Re: Amerson Waived
 

[quote=Schneed10;1137638]First, you can only make moves based on how a guy is playing for you. When Amerson was waived not a single one of us complained because he was playing like crap. To see him turn it around in Oakland is a complete surprise, but all we had to go on was that he was playing like crap for us, and we can't change an entire defensive system for one player.

[B]Second, who has two thumbs and doesn't give a shit about how David Amerson is playing?[/B][/quote]

Truth. Who cares about ex-Redskins? They have absolutely no bearing on how good this team is.

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

From what you wrote above it seems like you only have a very cursory and uninformed understanding of what PFF does. This might help, although your mind is probably already made up...
[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/[/url]


How We Grade

Our approach to rating is thorough, one of a kind, and goes beyond the surface of the game.



Step 1

We grade. An analyst grades every single player and every single play on a scale of -2 to +2.


Step 2

We grade again. The initial grading is reviewed by a second analyst to ensure accuracy.


Step 3

We grade a third time. The second analyst’s grading is checked by a third analyst. You can never be too careful.


Step 4

We verify. Our grades are verified by the [B][U]Pro Coach Network [/U][/B]and their 400 years of combined NFL and college coaching experience.


Step 5

Advanced Normalization: The raw grades (as seen in our Premium Stats) are normalized to better account for the situation; this ranges from where the player lined up to the drop-back depth of the quarterback, to everything in between.


Step 6

We set the grade. Convert to 1-100 scale.
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Suffice it to say that the many NFL teams that [I][B]pay[/B][/I] for their service disagree with you.

Just because Cooley (who isn't infallible either) disagrees with 1 grade from 1 game (on a player who PFF grades as one of the best LT in the league) doesn't seem like a good reason to me to consider them garbage. Maybe Cooley should call up Howard Mudd (heard of him?) who works for PFF.


Anyhow....any comment about David? Or does he still sux because PFF is garbage?

Re: Amerson Waived
 

[quote=Schneed10;1137638]First, you can only make moves based on how a guy is playing for you. When Amerson was waived not a single one of us complained because he was playing like crap. To see him turn it around in Oakland is a complete surprise, but all we had to go on was that he was playing like crap for us, and we can't change an entire defensive system for one player.[/quote]True, but Amerson won't be the first nor the last player to have a sophomore slump or a bad season. The question becomes whether or not the talent/ability suggest they might be able to come out of that slump and whether its worth it to give them the chance.
And since you mention it, I didn't think Amerson should have been cut.

[quote]Second, who has two thumbs and doesn't give a shit about how David Amerson is playing?[/quote]Very paradoxical.

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PFF is a good reference to be considered and weighed by any fan-atic. i dont like how every time i go on there, i cant find what i am looking for and seems like you to have to pay to see anythign worthwhile.

It does have known acknowledged faults.

1. it grades per play but if the graders dont know the play call, how can you really judge a play. what grade does each O line player get when leribeus was snapping the ball early and no one was ready? does trent get a -2 for that sack where he didnt move bc leribeus screwed up?

2. arbitrary. "So if a 0.5 was given for a good short pass, what exactly is a good short pass? The two touchdowns thrown by Aaron Rodgers to Randall Cobb for touchdowns Monday night vs the Chiefs should constitute as good short passes and maybe more because of the congestion that generally occurs in the red zone. Apparently not though, because PFF graded them out as non impact throws because they were simple speed outs that the QB was “expected to make.” The issue that I have with this is that if this is so easy, then why can’t so many other QBs score as consistently, and with as much ease, as Rodgers does in the red zone? Rodgers should absolutely deserve some credit for recognizing the situation, making pre-snap adjustments, and flinging it to Cobb in 0.3 seconds. Also, is PFF really trying to tell me that over 400 years of NFL and college coaching experience (see Step 4 above) can’t tell you that Aaron Rodgers had a phenomenal game yesterday?"

[url=http://paradimetime.com/the-issues-that-surround-pro-football-focus/]The Issues That Surround Pro Football Focus - Paradime Time Sports[/url]

3. rushed work. cooley brought this point up. how can they possibly effectively grade every player every play and have the grades out by monday or tuesday? cooley thinks they are rushing it.
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bottom line imo - its not perfect but the guys at PFF are trying to enact objective grades for a subjective subject matter and i tip my hat to them. each person can give PFF grades what ever weight they want.

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amerson - [B]i think his attitude and personality was the opposite of what SM wants in his locker room.[/B] i always found amerson to be wanna-be male model celebrity first, football player second. amerson was suspended last year for being late or missing a practice. i read an article about amerson a few months ago where he admitted he wasnt taking things as serious as he should and being waived really woke him up.

amerson is soft. it sent a message to players in the locker room that its more than where you were drafted. i think some of the more die hard players probably liked the message.

eat-sleep-breathe-shit football 24/7/365 .. or go play for somebody like the raiders.

