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That debacle at the end was just pathetic by the refs. Never seen that before.

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Couple positives:

Orakpo looked great last night. Dominated Beatty

RG3 looked good and Garcon had a decent game.

Amerson has had a great rookie season, thought he was good last night.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1045213]We need professional referees. These "regular" part time refs really aren't any better than the strike replacements. Tripplette or whatever his name is should never officiate another game.

With good refs tonight, we still lose, but at least the game isn't a complete and total CF at the end.[/quote]

I put about 70% of it on the Head Linesman and 20% on Triplette, and 10% on the umpire and Line judge. I ref semi-pro and we use NFL rules and mechanics.

The head linesman has no business telling the chain crew to move until the ref gives a first down signal, unless it is so obvious that Helen Keller could see it was a first down. After the chains had moved, and the box change to 1, you see Triplette trying to get the HL's attention and yelling 3rd down. When it wasn't fixed, he should have stopped the game to reset the chains and box.

The umpire and line judge seeing it was close, should have yelled to Triplette to come take a closer look and possibly measure. With the game on the line it is customary to give a measurement as a courtesy.

I know 2 nfl officials (not all that well, have met and talked to them at clinics). They have explained how they are graded and the implications. The entire crew will get hammered for this, they won't get fired, but I seriously doubt they come anywhere close to a play-off game.

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[quote=Mattyk;1045313]That debacle at the end was just pathetic by the refs. Never seen that before.[/quote]

A perfect ending for a Shit game and season

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[quote=coggs;1045315]I put about 70% of it on the Head Linesman and 20% on Triplette, and 10% on the umpire and Line judge. I ref semi-pro and we use NFL rules and mechanics.

The head linesman has no business telling the chain crew to move until the ref gives a first down signal, unless it is so obvious that Helen Keller could see it was a first down. After the chains had moved, and the box change to 1, you see Triplette trying to get the HL's attention and yelling 3rd down. When it wasn't fixed, he should have stopped the game to reset the chains and box.

The umpire and line judge seeing it was close, should have yelled to Triplette to come take a closer look and possibly measure. With the game on the line it is customary to give a measurement as a courtesy.

I know 2 nfl officials (not all that well, have met and talked to them at clinics). They have explained how they are graded and the implications. The entire crew will get hammered for this, they won't get fired, but I seriously doubt they come anywhere close to a play-off game.[/quote]

Great stuff and perspective. Thanks

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[quote=Chico23231;1045314]Couple positives:

Orakpo looked great last night. Dominated Beatty

RG3 looked good and Garcon had a decent game.

Amerson has had a great rookie season, thought he was good last night.[/quote]


Griffin will continue to get better and better

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[quote=Chico23231;1045314]Couple positives:

Orakpo looked great last night. Dominated Beatty

RG3 looked good and Garcon had a decent game.

Amerson has had a great rookie season, thought he was good last night.[/quote]

It took Rak a while to get going this year coming off that injury but I think now it's clear we need to lock him up for the long term.

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You think the woman behind Mike is talking about the fiasco with the refs, but she's really talking about Mike's tenure here in DC.


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LOL nice

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[quote=Mattyk;1045322]It took Rak a while to get going this year coming off that injury but I think now it's clear we need to lock him up for the long term.[/quote]

So he beat out a shitty LT. Also, didn't some of the teams the past few weeks sport backups LTs?


I'm for signing him, but it would have to be a average salary. (much like his play)

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[quote=NC_Skins;1045326]So he beat out a shitty LT. Also, didn't some of the teams the past few weeks sport backups LTs?


I'm for signing him, but it would have to be a average salary. (much like his play)[/quote]

5.5 sacks the last 4 games is quality production regardless of who you are playing. He's winning the battles he should. We can't say the same for Kerrigan can we?

If Rak ends up with double digit sacks you can bet an "average" contract offer isn't going to cut it.

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[quote=Mattyk;1045327]5.5 sacks the last 4 games is quality production regardless of who you are playing. He's winning the battles he should. We can't say the same for Kerrigan can we?

