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[QUOTE=That Guy]i think you can, if so, we could keep a ton of starters.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, if you can spread the bonus out over four years, our cap woes will be dramatically mitigated.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Portis has a $3 million dollar bonus this year. But I didn't think the bonus could be spread out over 4 years. I'm probably wrong.

Other guys scheduled to get big bonuses are: Arrington ($6.4M), Samuels ($4.5), Springs ($3.1), Griffin ($2.5), S. Taylor ($2.2), and Rabach ($2.2).[/QUOTE]

Well this goes back to the 30% rule. In a normal world we could prorate all the roster bonuses four years out, and this would allow us to save like $15M off the cap.

However the 30% rule severly restricts our flexibility here (at least according to my understanding). That's why we only stand to save a couple hundred thousand by restructuring Brunell, instead of a couple million. And any other restrucures would have similar minimal effects. I'm surprised we're able to save anything on Portis' contract under the current rules.

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From profootballtalk.com

SPECIAL MASTER RULING COMPLICATES MATTERS

At a time when NFL teams are trying to figure out how in the hell they'll stay on the right side of the salary cap absent an extension to the Collective Bargaining Agreement, a league source tells us that a Special Master has ruled on Wednesday that option bonus payments will count as signing bonus money for the purposes of the so-called 30 percent rule.

This means that it will be even harder to construct contracts in 2006, the final capped year under the current CBA. Under the 30 percent rule, a player's compensation cannot increase in 2007 or beyond by more than 30 percent of the player's 2006 salary, excluding signing bonus.

In order to drive up the basis for the application of the 30 percent rule, some teams and agents had planned to transform all or part of the signing bonus into an option bonus due, for example, five days after the contract was signed.

Per the Special Master's ruling, this tactic won't permit the option bonus money to be treated as 2006 salary, which then will make it even harder for teams to strike deals that the players will accept under terms that will fit within the 2006 salary cap.

Instead, both signing bonus and option bonus money will now be excluded from the player's 2006 salary, for the purposes of applying the 30 percent rule.

We're also told that, in a separate ruling, the Special Master invalidated a device that the Colts had been using to fit recent deals under the cap. We presently don't have any further details in this regard, but it could spell trouble for a franchise that somehow has been finding a way to throw around money at a time when other teams are looking for ways to make cuts.

Unlike an arbitrator, who resolves issues such as player grievances, a Special Master handles matters requiring interpretation of the language of the CBA.

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Dose anybody real know what is going on???? I guess Gibbs dose and that is all right with me! 30% rules it is making me go in sane!

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all of this crap is so confusing...im just glad we have gibbs leading the team because he knows what hes doing

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]...Can I just say, one more time, MOTHER F*CK the Washington Post. Every time I turn around they're writing something that is not only wrong, but disparaging.
[/QUOTE]

Here, here. WaPo is worthless.

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[QUOTE=70Chip]Here, here. WaPo is worthless.[/QUOTE]
True dat - WP is officially on my "Things That Suck" list. Right next to Jenna Jameson, but for totally different reasons.

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[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2350331[/url]

Brunell is going to restructure to help us out. Him and "other veterans"

Hell Yeah
GO SKINS

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[QUOTE=heybigstar][url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2350331[/url]

Brunell is going to restructure to help us out. Him and "other veterans"

Hell Yeah
GO SKINS[/QUOTE]
See [url=http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=154635&postcount=81]post #81[/url]. That's why we're talking about how much the Post sucks now.

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So now all these posts about how Brunell is a bitch.....hhhhmmmm.....

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The Post is reporting that the restructured deal would save $1.8 million. Perhaps he took a pay cut in addition to converting some of his salary into a signing bonus. Or maybe, the Post is just dead wrong again.

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Foxsports also reported it.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]Foxsports also reported it.[/QUOTE]

I don't doubt that Brunell restructured his deal (Redskins.com is reporting it). What I am curious to know is how it was restructured. If he took a paycut, well that would be awesome because a conventional restructuring will not bring us much relief given the 30% rule.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I don't doubt that Brunell restructured his deal (Redskins.com is reporting it). What I am curious to know is how it was restructured. If he took a paycut, well that would be awesome because a conventional restructuring will not bring us much relief given the 30% rule.[/QUOTE]


Well, I'm sure he's going to wait until the last minute to see exactly how the restructuring is going to go. One player can't help our situation out, so we can't expect Brunell to play for free. But, I think that with players like Brunell and Portis restructuring, it will send a good message to the other core 'Skins...I just don't see this situation being as bad as what some think. Yeah, it's not going to be pretty, but I don't believe it's going to be THAT bad.

/Side note: Offiss: I have a degree in fitness training and served as a personal trainer, so yes, I know quite a bit about weight training thank you very much.

Now back to our story.

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All I want is for the idiots out there to keep doubting us. This is a true team. Everyone ready to sacrifice for one goal.

The last group that thought we were going to lie down was the Cowgirls when they came to our house. Next thing you know the stadium was shaking and all of their bitch fans were driving home at halftime.

We messed on Texas...

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THis is a hilarious thread...

Best one in a while. Maybe Danny boy feeds fake leads to the post in order to show them up in public? He is a communications company billionaire.

