[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1069260]I just don't get why people think Griffin will have a year like last year (and even if he did, he still was a quality caliber NFL qb, more like 15-20 than top 5-10). Clearly the first 4 games, regardless of hype, he just wasn't ready. And by the time he was, the rest of the team was in dysfunction mode.



I also don't think coaching is near the question mark that some make it out to be. I know it's arena league, but Gruden showed he is capable of managing a whole team effectively in it. We know he can run top NFL offenses, and he has a passion for the game (see Cincy Hard Knocks clip).



Put another way, if this core group, BA-JG-Griffin et all, don't get it done (by that I mean put a top caliber team on the field week in week out) then I don't have any clue how the Skins ever will.[/QUOTE]


Imo Griff will have a good year. He is definitely healthy and he has plenty of weapons.
Not sure I would classify last year as a quality nfl qb 15-20. He was pretty bad. Accuracy was way off. I believe whole heartedly that his mechanics were off due to the injury however.

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[quote=punch it in;1069268]Imo Griff will have a good year. He is definitely healthy and he has plenty of weapons.
Not sure I would classify last year as a quality nfl qb 15-20. He was pretty bad. Accuracy was way off. I believe whole heartedly that his mechanics were off due to the injury however.[/quote]

See, early on he was bad, but most people saw definite improvement throughout the year until he was pulled. According to ProFootball Reference we had the 16th passing offense, and I doubt Cousins did anything to pull up that stat(so sad). That said last year he had:
60.1% completion rating
16TDs
12INT (this is where you see his accuracy was off)
3200 yds
and an 82.2 passer rating. That's all minus 3 games, where I believe his play would have incrementally improved had he been in. (He also may have made a bonehead play trying to win a "meaningless" game, hopefully being benched gave him time to think about that aspect as well).

crazy stat, he threw for 3 yards more in 2013 than 2012 (3203 to 3200) and 4 less TD's (16 to 20) in 3 less games... Yes I know stats don't say everything, and I am NOT saying Griffin in 2013 was the same as 2012, but he didn't suddenly forget how to play football either.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1069128]You were lit and my friend Rae-Rae was nervous as a choir girl at a WP meetup. He 'didn't want any trouble'. Why'd he go with me?

We'll do it right this time, my fiancee is a hellraiser.

:food-smil :woot: :pimp:[/quote]


Sounds good my wife likes to partake in a little partying herself we should all get along fine. pm me when were a month or so away and well figure it out.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1069260]I just don't get why people think Griffin will have a year like last year (and even if he did, he still was a quality caliber NFL qb, more like 15-20 than top 5-10). Clearly the first 4 games, regardless of hype, he just wasn't ready. And by the time he was, the rest of the team was in dysfunction mode.

I also don't think coaching is near the question mark that some make it out to be. I know it's arena league, but Gruden showed he is capable of managing a whole team effectively in it. We know he can run top NFL offenses, and he has a passion for the game (see Cincy Hard Knocks clip).

Put another way, if this core group, BA-JG-Griffin et all, don't get it done (by that I mean put a top caliber team on the field week in week out) then I don't have any clue how the Skins ever will.[/quote]


Let's be real. Much of that production from RGIII last year came in garbage time. Those losses weren't all on him because the defense and special teams sucked some kind of bad. That sad, RGIII has to play much much better for us to break .500 this year.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1069269]See, early on he was bad, but most people saw definite improvement throughout the year until he was pulled. According to ProFootball Reference we had the 16th passing offense, and I doubt Cousins did anything to pull up that stat(so sad). That said last year he had:

60.1% completion rating

16TDs

12INT (this is where you see his accuracy was off)

3200 yds

and an 82.2 passer rating. That's all minus 3 games, where I believe his play would have incrementally improved had he been in. (He also may have made a bonehead play trying to win a "meaningless" game, hopefully being benched gave him time to think about that aspect as well).



crazy stat, he threw for 3 yards more in 2013 than 2012 (3203 to 3200) and 4 less TD's (16 to 20) in 3 less games... Yes I know stats don't say everything, and I am NOT saying Griffin in 2013 was the same as 2012, but he didn't suddenly forget how to play football either.[/QUOTE]


You're way more into stats than me. What stats do not show you is missed reads, and indecision. I saw a ton of that last year. He was never comfortable or confident like he was two years ago. Either way I believe we will see ass kicking Griff again this year. HTTR!
Edit: I dont believe he forgot how to play either. I believe the injury / brace and missed pre season completely threw off his mechanics. The more the season spiraled out of control, the more he tried desperately to get back into form. It was just a doomed year. He will be fine.
Edit two : his accuracy being off I saw in a ton of throws. He was sailing the ball off his back foot all year.

