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[quote=skinsfaninok;1025931]^ Detroit lost to ARZ today. So they are not that great but it'll be hard to pick us at this point[/quote]

Arizona is a good team. I'm still trying to think of any possible way the Skins can slow down Calvin Johnson.

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Skins love to set team recoords. Im sure Megatron is lickin his chops.

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[quote=donofriose;1025933]Arizona is a good team. I'm still trying to think of any possible way the Skins can slow down Calvin Johnson.[/quote]

Double team?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1025935]Double team?[/quote]

With who? He would beat both of the players covering him.

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As far as defense is concerned, we just don't have good players. Counting the loss to Seattle, we've just been gashed. We can sit here and blame Haslett, and he'll take the fall eventually, but it's a talent issue. Fletcher is old and slow, Bowen is average to below average, Cofield is getting pushed around, the secondary cant cover, can't tackle and blow assignments. I don't think I've ever seen such a horrible secondary. Ever.

As far as the offense, RG3 needs a running game. If he doesn't have it, he's not good enough right now to carry the offense. And don't talk to me about his stats, very misleading. The line can't protect and none of them would start for a top team except Williams. Morris showed up today and ran hard, Reed looks like a keeper...but the wr's seemingly can only get open when the score is out of hand. Right now this entire team just sucks.

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[quote=donofriose;1025936]With who? He would beat both of the players covering him.[/quote]

Haha! Zing!

Guess we'll have to put the whole team on CJ. At least we're playing at home.

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And the really said thing to all this if we do finish like 4-12 we don't even get the 1st round pick.

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[quote=chewman;1025941]And the really said thing to all this if we do finish like 4-12 we don't even get the 1st round pick.[/quote]

We don't anyway. We gave away our first round pick for RG3

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1025942]We don't anyway. We gave away our first round pick for RG3[/quote]

Yeah I know but it makes it even worse if its a top ten pick.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1025942]We don't anyway. We gave away our first round pick for RG3[/quote]

Who looks nothing like the player we gave up 3 first for last year.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1025925]Why do people keep saying this? RGIII looks fine out there health wise. He was fast on his scramble, and he's moving around very well. This isn't a health issue. I feel it's more of a scheme issue than anything. We seem to do well with a up tempo pace on offense, so why not run that? Also some OL issues when we try to run the normal offense.[/quote]

You and I see eye to eye so much these days, it's eerie.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1025925]Why do people keep saying this? RGIII looks fine out there health wise. He was fast on his scramble, and he's moving around very well. This isn't a health issue. I feel it's more of a scheme issue than anything. We seem to do well with a up tempo pace on offense, so why not run that? Also some OL issues when we try to run the normal offense.[/quote]I agree that the scheme has been a problem. This O-line isn't built for a traditional pocket passing game, yet that's what we've tried to run, and Griffin has taken a beating in the pocket. Where are the bootlegs, the misdirection, etc. As much as Robert needs to play through the rust, Boy Wonder (Kyle) needs to get his act together.

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The problem is you can't really separate Kyle from Mike, mike from Kyle.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1025928]Are u serious? We can't beat Detriot and will have trouble with Oakland. Count on it.[/quote]

At the time the schedule first came out, I had us going 11-5, losing to Philly, Green Bay, Denver, San Fran and Atlanta. So I'm going to remain true to my original predictions. Althought looking at it now, I didn't think we would lose today's game by 18. If I had to make predictions now judging by how we're playing, I'd have us going 6-10. Things have got to change or this can get [I][U]real[/U][/I] ugly.

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We can beat Detroit, as I watched that game after ours ended. The Lions statistically won the game, but a turnover on the 5 yard line and yet more stupid penalties kept the Cards in the game. Stafford is a rather stiff operator, and doesn't run to even save his own ass. If we can get back to last year's scheme on offense and let Robert do his thing we should dominate Detroit. They do have an OK D, but it is only OK. Haslett better find a scheme that allows him to double team Megatron and keep at least a guy on Burleson or we will be torched yet again. A nice pass rush should do the trick though.

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[quote=donofriose;1025933]Arizona is a good team. I'm still trying to think of any possible way the Skins can slow down Calvin Johnson.[/quote]

Stafford doesn't scramble at all, he is a statue, a pure pocket passer. Nice blitz packages by Haslett will help against Megatron. Thing is you will have to double team Calvin, but still keep Burleson covered. Pettigrew still has dropititis for the most part so a LB can take him Rambo better learn how to tackle properly in 7 days as well.