Oh, and thanks MB. Hopefully we'll get a labor agreement and have cap space to boot. If not, yikes.

Peace.

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It seemed pretty obvious to me that the Post was just trying to start something. As of the weekend, any player would be reluctant to restructure becasue they were waiting on the CBA also. To put Brunnel's name on the headline as a sacrificial lamb was unjustified (obviously). They should be ashamed of themselves!

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588]yeah there is a crazy look alike that goes by redskins88, but not to be confused with me, redskins8588, the 85 my old football number, and the 88 is for dale jarrett, nascar driver who pretty much got his start with Gibbs... But no harm no foul, it happens...[/QUOTE]

Lol, I apologize for that. I didn't realize that there was already a user with such a close name to me. Is there actually a way I can change my username?

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[QUOTE=Redskins88]Lol, I apologize for that. I didn't realize that there was already a user with such a close name to me. Is there actually a way I can change my username?[/QUOTE]

Unless you or Redskins8588 really want to change your screen name, I don't think it's a big deal.

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[QUOTE=Redskins88]Lol, I apologize for that. I didn't realize that there was already a user with such a close name to me. Is there actually a way I can change my username?[/QUOTE]

That's what you get for including NeckCAR in your username.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]That's what you get for including NeckCAR in your username.[/QUOTE]

Gibbs was in "NeckCar" so its a fine sport by me. I personally don't watch it, but I can see why others would.

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So what. This is a football site.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Gibbs was in "NeckCar" so its a fine sport by me. I personally don't watch it, but I can see why others would.[/QUOTE]

Of course... they watch for the wrecks. Otherwise your just watching traffic.:)

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Unless you or Redskins8588 really want to change your screen name, I don't think it's a big deal.[/QUOTE]

I actually kinda do.....to saskin, if that's alright with you all.

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[QUOTE=Redskins88]I actually kinda do.....to saskin, if that's alright with you all.[/QUOTE]

Contact Mattyk72 and request the change. I am sure he'll do it. I don't have the ability to do it.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Contact Mattyk72 and request the change. I am sure he'll do it. I don't have the ability to do it.[/QUOTE]

Alright, thank you.

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!course... they watch ]Of course ... they watch for the wrecks. Otherwise your just watching traffic.:)[/QUOTE]


Yup. Just like boxing, you watch it to see someone get knocked out. Otherwise you're watching two men dance together half-naked.

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If the Skins need cap room, why don't they just ask Chris Samuels to restructure his contract for the 1,574th time.

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[QUOTE=Counter-Tre]If the Skins need cap room, why don't they just ask Chris Samuels to restructure his contract for the 1,574th time.[/QUOTE]

Don't worry, I am sure they already have. For the amount he is overpaid he should do anything for them.

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Samuels signed a new deal last year so his salary isn't an issue.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Samuels signed a new deal last year so his salary isn't an issue.[/QUOTE]

It would be nice to convert that fat roster bonus...

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]/Side note: Offiss: I have a degree in fitness training and served as a personal trainer, so yes, I know quite a bit about weight training thank you very much.[/QUOTE]

Oooh...stop, drop and roll...3rd degree burn!!!

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!]It seemed pretty obvious to me that the Post was just trying to start something. As of the weekend, any player would be reluctant to restructure becasue they were waiting on the CBA also. To put Brunnel's name on the headline as a sacrificial lamb was unjustified (obviously). They should be ashamed of themselves![/QUOTE]

i think WaPo got their info from brunell's agent. then the skins came back with a better offer and they accepted that.

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[QUOTE=Counter-Tre]If the Skins need cap room, why don't they just ask Chris Samuels to restructure his contract for the 1,574th time.[/QUOTE]

his base salary is too low, he can't convert anymore to bonuses right now, though he might hage an option bonus that could be converted...

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it the article is right, then brunell must have given back ~300k in real money to reach 1.8mill in savings. that brings back 3 starters (possibly 4) by itself then.

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You just can't keep a good man down. Brunell is a true leader and team player. Hopefully , some other members of the team will follow his example.
------Sorry, Brunell haters, I know how disappointed you must be!

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[QUOTE=That Guy]i think WaPo got their info from brunell's agent. then the skins came back with a better offer and they accepted that.[/QUOTE]

I doubt it - Brunell's reaction was pretty visceral, but he didn't even mention the source. I'm sure they had a real source, but I don't think it was from MB's camp.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]I doubt it - Brunell's reaction was pretty visceral, but he didn't even mention the source. I'm sure they had a real source, but I don't think it was from MB's camp.[/QUOTE]

whoever the original source of the rebuff rumor had to be in some way involved in the talks (either for the skins or MB) or else why even bother citing him/her?

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[QUOTE=That Guy]whoever the original source of the rebuff rumor had to be in some way involved in the talks (either for the skins or MB) or else why even bother citing him/her?[/QUOTE]

I agree there was probably a real source - I just don't think it was from MB's camp, that's all. That would, by process of elimination, put it in the Skins' camp, I guess.

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Brunell always was and always will be a class act. I still feel like an idiot for booing him at the Packers game in '04. He may be past his prime, but he's still a tremendous leader with guts and character. :httr: