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[QUOTE=Dana87]Brunell actually has a stronger arm than Green, in both distance and velocity.[/QUOTE]

i seriously doubt that.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]There are some that believe that Ramsey wasn't given a fair shake, and when he did, it was under Spurrier's rudimentary offense. Furthermore, they say that Gibbs unfairly yanked him before he could fully prove himself.[/QUOTE]


What's your point?

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]What's your point?[/QUOTE]


His point is people assume that because we made the playoffs Brunell was the best choice, but that's not nessasarily the case, who's to say if Ramsey is the QB that we wouldn't have won the division and had a by, and possibly be on our way to detroit this week? At the very least it is no stretch to say that Ramsey could have guided us to the playoffs as well.

Just because we made the playoff's doesn't mean that Brunell was the best man for the job, what it does mean is that Ramsey wasen't given a chance to prove otherwise.

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[QUOTE=offiss]His point is people assume that because we made the playoffs Brunell was the best choice,[/Quote]

He would be correct since Brunell has already proven that he can lead us into the post season.

[Quote=offiss]but that's not nessasarily the case, who's to say if Ramsey is the QB that we wouldn't have won the division and had a by, and possibly be on our way to detroit this week? At the very least it is no stretch to say that Ramsey could have guided us to the playoffs as well.[/QUote]

That is the case. It's been proven fact. We made it to the playoffs and advanced. We took a major step in the right direction with Mark Brunell playing quarterback for this team. There is no solid evidence that Patrick Ramsey could have done the same or better.

[Quote=offiss]Just because we made the playoff's doesn't mean that Brunell was the best man for the job, what it does mean is that Ramsey wasen't given a chance to prove otherwise.[/QUOTE]

That doesn't make any sense. Of course it proves that Brunell was the best man for the job. You have no proof to debate with me on this. Only excuses.

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[QUOTE]skinsguy wrote- That is the case. It's been proven fact. We made it to the playoffs and advanced. We took a major step in the right direction with Mark Brunell playing quarterback for this team. There is no solid evidence that Patrick Ramsey could have done the same or better. [/QUOTE]

Your kidding right?

No solid evidence? How could he not have done the same? In case you didn't notice Brunell did nothing the last 3 games, I believe Patrick is capable of doing nothing and allowing our defense to win games for him.

Do you think Brunells play in the playoffs was a major step in the right direction? :eek:

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[QUOTE=offiss]Your kidding right?

No solid evidence? How could he not have done the same? In case you didn't notice Brunell did nothing the last 3 games, I believe Patrick is capable of doing nothing and allowing our defense to win games for him.

Do you think Brunells play in the playoffs was a major step in the right direction? :eek:[/QUOTE]

And he Did nothing in the Raider Game or San Diego game....

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Yeah, Taylor Jacobs is a homo. He needs to go back home on a greyhound.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]He would be correct since Brunell has already proven that he can lead us into the post season.



That is the case. It's been proven fact. We made it to the playoffs and advanced. We took a major step in the right direction with Mark Brunell playing quarterback for this team. There is no solid evidence that Patrick Ramsey could have done the same or better.



That doesn't make any sense. Of course it proves that Brunell was the best man for the job. You have no proof to debate with me on this. Only excuses.[/QUOTE]

You pretty much summed up my point.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]There are some that believe that Ramsey wasn't given a fair shake, and when he did, it was under Spurrier's rudimentary offense. Furthermore, they say that Gibbs unfairly yanked him before he could fully prove himself.[/QUOTE]

I like Ramsey and think whatever happens to him in the future he will get better, there is no way he has reached his full potential for the exact reason you stated above. He may have been in the NFL for 4 years, but he was being coached by all College coaches not even nfl assistants, with College schemes in a complex nfl defensive system where it is essential to have good coaches to help you develop and have a chance at being good. Essentially in my mind as far as Ramsey and his development it did not start until Gibbs got here. Those who think Ramsey could develop into anything those first two years are just foolish. That being said I hardly think you can even judge any of the QB's in Gibbs first year it was just horrible performance for whatever reason, but I can assure you it was not all Ramsey.I do think Ramsey is gone, but he will be a starter for another team in this league and do well. Ramsey has had a short leash for some reason by all his coaches, Spurrier circus of carousel QB and Gibbs this year after one game. He just has not had a fair shake.

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[QUOTE=CooleyFan]Yeah, Taylor Jacobs is a homo. He needs to go back home on a greyhound.[/QUOTE]

Are you just mad because he broke up with you?

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[QUOTE=offiss]Your kidding right?

No solid evidence? How could he not have done the same? In case you didn't notice Brunell did nothing the last 3 games, I believe Patrick is capable of doing nothing and allowing our defense to win games for him.

Do you think Brunells play in the playoffs was a major step in the right direction? :eek:[/QUOTE]

I think if Patrick just did "nothing" in his bad games he probably would have been the starter...but Patrick turns the ball over more which leads to losses. Brunell had only 11 ints in 18 games...

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If you stood behind Ramsey and said "Look out it's Warren Sapp!" He would get happy feet and fumble the ball.

He needs a change of venue. I don't think he trusts the offensive line here (and rightfully so). The poor guy has taken some serious punishment.

He had his opportunity in '04 and in the preseason for '05. He is damaged goods. Take the 3rd rounder and let him try to salvage his career. Campbell is the #2 now. They used a 1st rounder on him and he was handpicked by Gibbs.

I liked Ramsey. I just think he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper] "Look out it's Warren Sapp!" /QUOTE]

there was a time when sapp had that kinda clout, i thinks his skills are dimishing now.

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[QUOTE=12thMan][QUOTE=Grim21Reaper] "Look out it's Warren Sapp!" /QUOTE]

there was a time when sapp had that kinda clout, i thinks his skills are dimishing now.[/QUOTE]

You definitely missed the point of the post. How about "Look out it is Simeon Rice!".

Does that work for you???

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper][QUOTE=12thMan]

You definitely missed the point of the post. How about "Look out it is Simeon Rice!".

Does that work for you???[/QUOTE]

Actually, I was just having some fun.

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[QUOTE=chuckmcco][b][color=red]If Mark Brunell is our starting QB next season i will not watch the games. I refuse to watch an offense that has to call certain plays because our QB has a diminished skill. Until Jason Campbell is named our starter i am boycotting.[/color][/b][/QUOTE]
Welcome I was thinking the exact same thing i couldnt stomach watching that Brunell for another year.... But I want a Ramsey Campbell combo.......

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[QUOTE=celts32]I think if Patrick just did "nothing" in his bad games he probably would have been the starter...but Patrick turns the ball over more which leads to losses. Brunell had only 11 ints in 18 games...[/QUOTE]
Yeah He had 11 INT's But he led The NFL in fumbles Lost too!!!! Oh but that's not a turnover is it?

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]Yeah He had 11 INT's But he led The NFL in fumbles Lost too!!!! Oh but that's not a turnover is it?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I really couldn't stomach another 3,000 yd, 23 TD, top QB rating season, and the second round of the playoffs either.

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We have a hall of fame coach, now we Saunders who has had a top five O in his last five seasons, and other very talented O coaches. I will have no problem with which ever QB they sellect to run our O. For the people who say they will not watch the Skins if Brunell starts we will see how long you last when we are winning games.I just do not understand those types of comment when we have a coaching staff that just about any other team would love to have standing on their sidelines. I'm not a Brunell lover I just feel we have the right people in place to make the best decisions for this team whoever our QB.

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[QUOTE=firstdown]We have a hall of fame coach, now we Saunders who has had a top five O in his last five seasons, and other very talented O coaches. I will have no problem with which ever QB they sellect to run our O. For the people who say they will not watch the Skins if Brunell starts we will see how long you last when we are winning games.I just do not understand those types of comment when we have a coaching staff that just about any other team would love to have standing on their sidelines. I'm not a Brunell lover I just feel we have the right people in place to make the best decisions for this team whoever our QB.[/QUOTE]

Some people just hate Brunell that much I guess. Why I don't know, perhaps they just can't get '04 outta their minds despite him having a Pro Bowl caliber '05 season. Yeah I know, what about the last 3 games? Well, what about looking at the entire season, I know it's hard to think back that far but if you can still remember '04 I'm sure you can handle it.

If someone is seriously not going to watch games if Brunell plays I say fine, just one less fair weather fan we don't need.

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]Yeah He had 11 INT's But he led The NFL in fumbles Lost too!!!! Oh but that's not a turnover is it?[/QUOTE]

Brunell lost 6 fumbles in 2005. Your boy Ramsey lost 3 fumbles in 2004, and he only played half a season. Meaning their fumble rates are equal. But Ramsey throws way more interceptions than Brunell.

