Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

In some ways the pick makes a lot of sense. Campbell isn't likely to see any action this year, but his arrival may speed Brunell out after June 1st. Basically, we will have spent next year's draft pick on next year's player - if Ramsey doesn't pull a Drew Brees.

If Ramsey does step way up, we have the same possibilities that San Diego has right now. A veteran with a solid year (and considerable trade value), and a "rookie" with a year of practice and experience under his belt.

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

This is one pick that I don't think can be judged yet, because it's intended to be such a long-term solution.

I'll hate this pick if we are pathetic at scoring TDs in the red zone this year, and Mike Williams puts up 10 or more TDs with Detroit. I don't think that's very likely though, because as I've stated before, WRs take a long time to develop in most cases. But if our WRs work out OK this year, then I've got no problem with the Campbell pick.

The only way to see if Campbell will ever be worth the first rounder is to see how he's playing in 3 or 4 years. After all, we're just starting to figure out whether Ramsey was worth it 4 years ago. It takes a long time for the jury to come back on a QB.

I don't love it, I don't hate it. I'm just anxious to see how we play this year under Gibbs.

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

No matter how you feel about Canpbell...........if you like the pick or not. The Skins gave up to much for him. That's the botton line.

Right now I feel this front office Joe Gibbs included have no clue. I never imagined we would take a QB that early when we have so much more needs at other positions. Heath Miller was sitting there at 25 for us to grab. If you get him you give Ramsey A true threat at TE. With him and Cooley who plays H-back not T-End. The other teams safties and LB would have had there work cut out for them. What happens instead the Steelers who make the playoffs on a regular bases get Heath Miller.

Campell cost the team a 1st a 3rd and a 4th round pick makes me sick to my stomach....unbelievable







are offense would have made defenses

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

[QUOTE=Skinsfanforlife]No matter how you feel about Canpbell...........if you like the pick or not. The Skins gave up to much for him. That's the botton line.

[B]Heath Miller was sitting there at 25 for us to grab. If you get him you give Ramsey A true threat at TE. With him and Cooley who plays H-back not T-End. The other teams safties and LB would have had there work cut out for them. What happens instead the Steelers who make the playoffs on a regular bases get Heath Miller. [/B]
Campell cost the team a 1st a 3rd and a 4th round pick makes me sick to my stomach....unbelievable[/QUOTE]

Honestly, that is who I wanted when our pick came up at #25. After Mark Clayton had come and gone, I knew we would take Campbell, but I was praying we grabbed Heath Miller because I thought it would be a huge addition to the offense. I agree we gave up too much to get him; I would have much rather had us wait to see where we stood next year at QB, and then give up a lot to get one of next years QB crop.

I'd just like to say, for the record, that I really like Jason Campbell, I think he has a chance to be a good player for us. I just dont think it was very smart for us to draft him. Although I, like many ohters are up in arms about this pick and are overall baffled by it, I still welcome him with open arms now that he is on our team. I dont agree with the pick, but I hope both Ramsey and Campbell works out for us.

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

[QUOTE=RedskinPete]Well I really don't know what to make of it. I hope it works out but what the Skins have done over the years in the draft have been very poor. Even when they get it right they push the guy out of town or he is a bad guy not a true Redskin! The truth of it all is that those days may never be back!!!! Players like Arrington or Taylor are hired guns not true Redskins. I would have traded both for players in this draft that wanted to be here if I was running things. With no let down and even better!!!!! I know you all think these two walk on water but they don't like it here, they don't make the money they wanted[that gun at thier head when they signed should be reported!] or what ever the reason. I don't have time for guys like this....piss off and get someone who wants to be here![/QUOTE]

Damn, Pete. I think you captured the essence of how I feel about the Redskins right now. If the salary cap were no concern, I'd trade Arrington and Taylor right now, too. It's great to have a couple of headhunters like them roaming the defense, but these guys are as much of a headache (and headcases) for the Skins in the offseason as they are for the Skins' opponents during the season.

Unfortunately, I think it's increasingly difficult to find "true Redskins" in this era, but the decisions made by the front office over the past six years have contributed to the dearth of such "team players" on the roster. You live by the signing bonus, you die by the signing bonus.

