Re: Republican nominee for President
 

It's a choice like Arsenic....or Russian Roulette. They both may take you to the same place but there is at least some chance of success with one over the other.
Jeb.....

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What's the definition of success then? Not sure how any rational person can compare the family resumes and come away thinking the country is better off with another Bush. But I guess if you dig war and recessions bring it on.

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I do not have time tonight as other commitments hinder my progress. I'll take the time tomorrow to.....smite you righteously.

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unfunded war with (potentially) unfunded tax cuts! balance that budget - yeehaw!

I'd also go with neither, unless we're talking bush sr and bill, in which case i'd vote reagan.

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I would define success as the resolution to some of the more pressing issues this country faces.
Not necessarily in this order or limited to the following:

Border control/immigration
Budget Deficit/Debt
Foreign Policy/Middle East
Unemployment
Tax Code
Reduce the FED

Makes no sense to parlay the choice of Bush/Clinton as neither is on my radar
AND to stick the war thing on Bush is...absurd

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[quote=Hog1;1123118]I would define success as the resolution to some of the more pressing issues this country faces.
Not necessarily in this order or limited to the following:

Border control/immigration
Budget Deficit/Debt
Foreign Policy/Middle East
Unemployment
Tax Code
Reduce the FED

[B]Makes no sense to parlay the choice of Bush/Clinton as neither is on my radar[/B]
AND to stick the war thing on Bush is...absurd[/quote]

I absolutely don't believe that HC will be the democratic nominee or that JB will be the republican one. Those two names win the early headlines simply because they are names. But Hillary will lose the Democratic base just like she did to Obama, in 2008. And Bush is running at best 4th, and he's not picking up Trump suppporters after Trump is gone.

I don't know who will come out and beat Hillary for the Democratic nomination, but my guess is a new candidate will emerge shortly and be the touted as "true" heir to Obama's policies

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in September 2007, Real Clear Politics polls showed Hillary with a [URL="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html"]42 to 23 point[/URL] lead over then Sen Obama.

Right now she has a [URL="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html"]43- 24 point lead[/URL] over Sanders.

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[quote=Hog1;1123118]
AND to stick the war thing on Bush is...absurd[/quote]

not the war part, the unfunded part.

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[quote=Mattyk;1122285]Just curious, would you guys rather have another Bush in the White House or another Clinton?[/quote]

I absolutely want neither. But I think Hillary would do the better job

Re: Republican nominee for President
 

Personally, I would vote for Dr. Ben Carson. He seems to be the most intelligent candidate, and like Trump, seems to be disconnected enough from the political machine to actually make sense.

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[QUOTE=kct1975;1123375]Personally, I would vote for Dr. Ben Carson. He seems to be the most intelligent candidate, and like Trump, seems to be disconnected enough from the political machine to actually make sense.[/QUOTE]


I have a hard time praising someone's intelligence when they call the big bang theory a fairy tale.

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As a politician, Ben Carson is a brilliant neurosurgeon.

Re: Republican nominee for President
 

Ben Carson
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ben Carson
Ben Carson at CPAC 2015.jpg
Carson speaking at CPAC, February 2015
Born Benjamin Solomon Carson
September 18, 1951 (age 64)
Detroit, Michigan, United States
Fields Pediatric Neurosurgery
Institutions Johns Hopkins Hospital
Alma mater Yale University (B.A.)
University of Michigan (M.D.)
Known for Separation of conjoined twins
Hemispherectomy
Conservative political commentary
Notable awards Presidential Medal of Freedom
Ford's Theatre Lincoln Medal
Spouse Lacena "Candy" (Rustin) Carson (m. 1975)
Children 3 sons:
Murray
Benjamin, Jr.
Rhoeyce
Website
[url]www.bencarson.com[/url]

Benjamin Solomon "Ben" Carson, Sr. (born September 18, 1951) is an American author and retired Johns Hopkins neurosurgeon. On May 4, 2015, Carson announced he was running for the Republican nomination in the 2016 presidential election at a rally in Detroit, his hometown.[1]

Carson was the first surgeon to successfully separate twins conjoined at the head. In 2008, he was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President George W. Bush.

After delivering a widely publicized speech at the 2013 National Prayer Breakfast, he became a popular conservative figure in political media for his views on social and political issues.[2]

Seems like a regular dumbass to me......

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It's interesting to me how conservatives have been drawn to non traditional political candidates so far. I thought the tea party candidates would fill that vacuum of the non traditional, but trump, Carson and fiorina are true outsiders.

Dems seem content with the most orthodox of political candidate.

Doesn't that seem a little strange...the republican side stepping more outside the box?

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Well, the Republicans......did free the slaves.

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Trump says we should keep the name....

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/wsh/washington-redskins]Washington Redskins Football Clubhouse - ESPN[/url]

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I work for a major corporation and its benifits time for the coming year.

Welp, our medical insurrance is effing going up 20% minimum. some folks family plans are going up an additional $100 per paycheck. they pushing folks to the high deductable plans and out of pocket cash for doctor visits.

people are livid.

This is the affect of obamacare...single mothers are in tears.

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^ Sounds like your classic passing the buck scenario. Large corporations should man up and take care of their employees.

Meanwhile this happened at least

[url=http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20151008/NEWS/310089999]Obama signs law preventing premium hikes under ACA - Modern Healthcare Modern Healthcare business news, research, data and events[/url]

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More brilliance from Carson

[url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34485358]Ben Carson defends linking gun control to the Holocaust - BBC News[/url]

[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/10/06/carson-on-oregon-shooting-i-would-not-just-stand-there-and-let-him-shoot-me/"]Carson on Oregon shooting: ‘I would not just stand there and let him shoot me’[/URL]

The more this guy talks the dumber he gets.

