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Positives: Garçon pulling Shermans dreadlocks

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[quote=Mattyk;1088490]The major things that stood out to me between these two teams last night were team speed and the play in the trenches. We were just outmanned in those areas. I hope in year 2 Gruden continues to upgrade both lines.[/quote]

I agree with that statement. We need to get better up front on both sides of the ball. Not having Barry Cofield and Bowens in the trenches hurts our D-Line depth this season. I don't see bringing back Bowen at his salary unless he takes a pay cut. We need to up grade at RT over Polumbus . Morgan Mosses needs to get a long look to see if he can play at some point along with the guard Long.

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Positives
1. We didn't quit.
2. We didn't get blown out.
3. The defense played well at times.
4. Cousins played better and didn't throw a int this game.

Negatives
1. The defense didn't adjust quick enough to stop Wilson on the read option.
2. The defense did not tackle well and allowed to many yards after contact.
3. Our pass rush did not stay in their rush lands which allowed Wilson to run wild while playing man 2 man defense.
4. Our special teams continue to play poorly this season.
5. Jordan Reed misses another game.
6. Playing at home is not a home field advantage for us.
7. We are last in the NFC East.

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My blameometer is starting to focus more on BA than ever before. We have some real dumbf*#ks on this team.
Edit: just for the record it has been focused on Snyder n Haslett for a while now. Im just trying to share the blame to be fair. :)

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1088431]Seattle was a middle of the road team when Carroll took over and after the second year they really took off. We have much further to go than they did because we seem to lack an identity. Our FO and coaches seem to switch styles back and forth decreasing continuity. B Mitch yesterday said what makes the Giants the best team in the division consistently is their continuity, their team dynamics don't change styles too much going way back to the 80s (maybe even further?) just the names change.[/quote]

YES! The cap penalty is a killer. 36 million worth of talent isn't going to appear as soon as it's lifted.

The FO has has done a good job finding bandaids (shorter term contracts) in free agency. Hatcher, Jackson, Roberts. (I like Roberts for the long run, he is good and won't break the bank)

The penalty killed our depth. Early injuries this season have exposed our lack of depth.

I believe Gruden and BA will begin to aquire talent similar to what he had in Cincinatti. It isn't going to happen overnight.

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[quote=skins89moss;1088549]I agree with that statement. We need to get better up front on both sides of the ball. Not having Barry Cofield and Bowens in the trenches hurts our D-Line depth this season. I don't see bringing back Bowen at his salary unless he takes a pay cut. We need to up grade at RT over Polumbus . Morgan Mosses needs to get a long look to see if he can play at some point along with the guard Long.[/quote]

Moses whiffed his first play in. Polumbus usually gets his hands on them before the sack.

Compton came in right after the whiff.


Long looks aren't possible when ends are getting free runs to our qb.

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Positives: Most of the tough part of initial schedule is over. Of the next 5 games, we have Tennessee, Minnesota and Tampa Bay (combined record of 4-11). Really optimistically, if we do what we should & win all of those, and get really lucky & win against either Dallas or Arizona (??) -- we could be 5-5 in Week 12.

Negatives: After that point, we'd have 6 really tough games down the stretch (SF,Colts,STL,NYG,PHI,DAL)

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[quote=ethat001;1088557]Positives: Most of the tough part of initial schedule is over. Of the next 5 games, we have Tennessee, Minnesota and Tampa Bay (combined record of 4-11). Really optimistically, if we do what we should & win all of those, and get really lucky & win against either Dallas or Arizona (??) -- we could be 5-5 in Week 12.

Negatives: After that point, we'd have 6 really tough games down the stretch (SF,Colts,STL,NYG,PHI,DAL)[/quote]

Yeah, we've been down this road just like a Thursday night game against the Vikings was supposed to be a winable game yet they got dominated, and the Vikes second string TE looked like a Hall of Famer. Not buying it, this is the same old Skins and another 10+ lose season.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1088556]Moses whiffed his first play in. Polumbus usually gets his hands on them before the sack.

Compton came in right after the whiff.


Long looks aren't possible when ends are getting free runs to our qb.[/quote]

The Moses whiff was hard to watch.
The man never put his hands on a defensive player the whole play.