Brunell is way better at managing a game. And if you don't like that, then you don't like winning.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Brunell lost 6 fumbles in 2005. Your boy Ramsey lost 3 fumbles in 2004, and he only played half a season. Meaning their fumble rates are equal. But Ramsey throws way more interceptions than Brunell.

Brunell is way better at managing a game. And if you don't like that, then you don't like winning.[/QUOTE]

That really must be it. After a decade of mediocrity some people just like losing and winning 10 games and a playoff game is just too foreign. Something must be wrong with this equation, yeah it's that guy from '04 that struggled so much. There's no way he had anything to do with the 11 wins, he only contributed to the 7 losses.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Some people just hate Brunell that much I guess. Why I don't know, perhaps they just can't get '04 outta their minds despite him having a [b]Pro Bowl caliber '05 season[/b]. Yeah I know, what about the last 3 games? Well, what about looking at the entire season, I know it's hard to think back that far but if you can still remember '04 I'm sure you can handle it.

If someone is seriously not going to watch games if Brunell plays I say fine, just one less fair weather fan we don't need.[/QUOTE]

Pro bowl caliber 05' season????????????????......................offiss just went rigid all over........a tremor in the "Ramsey force"

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[QUOTE=Hog1]Pro bowl caliber 05' season????????????????......................offiss just went rigid all over........a tremor in the "Ramsey force"[/QUOTE]

LOL!

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PRO BOWL CALIBER SEASON????? :cussing: :madani: :madani: :censored:

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Brunell lost 6 fumbles in 2005. Your boy Ramsey lost 3 fumbles in 2004, and he only played half a season. Meaning their fumble rates are equal. But Ramsey throws way more interceptions than Brunell.

Brunell is way better at managing a game. And if you don't like that, then you don't like winning.[/QUOTE]


Brunell averaged well over 1 TO a game, 12 TO's in 9 games, and he's supposed to be the veteran, you can couple that with his opportunity to play and get most of the reps in practice for most of the year, Ramsey didn't have the benefit of Brunells experience or a decieded advantage in reps in practice, as well Ramsey had the pleasure of coming into games in spot duty to try and bail us out of the hole Brunell left us in.

Irregardless of all that, don't try and make a case for TO's being the decieding factor between the 2 when Brunell has 12 TO's in 9 games in 2004!

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Let's look at the 2005 Pro Bowl roster and compare the QBs that were named for the NFC.

Matt Hasselbeck: 3459 yards, 24 TDs, 9 INT. 98.2 rating, led his team to 13 wins. Highest rated passer in the NFC.

Jake Delhomme: 3421 yards, 24 TDs, 16 INT. 88.1 rating, led his team to 11 wins. 4th rated passer in the NFC.

Michael Vick: 2412 yards, 15 TDs, 13 INT. 73.1 rating, led his team to 8 wins. 12th rated passer in the NFC.

And now Brunell: 3050 yards, 23 TDs, 10 INT. 85.9 rating, led his team to 10 wins. 5th rated passer in the NFC.

Now draw your own conclusions. I don't see how Brunell isn't at least in the discussion when you talk about who had Pro Bowl caliber seasons in the NFC.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Let's look at the 2005 Pro Bowl roster and compare the QBs that were named for the NFC.

Matt Hasselbeck: 3459 yards, 24 TDs, 9 INT. 98.2 rating, led his team to 13 wins. Highest rated passer in the NFC.

Jake Delhomme: 3421 yards, 24 TDs, 16 INT. 88.1 rating, led his team to 11 wins. 4th rated passer in the NFC.

Michael Vick: 2412 yards, 15 TDs, 13 INT. 73.1 rating, led his team to 8 wins. 12th rated passer in the NFC.

And now Brunell: 3050 yards, 23 TDs, 10 INT. 85.9 rating, led his team to 10 wins. 5th rated passer in the NFC.

Now draw your own conclusions. I don't see how Brunell isn't at least in the discussion when you talk about who had Pro Bowl caliber seasons in the NFC.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much sums it up!

