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[quote=CultBrennan59;961964]Ok well if thats the case, then all I have to say is that our 'college offense' will only work for so long, until the nfl stops it, which should be soon. Because gimmick offenses typically start to die down by the midway point of the season. Theres a reason the option isn't in the nfl.[/quote]

Personally I think the option will never work.. The pitch option that is. I don't think the draw option with the pass or run to Morris will be stopped as easily as people think.

I don't think that part of the offense is gimmick. I think the Shanahans did a good job on installing that type of offense for RG3, and it's been super effective against everyone. Unless WR's are dropping passes of course.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;961954]Have you seen how bad our organization is..?[/quote]

The Redskins organization isn't bad. Just unfortunate. It's frustrating considering what could have been. The Redskins could be in the NFC east division lead if not for the defense breaking down and giving up a number of leads this year. I'm proud of what our offense has accomplished the first half of the season.

Realistically, the Redskins are a season away from prime time and could still compete if we are able turn the season around and enter the playoffs.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;961896]If you aren't qualified to figure out the solution, what on earth makes you qualified to point out the problem?[/QUOTE]

When your pipes are leaking you know there is a problem. What do you do? You call a plumber.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;961865]He will, some of are just dreaming. Shanahan needs to do changes fire Smith and Haslett.[/quote]

But why change gears in the middle of the rebuilding phase? Isn't continuity more important, just IF for the sake of continuity? If we shouldn't fire the HC, why fire the ST and DC who has direct oversight over their respective squads? Shouldn't they be also given 5 years to rebuild? Aren't things automatically going to get better with time? If MS brought those two coaches on in the first place, who in the hell thinks he can find someone better to replace them with if you have absolutely no talent or high draft pix to work with?

Just some questions.

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[quote=NC_Skins;961895]SO 4 pages, and not a single hater has come up with anything. Zero. Zilch. Nothing. Nada.


Reminds me of this.


[YT]5SDqa1hw2-M[/YT][/quote]

Here is the thing NCSkins. Its not that we know all of the coaching talent in college, retired, between jobs, coordinators. Most of us don't, so that would be pure speculation. All that the haters are doing is pointing out that there has to be something better. Or look at it like this.

You see out of your rearview mirror tons of white smoke is coming out of your cars tailpipe and hear a rattling noise. That doesn't mean you know how to rebuild an engine, but you definitely are qualified enough to appreciate the fact that there is an issue somewhere in the car, and think a more capable mechanic should maybe come to your house and fix the issue before it completely screws the rest of your car beyond repair. I think that kind of applies here. Just because we cannot give specific stud replacement names, reasons, rationales and plans for scheme, draft, free agency, front office stuff, etc........ does not take away from the validity of our arguments. And pointing out that since we haven't come in here and do anything but speculate on how to build a team doesn't mean we don't know (again, just OHO) that this team isn't looking too hot right about now.

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[quote=Mechanix544;962225]But why change gears in the middle of the rebuilding phase? Isn't continuity more important, just IF for the sake of continuity? If we shouldn't fire the HC, why fire the ST and DC who has direct oversight over their respective squads? Shouldn't they be also given 5 years to rebuild? Aren't things automatically going to get better with time? If MS brought those two coaches on in the first place, who in the hell thinks he can find someone better to replace them with if you have absolutely no talent or high draft pix to work with?

Just some questions.[/quote]

Haslett was a bad hire from the beginning, Smith's ST always have some kind of issue. My main beef is with Haslett's lack of adjustments with or without injuries, talent,etc.

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[quote=Paintrain;961732]Spinning off of the Should We Fire Mike Shanahan thread..

If you are one of the 'Fire Shanahan' proponents, what is your SPECIFIC plan to get this team back on the right path?

Who would you have picking personnel?
Who would you hire as head coach?
What offensive system would you want in place and who (OC) will run it?
What defensive system would you want in place and who (DC) will run it?
Who are your building block players for the systems you recommend?

Be detailed.[/quote]

This is a kewl thread thanks to the mods for letting discussion roll.

1) I'm good with whoever BA chooses. BA is the top guy, no question.

2) Would prefer a certain profile e.g. previous HC coaching experience who showed/shows real promise but was possibly in a bad situation or just in over his head the first time around but he's matured. Next best a coordinator (w/o HC experience) who's tearing it up. Kyle is NOT on this list, hombres. Last, if any of Payton, Cowher or Gruden are interested I'd definitely talk w/ them.

3) Pro style offense (lose the read option save four or five times per year) similar to the Packers, Giants or Bengals. Offer one of those guys more money and grab their best pupil.

