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[quote=skinsfan69;1103532]I really don't think the drinking will be an issue anymore. Sounds like he's cleaned that part of his life up. He's a grown man and if he wants to have a beer then so be it. Just keep it under control.[/quote]

Come on - really? Alcoholism is a [U]lifetime[/U] problem, [U]always[/U] with relapses.

[B]There is near certainty this will be a problem again. [/B]


Personally I think an alcoholic really [U]cannot continue to drink beer or any alcohol[/U], it's heading to disaster. Is there anything wrong with drinking beer? Not for you or me perhaps, but for an alcoholic it's just disaster. The real question is only when he will relapse, how will he deal with it, and who his support circle will be to help him with it. If he develops a good friend/support circle, he can get through his relapses without losing his career / his life. And not to mention developing cirrhosis by 50 years old. Mark my words, if his eyes start to turn yellow and his belly gets real big - his liver is failing.



Anyway, I still love the move, well worth the risks. Would be nice to still have AJ Smith as backup if McCloughan can't keep it together over the next few years.

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Haslett gone. New GM.... [I]is this real life?[/I] oh happy day!

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I hope Mc can "clue in" our scouting department.

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[quote=WillH;1103578]I hope Mc can [B]replace[/B] our scouting department.[/quote]


Fixed that for you.

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[quote=Zerohero;1103567]Seems like a great move but I'll grade it in a couple of years. Been a fan since 86 and this has been one of the more demoralizing years to watch. Cancelling the NFL package.[/quote]


I had the NFL package when it was born up till 2010 when I moved East. I thought they were giving it away or at a steep discount now.

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Is this a done deal or not? I'm seeing reports he still interviewing with the Raiders and Jets.

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yeah, rumors floating around about deal not signed yet.

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Deal is done. Just working out the money

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Doesn't the Rooney rule apply to GM hires too? Were any African American candidates interviewed?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1103586]Doesn't the Rooney rule apply to GM hires too? Were any African American candidates interviewed?[/quote]

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/07/report-washington-satisfies-rooney-rule-with-rod-graves-interview/]Report: Washington satisfies Rooney Rule with Rod Graves interview | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[url=http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12014699/scot-mccloughan-nfl-best-talent-scout-self-employed-living-farm]Scot McCloughan is NFL's best talent scout, self-employed and living on a farm[/url]. That's a link to a detailed article in ESPN The Magazine about McCloughan.....

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It seems that nobody can be successful in this organization but time will tell. I think its a good hire but then again I thought Allen was a good hire.

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I think once McC takes the reigns we are going to see a complete roster rebuild and more transactions this year than expected.

Where before I think players like Reily, Garcon, Lauvo were "safe"...yeah, not so much any more.

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The irony is that the fact that he signed with the Redskins makes you have to question whether his decision making skills are strong enough to turn the Redskins around.

This time things will be different though. Really, this time things will change. Just kidding. What's the over/under in years before the threat "Fire McCloughan" thread is posted on the Warpath?

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April 2, 2017

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[quote=Coff;1103609]The irony is that the fact that he signed with the Redskins makes you have to question whether his decision making skills are strong enough to turn the Redskins around.

This time things will be different though. Really, this time things will change. Just kidding. What's the over/under in years before the threat "Fire McCloughan" thread is posted on the Warpath?[/quote]

Imagine the gratification of turning an org. Like this around. Imagine having that on your resume...
Cautiously optimistic...feels good to have hope.............but that's the same exact thing I say every year. Remember when we we're all saying "well, looks like we got that qb spot shored up." or "adding Hatcher should ensure a pass rush so good we won't have to worry about our secondary."
I hope it works out and we start to see some long term solutions, but I'm staring at the kool aid on the table, wondering what Dan has put in it....

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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1103612]Imagine the gratification of turning an org. Like this around. Imagine having that on your resume...
Cautiously optimistic...feels good to have hope.............but that's the same exact thing I say every year. Remember when we we're all saying "well, looks like we got that qb spot shored up." or "adding Hatcher should ensure a pass rush so good we won't have to worry about our secondary."
I hope it works out and we start to see some long term solutions, [B]but I'm staring at the kool aid on the table, wondering what Dan has put in it....[/B][/quote]

Light Beer

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[quote=mredskins;1103613]Light Beer[/quote]

Only acceptable if by light you mean ipa....

