Re: Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey
 

[QUOTE=#56fanatic]What is a joke is the way people bitch and moan about Ramsey and how he always throws picks, he isn't going to lead us to the big game, he cant win against good teams, holds the ball to long, doesn't throw it away enough blah, blah blah. Then when we go and trade him or attempt to, those same people say hes worth a 2nd through 4th round pick. come on people. we are lucky to get a 6th rounder, especially for a player going into his 5th season and has statistically played 1 full season. 10-14 as a starter, around 50% or so completion percentage and around 70 QB rating. What makes you think he is worth more than a sixth, because we drafted him in the first, so what. What did san diego get when they traded leaf to the cowboys. I doubt it was anything about a 4th.[/QUOTE]

Tell me you didn't just compare Patrick Ramsey to Ryan Leaf!

Re: Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey
 

I think this is just hearsay from clayton. We aren't making any deals until after the collective bargin deal is made. I think its gonna be Abraham for Ramsey and a sixth round. ESPN often just says BS to ignite a fire for teams nothing more

Re: Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]You must be talking about the fans trashing him because I've never heard anyone in the organization trash him. Gibbs has always supported him publicly.[/QUOTE]


OK Matty, now I have heard everything!

Are you trying to make a case that Gibbs hasen't made this guy look as if he doesn't even know what a football looks like? Gibbs has treated him like a red headed step child, and torn him apart with his actions from day 1, while signing his praises when it doesn't count. Kind of like when we take an ass kicking and he lets everyone know how we fought our guts out, who are we kidding?


Bottom line, Ramsey is far more valuable than anything a 6th rd pick could bring back, especially the way we draft in the later rounds.

Re: Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey
 

[QUOTE=offiss]OK Matty, now I have heard everything!

Are you trying to make a case that Gibbs hasen't made this guy look as if he doesn't even know what a football looks like? Gibbs has treated him like a red headed step child, and torn him apart with his actions from day 1, while signing his praises when it doesn't count. Kind of like when we take an ass kicking and he lets everyone know how we fought our guts out, who are we kidding?


Bottom line, Ramsey is far more valuable than anything a 6th rd pick could bring back, especially the way we draft in the later rounds.[/QUOTE]

Has Gibbs [u]said[/u] anything about him publicly that could be classified as "trashing" him?

That's all I was saying.

Re: Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey
 

[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]Tell me you didn't just compare Patrick Ramsey to Ryan Leaf![/QUOTE]

you people take words and run with them dont you. I dont even have to answer that question do I.

The situation, not the player. 1st round pick who didn't pan out w/ the team that drafted them. Player that everyone thought or thinks will improve w/ a change of scenery. Player that has the arm to succeed.
come on, do you think I would compare careers, not even close

Re: Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey
 

You know Mods, we probably could consolidate the top three threads (not CBA) into one. We're kinda discussing the same issue from different angles on all of them. :)

Who's better Brunell or Ramsey??

Re: Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey
 

They've tried.....lol

Re: Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey
 

[QUOTE=skinsguy]They've tried.....lol[/QUOTE]

Yup, we've merged about 8,000 threads. I tried re-focusing the debate in a few threads. :frusty:

Re: Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey
 

The 6th is not worth trading for, question is can his replacement be signed for less. besides whoever comes in won't know the offense at all. so if if his value is truley that low combine him with a pick and get a player of value.becuase whom ever we bring in will be useless the first year til they know the offense.

Re: Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey
 

[QUOTE=56FAN]The 6th is not worth trading for, question is can his replacement be signed for less. besides whoever comes in won't know the offense at all. so if if his value is truley that low combine him with a pick and get a player of value.becuase whom ever we bring in will be useless the first year til they know the offense.[/QUOTE]

Ramsey's replacement is already on the roster. Ramsey was the #2. Next season, our #2 will be either Brunell or Campbell. We should be able to get a #3 near or at the veteran minimum.

Re: Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey
 

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Ramsey's replacement is already on the roster. Ramsey was the #2. Next season, our #2 will be either Brunell or Campbell. We should be able to get a #3 near or at the veteran minimum.[/QUOTE]


I heard Sean Taylor got a court appointed attorney fairly cheap as well. ;)

Re: Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey
 

From a cap perspective cutting/trading Ramsey will save us about $1.7M. While every little bit helps, this is chump change in the big picture. If there's no CBA, cutting Ramsey isn't gonna save us. And if there is a new CBA, we'll have enough restructure options that his $1.7M won't make a big difference.

So trading Ramsey for a 6th really does nothing to help our team, and probably hurts us as we'll lose a decent and experienced QB with a cheap contract for nothing.

Nevertheless I think Coach Gibbs is a stand-up guy and he's not gonna make Ramsey rot on our bench for another year. Especially not in the final year of his contract.

I think we'll end up trading him for whatever we can get - a 3rd, a 6th, or a couple kicking tees.

Re: Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey
 

[QUOTE=dmek25]celts32,of all the qbs you have named,who holds any value?culpepper and brees are injured(both pretty severely)kitna and griese are both HORRIBLE and simms is a rfa that will probably have his contract extended.would you want any of these guys as a starter here in washington?[/QUOTE]


Brees and Culpepper are both suposedly going to be fine. brees injury was never career threatening. Culpepper did his knee good but he is a QB so it's not like he will need the same recovery time that a RB would need under similar circumstances. When healthy I would love to have Brees, Culpepper or Simms over Ramsey. I don't even see how that is up for discussion. I don't think I am out on a limb saying that they all have shown more in the NFL than Ramsey has.

As for the other guys I mentioned...I don't love Kitna or Griese but they have done some good things in the NFL and probably have close to the same value as Ramsey. The only thing Ramsey has on those guys is that he's younger and some teams may feel he has a higher ceiling.

Re: Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey
 

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]I think this is just hearsay from clayton. We aren't making any deals until after the collective bargin deal is made. I think its gonna be Abraham for Ramsey and a sixth round. ESPN often just says BS to ignite a fire for teams nothing more[/QUOTE]

were not getting JA and a pick for ramsey... both teams are about to ditch players anyways, but JA is way above ramsey (and we're cap constrained now). JA may be going to the texans with a #1 and a #2 so the jets can get leinhart though...

Re: Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey
 

[QUOTE=irish]Simms got his team to the playoffs this year so he's not bad. PR could not even beat out an old geezer for the starting job with the skins.

The skins are lucky to even get a 6th round pick for PR. He's had a million chances and just could not get it done. The skins should take this offer and let everyone move on.[/QUOTE]


maybe if he had a fair shot.....he got robbed when gibbs came back