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The good:[LIST][*]No INTs[*]Showed some deep play potential [*]2nd half adjustments looked good (even if the execution didn't)[*] Low # of penalties[*] Low # of sacks [/LIST]
The bad:[LIST][*]3rd down eff. on offense -especially those 3rd and shorts[*]total lack of a running game[*]the 1st half gameplay on D- Did they watch any tape? FYI:Wilson can run[*]Not going for it 4th and short[*]the tackling or lack there of[*]the lack of speed on D[*] Special teams as usual- esp that fake kick Sea ran and the on-side kick[/LIST]
I honestly can't blame coaches on this one. There is just a lack of talent on the field. Partly it is them still recovering from the cap penalty, but a big part is the lack of 1 round picks because of the RG3 trade.

The FO had their work cut out this offseason.

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[quote=ethat001;1088557]Positives: Most of the tough part of initial schedule is over. [B]Of the next 5 games, we have Tennessee, Minnesota and Tampa Bay (combined record of 4-11). Really optimistically, if we do what we should & win all of those[/B], and get really lucky & win against either Dallas or Arizona (??) -- we could be 5-5 in Week 12.

Negatives: After that point, we'd have 6 really tough games down the stretch (SF,Colts,STL,NYG,PHI,DAL)[/quote]

Surely you jest. I don't think there's anybody that we "should" beat. I'd bet there are fans on those teams' websites saying the same thing about us, i.e., "we should beat the Redskins". And they would be right, too. Yes, those teams are very beatable and so are we! We are not a level above those teams; we are smack in the middle of that class of teams.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1088554]YES! The cap penalty is a killer. 36 million worth of talent isn't going to appear as soon as it's lifted.[/quote]Yeah, Mara and Lurie and the other owners, really screwed us. Cheating m-f'ers.

As far as the Haynesworth contract goes, Vinny Cerratto really screwed us over on that too. Wonder if that d-bag knew he would be gone, by the time that contract really bit us in the ***.

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The Washington Post believes the likelihood of contract-year OLB Brian Orakpo getting a big pay day from the Redskins is dwindling.

Orakpo, playing on the $11.455 million franchise tag, has just half a sack through five games, and has graded out as a bottom-11 pass-rushing 3-4 outside linebacker at Pro Football Focus. The Redskins could choose to allocate that money elsewhere in 2015 and pay OLB Ryan Kerrigan handsomely while developing second-round rookie Trent Murphy as Orakpo's heir.

rotoworld

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1088606]The Washington Post believes the likelihood of contract-year OLB Brian Orakpo getting a big pay day from the Redskins is dwindling.



Orakpo, playing on the $11.455 million franchise tag, has just half a sack through five games, and has graded out as a bottom-11 pass-rushing 3-4 outside linebacker at Pro Football Focus. The Redskins could choose to allocate that money elsewhere in 2015 and pay OLB Ryan Kerrigan handsomely while developing second-round rookie Trent Murphy as Orakpo's heir.



rotoworld[/QUOTE]


Yeah he's really going to have to get on a big tear to get a new deal deal here.

Meanwhile Kerrigan is proving to be the man.

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[quote=DirtBagZ;1088565]Yeah, we've been down this road just like a Thursday night game against the Vikings was supposed to be a winable game yet they got dominated, and the Vikes second string TE looked like a Hall of Famer. Not buying it, this is the same old Skins and another 10+ lose season.[/quote]

Agreed. I love seeing how fans are predicting "certain" wins are so sure of this team. This team has won what, one game in the last 13? And that win was over a woeful Jacksonville team. Suddenly they can go 5-5 down the stretch or whatever?

No wins on this schedule are a gimme for this team, not with their talent or attitude for sure.

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[quote=Chico23231;1088606]The Washington Post believes the likelihood of contract-year OLB Brian Orakpo getting a big pay day from the Redskins is dwindling.

Orakpo, playing on the $11.455 million franchise tag, has just half a sack through five games, and has graded out as a bottom-11 pass-rushing 3-4 outside linebacker at Pro Football Focus. [B]The Redskins could choose to allocate that money elsewhere in 2015 and pay OLB Ryan Kerrigan handsomely while developing second-round rookie Trent Murphy as Orakpo's heir. [/B]

rotoworld[/quote]

It looks like Rotoworld broke the code. Orakpo is not going to get a big FA contract from the Skins or anyone else. He has peaked as an NFL player.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1088610]It looks like Rotoworld broke the code. Orakpo is not going to get a big FA contract from the Skins or anyone else. He has peaked as an NFL player.[/QUOTE]


Oh someone will pay him. Maybe not what he wants, but he'll get paid.