If Rak ends up with double digit sacks you can bet an "average" contract offer isn't going to cut it.[/quote]

It would be a huge mistake to overpay him. I would not. I agree with you about Kerrigan though, guy has gone unnoticed the past 5 games.

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[quote=Mattyk;1045322]It took Rak a while to get going this year coming off that injury but I think now it's clear we need to lock him up for the long term.[/quote]

I think the FO needs to be careful not to overpay.

It's over folks. An uninspired effort by all but RGIII and probably Cofield. We are abysmal in so aspects of the game, it boggles the mind. Our punting situation deteriorates every week (why aren't we evaluating possible replacements?). The o-line is piss poor save Trent. They didn't even run block particularly well last night. The WR situation is also poor even putting aside Garcon's terrible day. Aldrich Robinson had zero catches despite a lot of PT. On D, zero push from the D line except on June rare instance Cofield. Bowen, Jenkins, Baker, and Golston are simply not starters in this league. Wilson was not good (again) and this wasn't Hall's best outing either. The safety play is awful - opponents' TEs just run unchallenged through the middle of the field (what, you think our LBs can cover?)

And the coaching is awful. Collinsworth, who I respect as an analyst, is often right. And I generally agree that stability and consistency lead to good results, and that a revolving door of coaches is very disruptive. But the consistency we are getting with the Shanahan regime is consistently fluctuating between mediocrity and outright suck (save for the inspired second hard run last season). But teams can bounce back and show significant improvement from year to year - look at the Cardinals, Panthers, Chiefs, and Lions - all very much improved from last year. And I don't think the salary cap is a big excuse. The Chiefs signed Alex Smith and the Lions got Bush, but none of the other teams did a lot in free agency last year.

We need new coaches across the board, period. I have never been a "fire the coach" kind of guy because I think it is so horribly disruptive. But this is no longer justifiable.

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I'm not saying over pay, but he should get paid top 10-15 money at his position.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/11/29/brian-orakpo-is-diversifying-and-improving-his-game/]Brian Orakpo is diversifying and improving his game[/url]

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When the schedule was announced, this was one of the games I was really looking forward to. Thought this would be one of the keys to the Giants winning the division, just like last year's game at RFK (I don't care what it is really called) was the difference. Just a disappointing lousy season for both teams. After the Giants lost last week, part of me was hoping they would lose out to show management that major changes were needed. Now, if they manage to finish 7-9 or 8-8, they might be under the impression that it was a terrible start that just put them behind the 8-ball and they could never get out of it.

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Yeah now Rak is balling and RK is silent

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He leads the team in quarterback hits (13), tackles for loss (11) and, according to ProFootballFocus.com, ranks 13th among all 3-4 outside linebackers in quarterback hurries (24). Profootballfocus.com also ranks the 27-year-old as the fifth most productive player at his position this season.

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/talk/despite-skins-struggles-orakpo-surging]Despite Skins' struggles, Orakpo is surging | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1045333]Yeah now Rak is balling and RK is silent[/quote]

Gotta wonder if Kerrigan is more banged up than we know.

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He might be and what has happened to Rob Jackson? he's been awol lately

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Remember the Chiefs last year? That's who we are this year. Yes the Redskins have holes at ILB, RT, RG, DL, S. Next year the CB and S should improve, Thomas will be back, Rambo will be improved, Amerson. I would target Jonathan Martin (i don't care what people say, he can play), see if Cleveland doesn't protect Mack and get him too.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1045338]Remember the Chiefs last year? That's who we are this year. Yes the Redskins have holes at ILB, RT, RG, DL, S. Next year the CB and S should improve, Thomas will be back, Rambo will be improved, Amerson. I would target[B] Jonathan Martin[/B] (i don't care what people say, he can play), see if Cleveland doesn't protect Mack and get him too.[/quote]

You want someone who quit on his team? I mean I know Incognito is an asshole, but I dont think Martin comes out looking good at all. I wasnt impressed by his couple statements to the media. I dont know if i want someone this sensative on the team. I dont think he was playing that good either.

