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[quote=RedskinRat;904001]I have to say that doesn't make him a bad kid nor Zimmerman a racist.

There is now a hint of cynical exploitation to this event that, should it prove to be true, [B]would set race relations back a few decades.[/B]

I'm also not a big fan of happy capering during a solemn (I would guess) event like a walk [I]in memoriam, [/I]although I could have posted this in 'Grind my gears'[/quote]

I know this sounds awful, but I'm kinda glad it wasn't a white guy who shot him. I mean, this is already a media circus, but it involves 2 minorities. Which doesn't make it any better, but I just feel like there's a different air about it than if it was some lily white guy, shooting a black guy. I feel like that would be bad. I'm talking like, race riots bad.

I don't feel like things are going to breakdown between blacks and hispanics because of this.

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Okay, so why is it inflammatory if a white person shoots a black teenager under suspicious circumstances but [I]not[/I] inflammatory if a Hispanic individual shoots a black teenager under suspicious circumstances? Explain to me why this is not base hypocracy or demagougery.

It's between two minorities? So minorities can shoot each other and society won't bring out the pitchforks, only white folks have to answer to the mob? This doesn't strike you as wrong? A young man is dead - If unjustified, shouldn't outrage flow regardless of who shot him or the colors involved?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;904073]So minorities can shoot each other and society won't bring out the pitchforks, only white folks have to answer to the mob? [/quote]

So it would appear, yes.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;904004]So a kid with tattoos and gold teeth is a gangster? Or a drugdealer? I'm pretty sure if this dude was a true gangster he wouldn't have had just iced tea and skittles on him right? I'm not saying he didn't do anything wrong in this case but in all fairness most 18 year old s want to act hard that's just the way it is in today's world.[/quote]

The one website that was linked a few posts above paints a pretty good picture that Martin was into drugs or the drug scene. He also had problems at school. Keep in mind the website has credible news links to all stories. They hit gold when they found Martin's facebook and twitter.

He was suspended out of school for 10 days, later revealed to be from assulting a bus driver. There is a screen cap from Martin's twitter where Martin and someone else are talking about the incident.

There is also a facebook conversation posted from where someone was asking Martin where he was because "a ni**a needs a plant"

Friends of Treyvon took to twitter and facebook and posted photos of a rolled up blunt, along with a picture of treyvon. Not saying beating up a bus driver, selling weed, or smoking marijuana makes him a bad guy, but it does paint a drastically different scene than the 4 year old photos of a 13 year old angelic looking boy that the media has posted every where.

There is also a fox video where they have a witness that described the scene. Zimmerman was being beaten and held down by Martin allegedly, and they say that the screams on the 911 call was Zimmerman's own. Even the police say that when they found zimmerman, he was beaten, bloody, with a broken nose, a laceration on his head, and his clothes were wet with grass stains on them, indicating signs of a struggle. Also as some mentioned, Zimmerman was only 5'9 and was not in shape at the time of this fight. Martin was easily 6'3"" or bigger and weighed 200 pounds. An out of shape 5'9guy is never going to do very well against an in shape 17 year old who is 6'3" and 200 pounds..

I have a bad feeling there will never be resolution with this case, regardless of the verdict. too many unanswered questions, although it now looks like things are starting to become more clear on what may have happened that night.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;904081]Zimmerman was only 5'9 and was not in shape at the time of this fight. Martin was easily 6'3"" or bigger and weighed 200 pounds. An out of shape 5'9guy is never going to do very well against an in shape 17 year old who is 6'3" and 200 pounds..
[/quote]

The stats I read earlier (which I now can't find) had Zimmerman weighing in at 200lbs and 5'9" and Trayvon Martin at 170lbs and 6'3".

This is starting to become more like the Duke Lacrosse witch hunt by every hour.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;904073]Okay, so why is it inflammatory if a white person shoots a black teenager under suspicious circumstances but [I]not[/I] inflammatory if a Hispanic individual shoots a black teenager under suspicious circumstances? Explain to me why this is not base hypocracy or demagougery.

It's between two minorities? So minorities can shoot each other and society won't bring out the pitchforks, only white folks have to answer to the mob? This doesn't strike you as wrong? A young man is dead - If unjustified, shouldn't outrage flow regardless of who shot him or the colors involved?[/quote]

I think it's the idea that people think minorities need to band together against white people because they're looking out for their own, so minorities have to look after their own. Its an archaic idea but it seems those ideas die hard.

I mean, I just read an article on how some white kids, aged 16-21 were bummed out when they found out certain characters from The Hunger Games were black. I mean really? Someone outright said they felt no pity for those characters anymore.

It seems like minority crimes get swept under the rug. It's just kind of like, "eh shit happens." Minority on minority crime doesn't cause outrage, but if its white on black or vice versa, everyone's ready to stage a protest and cry racism.

In my opinion, its all incredibly sad.

I strongly hope and want to believe that we're still making strides in race relations where there ARE no barriers and people want justice because a young man died, but cases like this, where it seems like people are trying to inject race into it and the example I gave makes me think there's still a long, long way to go.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;904081]The one website that was linked a few posts above paints a pretty good picture that Martin was into drugs or the drug scene. He also had problems at school. Keep in mind the website has credible news links to all stories. They hit gold when they found Martin's facebook and twitter.

[B]He was suspended out of school for 10 days, later revealed to be from assulting a bus driver. There is a screen cap from Martin's twitter where Martin and someone else are talking about the incident.[/B]

There is also a facebook conversation posted from where someone was asking Martin where he was because "a ni**a needs a plant"

Friends of Treyvon took to twitter and facebook and posted photos of a rolled up blunt, along with a picture of treyvon. Not saying beating up a bus driver, selling weed, or smoking marijuana makes him a bad guy, but it does paint a drastically different scene than the 4 year old photos of a 13 year old angelic looking boy that the media has posted every where.