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Safety Ryan Clark: "Guys weren't content with losing, but they were excited that they fought."

As I interpret this, with our moral victory against Seattle, that improves our season record 2-0 in the mythical moral victory standings. We now have moral victories over Philly and Seattle. I predict yet another moral victory over Arizona which will make our moral victory record against good teams 3-0.

I think we fans should be as excited as the players are about our team having so much fight in them.

Or, we could take a negative approach and say that the players don't even buy into the goal, which is winning the game. If some of the key the players think it's rewarding just to appear to be competitive, then I don't know what the coaches can do to make things better.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1088624]Safety Ryan Clark: "Guys weren't content with losing, but they were excited that they fought."

As I interpret this, with our moral victory against Seattle, that improves our season record 2-0 in the mythical moral victory standings. We now have moral victories over Philly and Seattle. I predict yet another moral victory over Arizona which will make our moral victory record against good teams 3-0.

I think we fans should be as excited as the players are about our team having so much fight in them.

Or, we could take a negative approach and say that the players don't even buy into the goal, which is winning the game. If some of the key the players think it's rewarding just to appear to be competitive, then I don't know what the coaches can do to make things better.[/quote]

Good post.

Fuck this team. I am suppose to give a shit about a team that doesn't even give a shit about themselves. Fuck them.

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[quote=mredskins;1088625]Good post.

Fuck this team. I am suppose to give a shit about a team that doesn't even give a shit about themselves. Fuck them.[/quote]

That's how I feel. Why should I care about the team when the folks on the field care about nothing but the after party?

This team will not win until it has more leaders who hate losing.

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Very troubled by the apparent indifference to losing among some players, although I cannot believe that it is pervasive through the locker room. You don't get to be good enough to play in the NFL without a lot of sacrifice and a real competitive streak. That isn't to say that folks can't get complacent with the "hey, I am a professional getting a paycheck" mentality. But there are some guys I cannot imagine bieing OK with losing.

I had a lacrosse coach years ago that sat some starters when he thought there was some of this crap seeping into the locker room culture (our team was not competitive in more games than I care to recall); it wouldn't break my heart of Gruden did too.

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that great quote from lombardi comes to mind.

i dont mind the loose locker room after a loss. its not the cause of our problems, its just a symptom.

i dont blame trent or garcon or anyone else who has been here to become immune from losing.

we lose and we lose well and often damnit.

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[quote=over the mountain;1088632]that great quote from lombardi comes to mind.

i dont mind the loose locker room after a loss. its not the cause of our problems, its just a symptom.

i dont blame trent or garcon or anyone else who has been here to become immune from losing.

we lose and we lose well and often damnit.[/quote]

Didn't Lombardi also say, "Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser"? Well....

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[quote=SirLK26;1088533]Just embarrassing that we let them score on a big play, Seattle gets penalized for something that really had no effect, and then we let them go right down and score again.

But this game was against one of the best teams in the league. Any positives we can get out of this game are positives indeed. Probably the most obvious one is that Cousins protected the football against a great defense.[/quote]I love that we lined up DJax on Sherman's side, and exploited that big mouth on a couple of occasions. Eddie Royal and the Chargers showed that a big corner like Sherman lacks the quickness to lock down very fast/quick receivers, and I'm glad that Gruden and Cousins didn't shy away from throwing the ball to the right side of the field.

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[quote=Lotus;1088628]That's how I feel. Why should I care about the team when the folks on the field care about nothing but the after party?

This team will not win until it has more leaders who hate losing.[/quote]

With rare exception, players don't like losing. But they have to move quickly on to the next game

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[quote=SmootSmack;1088638]With rare exception, players don't like losing. But they have to move quickly on to the next game[/quote]

OK. Fair enough. But we seem less than energized on the field, so rumors of a limp locker room appear to make sense.