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I still can't believe Vick made it to the Pro Bowl. Total BS.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Brunell averaged well over 1 TO a game, 12 TO's in 9 games, and he's supposed to be the veteran, you can couple that with his opportunity to play and get most of the reps in practice for most of the year, [b]Ramsey didn't have the benefit of Brunells experience or a decieded advantage in reps in practice,[/b] as well Ramsey had the pleasure of coming into games in spot duty to try and bail us out of the hole Brunell left us in.

Irregardless of all that, don't try and make a case for TO's being the decieding factor between the 2 when Brunell has 12 TO's in 9 games in 2004![/QUOTE]
So what's your excuse for the preseason and the 1st game of the season, 4 possessions, 2 turnovers?

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[QUOTE=Paintrain]So what's your excuse for the preseason and the 1st game of the season, 4 possessions, 2 turnovers?[/QUOTE]

i know you're trying to make a point, but that fumble would have happened to anyone, ramsey got a piledriver straight into the ground and had to come off the field due to it. At the time a lot of people were expecting a flagrant foul to cancel the fumble. Either way, in that one speicifc instance it wasn't sloppy ball handling that caused that fumble, and at least 90% of QBs would also lose it.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Brunell lost 6 fumbles in 2005. Your boy Ramsey lost 3 fumbles in 2004, and he only played half a season. Meaning their fumble rates are equal. But Ramsey throws way more interceptions than Brunell.

Brunell is way better at managing a game. And if you don't like that, then you don't like winning.[/QUOTE]
Cause Brunell plays not to lose..... instead of playing to win....see but as the stakes got higher and teams got better that was no longer Good enough.......I bet Mr Saunders changes that!!!!! We'll see but I wouldn't count Ramsey out just yet....

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Brunell plays not to lose?? Explain 10 wins, and furthermore Brunell doesn't call his own plays. So how is he alone responsible for "playing not lose"?

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]Cause Brunell plays not to lose..... instead of playing to win....see but as the stakes got higher and teams got better that was no longer Good enough.......I bet Mr Saunders changes that!!!!! We'll see but I wouldn't count Ramsey out just yet....[/QUOTE]


I would count Ramsey out. Why? Because Gibbs informed Brunell, and Campbell of the Saunders hiring, and NOT future hall of famer Ramsey.

Ramsey is done here. Just deal with it and move on.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Let's look at the 2005 Pro Bowl roster and compare the QBs that were named for the NFC.

Matt Hasselbeck: 3459 yards, 24 TDs, 9 INT. 98.2 rating, led his team to 13 wins. Highest rated passer in the NFC.

Jake Delhomme: 3421 yards, 24 TDs, 16 INT. 88.1 rating, led his team to 11 wins. 4th rated passer in the NFC.

Michael Vick: 2412 yards, 15 TDs, 13 INT. 73.1 rating, led his team to 8 wins. 12th rated passer in the NFC.

And now Brunell: 3050 yards, 23 TDs, 10 INT. 85.9 rating, led his team to 10 wins. 5th rated passer in the NFC.

Now draw your own conclusions. I don't see how Brunell isn't at least in the discussion when you talk about who had Pro Bowl caliber seasons in the NFC.[/QUOTE]


Pro Bowl not quite. Brunell was 5th. Who was #2 and #3?

You have to disregard Vick. A popular choice, but he sure stunk up my Fantasy team all year!

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]I would count Ramsey out. Why? Because Gibbs informed Brunell, and Campbell of the Saunders hiring, and NOT future hall of famer Ramsey.

Ramsey is done here. Just deal with it and move on.[/QUOTE]

So offiss will you still be with us after Ramsey is traded? :woot::woot::woot:

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]So offiss will you still be with us after Ramsey is traded? :woot::woot::woot:[/QUOTE]

I think that's question #3!!!

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]I would count Ramsey out. Why? Because Gibbs informed Brunell, and Campbell of the Saunders hiring, and NOT future hall of famer Ramsey.

Ramsey is done here. Just deal with it and move on.[/QUOTE]
You're assuming ........when it happens then i might...... I'm more than sure saunders knows that Brunell cant execute the offense the way he expects.... so we'll see .... hell he could barely execute this anemic offense we have now.......

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[QUOTE=12thMan]Brunell plays not to lose?? Explain 10 wins, and furthermore Brunell doesn't call his own plays. So how is he alone responsible for "playing not lose"?[/QUOTE]
Greg Williams won those games ........not brunell

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]Greg Williams won those games ........not brunell[/QUOTE]

Monday night in Dallas. 'nuff said.