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[quote=Chico23231;1045340]You want someone who quit on his team? I mean I know Incognito is an asshole, but I dont think Martin comes out looking good at all. I wasnt impressed by his couple statements to the media. I dont know if i want someone this sensative on the team. I dont think he was playing that good either.[/quote]

Do you know the whole story of what happened? The results of the investigation will be out soon, let's wait and see what comes out before saying he's a quitter.

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Orakpo has played well and with Kerrigan being absent I don't see how the skins don't pay him. He has played well against bad and good tackles. One of his sacks was against joe staley who is a top 10 tackle for sure, arguebably a top 5 tackle.

If the redskins had other good pass rushers or depth at that position I would feel comfortable letting him go. The skins have neither of those things so they have to pay him.

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Well, after last night, anybody who pins this on RGIII is a moron. After last night, I don't ever want to hear anything else out of Pierre Garcon and especially Santana Moss about Robert Griffin III. How much leadership did Moss show last night getting an unsportsmanlike conduct foul? How much leadership did Garcon show dropping passes and fumbling that last pass into the hands of the DB? Or kicking the ball in the stands? Griffin did what he could to make plays. How can he make plays when Chester and Polumbus consistently refuses to block? How do you let someone like Justin Tuck have a free shot to the quarterback? Tuck had 2 1/2 sacks all year before last night. He had 4 sacks in last night's game alone. Don't talk to me about Griffin's inability to read defenses and refusal to go through his progressions. Take a few snaps behind THAT offensive line and tell me how well you're able to go through your reads.

Secondly, I keep hearing people say that Jordan Reed is glass. You know, Art Monk had some injury issues early on in his career. Wound up having a hall of fame career. Reed is going to be something special in this league. He got a freakin' concussion. It's not like he stayed out of the game because his pinky hurts. You deal away Reed and you're no better than Vinny Cerrato. In fact, you're worse. So shut up about Jordan Reed. Seeing Fred Davis consistently drop easy catches should show you why he was deactivated several weeks ago. Davis is trash. Plain and simple. He needs to go, along with Chris Chester and especially Tyler Polumbus. Santana Moss is still capable of making plays, but for every good play he makes, he cancels it out with stupid mistakes or drops. So, sorry Moss, I loved ya a few years ago, but you need to go as well. And Aldrick Robinson. So much speed and elusiveness, but all for nothing if you can't catch the freakin' football.

And finally, the #1 rushing attack in the league, and where did Alfred Morris go in the second half? This has been a constant gripe of mine all season long. Alfred Morris is a play maker. And you go away from him in the second half? WTF Kyle Shanahan? Yes, maybe Roy Helu is faster and more appropriate for the no huddle offense, but in the end, Morris is one of the best rushers in the league. YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR BEST PLAYERS ON THE FIELD! It's not like the 'skins were ever behind by a lot of points. Kyle Shanahan has done this so many times during the season. Morris catches steam the longer the game goes on. Kind of like how John Riggins was back in the glory days. You wear the defense down with a heavy dose of Alfred Morris - THAT is when you crank up the passing. Kyle Shanahan always seems to go away too early from the running game. I just don't understand that all.

I figure most of us are probably in agreement with the defense. The secondary is trash. That's nothing new. It needs to be badly upgraded. I know there was some hate being thrown toward Orakpo this year, but I think it's a mistake to cut him loose. I think you need to keep him around. Adding some depth to that defensive line will improve that front play - and we'll see more of what we expect from Rak and Kerrigan. I don't like Jim Haslett as well and will be very disappointed if he is retained after this season, but I do wonder if Haslett is given an improved secondary and depth on that defensive line, if he would fair better? I fear, though, there are so many issues with that defense that one off season is not going to fix that.

And I don't even want to talk about special teams. They're horrible. 'nuff said.

I just want this freakin' season to hurry up and end. It's a nightmare to say the least.

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[quote=Mattyk;1045331]I'm not saying over pay, but he should get paid top 10-15 money at his position.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/11/29/brian-orakpo-is-diversifying-and-improving-his-game/]Brian Orakpo is diversifying and improving his game[/url][/quote]


I'm still indifferent to Orakpo. I just dont' want us to put a bunch of money into him and it ends up not being worth it. I'm fine if we sign him, and I'm fine if we allow him to walk.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1045326]So he beat out a shitty LT. Also, didn't some of the teams the past few weeks sport backups LTs?