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where can i find "sacks allowed" stat?

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Good for Amerson, but seriously who cares

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Amerson waived- so I waved back.

Fresh air and change did him some good. Good for him

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if my photo meme phase is annoying, im sorry ..

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[quote=30gut;1137643]

Very paradoxical.[/quote]

Yet another point made in this thread that I don't care about. I think we're batting 1.000 here.

Re: Amerson Waived
 

[quote=30gut;1137642]Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

From what you wrote above it seems like you only have a very cursory and uninformed understanding of what PFF does. This might help, although your mind is probably already made up...
[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/[/url]


How We Grade

Our approach to rating is thorough, one of a kind, and goes beyond the surface of the game.



Step 1

We grade. An analyst grades every single player and every single play on a scale of -2 to +2.


Step 2

We grade again. The initial grading is reviewed by a second analyst to ensure accuracy.


Step 3

We grade a third time. The second analyst’s grading is checked by a third analyst. You can never be too careful.


Step 4

We verify. Our grades are verified by the [B][U]Pro Coach Network [/U][/B]and their 400 years of combined NFL and college coaching experience.


Step 5

Advanced Normalization: The raw grades (as seen in our Premium Stats) are normalized to better account for the situation; this ranges from where the player lined up to the drop-back depth of the quarterback, to everything in between.


Step 6

We set the grade. Convert to 1-100 scale.
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Suffice it to say that the many NFL teams that [I][B]pay[/B][/I] for their service disagree with you.

Just because Cooley (who isn't infallible either) disagrees with 1 grade from 1 game (on a player who PFF grades as one of the best LT in the league) doesn't seem like a good reason to me to consider them garbage. Maybe Cooley should call up Howard Mudd (heard of him?) who works for PFF.


Anyhow....any comment about David? Or does he still sux because PFF is garbage?[/quote]

That was perhaps Trent Williams' best game of the season. He didn't play well, he dominated and PFF gave him a negative grade.

With all those layers of redundancy, the analysis must take less than 5 seconds at each layer to get through so many players so quickly and produce a grossly incorrect grade on Trent.

If they were so wrong, despite all the safeguards about Trent, why should they be trusted regarding any player?

Cooley knows the plays, knows what responsibility each player has and actually spends time watching and rewatching the film. Until you can show me why his take isn't correct, I'm going with his knowledge and experience, over some anonymous guy(s) that churns out grades in record time every week. Especially, when it matches what I'm seeing on the DVR.

I don't like PFF because they were so wrong on Trent. I don't like QBR because of the Tebow/Rodgers incident.

If you think they are a credible source despite the huge error, that's fine with me.

I just thought that since my "PFF is garbage post" was typical, I would try to make an atypical post and explain.

If a Metric/Analysis can be so wrong once, it can be wrong anytime and the average fan (me) doesn't have the time to sift through how much of their product is BS.

Regarding Amerson, I don't care one way or the other how he is playing.

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[quote=over the mountain;1137647]amerson is soft. it sent a message to players in the locker room that its more than where you were drafted. i think some of the more die hard players probably liked the message.

eat-sleep-breathe-shit football 24/7/365 .. or go play for somebody like the raiders.[/quote]

Totally agree with the rest of your post, but this stood out.

Ditto.

Re: Amerson Waived
 

[quote=Schneed10;1137638]First, you can only make moves based on how a guy is playing for you. When Amerson was waived not a single one of us complained because he was playing like crap. To see him turn it around in Oakland is a complete surprise, but all we had to go on was that he was playing like crap for us, and we can't change an entire defensive system for one player.

Second, who has two thumbs and doesn't give a shit about how David Amerson is playing?[/quote]


Remember that time we let Carlos Rogers walk? He then turned around and had a career year in his 1 year deal he signed with San Fran. Directly after signing a larger contract, he went back to being utter shit that couldn't handle a pass?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.


Many of these guys (especially highly drafted players) have this sense of entitlement that they feel they should be handed starting jobs. The soon realize quickly their career is going to be over shortly if they don't actually play to their potential. Often times, it takes being cut for a person to get that main aspect about the NFL.

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I cant believe we cut Delbert Cowsette.

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I CAN'T Believe that Dallas Startz guy never panned out......

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[quote=Meks;1137678]I CAN'T Believe that Dallas Startz guy never panned out......[/quote]

Marcus Mason never got a fair shot. He earned the starting job.