime situations).

As far as Lloyd goes, sometime you just have to bite the bullet if it is going to improve a weakness. ARE is a good #3 and gadget receiver but he is not a #2. We will probably have accept the mistake that we made last season in free agency but we do not have to play Lloyd just because his wallet is fat if he is not beneficial to the team.

I look for another receiver to be drafted in the first round if we do not select Okoye.

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i say we trade everyone we have for peyton manning

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[quote=NicknacK89;292908]i say we trade everyone we have for peyton manning[/quote]

or we could trade every first round pick we have for the next 15 years for ladanian tomlinson

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[quote=riggoraider;292907]Tiki Barber worked the whole defense over. I do not think that there is one person in the draft who could've stopped that from happening. The D-line did not look that badly when we had corners that we could rely on to cover last season because they had help from other positions which is the way we played in the previous two seasons. We did not have any outstanding lineman then but we were aggresive up front with our safeties, linebackers and corners (in nickle and dime situations).

As far as Lloyd goes, sometime you just have to bite the bullet if it is going to improve a weakness. ARE is a good #3 and gadget receiver but he is not a #2. We will probably have accept the mistake that we made last season in free agency but we do not have to play Lloyd just because his wallet is fat if he is not beneficial to the team.

I look for another receiver to be drafted in the first round if we do not select Okoye.[/quote]

Well, the Dline played better in 04 and 05 than it did last year and that's just a fact. They are aging and injured often. We have to get better up front against the run. It's a flat out fact. We cannot stand pat with what we have up front on D.

Look at the offensive success Saunders had in KC. He had a massive O-line, a great running scheme, a versatile TE with glue hands, and a tall QB with a big arm. We have all of that RIGHT NOW. Eddie Kennison was the best WR he ever had in KC, and he's good, but not a gamebreaker by any means. He certainly never had 3 WRs earing $20M+ each. Lloyd is not going anywhere this year, and neither is ARE. With Campbell working with the first team offense right off the bat, his rapport with them will improve. I'd be shocked not to see better numbers from Lloyd and the entire offense for that matter without adding a thing.

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[quote=GMScud;292921]Well, the Dline played better in 04 and 05 than it did last year and that's just a fact. They are aging and injured often. We have to get better up front against the run. It's a flat out fact. We cannot stand pat with what we have up front on D.

Look at the offensive success Saunders had in KC. He had a massive O-line, a great running scheme, a versatile TE with glue hands, and a tall QB with a big arm. We have all of that RIGHT NOW. Eddie Kennison was the best WR he ever had in KC, and he's good, but not a gamebreaker by any means. He certainly never had 3 WRs earing $20M+ each. Lloyd is not going anywhere this year, and neither is ARE. With Campbell working with the first team offense right off the bat, his rapport with them will improve. I'd be shocked not to see better numbers from Lloyd and the entire offense for that matter without adding a thing.[/quote]

You are right we do have to get better against the run and better linebacker play will give us just that.

As far as standing pat at the D-line goes we will see in a few weeks but ,from all indications, this is probably going to be what we do.

I am not opposed to getting a D-lineman if there is one who can ,absolulety, turn things around up front but there is no Julius Peppers or Warren Sapp in this years draft, therefore, I will not be upset if we try to get a player that could help us get the ball past the 20 yard line either.

edit: We say a lot about what Saunders scheme did with little talent at the receiver position in KC but do we think about what his scheme could do for a team with talented receivers?

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while i really dont take what coach gibbs says at face value (kinda sucks) i do believe from what he said that the skins are 100% positive that there is not a premier DL player available in this years draft to warrant a no. 6 selection . . .the obvious choice is to trade down and still get okoye or anderson but the door is open to a reasonable trade up and add the best player in the draft and a potential HOF wr in calvin (the only player the skins seem to think is special, cant pass up) given that oakland is not drooling over calvin w/ the first pick it makes it a consideration. . . that said wr is not the most important position on the field and we got alot invested there already, build the D line but i didnt get to meet and watch calvin in person thoo, the league is due a new explosive right out of the gate awesome reciever and if he lives up to it it would be worth it in hindsight . .