I'm for signing him, but it would have to be a average salary. (much like his play)[/quote]

I agree. Rak has not played great. He's been hurt 2/3 years and this year has played okay. If he wants a reasonable salary, sure. If not, I'm okay with the Rob Jackson era starting for the millions in cap space we'll save.

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If we were desperate with no cash to spend like 2012 and 2013, sure, take a chance on Martin but I don't want him when we can actually afford an option that doesn't have a history of being a quitter. Same goes for drug addicts, drunk drivers, rapists and those facing a big ban for multiple PED offenses.

So we bring in Jonathan Martin and D-Hall gets on his case to step up his game and give the D a chance to catch their breath...what does he do?

I keep hearing names like Britt, Talib, even Fing Incognito on here.

No. We can actually afford to improve this team. We need to clean house of guys who don't care like Fred Davis, guys who can't stay pit of trouble like Meriweather and guys who can't play like Polumbus.

Really for the first time in the Shanahan era, we can actually make some positive improvements. No more Vinny ciontracts on the books, no more Vinny cap penalty. We're missing draft picks but that doesn't concern me, we've watch them turn nothiing into a lot on draft days and they can do it again.

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[quote=skinsguy;1045343]Well, after last night, anybody who pins this on RGIII is a moron. After last night, I don't ever want to hear anything else out of Pierre Garcon and especially Santana Moss about Robert Griffin III. How much leadership did Moss show last night getting an unsportsmanlike conduct foul? How much leadership did Garcon show dropping passes and fumbling that last pass into the hands of the DB? Or kicking the ball in the stands? Griffin did what he could to make plays. How can he make plays when Chester and Polumbus consistently refuses to block? How do you let someone like Justin Tuck have a free shot to the quarterback? Tuck had 2 1/2 sacks all year before last night. He had 4 sacks in last night's game alone. Don't talk to me about Griffin's inability to read defenses and refusal to go through his progressions. Take a few snaps behind THAT offensive line and tell me how well you're able to go through your reads.

Secondly, I keep hearing people say that Jordan Reed is glass. You know, Art Monk had some injury issues early on in his career. Wound up having a hall of fame career. Reed is going to be something special in this league. He got a freakin' concussion. It's not like he stayed out of the game because his pinky hurts. You deal away Reed and you're no better than Vinny Cerrato. In fact, you're worse. So shut up about Jordan Reed. Seeing Fred Davis consistently drop easy catches should show you why he was deactivated several weeks ago. Davis is trash. Plain and simple. He needs to go, along with Chris Chester and especially Tyler Polumbus. Santana Moss is still capable of making plays, but for every good play he makes, he cancels it out with stupid mistakes or drops. So, sorry Moss, I loved ya a few years ago, but you need to go as well. And Aldrick Robinson. So much speed and elusiveness, but all for nothing if you can't catch the freakin' football.

And finally, the #1 rushing attack in the league, and where did Alfred Morris go in the second half? This has been a constant gripe of mine all season long. Alfred Morris is a play maker. And you go away from him in the second half? WTF Kyle Shanahan? Yes, maybe Roy Helu is faster and more appropriate for the no huddle offense, but in the end, Morris is one of the best rushers in the league. YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR BEST PLAYERS ON THE FIELD! It's not like the 'skins were ever behind by a lot of points. Kyle Shanahan has done this so many times during the season. Morris catches steam the longer the game goes on. Kind of like how John Riggins was back in the glory days. You wear the defense down with a heavy dose of Alfred Morris - THAT is when you crank up the passing. Kyle Shanahan always seems to go away too early from the running game. I just don't understand that all.

I figure most of us are probably in agreement with the defense. The secondary is trash. That's nothing new. It needs to be badly upgraded. I know there was some hate being thrown toward Orakpo this year, but I think it's a mistake to cut him loose. I think you need to keep him around. Adding some depth to that defensive line will improve that front play - and we'll see more of what we expect from Rak and Kerrigan. I don't like Jim Haslett as well and will be very disappointed if he is retained after this season, but I do wonder if Haslett is given an improved secondary and depth on that defensive line, if he would fair better? I fear, though, there are so many issues with that defense that one off season is not going to fix that.