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We are gonna ball so hard against lions. Bush already hurt, he is the key to that team. Ballin hard, can't wait

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[quote=skinsfan69;1025926]And someone here compared RG3 to Warren Moon? Really? You're talking about one of the best pure ever.[/quote]I did and I 100% stand by it, get a HC and OC that understand how to run an NFL offense and you'll see RG3 excel. Lose the Read-Option crap, run a Pats/Saints type O and use the entire field and you will see RG3 put up consistent HoF numbers.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;1025953]Stafford doesn't scramble at all, he is a statue, a pure pocket passer. Nice blitz packages by Haslett will help against Megatron. Thing is you will have to double team Calvin, but still keep Burleson covered. Pettigrew still has dropititis for the most part so a LB can take him Rambo better learn how to tackle properly in 7 days as well.[/quote]

Which Linebacker? Riley looked a little slow on coverage today in Finley and we already know Fletch has let age handicap him.

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[quote=The Goat;1025949]The problem is you can't really separate Kyle from Mike, mike from Kyle.[/quote]

Exactly. Right now I wish we had Norv as our OC. I know he didn't win jack with my namesake, but he did a lot offensively statwise with a 7th round QB from Tulsa, an over the hill RB (Allen) and some wheeze kids for WRs(Ellard and Sheppard).

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1025957]Which Linebacker? Riley looked a little slow on coverage today in Finley and we already know Fletch has let age handicap him.[/quote]


Don't have to be super fast with Pettigrew. He usually does shorter routes. If we were talking about the Pettigrew of 2010-11, then yeah we would have a problem. He has gone down a notch in skill level it seems, until he gets his act together. He had a couple catches today, but also still has dumb drops. Megatron and Burleson are the ones that can burn us bad.

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Blitz packages are probably going to be in abundance at FedEx next Sunday for the Skins. Banging up Stafford or making him rush his passes are the main key to stopping the Lions. Kid is like a deer in headlights most of the time outside the pocket.

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Dont leave out the bad kicking job that Sav Rocca has been doing as well. He had yet another short kick today as well. Thats not our issue for losing these games but thats not an nfl punter stat line who kicks line drives

This team looked so promising in preseason. If we were even 1-1 right now and had at least made a game of it today I think most of us would still be positive. This though has just been a complete shit show. Simply unbelievable.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;1025960]Blitz packages are probably going to be in abundance at FedEx next Sunday for the Skins. Banging up Stafford or making him rush his passes are the main key to stopping the Lions. Kid is like a deer in headlights most of the time outside the pocket.[/quote]

They will adjust to three step drops once the Skins start bringing more pressure. The key will be getting to him while only rushing 4 or 5 guys. The Packers adjusted at halftime and went with three step drops every time the Skins tried to blitz. Secondary still needs to cover their receivers for a couple of seconds and now that the Skins have shown a liability in stoping the run against any running back/OLine... Skins will probably give up at least 30 points.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;1025956]I did and I 100% stand by it, get a HC and OC that understand how to run an NFL offense and you'll see RG3 excel. Lose the Read-Option crap, run a Pats/Saints type O and use the entire field and you will see RG3 put up consistent HoF numbers.[/quote]

If Warren Moon had been drafted in the 70's, like he should have been, he would most likely had every passing record there is. Sorry, RG3 does not have the passing ability that Warren Moon had. End of discussion.

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[quote=rstone1979;1025962]Dont leave out the bad kicking job that Sav Rocca has been doing as well. He had yet another short kick today as well. Thats not our issue for losing these games but thats not an nfl punter stat line who kicks line drives[/quote]

Yep. Him and London need to go next year, they make our average team age a lot worse than what it is, and their age is really showing. Go young all over.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;1025956]I did and I 100% stand by it, get a HC and OC that understand how to run an NFL offense and you'll see RG3 excel. Lose the Read-Option crap, run a Pats/Saints type O and use the entire field and you will see RG3 put up consistent HoF numbers.[/quote]

RG would be a monster paired with those coaches. There's lots of coaches that would maximize his potential WITHOUT also making him a human piñata. Anyone who's experienced with a spread style like NO and certainly anyone who's shown the ability to mold scheme around personnel: Darth Hoody, Harbough brothers, Pete Carol, Jon fox. Who else?

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I don't think any second year player should be compared to hall of famers. Including RG3 to Moon or Luck to Manning. At least until they prove they can sustain success of a couple of years.

[QUOTE=Lotus;1025888]Everything went downhill after we cut Pat White.[/QUOTE]

FACT!

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[quote=donofriose;1025971]I don't think any second year player should be compared to hall of famers. Including RG3 to Moon or Luck to Manning. At least until they prove they can sustain success of a couple of years.[/quote]

I always liked Warren Moon.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1025967]If Warren Moon had been drafted in the 70's, like he should have been, he would most likely had every passing record there is. Sorry, RG3 does not have the passing ability that Warren Moon had. End of discussion.[/quote]Obviously only time will tell, but I'm not the only one who has compared RG3 to a HoF QB:

[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8369071/nfl-bill-polian-why-rg3-prototypical-qb"]NFL - Bill Polian - Why RG3 is a prototypical QB - ESPN[/URL]

Keep in mind in RG3's senior season at Baylor he completed over 72% of his passes and thru his first few games in 2011 had more TDs than incompletions. Even in the RO offense last year he completed 65% of his passes for a 102 QB rating.