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[quote=punch it in;1069281]You're way more into stats than me. What stats do not show you is missed reads, and indecision. I saw a ton of that last year. He was never comfortable or confident like he was two years ago. Either way I believe we will see ass kicking Griff again this year. HTTR!
Edit: I dont believe he forgot how to play either. I believe the injury / brace and missed pre season completely threw off his mechanics. The more the season spiraled out of control, the more he tried desperately to get back into form. It was just a doomed year. He will be fine.[/quote]

It's not that I am "into stats", but that is the only way to explain my position. Yes, his footwork and timing was off, he was not the 2012 Griffin, even as I said I wasn't saying he was better in 2013. But to say that, as the season progressed, he wasn't improving, or to say that he wasn't a middle of the road NFL caliber qb, is wrong, and the proof is in the numbers.

Put another way, imo, games 1-8 last year were very likely Griffin's floor as an NFL qb and it is doubtful that 2012 was his ceiling. There is zero reason in my mind to believe that with a full offseason that he should not be around 2012 form or better. He rolled the dreaded sophmore slump in with a ACL repair, and a dysfunctional team structure and managed to put up respectable, not elite, numbers.

[quote=NC_Skins;1069280]Let's be real. Much of that production from RGIII last year came in garbage time. Those losses weren't all on him because the defense and special teams sucked some kind of bad. That said, RGIII has to play much much better for us to break .500 this year[/quote]

Nor am I arguing that his production was done in awesome form. My point of using stats is to simply say, the guy didn't suddenly have a non NFL caliber year. I don't care if it is garbage time, the defenses might be playing softer, but they are out there, and he was competing.

Yes he has to play better, we all agree on that, but my initial statements were directed toward irish and others who want to say " If, God forbid, he has another year like he did last year then it opens up a whole can of worms about him being a bust ". Even at last year's level, he wouldn't be a bust, but he wouldn't be the player we all want him to be.

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[quote=Riggo44;1069272]Sounds good my wife likes to partake in a little partying herself we should all get along fine. pm me when were a month or so away and well figure it out.[/quote]

Yes, sir!

Also have a buddy coming up. Niners fan, sorry.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1069283]Even at last year's level, he wouldn't be a bust, but he wouldn't be the player we all want him to be.[/QUOTE]


We traded away an awful lot to wind up with last years RG-3.

I completely agree that he will be back in form this year and if none of us ever talk about last year again it will be to soon! Lol

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1069260]I just don't get why people think Griffin will have a year like last year (and even if he did, he still was a quality caliber NFL qb, more like 15-20 than top 5-10). Clearly the first 4 games, regardless of hype, he just wasn't ready. And by the time he was, the rest of the team was in dysfunction mode.

I also don't think coaching is near the question mark that some make it out to be. I know it's arena league, but Gruden showed he is capable of managing a whole team effectively in it. We know he can run top NFL offenses, and he has a passion for the game (see Cincy Hard Knocks clip).

Put another way, if this core group, BA-JG-Griffin et all, don't get it done (by that I mean put a top caliber team on the field week in week out) then I don't have any clue how the Skins ever will.[/quote]

The Skins didnt give up all those picks and mortgage their future for a 15-20 QB. I'm not sure they gave all that away for a 5-10 QB either. They did it to get a 1-3 QB and right now RG3 isnt close to that. Hopefully he will make progress this year.

I agree that JG knows what to do and how to do it but doing it with the Skins is a totally different matter. Because of the team's meddling owner and prima donna QB and a team that is always on the verge of dysfunction its hard to tell if JG can get it done where other with more experience have failed. Let's hope he's the exception rather than the rule.

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[quote=irish;1069258]Its not a mediocre division its a lousy division and that definitely helps. Coaching is a huge question mark as is QB. What RG3 shows up this year? If its rookie year RG3 then I do think this team will finish above .500. If its last season's RG3 then 6 wins might be a stretch.

I really think in a lot of ways this is a make or break year for RG3. The injury is behind him and the knee brace is off, and its his 3rd year in the league, there are no more excuses. If, God forbid, he has another year like he did last year then it opens up a whole can of worms about him being a bust and the Skins gave away their future for a bust a QB and if there's one thing this team doesnt need its opening up another can of worms.[/quote]

Do you think the problem relationship between Shanny and RG3 affected his play? Im beginning to think it was a bigger factor than once thought.

The stuff about meddling owner, Snyder, etc. was a zero contributor to our record last year. That's a classic washington media take thats just bs at this point.

We've seen what a fully healthy RG3 can do; unfortunately we never saw him fully healthy last year. I dont think its make or break year for RG3, but for Hasslet...

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[quote=Chico23231;1069299]Do you think the problem relationship between Shanny and RG3 affected his play? Im beginning to think it was a bigger factor than once thought.

The stuff about meddling owner, Snyder, etc. was a zero contributor to our record last year. That's a classic washington media take thats just bs at this point.