Re: Jason Campbell
 

[QUOTE=offiss]SC, anybody that we would have put back there would have looked scared, that's what happens when no one is open downfield and the opposing defense knows what your running.

We also know Gibbs doesn't think that way because if he did Ramsey wouldn't be the starter this season, Gibbs said this is a value pick not a need pick, which makes it even more ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

please, how the heck would Ramsey know if anyone was open downfield. When did he ever look downfield? He dumped it off on a five yard route before anyone could get downfield

And Gibbs is lying when he says its a value pick and ont a need pick. IF we had the 25pth pick in the draft and campbell fell to us, and we took him, then its a value pick. When you trade you draft for next year to get a guy, prior to the draft for that matter, you arent doing it for value. Campbell is our qb of the future, start saying goodbye to ramsey

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

[QUOTE=Skinsfanforlife]No matter how you feel about Canpbell...........if you like the pick or not. The Skins gave up to much for him. That's the botton line.

Right now I feel this front office Joe Gibbs included have no clue. I never imagined we would take a QB that early when we have so much more needs at other positions. Heath Miller was sitting there at 25 for us to grab. If you get him you give Ramsey A true threat at TE. With him and Cooley who plays H-back not T-End. The other teams safties and LB would have had there work cut out for them. What happens instead the Steelers who make the playoffs on a regular bases get Heath Miller.

Campell cost the team a 1st a 3rd and a 4th round pick makes me sick to my stomach....unbelievable[/QUOTE]

Campbell actually cost the team TWO first rounders (the #25 pick this year AND the first rounder in 2006), plus the 3rd and 4th rounders. Pretty steep price for a guy that's not a surefire stud, and won't help the team for another 2 to 3 years, at least.

I was hoping they'd take Heath Miller, Roddy White, or a defensive end or linebacker. Anything but a quarterback with that pick. No matter who they took, though, it would be hard for them to prove worthy of two first-rounders, a 3rd and a 4th. Bad, bad draft management in my opinion.

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

Campbell seems to have alot of potential, but was he worth the 25th overall pick? I find it hard to justify that. Especially considering what else was on the board at that time. Perhaps down the road we'll change our tune, but right now it's disappointing we used a high pick on someone who's not going to contribute right away.

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

[QUOTE=joecrisp]Campbell actually cost the team TWO first rounders (the #25 pick this year AND the first rounder in 2006), plus the 3rd and 4th rounders. Pretty steep price for a guy that's not a surefire stud, and won't help the team for another 2 to 3 years, at least.

I was hoping they'd take Heath Miller, Roddy White, or a defensive end or linebacker. Anything but a quarterback with that pick. No matter who they took, though, it would be hard for them to prove worthy of two first-rounders, a 3rd and a 4th. Bad, bad draft management in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

That's my biggest concern with this move. I'm all for having depth at the QB position and leveraging yourself and being prepared in case Ramsey doesn't pan out or he does but chooses not to stay anyway.

But I'm not crazy about how much we gave up for him. I'm sure Campbell can be a very good starting QB in this league. But if you give up 4 draft picks, including two first rounders, for someone that guy better be the next Brett Favre.

If the Skins really felt they needed a QB for the future, why not just hold onto that #3 pick and take someone like Kyle Orton?

Re: Jason Campbell
 

It's insurance. Plain and simple. The more you think about it makes sense. Ramsey's contract ends in 2006. So this will give us the chance to have Campbell develope while Ramsey plays. Then if Ramsey is the second coming of Favre were set, if not we have a guy who has two years under his belt, knows the system and is ready to play.

I honestly hope that Campbell doesnt have to take a snap until 2 full years from now.

This year he is our #3. Next year Brunell gets the chop and he is our #2 and we will bring in some veteren as our #3.

We will be drafting another QB if Ramsey leaves, so get ready for that in a few years.

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

[QUOTE=BrudLee]In some ways the pick makes a lot of sense. Campbell isn't likely to see any action this year, but his arrival may speed Brunell out after June 1st. Basically, we will have spent next year's draft pick on next year's player - if Ramsey doesn't pull a Drew Brees.