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[quote=Hog1;1123410]Ben Carson
From Wikipedia,

Seems like a regular dumbass to me......[/quote]


The man is a genius, his work as a Doctor is second to none and I am sincere about this he operated on a friends son and saved his life.Yet as a Politician especially as President he is clueless.

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I do not...wholly disagree with you.

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[quote=Mattyk;1124655]More brilliance from Carson

[URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34485358"]Ben Carson defends linking gun control to the Holocaust - BBC News[/URL]

[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/10/06/carson-on-oregon-shooting-i-would-not-just-stand-there-and-let-him-shoot-me/"]Carson on Oregon shooting: ‘I would not just stand there and let him shoot me’[/URL]

The more this guy talks the dumber he gets.[/quote]

......What part of his comments do you take issue with?

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It would be easier to ask what I don't take issue with.

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[quote=Giantone;1124661]The man is a genius, his work as a Doctor is second to none and I am sincere about this he operated on a friends son and saved his life.Yet as a Politician especially as President he is clueless.[/quote]

I too have friends that Carson worked on and I totally respect his work as a doctor... But holy shit, he so absolutely clueless when it comes to politics that it's bordering on frightening.

He is exhibit A of trying to stick a square peg in a round hole.

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[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-gops-scariest-candidate/2015/10/12/370444f2-710d-11e5-9cbb-790369643cf9_story.html"]The GOP’s scariest candidate[/URL]

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Bernie sanders....this guy is the trump of the dems. What a joke, this guy is terrible

Re: Republican nominee for President
 

[url=http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/30/media/cnbc-gop-debate-reactions-shellshocked/index.html?iid=hp-toplead-dom]'Shell-shocked' CNBC staffers had long flight home - Oct. 30, 2015[/url]

I was watching 4 things at once...but the moderaters and csnbc were terrible. Pretty funny NBC and MSNBC were told not to criticise the debate. Because that was fair and honest "news" channels do, skew facts

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[url=http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-says-he-would-certainly-implement-muslim-database-n466716]Donald Trump's Plan for a Muslim Database Draws Comparison to Nazi Germany - NBC News[/url]

jeez, what an idiot

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Trump and Carson have been dishing out some serious crazy lately. The right has gone full retard.

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[quote=Mattyk;1129944]Trump and Carson have been dishing out some serious crazy lately. The right has gone full retard.[/quote]

I got nothing...agree.

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Folks, your GOP frontrunner

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-muslim-immigration-us_5665f75de4b072e9d1c7252b]Donald Trump Calls For 'Complete Shutdown' Of Muslims Entering U.S.[/url]

When is this crazy train going to end?

Re: Republican nominee for President
 

What part do you have a problem with?

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Sad when I have to agree with Paul Ryan but he nails it

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/08/paul-ryans-succinct-near-perfect-response-to-donald-trumps-muslim-immigrant-ban/[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1132058]Sad when I have to agree with Paul Ryan but he nails it

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/08/paul-ryans-succinct-near-perfect-response-to-donald-trumps-muslim-immigrant-ban/[/url][/quote]

agree 100%...Paul Ryan, that is the guy I wanted to run.

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I would not disagree with any part of that.......
BUT after the feel good stuff has settled in, how good is our vetting process? Looking from the outside in, it appears to have the potential for many holes. If that is true we need to do...Whatever is necessary ensure that is not the case.

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There's no BUT to it really. Just to be clear... doing whatever is necessary cannot under any circumstance come down to excluding an entire group of people based on religion.

It feels sad to even have to have this discussion really. Trump is such a buffoon.

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[quote=MTK;1132090]There's no BUT to it really. Just to be clear... doing whatever is necessary cannot under any circumstance come down to excluding an entire group of people based on religion.

It feels sad to even have to have this discussion really. Trump is such a buffoon.[/quote]

If we cannot find sufficient info to clear/deny an individual for entry into our country, that person should be denied until that changes. That is what falls to our officials as their responsibility to keep this country safe. As can be seen, our country's borders have become a swinging gate with little thought given to National Security or deaths caused by failing to do so.

BTW...what percentage of applicants get denied on such a basis?

obama certainly has shown his cowardice in his failing to deal with such matters.

It has...Nothing to do with religion. What it has to do with is the....fact that the worlds single most impactful terrorist group which is currently killing large groups of people on a regular basis happens to claim Muslim as their religion.
BTW #2...I don't give a Fuck about Trump, but I do applaud his lack of fear..


BTW#3 If we are not subjecting...every Muslim male between the ages...say 18-50 to Serious scrutiny in the "vetting" process, we all deserve to die for our stupidity.
It is a matter of "Common Sense", but has become lost.......

Re: Republican nominee for President
 

Trump lacks a lot of things that's for sure. Fear? I dunno, he seems like a big pussy to me with his constant fear mongering of immigrants and Muslims.

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[quote=MTK;1132130]Trump lacks a lot of things that's for sure. Fear? I dunno, he seems like a big pussy to me with his constant fear mongering of immigrants and Muslims.[/quote]

Also it seems so telegraph and predictable at this point. Some of the things he is saying, does he really believe it? I don't think he does...he seems like a salesman

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[quote=Hog1;1132085]I would not disagree with any part of that.......
BUT after the feel good stuff has settled in, how good is our vetting process? Looking from the outside in, it appears to have the potential for many holes. If that is true we need to do...Whatever is necessary ensure that is not the case.[/quote]

I am still very confident in the vetting process.

[url=http://www.state.gov/j/prm/ra/admissions/index.htm]U.S. Refugee Admissions Program[/url]

We have the information we need we just need to get it to the right people. This has been going on for decades. When need to spend, the time effort and yes even money to tighten up our information distribution process instead of shutting down a system as Trump suggests.