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When I am able to pick out individual players who are hustling, as I was against Seattle in the first half, then we have a a problem. Somehow, we were not ready to play and they put up a quick 14 points on us - Game Over! BTW, Ryan Clark was one of those who hustled against Seattle. I think he was just trying to cover for other players in his comments.

Anyway, I hate interviews with losing players. I'm not listening to anything more that anybody in the Redskins organization has to say until we get a win.

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This team has now lost 12 of 13, won 3 last year and the rest of this season looks bad. They've probably become use to losing. I give both guys a pass. Garçon always plays hard as does Trent. We don't know what was being said in the locker room. And to be honest, reporters IMO should not be reporting what guys are doing in the locker room. This is one reason why they shouldn't be in there. Seems kind of weak to me.

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I think this is being blown out of proportion just a bit, as usual. Nobody likes losing, but I don't think there's anything wrong with being proud of putting up your best fight in doing so. Guys are playing hard, we couldn't say that last year. I believe we're close to rattling off some wins. The players have to hang their hats on something in order to keep marching on.

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[quote=Mattyk;1088643]I think this is being blown out of proportion just a bit, as usual. Nobody likes losing, but I don't think there's anything wrong with being proud of putting up your best fight in doing so. Guys are playing hard, we couldn't say that last year. I believe we're close to rattling off some wins. The players have to hang their hats on something in order to keep marching on.[/quote]

Skins fans.......overeacting?
Listen to Kerrigan on the post. When asked the question. He responded that he did not remember anybody tdaking the loss lightly fwiw. I do not think they believe it was nothing. I have no problem with them taking some solace in the fact that the team..... Fought they're guts out

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[url=http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/2io9gd/analysis_of_kirk_cousins_3rd_down_passing_vs_sea/]Analysis of Kirk Cousins 3rd Down Passing vs. SEA Week 5 2014 (Gifs/Notes inside!) : nfl[/url]


All-22 film of all of Kirk's 3rd down passes from Monday night.

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[quote=Mattyk;1088643]I think this is being blown out of proportion just a bit, as usual. Nobody likes losing, but I don't think there's anything wrong with being proud of putting up your best fight in doing so. Guys are playing hard, we couldn't say that last year. I believe we're close to rattling off some wins. The players have to hang their hats on something in order to keep marching on.[/quote]


Being down 6 starters and even some starters banged up. It's a miracle they weren't blown out. Yeah, I'd very much would hang my hat on that kind of accomplishment seeing as how talented Seattle is.

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...and there is a Jason Reid + Ryan Clark twitter battle.

[url]https://twitter.com/Realrclark25/status/519949863132618752[/url]

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What that game proved to me was if Seattle brings its c game and the skins bring their A- or B plus game... Seattle still wins by double digits.

This whole locker room mentality is being overblown. I don't think anyone was happy with being beat on national Tv two weeks in a row. One guy probably made w joke to lighten the mood and then there was laughter.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1088649]...and there is a Jason Reid + Ryan Clark twitter battle.

[url]https://twitter.com/Realrclark25/status/519949863132618752[/url][/quote]

Reid is an ass

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[quote=Mattyk;1088654]Reid is an ass[/quote]

Yeah he is. No reason he should have said anything to RC.


This was hilarious.

[url]https://twitter.com/MrDCsportsSr/status/520001531245264896/photo/1[/url]

:laughing2

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He's flat out clowning himself.

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[QUOTE=Lotus;1088628]That's how I feel. Why should I care about the team when the folks on the field care about nothing but the after party?



This team will not win until it has more leaders who hate losing.[/QUOTE]


They can want to win all they want but I dont think that would matter. There isnt nearly enough talent on this team.
Not enough talent + no desire = a hot mess.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1088638]With rare exception, players don't like losing. But they have to move quickly on to the next game[/quote]

On the money.

Of all the guys Reid could "call out" he picks the two guys who I saw battling on every play. There were others but Garcon and Williams put in maximum effort. Hell, Trent was questionable and played his ass off dealing with knee pain.

Those guys played through the whistle with fire in that game. They don't have to sulk after leaving it all on the field to get Jason Reid's approval.

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In the article he says basically that they worked hard but they need to show the other players through their demeanor that what's going on is not ok.

Clark, incidentally said something very similar following a preseason game