If Ramsey does step way up, we have the same possibilities that San Diego has right now. A veteran with a solid year (and considerable trade value), and a "rookie" with a year of practice and experience under his belt.[/QUOTE]


We didn't need Campbell to do that Brunell did that all by himself.

Please, please, lets not compare Campbell to Rivers. Campbell push Ramsey? You actually have to have NFL ability to push a pro QB, this kid is going no where, and with that pick and what we gave up to get him we are now officially the laughing stock of the NFL. Not one annalist has stated that this was a good pick, and not one has said we recieved good value picking him at this spot, Kiper should have attacked management like he did the colt's when they took Trev Alberts.

Push Ramsey? If I where Ramsey I would show at training camp this summer with a lawn chair and a glass of lemonade!

Re: Jason Campbell
 

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]please, how the heck would Ramsey know if anyone was open downfield. When did he ever look downfield? He dumped it off on a five yard route before anyone could get downfield

And Gibbs is lying when he says its a value pick and ont a need pick. IF we had the 25pth pick in the draft and campbell fell to us, and we took him, then its a value pick. When you trade you draft for next year to get a guy, prior to the draft for that matter, you arent doing it for value. Campbell is our qb of the future, start saying goodbye to ramsey[/QUOTE]


SC, surely you make me laugh! :)

Re: Jason Campbell
 

[QUOTE=drew54]It's insurance. Plain and simple. The more you think about it makes sense. Ramsey's contract ends in 2006. So this will give us the chance to have Campbell develope while Ramsey plays. Then if Ramsey is the second coming of Favre were set, if not we have a guy who has two years under his belt, knows the system and is ready to play.

I honestly hope that Campbell doesnt have to take a snap until 2 full years from now.

This year he is our #3. Next year Brunell gets the chop and he is our #2 and we will bring in some veteren as our #3.

We will be drafting another QB if Ramsey leaves, so get ready for that in a few years.[/QUOTE]


Insurance? That's like buying flood insurance when you live on top of a mountain!

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

How do you figure we gave up two first round picks for Campbell? We only had the 9th pick in the first round this year, so in essence we gave up next years 1st & 4th plus this years 3rd for him. Considering how difficult it might be to sing a 1st rounder next year anyway, this could be a good move. Only time will tell whether it's good or not so good

Re: Jason Campbell
 

There some angry folks on the thread.
I can't believe what I am reading on some of them...especially from some of the huge Ramsey loyalists.
Someone said, "I am glad you think he (Campbell) will be a great QB for us, cause he wasen't a great QB for Auburn,..."
Huh? Wasn't a great QB for Auburn?
Campbell despite having 4 different offensive coordinators and systems in his four years at Auburn,still managed to have a 62% CAREER completion record.
With an SEC Championship on the line, Jason Campbell threw for a career-high 374 yards and three touchdowns againsts Tennessee to win the 2004 SEC Championship. The win completed Auburn’s first-ever 12-0 season. Named the game’s MVP, Campbell also rushed 13 times for 57 yards. His 374 passing yards and 431 total yards are SEC Championship game records.
He finished his senior year with 19 td's and only 7 int.
For the guys that say Ramsey is better prospect...Ramsey's Tulane played in the Conference USA. In 2000, Ramsey ledTulane to a 1-10 record against NCAA powerhouses like:
1) Sam Houston State
2) Northwestern State
3) Louisiana-Monroe
4) Middle Tennessee
Ramsey had his biggest career day against Navy. WOW!

Auburn on the other hand plays in the SEC. While they play one or two weak teams at the start of the year (like most teams) , the rest of the SEC has real teams like:
Georgia
LSU
Florida
Alabama
Arkansas
South Carolina
Someone mentioned the game will speed up for Campbell from SEC to NFL.
How about the speed up from the Confrence USA (Tulane) to NFL? I think Ramsey is still trying to catch up to the NFL.

Re: Jason Campbell
 

[QUOTE=offiss]Insurance? That's like buying flood insurance when you live on top of a mountain![/QUOTE]
Ramsey is the top of the Mountain.
LOL!