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Our organization has been a cluster but wouldn't you say that the biggest reason it's been a cluster is because of a lack of quality talent evaluators?

We had Vinny supporting Gibbs, we had Vinny running the show with Zorn, we had Allen supporting Shanahan, and now just Allen.

Giving Gibbs and Shanahan full control was a fine decision but they don't have time to do all that work themselves. They needed strong scouts supporting and making recommendations and they didn't have it.

So if you're McCloughan, don't you have to love the situation you're stepping into? You have an owner willing to spend a lot on players. You have a coach who's not going to try to wrestle power away from you. You have a team president who understands his shortcomings here and will allow you to do your job. If I'm McCloughan, I view myself as the missing piece of the puzzle in Washington. It's actually a good situation.

That said, we're so dreadfully lacking in talent right now that it's going to take some time for him to turn things around. That, and we have no idea if we have a QB or not.

It's an uphill battle but if I'm McC I'd much rather work for the Skins than the Raiders or Jets or whoever.

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[quote=Schneed10;1103615]Our organization has been a cluster but wouldn't you say that the biggest reason it's been a cluster is because of a lack of quality talent evaluators?

We had Vinny supporting Gibbs, we had Vinny running the show with Zorn, we had Allen supporting Shanahan, and now just Allen.

Giving Gibbs and Shanahan full control was a fine decision but they don't have time to do all that work themselves. They needed strong scouts supporting and making recommendations and they didn't have it.

So if you're McCloughan, don't you have to love the situation you're stepping into? You have an owner willing to spend a lot on players. You have a coach who's not going to try to wrestle power away from you. You have a team president who understands his shortcomings here and will allow you to do your job. If I'm McCloughan, I view myself as the missing piece of the puzzle in Washington. It's actually a good situation.

That said, we're so dreadfully lacking in talent right now that it's going to take some time for him to turn things around. That, and we have no idea if we have a QB or not.

It's an uphill battle but if I'm McC I'd much rather work for the Skins than the Raiders or Jets or whoever.[/quote]

To piggy back this idea, I think if you McC this is also his redemption. It perfect for the challenge he wants and needs. He wants a complete rebuild, this is the situation where he thrived previously.

Look at San Fran...they are crumbling now.

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[quote=Chico23231;1103608]I think once McC takes the reigns we are going to see a complete roster rebuild and more transactions this year than expected.

Where before I think players like Reily, Garcon, Lauvo were "safe"...yeah, not so much any more.[/quote]

Still trying to figure out why Garcon wouldn't be safe.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1103617]Still trying to figure out why Garcon wouldn't be safe.[/quote]

cap number, he became the no 2 by a good margin, had the new guy easily out pace his numbers and importance on the field, Shanny pick not Jay, new regime in FO


One thing working in his favor is the play of Andre Roberts

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[quote=Chico23231;1103618]cap number, he became the no 2 by a good margin, had the new guy easily out pace his numbers and importance on the field, Shanny pick not Jay, new regime in FO


One thing working in his favor is the play of Andre Roberts[/quote]

Getting rid of Garcon would be stupid. Beyond stupid.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1103619]Getting rid of Garcon would be stupid. Beyond stupid.[/quote]

I dont know if its that bad in a total rebuild mode, but I wouldnt be in favor of losing him at this time.

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Garcon's not going anywhere because the McCloughan hire is a clear pivot towards the draft as the source of talent for this team. And since they have $20M in cap space for free agents already, and because they won't be looking to free agency for a huge talent bonanza, they won't feel the pressure to clear additional cap space by cutting Garcon.

He's very safe.

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[quote=Chico23231;1103618]cap number, he became the no 2 by a good margin, had the new guy easily out pace his numbers and importance on the field, Shanny pick not Jay, new regime in FO


One thing working in his favor is the play of Andre Roberts[/quote]

There may be a cap management issue with Garcon's numbers, so they need to fix the cap problem. The player doesn't need fixing. Losing him would not make us better. He will continue to be a good player for years to come, so don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

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[quote=Schneed10;1103621]Garcon's not going anywhere because the McCloughan hire is a clear pivot towards the draft as the source of talent for this team. And since they have $20M in cap space for free agents already, and because they won't be looking to free agency for a huge talent bonanza, they won't feel the pressure to clear additional cap space by cutting Garcon.