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We can debate allwe want, but if we have the chance to take CJ we should.

Players like him don't come around often!

Having CJ, Moss, and Randle El will open up running lanes off of respect of the receiving corps.

We can get a space-eating-run-stopping DT or a pss rush specialist in the 3rd round.

Our offense would INSTANTLY be better, and for a chance we could OUTSCORE teams, while keeping our defense fresh.

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I wish we were much smarter last off season which would make going after CJ a no brainer, I believe that CJ is worth going after regardless of the cost he's that good. I would like to keep next years picks intact if at all possible. If we can't get him then I say start trading down when we are on the clock, I would trade down at least twice there are a lot of LB's, CB, and safeties that will be available in the late first and second round, I would probably target them with hopefully a couple of second rounders we get from trading down, and use our #1 on a offensive guard, I feel it is more important to protect Campbell, and open holes for the running game, than it is to draft a lineman, with this scenerio we can get at least 3 very good players to address a lot of needs, instead of 1 D-lineman. Then we have next years draft intact to go after D-line help. I can't say I disagree with thier assesment on the D-linemen this year, I could see potential bust in almost everyone of them. CJ guaranteed star.

This may be a year we have to tighten our belts with D-linemen and make do with what we have, a healthy Salavea, along with Griffen, and Golston to give them both rest isn't bad, the rest will have to step up. Adding a bonified safety to pair with Taylor and another CB could go a long way into giving the D-line a little extra time to get to the QB.

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[quote=offiss;294032]This may be a year we have to tighten our belts with D-linemen and make do with what we have, a healthy Salavea, along with Griffen, and Golston to give them both rest isn't bad, the rest will have to step up. Adding a bonified safety to pair with Taylor and another CB could go a long way into giving the D-line a little extra time to get to the QB.[/quote]We are going to have to tighten our belts with the DLine even if we go there in the draft. I'm just saying we should get a DLineman right now so that three years down the road we can actually have a dominant player, and aren't still tightening our belts as we wait for our then rookie to develop.

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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;294026]We can debate allwe want, but if we have the chance to take CJ we should.

Players like him don't come around often!

Having CJ, Moss, and Randle El will open up running lanes off of respect of the receiving corps.

We can get a space-eating-run-stopping DT or a pss rush specialist in the 3rd round.

Our offense would INSTANTLY be better, and for a chance we could OUTSCORE teams, while keeping our defense fresh.[/quote]Only once a year.

Respect, eh? Seems similar to the logic that said defenses would respect Campbell's deep ball, and then we watched our Y/A get sliced significantly. Defenses don't respect young players simply because the rest of us do.

One, a trade up that also lands a third rounder would cost Betts, and thats a bad deal for us. Two, if the third rounder ever becomes more than adequate, it was purely a function of luck. Plus, we lose a lot of game time experimenting with that 3rd round pick to see if we have anything. That's just not the solution we need.

Our offense would not instantly be better. Our passing game goes as Campbell goes. Our rushing game would be worse off if we dealt Betts. CJ would be a miniscule part of the equation, not to mention a rookie. Rookies lack the experience to play anywhere near what they will one day be capable of, and certainly make their fair share of crucial mistakes.

The best way to keep the defense fresh is to grind out first downs with the running game. You are suggesting we trade Betts. That's some backwards logic.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;294048]We are going to have to tighten our belts with the DLine even if we go there in the draft. I'm just saying we should get a DLineman right now so that three years down the road we can actually have a dominant player, and aren't still tightening our belts as we wait for our then rookie to develop.[/QUOTE]

Trading down could allow for all to take place, I like the kid Moss out of florida, I think he may be the most instinctive pass rusher but he needs to get bigger, he reminds me of Charles Haley, 2 to 3 years down the road he could be the best pass rusher of the bunch.