We've seen what a fully healthy RG3 can do; unfortunately we never saw him fully healthy last year. I dont think its make or break year for RG3, but for Hasslet...[/quote]

I agree with everything you said, Chico. I think between injury recovery and the boiling over of Shanahan dysfunction, RGIII was doomed to a disappointing year.

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[quote=Chico23231;1069299]Do you think the problem relationship between Shanny and RG3 affected his play? Im beginning to think it was a bigger factor than once thought.

The stuff about meddling owner, Snyder, etc. was a zero contributor to our record last year. That's a classic washington media take thats just bs at this point.

We've seen what a fully healthy RG3 can do; unfortunately we never saw him fully healthy last year. I dont think its make or break year for RG3, but for Hasslet...[/quote]

I think it was a huge factor. I dont think Shanny ever wanted to give away all thos pick to take RG3 (that's where the meddling owner comes in) so deep down RG3 knew he wasnt Shanny's guy and didnt trust him. IMO the Seattle playoff game was the final straw.

DS always was and always will be a huge contributor to the Skins record. The fact that he was the driving force behind the RG3 trade will impact the Skins record (for better or worse) for years to come. The DJax deal has DS written all over it, we will see how that impacts this season.

I agree this is a huge year for Hasslet.

[QUOTE=irish;1069320]I think it was a huge factor. I dont think Shanny ever wanted to give away all thos pick to take RG3 (that's where the meddling owner comes in) so deep down RG3 knew he wasnt Shanny's guy and didnt trust him. IMO the Seattle playoff game was the final straw.



DS always was and always will be a huge contributor to the Skins record. The fact that he was the driving force behind the RG3 trade will impact the Skins record (for better or worse) for years to come. The DJax deal has DS written all over it, we will see how that impacts this season.



I agree this is a huge year for Hasslet.[/QUOTE]


Too conspiracy theorist 'ish. I think its simpler than that. I think Shanny just played it all wrong. From leaving griff in the seattle game to long to starting him too early. Shanny just wasnt a very good coach and is a stubborn ass. Hasnt been a good coach for many years.

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[quote=irish;1069320]I think it was a huge factor. I dont think Shanny ever wanted to give away all thos pick to take RG3 (that's where the meddling owner comes in) so deep down RG3 knew he wasnt Shanny's guy and didnt trust him. IMO the Seattle playoff game was the final straw.

DS always was and always will be a huge contributor to the Skins record. The fact that he was the driving force behind the RG3 trade will impact the Skins record (for better or worse) for years to come. The DJax deal has DS written all over it, we will see how that impacts this season.

I agree this is a huge year for Hasslet.[/quote]

Who's to say, though, that picking Russell Wilson over RGIII would have put the 'skins in a better spot today? Sure, you still keep those other two first round draft picks, but you still have the $36 million dollar cap penalty - which contributed a lot to stunting the growth of this team. I do agree that this is a make or break year for RGIII, but he's given every chance to succeed this year. If he doesn't, we'll know he's a bust. I seriously doubt I see a repeat of last year, but we'll see.

The DJax pick up was a great pick up all around. It doesn't hurt this team that much. If you're going to make a big splash, at least sign a contract that works for both parties - and that happened. I know I tend to see everything in a positive way when it comes to the Redskins, but every move made in this offseason seems to be for the better. Yes, there's a question mark over Jay Gruden, but it's not like he has no head coaching experience in the pros at all.

Man this thread has nothing to do with the 2014 nfl schedule. Lol

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[quote=irish;1069320]I think it was a huge factor. I dont think Shanny ever wanted to give away all thos pick to take RG3 (that's where the meddling owner comes in) so deep down RG3 knew he wasnt Shanny's guy and didnt trust him. IMO the Seattle playoff game was the final straw.

DS always was and always will be a huge contributor to the Skins record. The fact that he was the driving force behind the RG3 trade will impact the Skins record (for better or worse) for years to come. The DJax deal has DS written all over it, we will see how that impacts this season.

I agree this is a huge year for Hasslet.[/quote]

All of these points come from speculation (unfounded) on your part. DJax wasn't a Snyder move, by any account other than the "it must have been Snyder" crowd. The Griffin trade will certainly impact the Skins because he is our qb, and we gave up a lot to get him. But DS being the "driving force" is pure speculation(of the worse kind because it perpetuates an old, and at this point wrong, dialogue about his involvement).

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[quote=punch it in;1069332]Man this thread has nothing to do with the 2014 nfl schedule. Lol[/quote]

sorry, I'm done with the Griffin/Shanahan/DS conspiracy



well at least in this thread :)

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1069338]sorry, I'm done with the Griffin/Shanahan/DS conspiracy







well at least in this thread :)[/QUOTE]


Yeah, definitely tired of the revisionist tales too. I like how if anything goes bad it must be Snyder's fault.