4) Unless a top shelf nose tackle can be got we switch back to the 4-3, otherwise the best we'll ever be is middle of the pack (like last year) and most of the time we'll suck like we do now. Ummmm can we have Gregg Williams back? I'd take him as HC or DC btw. If somehow we stick with the 3-4 I'd get Jason Garret.

5) The offense retains it's roster with the exceptions of Polumbus (cut and replaced by best FA or higher draft pick) and Banks (gone for good). Line stays the same otherwise. RB corp stays the same. WR stays the same, and you sit down with Tana and renegotiate the contract. TE is hopefully Davis, Paulsen/Cooley, Paul (SP)
Defense (probably a 4-3) adds as much talent in the secondary as possible. We can make due with our current dline and LB corp in a 4-3, in fact there will be fewer players wrong for the 4-3 as there currently are for the 3-4.

I think we're four good players total away from overall solid talent (if we go to the 4-3) and five good ones total away if we stick with the 3-4. Where the hell you gonna find that monster NT anyway?

With the above, I think we have the talent to go at least 8-8 (don't forget how good RG3 is) within two years. That's with average coaching. Better coaching gets us into the playoffs within two years, and you give this HC five years minimum no matter what. Elite coaching makes you a SB contender within three years, and looking at a possible legacy.

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[quote=Mechanix544;962230]Here is the thing NCSkins. Its not that we know all of the coaching talent in college, retired, between jobs, coordinators. Most of us don't, so that would be pure speculation. All that the haters are doing is pointing out that there has to be something better. Or look at it like this.

You see out of your rearview mirror tons of white smoke is coming out of your cars tailpipe and hear a rattling noise. That doesn't mean you know how to rebuild an engine, but you definitely are qualified enough to appreciate the fact that there is an issue somewhere in the car, and think a more capable mechanic should maybe come to your house and fix the issue before it completely screws the rest of your car beyond repair. I think that kind of applies here. Just because we cannot give specific stud replacement names, reasons, rationales and plans for scheme, draft, free agency, front office stuff, etc........ does not take away from the validity of our arguments. And pointing out that since we haven't come in here and do anything but speculate on how to build a team doesn't mean we don't know (again, just OHO) that this team isn't looking too hot right about now.[/quote]

Yeah,what he said!:tongue

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i like how punch said it, something along the lines of: if the pipes are leaking, you call a plumber.

btw, if you ever need a plumber in the dmv area, call [B]w.l. gary[/B]

[QUOTE=los panda;962450]i like how punch said it, something along the lines of: if the pipes are leaking, you call a plumber.

btw, if you ever need a plumber in the dmv area, call [B]w.l. gary[/B][/QUOTE]

Lmao.

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[quote=punch it in;962484]Lmao.[/quote]had to get that plug in there

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Gruden to the Eagles?

Noooooooooooo!

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[quote=RedskinRat;962487]Gruden to the Eagles?

Noooooooooooo![/quote][YT]CWILhrSzw5o[/YT]

[QUOTE=RedskinRat;962487]Gruden to the Eagles?

Noooooooooooo![/QUOTE]

Huh?

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[quote=los panda;962488][YT]CWILhrSzw5o[/YT][/quote]

:laughing2

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For all you chip Kelly fans...
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/09/people-close-to-oregons-chip-kelly-think-hes-heading-to-the-nfl/]People close to Oregon’s Chip Kelly think he’s heading to the NFL | ProFootballTalk[/url]

[QUOTE=los panda;962450]i like how punch said it, something along the lines of: if the pipes are leaking, you call a plumber.

btw, if you ever need a plumber in the dmv area, call [B]w.l. gary[/B][/QUOTE]

I am very proud of that plumber thing i came up with. Very proud.

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;962919]For all you chip Kelly fans...
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/09/people-close-to-oregons-chip-kelly-think-hes-heading-to-the-nfl/]People close to Oregon’s Chip Kelly think he’s heading to the NFL | ProFootballTalk[/url][/QUOTE]

Im a big fan of him and the dc. Problem is Bama will school them if they make it and When they refer to him as something the nfl has never seen i think spurrier. Than i think spurrier wasnt so god awful and if he had the rite qb he would have succeeded. Than i think ive had too much to drink.

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Spurrier was a joke. He could have had Montana and he would have failed.

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Spurrier did not belong in the NFL! Let's face it! But Shanny really did Jake Plummer wrong in Denver when he was doing well and replaced him with now Bears QB, Jay Cutler.

Shanny may have one more year to prove he can still fit in the league as he has a future star in QB RG3!