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[QUOTE=offiss;294317]Trading down could allow for all to take place, I like the kid Moss out of florida, I think he may be the most instinctive pass rusher but he needs to get bigger, he reminds me of Charles Haley, 2 to 3 years down the road he could be the best pass rusher of the bunch.[/QUOTE]

Uh oh. I've been saying I like Moss too. We agree! So...you see any locusts swarming around outside your house?

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J-Moss is a stud. He's also a good 2 years away from being an impact player. I live in Gainesville. Eric Wilbur, the Gator punter and Jarvis' roommate for the past few years, is a good friend of mine. I've spent plenty of time around Jarvis. Trust me, Jarvis is NOT as big as he's listed. Don't get me wrong, the kid is a freak athlete. But he needs to gain 15-20 lbs of muscle and not lose a step to be a force. He's only about 250lbs right now. He's fast, sure (was the anchor on his high school's 4 X 100 relay team), but a decent NFL tackle could drive him 15 yards down the field on a running play with ease. We already have an end like that. I believe his nickname last year was "Highway 99." Two words: Amobi Okoye. A hybrid DE/DT with a ton of character (Gibbs prob drooling over that) and HUGE upside based on 4 years of college ball despite only being 19. I guess that's more than two words, but there it is.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;294318]Uh oh. I've been saying I like Moss too. We agree! So...you see any locusts swarming around outside your house?[/QUOTE]

Nope just the inevetable, your getting smarter as you continue to read my post's.:)

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[QUOTE=offiss;294459]Nope just the inevetable, your getting smarter as you continue to read my post's.:)[/QUOTE]

Yet I still have the ability to spell correctly :)

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[QUOTE=GMScud;294320]J-Moss is a stud. He's also a good 2 years away from being an impact player. I live in Gainesville. Eric Wilbur, the Gator punter and Jarvis' roommate for the past few years, is a good friend of mine. I've spent plenty of time around Jarvis. Trust me, Jarvis is NOT as big as he's listed. Don't get me wrong, the kid is a freak athlete. But he needs to gain 15-20 lbs of muscle and not lose a step to be a force. He's only about 250lbs right now. He's fast, sure (was the anchor on his high school's 4 X 100 relay team), but a decent NFL tackle could drive him 15 yards down the field on a running play with ease. We already have an end like that. I believe his nickname last year was "Highway 99." Two words: Amobi Okoye. A hybrid DE/DT with a ton of character (Gibbs prob drooling over that) and HUGE upside based on 4 years of college ball despite only being 19. I guess that's more than two words, but there it is.[/QUOTE]

Let me ask you this. Am I getting another Andre Carter if I'm asking for Jarvis Moss?

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April 28th is gonna be like the best day ever. I can't wait for the speculators of speculation to having nothing to speculate about. I wish I could go to sleep tonight, wake up, and hear Roger Goodell say " With the first overall pick the Oakland Raiders select . . . . Sam Hollenbach?!?"

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;294463]Yet I still have the ability to spell correctly :)[/QUOTE]

Now that's funny!:laughing2

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[QUOTE=GMScud;294320]J-Moss is a stud. He's also a good 2 years away from being an impact player. I live in Gainesville. Eric Wilbur, the Gator punter and Jarvis' roommate for the past few years, is a good friend of mine. I've spent plenty of time around Jarvis. Trust me, Jarvis is NOT as big as he's listed. Don't get me wrong, the kid is a freak athlete. But he needs to gain 15-20 lbs of muscle and not lose a step to be a force. He's only about 250lbs right now. He's fast, sure (was the anchor on his high school's 4 X 100 relay team), but a decent NFL tackle could drive him 15 yards down the field on a running play with ease. We already have an end like that. I believe his nickname last year was "Highway 99." Two words: Amobi Okoye. A hybrid DE/DT with a ton of character (Gibbs prob drooling over that) and HUGE upside based on 4 years of college ball despite only being 19. I guess that's more than two words, but there it is.[/QUOTE]

Sounds about right, but I am not sold on Amobi the guy is only 6'1.

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For the life of me... I can't see the Redskins trading up... just my opinion!