Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

Bad QB play,awful OL play,WRs cant catch a cold, RB cant hold on to the ball,awful play calling at times,etc.etc..You name it the Redskins have alot of problems.But for Portis to run his mouth about his coach is not the way to vent his frustration.What if the Redskins were 13-0 right now,and Zorn benched him,would he run his gums then.I like Portis dont get me wrong,but im tired of the finger pointing.The defense is trying to keep all of this together does anyone care about them working there asses off.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=SmootSmack;509970]Just people I've talked to have said that Zorn is treating veterans and rookies equally and that just doesn't work in the NFL. Veterans expect a different level of respect. Further, almost all the players don't like that he's been calling out the players on execution and seemingly taking no blame for the schemes. Additionally, some players say that Campbell has been blaming others in the locker room for his struggles. It's a bit of a mess right now mainly stemming from losing and the frustrations that go along with that.

Having a tight, cohesive locker room is one of (some would say the only one) Gibbs' traits that is sorely missed right now. But I think it's a passing thing that will improve.[/quote]

Been saying this for months...
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Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;510057]So was Zorn a douche in every game that we lost? Because he has taken it upon himself to blast players for week now.[/quote]


I have listened to every post game presser from JZ... he has never blasted players. Please give me an example.... I must have missed something.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

Just listened to the whole CP interview. Definitely sounds like JZ is losing the locker room. Definitely needs to be addressed.

The fact that CP mocked JZ as a "genius" tells me he has zero respect for the guy.

Also, in the interview CP said that JC is basically given a formation and then he has to call the play from there... if thats true I think JC deserves a lot less critisism than he is getting. He is actually doind a decent job in first year in the WCO.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=maroonandblack30;510093]I have listened to every post game presser from JZ... he has never blasted players. Please give me an example.... I must have missed something.[/quote]

How many times have you heard him say "we just failed to execute"....

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

Well we better beat Cincy next week and end up going at least 2-1 the rest of the way. To be honest Zorn better get the job done ASAP meaning '09 or I can see Portis wanting out bad. Barry Sanders gave up the assured rushing title because he was totally fed up with Detroit. IF Clinton deems this squad as a bunch of quitters and lame ass tricks, he might opt for a trade after '09. The guy can't be the only one giving it his all all the time. JC needs to step it up and show some leadership if he wants to be the fracnhise QB. Even Matt Ryan is stepping it up in that regard(being a leader) and he is a rookie.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

This would have never happened if Coach Joe was there!

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=maroonandblack30;510098]Just listened to the whole CP interview. Definitely sounds like JZ is losing the locker room. Definitely needs to be addressed.

The fact that CP mocked JZ as a "genius" tells me he has zero respect for the guy.

Also, in the interview CP said that JC is basically given a formation and then he has to call the play from there... if thats true I think JC deserves a lot less critisism than he is getting. He is actually doind a decent job in first year in the WCO.[/quote]


I think you just contradicted your own argument in a way. If JC is calling the plays, then Zorn isn't the one responsible for the lousy play calling. But then again, it should be Zorn or the OC calling the plays. Either way it doesn't look good for us. One hand we, have a QB that can't call decent plays and on the other, we have a delinquent coach not really doing his job.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

Portis kept his mouth shut when Gibbs was here. (For the most part). Gibbs commanded respect and in turn, respected his players.

Zorn.. Something is off with him. If he's treating vets and rookies all the same, I think I'd feel a little disrespected too. It's almost like giving a promotion to the entry level Joe, that's been working at your job for a few months, while you've been busting your ass for years.

Maybe Zorn will be able to adjust in the last following weeks, but you definitely don't wanna end the year on bad terms with your players. As for Portis, I have no problem with him airing dirty laundry, so long as it doesn't stick a knife in the team morale.

You'd think T.O was playing for the Skins judging from some people's opinions here..

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

You have a problem with someone, be a man and talk to them in private. Try to resolve it. This show very little class and respect on the part of Portis. Very disappointing.
What is wrong with people now a days? Showing him up on TV is incredibly stupid and chicken shit.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=Defensewins;510113]You have a problem with someone, be a man and talk to them in private. Try to resolve it. This show very little class and respect on the part of Portis. Very disappointing.
What is wrong with people now a days? Showing him up on [B]TV[/B] is incredibly stupid and chicken shit.[/quote]

Radio.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

Portis is right on almost all accounts. But he needs to not air it out in the media, because that only makes matters worse. Instead of having a fractured locker room, now they have a fractured locker room visible to the public and the media.

Nevertheless, he makes numerous points all of which make me long for the steady leadership of Joe Gibbs.

- Never criticize your players in the papers, on TV, or on the radio. Don't say things like "we didn't execute." If you have a problem with a player, take it up with him in the locker room. Treat it like family. If you're going to criticize guys outside of the family, don't be shocked if they do the same to you.

- There's a reason you always heard Gibbs say "they fought their guts out." He wasn't going to admonish anyone in the press, he'd do it behind closed doors. Players respected him because he showed them that level of respect. You don't "command" respect, you earn it.

- Don't treat all players the same. There's a subtle caste system and seniority system in every workplace. Guys who bust their ass and prove they can perform at a high level deserve more leeway.

- If the head coach and team leader is going to personally tutor the QB, he needs to pay special attention to how the rest of the team views this. Campbell must be made to feel like one of the guys. As the QB he's the leader of the players, yes, but he's still a player. He cannot be above reproach, Zorn cannot continually defend him in the media while calling out other players.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

Good read by Boswell here, I tend to agree with him.

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Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=Schneed10;510122]Portis is right on almost all accounts. But he needs to not air it out in the media, because that only makes matters worse. Instead of having a fractured locker room, now they have a fractured locker room visible to the public and the media.

Nevertheless, he makes numerous points all of which make me long for the steady leadership of Joe Gibbs.

- Never criticize your players in the papers, on TV, or on the radio. Don't say things like "we didn't execute." If you have a problem with a player, take it up with him in the locker room. Treat it like family. If you're going to criticize guys outside of the family, don't be shocked if they do the same to you.

- [B]There's a reason you always heard Gibbs say "they fought their guts out." He wasn't going to admonish anyone in the press, he'd do it behind closed doors. Players respected him because he showed them that level of respect. You don't "command" respect, you earn it.[/B]

- Don't treat all players the same. There's a subtle caste system and seniority system in every workplace. Guys who bust their ass and prove they can perform at a high level deserve more leeway.

- If the head coach and team leader is going to personally tutor the QB, he needs to pay special attention to how the rest of the team views this. Campbell must be made to feel like one of the guys. As the QB he's the leader of the players, yes, but he's still a player. He cannot be above reproach, Zorn cannot continually defend him in the media while calling out other players.[/quote]

Isn't it funny how fans grew to hate that? Now Zorn is on the hot seat for doing the very thing that people wanted Gibbs to do. Hilarious.

Joe did it the right way, maybe he took it to an extreme but still, it was something the players definitely respected. They knew he had their back, and as a result there was a high level of trust there.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=Defensewins;510113]You have a problem with someone, be a man and talk to them in private. Try to resolve it. This show very little class and respect on the part of Portis. Very disappointing.
What is wrong with people now a days? Showing him up on TV is incredibly stupid and chicken shit.[/quote]

The same should go for Zorn.