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

[QUOTE=joecrisp]Campbell actually cost the team TWO first rounders (the #25 pick this year AND the first rounder in 2006), plus the 3rd and 4th rounders. Pretty steep price for a guy that's not a surefire stud, and won't help the team for another 2 to 3 years, at least.

I was hoping they'd take Heath Miller, Roddy White, or a defensive end or linebacker. Anything but a quarterback with that pick. No matter who they took, though, it would be hard for them to prove worthy of two first-rounders, a 3rd and a 4th. Bad, bad draft management in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Concur with ya Joe......too high high a price ........put me down for a
NAY!
Bad draft management, bad front office, bad scouts, with goes right along with your bad clock management from last year, bad mistakes (stupid penalties), which translates to what we are a team with a BAD record...... :Flush: Would have preferred Roddy White, DE, LB.......save QB for the 4th or better NEXT YEAR.........

Inside Opinion on Campbell
 

So... I was talking to my friend who does all of the video work for the Ole Miss football team. In doing his job, he has daily interaction with all of the coaching staff for the team. And the offensive coordinator for Ole Miss used to be Jason Campbell's OC at Auburn. When he heard that the Skins had drafted Campbell, my buddy asked the coach what he thought about it. The coach's reply was that Jason Campbell was "one of the dumbest players I've ever coached." Now, this could just be sour grapes from the coach, especially when you consider that Campbell did perform well at Auburn but when you add that to his single digit Wonderlic test, it does start to make sense... I just wonder how he'll handle a Jim Johnson blitz or a Belichick coverage scheme? What a shitty time to love this team.

Re: Inside Opinion on Campbell
 

o great the news just keeps getting better and better

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

[QUOTE=offiss]
Campbell push Ramsey? You actually have to have NFL ability to push a pro QB, this kid is going no where, and with that pick and what we gave up to get him we are now officially the laughing stock of the NFL......

Push Ramsey? If I where Ramsey I would show at training camp this summer with a lawn chair and a glass of lemonade![/QUOTE]


Because Ramsey is such an accomplished pro QB?
Ramsey is a slightly above average NFL QB. That is it.
Before the NFL, Ramsey played for for Tulane of the USA conference in college.
Look at Tulane's schedule and record during Ramseys tenure. Terrible. Ramsey's career NCAA and NFL win-loss record is terrible.
I really like Campbell. The jump (in speed) from the SEC to NFLl is not as great at the jump from Conference USA to NFL.
Ramsey in his fouth year is still trying to catch up to the NFL speed.

Re: Inside Opinion on Campbell
 

What exactly was his wonderlic score, I thought it was 16??

Who cares anyway. I'll be honest and say my SAT's stunk in high school (900), and here I am today finishing up my MBA.

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

The price was too high to get the pick that aquired Campbell. But picking Campbell at 25 is a value pick. People talk about the great QB's coming oput next year. If they are that great they will be top 1 or 2 picks. It is highly unlikley we will have a top 2 or 3 pick next year even if we kept our 2006 #1.

Re: Inside Opinion on Campbell
 

Matty- I agree on some level, that it matters more how he does on the field. But if he really isn't that smart than how do we expect him to make the improvements and adjustments in his game to handle NFL level competition? I'd heard his wonderlic was an 8 and a 16 so if anyone can clear that up, then great... I think Alex Smith had a 40 by comparison.

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

Write this down, I am against this pick and think that we will not only regret it for having and paying Jason Campbell but for the loss of the picks we traded away to get #25.

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

[QUOTE=Defensewins]Ramsey in his fouth year is still trying to catch up to the NFL speed.[/QUOTE]

I don't think you can blame Ramsey on his STILL trying to catch up to NFL speed. Just consider how many head coaches, and how many systems the guy had to endure............blame the Redskin organization......

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

[QUOTE=Defensewins]Because Ramsey is such an accomplished pro QB?
Ramsey is a slightly above average NFL QB. That is it.
Before the NFL, Ramsey played for for Tulane of the USA conference in college.
Look at Tulane's schedule and record during Ramseys tenure. Terrible. Ramsey's career NCAA and NFL win-loss record is terrible.
I really like Campbell. The jump (in speed) from the SEC to NFLl is not as great at the jump from Conference USA to NFL.
Ramsey in his fouth year is still trying to catch up to the NFL speed.[/QUOTE]


You can't judge a college QB by wins and loses, the teams are to unbalanced. how many QB's have unbelievable winninf records and don't even get drafted? To many!