And I don't even want to talk about special teams. They're horrible. 'nuff said.

I just want this freakin' season to hurry up and end. It's a nightmare to say the least.[/quote]


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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1045341]Do you know the whole story of what happened? The results of the investigation will be out soon, let's wait and see what comes out before saying he's a quitter.[/quote]

The dude lost his job to one of the biggest, partying fools in the NFL over the last 10 years. The Dolphins were forced to trade for a dude who had hosted a party where strippers knocked out the guess with big bottles of champaign. The Dolphins said Martin is so terrible, we need Bryan McKinnie now. We know that for a fact.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1045344]I'm still indifferent to Orakpo. I just dont' want us to put a bunch of money into him and it ends up not being worth it. I'm fine if we sign him, [B]and I'm fine if we allow him to walk[/B].[/quote]

Not sure I'm ok with letting one of the few legit starters on D walk. We have enough holes as it is.

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[quote=Chico23231;1045351]The dude lost his job to one of the biggest, partying fools in the NFL over the last 10 years. The Dolphins were forced to trade for a dude who had hosted a party where strippers knocked out the guess with big bottles of champaign. The Dolphins said Martin is so terrible, we need Bryan McKinnie now. We know that for a fact.[/quote]


Yeah I agree I don't want a quitter that was on the stanford sideline laughing it up while he was on "leave" for bullying, lmao u r a grown ass HUGE man grow some balls

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We could've really used Jordan Reed last night.

RG3 is a one man team out there. Outside of Alfmo, I feel like he really doesn't trust any of his receivers, hence why even if he has wide open receivers he'd rather just run with the ball.

So far RG3 has thrown, run and even threw a shitty block. Next thing we'll have him trying to catch the ball.

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[quote=Daseal;1045345]I agree. Rak has not played great. [B]He's been hurt 2/3 years[/B] and this year has played okay. If he wants a reasonable salary, sure. If not, I'm okay with the Rob Jackson era starting for the millions in cap space we'll save.[/quote]

Let's set this straight, he missed 14 games last year, other than that he's been a rock in the lineup only missing one other start.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/O/OrakBr99.htm]Brian Orakpo NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1045356][B]We could've really used Jordan Reed last night. [/B]

RG3 is a one man team out there. Outside of Alfmo, I feel like he really doesn't trust any of his receivers, hence why even if he has wide open receivers he'd rather just run with the ball.

So far RG3 has thrown, run and even threw a shitty block. Next thing we'll have him trying to catch the ball.[/quote]


Dude is fragile

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1045358]Dude is fragile[/quote]

A concussion makes you fragile?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1045358]Dude is fragile[/quote]

He does seem to roll around a lot but I guess a concussion is a concussion. Doughty had his second one of the year last night. So we'll probably see more Meriweather-Rambo out there.

(Read as: a lot more missed tackles)

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[quote=Mattyk;1045359]A concussion makes you fragile?[/quote]


He's always limping around Matt, cmon we say it every game, I like the guy and hope he's a great player but he's got to stay on the field.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/02/giants-defense-said-alfred-morris-not-rg3-was-the-man-to-stop/]Giants’ defense said Alfred Morris, not RG3, was the man to stop | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Game plan was to stop Alfmo. They did to an extent, but got an assist second half with Shanny/Kyle.

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[quote=Mattyk;1045354]Not sure I'm ok with letting one of the few legit starters on D walk. We have enough holes as it is.[/quote]

I'm just beside myself that people are even entertaining this idea of getting rid of Brian Orkapo. I mean, really? Let's get rid of one of the better players on that defense, because he hasn't reached Charles Mann status yet. Rak is a young gun. Yes, he's not a Pro Bowler this year, but he's one of the better (as you said Matt, legit) starters on that defense. There are so many other pressing needs on that defense - needs that probably won't be able to be fully addressed in one off-season, so the wise thing to do is to go ahead and dig an even deeper hole with the defense by getting rid of Brian Orkapo. LOL! Wow.