[QUOTE=Mattyk;962929]Spurrier was a joke. He could have had Montana and he would have failed.[/QUOTE]

So funny u say that because i wanted to put montana in parentheses after the "rite qb". Lol

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I like the article that says the players are backing shanny... that enough buys him to live out his contract here..... just get rid of haslett... i wanna go back to the 4-3 also... ahhhhh a week to wait for redskin football! Gonna do what i do best... finish drinking some.beers, watch predator the best movie ever and be with my woman lol... talk to ya'll soon.

Player or coach its all about circumstance more than anything else. Rite place rite time.

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Hey, the Redskins are on a bye this week, and Vegas has the bye favored to win by 5. Wow, this team is truely pathetic.

Hey Garcon, are you interesting in playing some football this year? Earn your damn money dude, and that goes for EVERYONE who plays on defense.

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[quote=Mattyk;962929]Spurrier was a joke. He could have had Montana and he would have failed.[/quote]

But he might have put up 100 in Tokyo!

[QUOTE=Meks;962934]I like the article that says the players are backing shanny... that enough buys him to live out his contract here..... just get rid of haslett... i wanna go back to the 4-3 also... ahhhhh a week to wait for redskin football! Gonna do what i do best... finish drinking some.beers, watch predator the best movie ever and be with my woman lol... talk to ya'll soon.[/QUOTE]

Love that movie! I'm going to chill with fam and maybe watch a little football. I'm not sure yet

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;962951]But he might have put up 100 in Tokyo![/quote]
LOL
I was on vacation when that game came on.I was driving back from Va to Tx and watched it at the motel,had such high hopes after that game:)

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Thank you for submitting something legit. A shame with all the hatters, they couldn't come up with anything really.

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;961901]Who would you have picking personnel?
Bruce Allen keeps reigns as GM with final personnel say so. Campbell and scouting dept. stay.

Who would you hire as head coach?
Really depends on who is available after the season. i wouldn't go with a college coach.
Some thoughts would be: Brian Shotty, Cam Cameron, Ray Horton

What offensive system would you want in place and who (OC) will run it?
I'd like to run a Pats type system, but don't like the quantity of option routes in the system. I would combine this with the Air Coryell system (playcalling/route numbering) with fixed routes and reads. Run game would be a more power based game, rather than the zone system we run.

I'd want either of the two mentioned above or someone from the Coryell, Gibbs, Norv Turner coaching tree (not Norv himself tho). Sarkisian maybe as OC if Shotty or Cameron.

What defensive system would you want in place and who (DC) will run it?
Defensive system would be the Bum Phillips one-gap 3-4 or Dick Lebeau's attacking zone-blitz scheme.

Rod Woodson possible DC or someone who was under Wade Phillips.
[/quote]


Cam Cameron? Absolutely not. That guy is about to be ran out of Baltimore as it is. I have watched too many Ravens game where he has Flacco passing 40+ times with Ray Rice having hardly any carries. He's the only name on your list I found to be a terrible choice.


[quote=jdc65;961915]As a possible GM, [B]Eric DeCosta[/B], 41, asst GM for the Ravens under Ozzie Newsome. Worked his way up from the bottom and has a nice resume.

Consider Bill Polian as he has been successful everywhere he's been.

Head Coach is very difficult at this point because the season needs to play out. I would consider [B]Jay Gruden [/B] if the Bengals offense plays well down the stretch. Greg Roman of the 49ers has been suggested here, and has a strong buzz. I would prefer to have an offensive minded coach.

However I do believe that a black Head Coach may be the best option for the organization given the makeup of the team and the city. Don't want to bring race into it per se, but honestly do feel an AA coach here offers certain intangibles that should be factored in. Relating to the players, dealing with the local media and fanbase, diffusing certain criticisms and speculations. My 2 choices would be [B]Roy Horton[/B], DC of Ari, or Perry Fewell, DC of NYG. Both have impressive resumes and are great with players and media. Both are defensive minded, which may be more of a necessity.

I am also very enamored with [B]Chip Kelly [/B]of Oregon, the Spurrier debacle not withstanding. Kelly has reportedly strong organizational skills which Spurrier did not. The Patriots employ parts of their high octane offense successfully, so it should translate. I want to see the Ducks play Alabama for the Title first. Bama has virtually an NFL defense, and an impressive showing against them puts Kelly at the top of my list. Kelly's offense would be explosive with Griffin and with the appropriate speed around him. Kelly might jump with a Title and RG as his QB. Enticing possibilities and a track meet on sundays. Scary going back to a college coach though.

As far as coordinators go, that is up to the HC. Also want to see who gets fired at the end, but Rex Ryan, [B]Mike Zimmer [/B]are options with an offensive HC. 1st timers might be [B]Vance Joseph[/B], DB coach of Texans, or [B]Greg Jackson[/B], DB coach of 9ers if a defensive HC is hired.