Perhaps it's because he played in a college system under SS, and now an outdated system under Gibbs for 1/2 a season I might add, infact Gibbs system went backwards from his first tenure so don't lay our problems at ramseys feet he needs some help from the coaches as well.

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

[QUOTE=monk81]I don't think you can blame Ramsey on his STILL trying to catch up to NFL speed. Just consider how many head coaches, and how many systems the guy had to endure............blame the Redskin organization......[/QUOTE]

That is funny because Campbell had more offensive systems and offensive coordinator changes in the last four years than Ramsey. Campbell had 4 in four years and still did really well.
Because alot of people are calling Campbell mediocre college player I started to read more about the great and incredible Ramseys college career. HiIs team was 1-10 his jr. year and 3-9 his senior year. His biggest career day (stat wise) in college was against Navy. LOL
If you call Campbells career not so spectacular, Ramsey must be labeled as crap.
Yes, Ramsey had inflated stats in regards to yards in college, but look at the teams and defenses he was playing against. Crappy teams.

Re: Inside Opinion on Campbell
 

can anybody say Heath Shuler

Re: Inside Opinion on Campbell
 

better than Brunell......everyone back of Campbell, if he was that Dumb then he was smarter than the staff, to convince them to draft him

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

[QUOTE=offiss]You can't judge a college QB by wins and loses, the teams are to unbalanced. how many QB's have unbelievable winninf records and don't even get drafted? To many!

Perhaps it's because he played in a college system under SS, and now an outdated system under Gibbs for 1/2 a season I might add, infact Gibbs system went backwards from his first tenure so don't lay our problems at ramseys feet he needs some help from the coaches as well.[/QUOTE]

I agree you can not judge them on only one stat alone. But in all stats Campbell was very good. Completetion %, TD to INT %, W-L, and most importantly he did all of this against some very good teams, defenses, and talent.
Ramsey on the other had inflated stats against some weak teams. I can tell there are not many future NFL players on the college teams (defenses) that Ramsey played against.

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

[QUOTE=Defensewins]I agree you can not judge them on only one stat alone. But in all stats Campbell was very good. Completetion %, TD to INT %, W-L, and most importantly he did all of this against some very good teams, defenses, and talent.
Ramsey on the other had inflated stats against some weak teams. I can tell there are not many future NFL players on the college teams (defenses) that Ramsey played against.[/QUOTE]


Yea but you can say that about Jerry Rice, Walter Payton and on and on.

Re: Inside Opinion on Campbell
 

[QUOTE=wewhite3]better than Brunell......everyone back of Campbell, if he was that Dumb then he was smarter than the staff, to convince them to draft him[/QUOTE]


The sad part is you're not far off. Damn it.

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

[QUOTE=offiss]Yea but you can say that about Jerry Rice, Walter Payton and on and on.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but Rice and Payton had great careers in the NFL from day one. Ramsey has not shown sustained gretness in three plus years. Payton started on a bad Bears team and he still played great. You can not say that about Ramsey. Don't get me wrong I am not saying Ramsey is bad player. But he is not great either.
I like Ramsey. I just think some Ramsey fans are being overly critical of Cambell, while at the same time are talking about how great ramsey will be this season. I hope Ramsey takes us to the SB this year. But that does not take away from what Campbell has accomplished in his career.

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

[QUOTE=Defensewins]That is funny because Campbell had more offensive systems and offensive coordinator changes in the last four years than Ramsey. Campbell had 4 in four years and still did really well.
Because alot of people are calling Campbell mediocre college player I started to read more about the great and incredible Ramseys college career. HiIs team was 1-10 his jr. year and 3-9 his senior year. His biggest career day (stat wise) in college was against Navy. LOL
If you call Campbells career not so spectacular, Ramsey must be labeled as crap.
Yes, Ramsey had inflated stats in regards to yards in college, but look at the teams and defenses he was playing against. Crappy teams.[/QUOTE]

The issue here wasn't Campbell and his college career, it was why Ramsey hasn't grown as a QB in the NFL...how can you have a chance when your laying on the turf because your coach doesn't fit the players he has with a system, he plays his sytem anyway, and what if you have no line....but if you are strictly going by teams and defenses players play against in college, then the Redskins should never have drafted Darrell Green using this logic................

