Re: Did Don Imus Go Too Far (Again) With His Latest Comments?
 

[quote=saden1;454175]Slavery was put to an end by one side of this nation (The Union) on moral grounds [B](got to love Abe Lincoln)[/B] as well as tactical grounds. And of course who can forget the Jim Crow Years that only ended 40 years ago.[/quote]and the Republican Party. :duel:

(just throwing a little zing out there, not trying to start another debate):)

Re: Did Don Imus Go Too Far (Again) With His Latest Comments?
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;454197]and the Republican Party. :duel:

(just throwing a little zing out there, not trying to start another debate):)[/quote]


Only by name, not [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_South"]ideology[/URL]. It's actually pretty fascinating how the transformation took place. The party of Lincoln is a nice marketing slogan though.

Re: Did Don Imus Go Too Far (Again) With His Latest Comments?
 

[QUOTE=Buster;454144]Oh and with your slew of political links...Clinton's "sexism" is also largely media-generated with a side of dirty politics.
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As I recall your original argument was that minorities like Al Sharpton drum up controversy in the media around racial issues, and that similar woman's groups don't exist to protest the sexism of Howard Stern (who also gets away with indulging in a level of racism that dwarfs Imus's but whatever) or at least that the media doesn't take up these issues. I was pointing out that, at a time when sexism in America has been one of the dominant news stories for the last two months, drummed up and insisted upon by angry woman's groups, it's perhaps not so accurate to suggest that minorities are more actively charging discrimination in the media than woman. It's simply not true right now.

You can't have it both ways. You can't boycott the liberal media and then make sweeping arguments about this same media, because you run the risk of looking like you don't know what you are talking about.

Re: Did Don Imus Go Too Far (Again) With His Latest Comments?
 

[quote=saden1;454200]Only by name, not [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_South"]ideology[/URL]. It's actually pretty fascinating how the transformation took place. The party of Lincoln is a nice marketing slogan though.[/quote]

Race was certainly a major factor in the transformation of southern voting patterns, but abortion, the drug culture, sexual liberation, and the idea that the Democratic Party sort of looks down on religion were also important. It's tempting for Democrats to pretend that the switch was merely the result of the racism of white southerners, but these other issues are critical as well.

In addition, I think there has been an attempt to convince people that the Democrats have always been for racial justice. Not so. I beleive that of the 27 votes against the 1964 Civil Rights Act, 22 were Democrats. Every Senator from the old south (save Ralph Yarborough of Texas), plus Robert Byrd of West Virginia comprised that 22. The Democrats had a southern strategy and benefitted from it greatly long before the Republicans did.

From Wiki:

By party and region
[I]Note : "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_States_of_America"][COLOR=#0000ff]Confederate States of America[/COLOR][/URL] in the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War"][COLOR=#0000ff]American Civil War[/COLOR][/URL]. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.[/I]

The original House version:[LIST][*]Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)[*]Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)[/LIST][LIST][*]Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)[*]Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)[/LIST]The Senate version:[LIST][*]Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Yarborough"][COLOR=#0000ff]Ralph Yarborough[/COLOR][/URL] of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas"][COLOR=#0000ff]Texas[/COLOR][/URL] voted in favor)[*]Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tower"][COLOR=#0000ff]John Tower[/COLOR][/URL] of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas"][COLOR=#0000ff]Texas[/COLOR][/URL])[*]Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd"][COLOR=#0000ff]Robert Byrd[/COLOR][/URL] of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia"][COLOR=#0000ff]West Virginia[/COLOR][/URL] opposed the measure)[*]Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) (Senators [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourke_Hickenlooper"][COLOR=#0000ff]Bourke Hickenlooper[/COLOR][/URL] of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa"][COLOR=#0000ff]Iowa[/COLOR][/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater"][COLOR=#0000ff]Barry Goldwater[/COLOR][/URL] of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona"][COLOR=#0000ff]Arizona[/COLOR][/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_L._Mechem"][COLOR=#0000ff]Edwin L. Mechem[/COLOR][/URL] of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico"][COLOR=#0000ff]New Mexico[/COLOR][/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milward_L._Simpson"][COLOR=#0000ff]Milward L. Simpson[/COLOR][/URL] of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming"][COLOR=#0000ff]Wyoming[/COLOR][/URL], and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norris_H._Cotton"][COLOR=#0000ff]Norris H. Cotton[/COLOR][/URL] of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Hampshire"][COLOR=#0000ff]New Hampshire[/COLOR][/URL] opposed the measure)[/LIST]Ralph Yarborough had an interesting career. Democrats in Texas attempted to play the race card way back in the day. Again from Wiki:

Ralph Yarborough was urged to run again for state attorney general in 1952, and he planned to do so until he received a personal affront by Governor Allan Shivers who told him not to run. Out of spite, Ralph Yarborough then ran in the primaries for governor in 1952 and 1954 against the conservative Shivers, drawing support from [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_union"][COLOR=#0000ff]labor unions[/COLOR][/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal"][COLOR=#0000ff]liberals[/COLOR][/URL]. Yarborough denounced the corrupt "[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivercrats"][COLOR=#0000ff]Shivercrats[/COLOR][/URL]" for veterans' fraud in the General Land Office and for endorsing the Republican Eisenhower/Nixon ticket for President instead of Democrat [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adlai_Stevenson"][COLOR=#0000ff]Adlai Stevenson[/COLOR][/URL] in 1952. Shivers portrayed Yarborough as an integrationist supported by communists and labor unions. The 1954 election was particularly nasty in its race-baiting by Shivers as it was the year that [I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education"][COLOR=#0000ff]Brown v. Board of Education[/COLOR][/URL][/I] was decided, and Shivers made the most of the court decision in order to play on voters' racism. [B]In one particularly odious episode, a black man was hired to drive around [/B][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Texas"][COLOR=#0000ff][B]East Texas[/B][/COLOR][/URL][B] in a Cadillac full of Yarborough stickers and to be obnoxious and insult gas station attendants. The man would say he was busy and had to hurry "to work for Mr. Yarborough."[/B] Yarborough made it to the primary runoff and came surprisingly close to beating Shivers despite receiving almost no newspaper endorsements, being out-fundraised, and being the target of nasty attacks

Re: Did Don Imus Go Too Far (Again) With His Latest Comments?
 

Certainly race wasn't the only factor. It was definitely a culmination of many things but the civil rights issue was the straw that broke the camels back. LBJ really captured the sentiments many democrats felt at the time which was the loss of the southern vote. He said to an aid after signing the civil rights act "we have just lost the South for a generation." Give JFK some props, he was a democrat who had tremendous foresight.

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