He's very safe.[/quote]

The cap reason not the prevailing factor if he were to be cut, imo. But yeah McC is a draft guy, that could be another reason he might be let go.

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That makes zero sense, Chico.

If it's not a cap reason, then you must think it's a talent or fit reason to cut him. Which makes me question the way your brain works.

And I don't think McC would advocate cutting Garcon to add another receiver to take his place. Why would that make sense?

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[quote=Chico23231;1103627]The cap reason not the prevailing factor if he were to be cut, imo. But yeah McC is a draft guy, that could be another reason he might be let go.[/quote]

They couldeasily restructure his deal to pay him instead of cutting it may have to pay him dead cap

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It is funny what people fixate on; Garcon and Amerson. They both seem like low priorities to me.

I doubt they are racing through McC mind right now as things he has to do in his first month.

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[quote=Schneed10;1103629]That makes zero sense, Chico.

If it's not a cap reason, then you must think it's a talent or fit reason to cut him. Which makes me question the way your brain works.

And I don't think McC would advocate cutting Garcon to add another receiver to take his place. Why would that make sense?[/quote]

I feel like some of the posters on here are like Beatrice and the rest of us are the old ladies on the sofa. "This not how this works, this isn't how any of this works"

I am going to start calling off based posters on here Beatrice.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5fn087Jk4I[/url]

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[quote=Schneed10;1103629]That makes zero sense, Chico.

If it's not a cap reason, then you must think it's a talent or fit reason to cut him. Which makes me question the way your brain works.

And I don't think McC would advocate cutting Garcon to add another receiver to take his place. Why would that make sense?[/quote]

its just an opinion, but yeah I think the prevailing factor to being cut would just be performance on the field. I dont think he was that great this past year. I dont want to see him go.

I think the reason to cut and add would be to add more talent on the field...thats it.

And my brain is hurting today, but not because of the skins....which is an improvement!

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Not to mention we had crap starting at QB for 16 games this season. Garcon proved for two years he could be a reliable number 1 option if needed, and now we wanna get rid of him for what?

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[quote=mredskins;1103631]It is funny what people fixate on; Garcon and Amerson. They both seem like low priorities to me.

I doubt they are racing through McC mind right now as things he has to do in his first month.[/quote]

To compare Garcon to Amerson is like comparing LaVeon Bell to Roy Helu, big difference there. Not to mention you brought up Garcon if I am not mistaken.

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[quote=Chico23231;1103633]its just an opinion, but yeah I think the prevailing factor to being cut would just be performance on the field. I dont think he was that great this past year. I dont want to see him go.

I think the reason to cut and add would be to add more talent on the field...thats it.

And my brain is hurting today, but not because of the skins....which is an improvement![/quote]

OK I get it.

I think it's wrong to say Garcon wasn't good this year. I think the right way to say it is that he was way underutilized, partly because the Skins found a new dynamite downfield threat in Jackson, partly because the line couldn't protect adequately, and partly because the QB play was so sub-par.

If you cut Garcon and fix the offensive line and QB play, then WR will be a rate-limiting factor.

In other words: Garcon was not the problem. Someone else said it best, you'd be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

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Not to be a worry wort, but I still have yet to hear a formal deal being signed and completed. And the longer a deal is not signed, the more worried I am of the Redskins not being able to land McCloughan.

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I hope it happens.

From all the expert opinions, this guy is really good.

im interested to see what the power structure will be and see what he does this offseason.

schneed - my layperson opinion is that Allen has done a good job not handcuffing future caps with bad back loaded contracts. We also have some under performing or injured vets that can be cut at no real cap penalty.

are our present and future cap obligations in a very good position for McC to have a lot of freedom and options? i feel like for the first time in a long time, we have room and are not pressed up against the cap.

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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1103614]Only acceptable if by light you mean ipa....[/quote]

[url=http://www.thrillist.com/drink/nation/why-i-hate-ipas-thrillist-nation]Why I hate IPAs - Thrillist[/url]

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[quote=skinsguy;1103639]Not to be a worry wort, but I still have yet to hear a formal deal being signed and completed. And the longer a deal is not signed, the more worried I am of the Redskins not being able to land McCloughan.[/quote]

The deal is done, the details that have to be worked out are very minor

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People want to get rid of Garcon? He's a good football player. The lack of production from the QB position has a lot to do with the lack of production from the WR one.