Offense might be, if fired, [B]Jason Garrett [/B]or Rob Chudzinski as possible options with a defensive HC. Dark horse might be Brian Callahan, asst with Denver, who helped with Tebow transformation midseason last year, and now breaks down film with Peyton Manning. Young though.
.[/quote]

Love the choice of Eric Decosta. Not so much with Chudzinski. Panther fans want this guy ran out of town...and pronto...lol

The one problem I have with Bill Polian is the same one I have with AJ Smith. Brilliant mind, but lets his ego get in the way. No way would he be able to coexist with Danny.

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No coaches.


RGIII just takes 10 guys out to play street ball on offense.

The D just flies around and goes headhunting on every play...when they get tired or hurt, they tap out like a pro wrestler for a breather. I say Lorenzo Alexander can be the Defensive captain since he can play every position. He picks the starters.


Lets just try it out for one year.

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well, if our entire team were RGIIIs and STs, that'd actually work really well.

sadly, the reality is a bit different.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;961792]Where did you get the idea that if a fan advocates that Shanahan be replaced, that he should have a plan to fix everything after Shanahan is gone?

A fan doesn't need to have the answers in order to clearly see the problem. Shanahan has quit on the season and I, for one, don't want a quitter for a Head Coach. I know he tried to back off of his post game remarks but I don't believe he misspoke.

Also, he regularly blames his players while defending his coaches which apparently has caused some resentment among the players. Some players have been courageous enough to speak up about the intractability of Jim Haslett, in particular. Surely, there are more players who believe that they alone are being blamed for what is wrong with the team. If so, I'm sure they would view that as unfair to them. In short, I think that he has probably lost the locker room.

Not to mention that the fans need only look at Shanahan's win/loss record as the Head Coach of the Redskins to figure out that he hasn't exactly set the NFL on fire.

Personally, I'm just about done with Shanahan. As I said above, I don't think I need to know how to fix the Redskins in order to justify my having that opinion. If Dan Snyder decides that Shanahan should go, then it's his job to figure out what to do next.[/quote]

So your saying I just want him gone and I dont have a clue about who we should bring in. Nice

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;961814]No, not common sense because I'm not a professional football executive and I'm not qualified to figure out the solution.[/quote]

Your right your just a fan who wants to fire a coach every 2 or 3 years and wonder why we have been a big shit show for the last decade.

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I like the thread paintrain and its funny that all the Shanny haters could not come up with a solid plan to replace him. Its easy to say fire a coach but when things are not going well. We need to stop having knee jerk reactions when the team loses. Hey we have a ton of injuries and a rookie qb that is a difference maker. Look every one is on the Colts bandwagon cause they have a winning record now. Tell who have they played this year. Their schedule is garbage but hey they are winning against bad teams so I give them some props. As for the Redskins we need to learn how to have a home field advantage thats the most disappointing thing about this team is our poor home record. Damn are our fans that bad we can't win at home. Im supporting Shanny and I know he wil turn this thing around.

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If there's a college i like, it would be Stanford's David Shaw. He's was flying low under the radar, Stanford beating Oregon just put him into the spotlight. Last year he had Andrew Luck. This year they lost many key players from last year, including making a QB switch 2 weeks ago.

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Shaw does have a history with Allen. He's a great guy

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History shows that college coaches (with no NFL background) simply do not do well in the league. Different game. The only college coach that's been successful has been Jimmy Johnson. Even then, he couldn't duplicate that success at Miami. Even the "great" Nick Saban was a bust in the NFL.

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[quote=NC_Skins;964647]History shows that college coaches (with no NFL background) simply do not do well in the league. Different game. The only college coach that's been successful has been Jimmy Johnson. Even then, he couldn't duplicate that success at Miami. Even the "great" Nick Saban was a bust in the NFL.[/quote]

He hasn't won anything yet really but SFRedskin would respond with "Two Words: Jim Harbaugh"

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Shaw has some history with the Eagles..Raiders and Ravens.

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[quote=SmootSmack;964651]He hasn't won anything yet really but SFRedskin would respond with "Two Words: Jim Harbaugh"[/quote]

You are right!! Shaw has proven this year that he can win on his own without Harbaugh. Last year he inherited an excellent team (2 players from that team were drafted in the 1st round and 2 in the 2nd). This year he had to fill many holes, switched to a new QB 2 weeks ago, a redshirt freshman (Kevin Hogan) and beat #2 ranked Oregon in Oregon and held them to 14 pts. As for being ready for the NFL, I would give him one more year, but would put him under consideration. By the way, he has been an NFL assistant for 9 years before going back to college.