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[quote=Mattyk;1069246][url=http://mmqb.si.com/2014/04/24/making-of-2014-nfl-schedule/]2014 NFL schedule: Behind the scenes of how four men get it made | The MMQB with Peter King[/url][/quote]

This may have gotten lost in the last few pages. Amazing how much goes into it, and I think everyone involved at the NFL deserves a well earned happy hour.

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1069348]This may have gotten lost in the last few pages. Amazing how much goes into it, and I think everyone involved at the NFL deserves a well earned happy hour.[/QUOTE]


I heard an interview this morning with one of the schedule guys on NFL radio. Really interesting to hear about the process and how it all comes together.

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[quote=irish;1069320]I think it was a huge factor. I dont think Shanny ever wanted to give away all thos pick to take RG3 (that's where the meddling owner comes in) so deep down RG3 knew he wasnt Shanny's guy and didnt trust him. IMO the Seattle playoff game was the final straw.

DS always was and always will be a huge contributor to the Skins record. The fact that he was the driving force behind the RG3 trade will impact the Skins record (for better or worse) for years to come. The DJax deal has DS written all over it, we will see how that impacts this season.

I agree this is a huge year for Hasslet.[/quote]

Regardless of who pulled the trigger on the trade, it's over and done with. Shanahan had the final say on all football matters so he obviously signed off on it. New year, new coach, new weapons for RG3, new attitude at Redskin Park, it seems like Brown and Campbell are taking larger roles, we're headed in the right direction.

To me, I don't know how anyone can not be happy about Jackson. He fills two needs, we gave up 0 drafts picks to get him, he seems to abuse us every year and we took away the Eagles best player. I like that gamble and it's worth the risk.

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1069497]Regardless of who pulled the trigger on the trade, it's over and done with. Shanahan had the final say on all football matters so he obviously signed off on it. New year, new coach, new weapons for RG3, new attitude at Redskin Park, it seems like Brown and Campbell are taking larger roles, we're headed in the right direction.

To me, I don't know how anyone can not be happy about Jackson. He fills two needs, we gave up 0 drafts picks to get him, he seems to abuse us every year and we took away the Eagles best player. I like that gamble and it's worth the risk.[/QUOTE]


Stop making so much sense!

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[quote=skinsfan69;1069497]Regardless of who pulled the trigger on the trade, it's over and done with. Shanahan had the final say on all football matters so he obviously signed off on it. New year, new coach, new weapons for RG3, new attitude at Redskin Park, it seems like Brown and Campbell are taking larger roles, we're headed in the right direction.

To me, I don't know how anyone can not be happy about Jackson. He fills two needs, we gave up 0 drafts picks to get him, he seems to abuse us every year and [B]we took away the Eagles best player[/B]. I like that gamble and it's worth the risk.[/quote]

Everyone talks that way but it is not really true. Philly ejected Jackson, no one took him away. Philly was going to lose him to someone else no matter what.

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[quote=Lotus;1069502]Everyone talks that way but it is not really true. Philly ejected Jackson, no one took him away. Philly was going to lose him to someone else no matter what.[/quote]

Technically you're right but the impact of a 'double whammy' is to our benefit. We wouldn't be at all excited if he landed in Dallas or NY because we'd still have to face him twice a year. My Cowboy fan friends were pissed because they thought they had gotten rid of Jackson when the Eagles cut him and now they still have to face him twice.

My issue with the quoted post is that Lesean McCoy is far and away the Eagles best player, not Jackson. We will see however how much space he has now that teams don't have to account for Jackson's deep ability. There was like a 1.8 YPC difference for McCoy between when D. Jax was on or off the field.

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[QUOTE=Lotus;1069502]Everyone talks that way but it is not really true. Philly ejected Jackson, no one took him away. Philly was going to lose him to someone else no matter what.[/QUOTE]


The Birds biggest threat now wears B&G on Sundays. Bottom line.
Edit -Paintrain is rite about Mccoy so one of their biggest threats. However lets see what Mccoy does now that teams can stack the box alittle without the fear of DJax going over the top.

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The RG3 decision boils down to the fact Shannhan had control over football operations the years before RG3 and he pulled that Mcnabb/Beck/Grossman brain farts. After that he had to get RG3. No one was gonna let him come in to the season with another one of his trust me I know what I'm talking about QBs. He should have been fired for the Beck thing IMO.

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[quote=Lotus;1069502]Everyone talks that way but it is not really true. Philly ejected Jackson, no one took him away. Philly was going to lose him to someone else no matter what.[/quote]

They rejected him because they didn't want to pay him the money and I guess there were issues with him and Kelly. At this point who cares? We got a really good player, didn't give up any draft picks, on a team that won 3 games and he fits a need. The Redskins are a better team with Jackson. It's the coaches job to manage the BS behind closed doors.

I would say McCoy is their best player, but Jackson is one of their best players, and certainly their best wr.