Re: Inside Opinion on Campbell
 

How about we see this kid on the field before we write him off.

The overreactions on this site are almost comical lately.

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

[QUOTE=monk81]The issue here wasn't Campbell and his college career, it was why Ramsey hasn't grown as a QB.......but if you are strictly going by teams and defenses players play against in college, then the Redskins should never have drafted Darrell Green using this logic................[/QUOTE]

Darrel Green ran a 4.19 second 40 in college. He beat Carl Lewis in a track meet in college in the 100 dash and beat the world record at that time.
However the record was not allowed to stand (not an official record) because the wind was blowing above the allowable speed in the direction of the race. So it was labeled "wind aided' and the record did not stand. If had been an indoor track it would have stood up. That is why carl Lewis refused a rematch with Darrel Green a few years later. Darrel was not a suprise pick.
PLus, again Darrel came in and played great from day one. ramsey has not yet been great in 3 years.

Re: Inside Opinion on Campbell
 

I agree.
this came from a guy that know a guy...that was fired from Auburn and is now stuck at Ole Miss.
Campbell on the other hand is now in the NFL.
Who is the bigger idiot?

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

[QUOTE=Defensewins]Darrel Green ran a 4.19 second 40 in college. He beat Carl Lewis in a track meet in college in the 100 dash and beat the world record at that time.
However the record was not allowed to stand (not an official record) because the wind was blowing above the allowable speed in the direction of the race. So it was labeled "wind aided' and the record did not stand. If had been an indoor track it would have stood up. That is why carl Lewis refused a rematch with Darrel Green a few years later. Darrel was not a suprise pick.
PLus, again Darrel came in and played great from day one. ramsey has not yet been great in 3 years.[/QUOTE]

Ahh but that's my point, we are not talking about Ramsey's athletic ability, strength of arm, release, mechanics, feet, how he reads the field, etc etc.
the point was COMPETITION...........wasn't it? Texas A&I didn't exactly have top notch competion. I'm not Darrell bashing here, just using him to make a point, yes he has SPEED, but couldn't it be said that viewing the competition just made him appear better than he was....strictly looking at the competition.....Darrell was one of a kind and I know he's a hall of famer, just bringing up the point about players coming from small schools that's all........PEACE

Re: Inside Opinion on Campbell
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]How about we see this kid on the field before we write him off. [/QUOTE]

I agree that it's way too early to start bashing Campbell's ability. However, his ability really isn't the point. Even if he's the second coming of Joe Montana, we gave up an awful lot of picks to relieve Hasselbeck of clipboard duty ...

Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell
 

[QUOTE=monk81]Ahh but that's my point, we are not talking about Ramsey's athletic ability, strength of arm, release, mechanics, feet, how he reads the field, etc etc.
the point was COMPETITION...........wasn't it? Texas A&I didn't exactly have top notch competion. I'm not Darrell bashing here, just using him to make a point, yes he has SPEED, but couldn't it be said that viewing the competition just made him appear better than he was....strictly looking at the competition.....Darrell was one of a kind and I know he's a hall of famer, just bringing up the point about players coming from small schools that's all........PEACE[/QUOTE]

If you read my original post on this thread, my original point is some folks are bashing Campbell, calling him an average college QB, at the same time saying Ramsey is so wonderful.
My point was if Campbell was an average college QB, Ramsey was a worse college QB. That is all. I used the two players stats, W-L records and teams they played against as evidence that Campbell was a better QB coming out of college. I see the same type of bashing that happened to D. McNabb, happeneing here in Washington.
I am NOT comparing McNabb to Campbell as players.
Lets let Campbell step on to the playing field before we write him off.
We have given Ramsey 4 years of a chance to be good, we are not willing to give a rookie one game.