Different eras of course, but Moon's completion % was over 60% in only 6 yrs. of his NFL career. RG3 has all the physical and mental tools to be every bit the passer Moon was.....it remains to be seen if Allen & Snyder can see how his growth as a passer is being stunted by MS/KS.

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[quote=The Goat;1025970]RG would be a monster paired with those coaches. There's lots of coaches that would maximize his potential WITHOUT also making him a human piñata. Anyone who's experienced with a spread style like NO and certainly anyone who's shown the ability to mold scheme around personnel: Darth Hoody, Harbough brothers, Pete Carol, Jon fox. Who else?[/quote]I like what Coach Sumlin has done at A&M, he's gone head-to-head with Bama two years in a row....granted and untimely Bama fumble helped A&M greatly on Sat., but still a great job by Sumlin at A&M.

Jim Mora's doing some good things at UCLA and may be looking to get back into the NFL. Both his OC & DC have NFL experience and are key to UCLA's revival.

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[quote=Bucket;1025905]For The record: Redskins have been out gained in yards 695-230 in the first half this season. They have been out scored 50-7, with the lone TD coming from a defensive TD against Philadelphia.[/quote]

That pretty much sums it up...

As far as I am concerned you can pretty much throw out the second half of these first two games. Misleading garbage yards and points.

This team is nothing short of terrible right now. The bad O is making it worse for the bad D, which is making it even worse for the bad O...snowball...

:puke:

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[quote=Deivybaby;1025911]I think we lose to detroit and oakland is not a bad team infact they might beat us we are not good against oakland and mcfadden going to have 100 yards could be trouble. I think our first win is against dallas.[/quote]

You know what bruv...I think you're right. Det, with Megatron, Bush, Stafford, has some real fire power. I can imagine a blowout loss, again, next week.

Why can't Griffin be compared to Steve young? Or john elway? It gets old comparing race to race, I agree with cam Newton when he said "what's the big deal about black Qbs "

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1025991]Why can't Griffin be compared to Steve young? Or john elway? It gets old comparing race to race, I agree with cam Newton when he said "what's the big deal about black Qbs "[/quote]

Too early to compare him to HOF players.

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[quote=Deivybaby;1025911]I think we lose to detroit and oakland is not a bad team infact they might beat us we are not good against oakland and mcfadden going to have 100 yards could be trouble. I think our first win is against dallas.[/quote]

We hung a 35 on them with a jacked up Jason Campbell we can stop McFadden we can win that game, and to you fairweather fans WE CAN BEAT DETROIT next week!

Kyle Shanahan let RGIII be RGIII open the playbook to him run the read option if you don't feel safe about it well he shouldn't be playing. Either let him do what he does or don't play him. This pocket crap is for Kirk Cousins and Rex, It's like we're forcing RGIII to be a run of the mill QB and thats not what we drafted him for.

Secondly the offense has to be in sync no more blocks to the back etc and missed routes.

Third DEFENSE STOP SOMEBODY these rookies in the secondary better cover better.

and finally......for god sakes WRAP UP when you lay the hit.

But seriously if RGIII isn't 100% he shouldn't be in the game. This is hurting the team The eagles was a winnable game.

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[quote=Bishop Hammer;1025990]You know what bruv...I think you're right. Det, with Megatron, Bush, Stafford, has some real fire power. I can imagine a blowout loss, again, next week.[/quote]

Would be the first time in the HISTORY of this team Detroit has beat us at home...and by history I mean some pretty terrible redskins teams. Somehow I don't think 16-0 against the Lions at home is going to fall Sunday. Even Pat Ramsay beat these guys.

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-I want Reed to play more. He was one of the only sure tacklers we had on defense today.

- Amerson/Rambo were missing tackles, and out of position a few times. The one play it looked like we checked off the coverage, and everyone knew it put Amerson. It resulted in a TD pass.

- RG3 is still looking like he's holding back. I can't really explain it, but even on his roll outs he looks a bit slower. It could just be the knee brace preventing him from bursting, but you can see the rust. He was bobbling snaps, faking the wrong way, messing up the play, dancing in the pocket, and overthrowing a lot of WR's today.

- We need to start playing more man coverage. I know a lot of you think this is crazy since you lack faith in our secondary, but with 2 rookies, and a good pass rush. I feel like the best route is to man up and pressure the QB. Most of our touchdowns allowed have been from blown coverages, and I feel like it'll help the rookies out by playing more man.

- A lot of people didn't like Danny Smith, but i'll be damned if we had all these bonehead penalties over and over and over again on special teams when he was here. It seems like we can't even have our special teams on the field without a penalty. Hell, even our onside kick last week had a penalty.

- Oh, and before I forget... Jordan Reed seems to have the best hands on the team this season. The guy catches everything. I wouldn't be surprised to see him take over the starting role by the bye week.