There is also a fox video where they have a witness that described the scene. Zimmerman was being beaten and held down by Martin allegedly, and they say that the screams on the 911 call was Zimmerman's own. Even the police say that when they found zimmerman, he was beaten, bloody, with a broken nose, a laceration on his head, and his clothes were wet with grass stains on them, indicating signs of a struggle. Also as some mentioned, Zimmerman was only 5'9 and was not in shape at the time of this fight. Martin was easily 6'3"" or bigger and weighed 200 pounds. An out of shape 5'9guy is never going to do very well against an in shape 17 year old who is 6'3" and 200 pounds..

I have a bad feeling there will never be resolution with this case, regardless of the verdict. too many unanswered questions, although it now looks like things are starting to become more clear on what may have happened that night.[/quote]

I heard on CNN he was suspended for having a baggie that tested positive for holding marijuana.

And Zimmerman also had a domestic abuse charge from beating up an ex-girlfriend.

This whole thing is such a pendulum, swinging back and forth from who seems like the most innocent party. As details emerge I don't think either of these guys were wrapped too tight.

Still not convinced Martin was a thug, just a kid that likes to smoke marijuana... A lot. And I don't think Zimmerman is a racist either, but I do still think he's a nut.

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It took me a long time to read through the whole website:

[url=http://a12iggymom.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealer/]Was Trayvon Martin a Drug Dealer? | a12iggymom's Blog[/url]

But I encourage everyone to. It isn't conjecture or speculation, it is all news and photo evidence pieced together. The twitter conversations and myspace photos all show a totally different guy than what the media wants you to think. Not saying that stuff should have cost him his life, but now witnesses are coming forward and all signs point to Martin being the aggressor.

I was also very saddened to hear that Martin's mother is now copyrighting slogans about Trayvon so that they can sell DVDs and CDs about the tragedy. Again this is not speculation this is a statement coming straight from the Martin family attorney. So it looks to me like they are going to try and make some money off it. Very sickening.

It is like the duke university witch hunt. More and more crap coming out by the minute...

If This was black on black crime would it be national news worthy? This is what bothers me about the situation, I'm not on any side of This case, I do think Martin had to have said something or done something to get shot but he probably shouldn't have been followed anyway.. but my point is if a black man shot and killed let's say a white or hespanic man I just don't see it big news like this.. hell young black males are murdered almost every day in new Orleans but this so happened to be a "racial " issue and here we go again. 2012 and our country still is ridiculous when it comes to race.

[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;904097]I heard on CNN he was suspended for having a baggie that tested positive for holding marijuana.

And Zimmerman also had a domestic abuse charge from beating up an ex-girlfriend.

This whole thing is such a pendulum, swinging back and forth from who seems like the most innocent party. As details emerge I don't think either of these guys were wrapped too tight.

Still not convinced Martin was a thug, just a kid that likes to smoke marijuana... A lot. And I don't think Zimmerman is a racist either, but I do still think he's a nut.[/QUOTE]

He smoked weed and had gold teeth but I don't see any record of him that show gang activity or even any weapons charges. He was 17 I mean all kids that age think they are something they are not.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;904100]It took me a long time to read through the whole website:

[url=http://a12iggymom.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealer/]Was Trayvon Martin a Drug Dealer? | a12iggymom's Blog[/url]

But I encourage everyone to. It isn't conjecture or speculation, it is all news and photo evidence pieced together. The twitter conversations and myspace photos all show a totally different guy than what the media wants you to think. Not saying that stuff should have cost him his life, but now witnesses are coming forward and all signs point to Martin being the aggressor.

I was also very saddened to hear that Martin's mother is now copyrighting slogans about Trayvon so that they can sell DVDs and CDs about the tragedy. Again this is not speculation this is a statement coming straight from the Martin family attorney. So it looks to me like they are going to try and make some money off it. Very sickening.

It is like the duke university witch hunt. More and more crap coming out by the minute...[/quote]

The first thing on that page says on a conservative note, and of you read more than one sentence you can tell there is an agenda. Terrible article, by that sites judgement I would be classified as a thug since I have an arm full of tattoos and a checkered past. I'm not going to call a 17 year old kid a gang Banger because he has a few tattoos and has experimented with drugs.

The fact is the police said so not pursue, he pursued and a conflict occurred. Had he not pursued this would not be an issue. And if the stand your ground law didn't exist Zimmerman would be in jail. IMO Zimmerman is guilty of at a minimum manslaughter and should serve years in jail, but due to this terrible law he may never see a jail cell. If anything hopefully this law gets repelled in every state. From what I understand you could pick a fight with someone, start losing that fight, pull out a gun and shoot the person. Such a joke.

And as far as his family trying to copyright things to try and make money. Take a step back and think about how much money this is costing the family to pursue legal action as well as organize protests. And who's to say if she did not copyright these things that someone else might be out there making money off her sons death. She could also start a foundation with proceeds as well. I'd wait a second before I said she was trying to profit from her sons death though.

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Wonder if Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton regret jumping the gun on this like they did with the Duke rape case?

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[quote=mlmdub130;904182]The first thing on that page says on a conservative note, and of you read more than one sentence you can tell there is an agenda. Terrible article, by that sites judgement I would be classified as a thug since I have an arm full of tattoos and a checkered past. I'm not going to call a 17 year old kid a gang Banger because he has a few tattoos and has experimented with drugs.

[B]The fact is the police said so not pursue, he pursued and a conflict occurred. Had he not pursued this would not be an issue.[/B] And if the stand your ground law didn't exist Zimmerman would be in jail. IMO Zimmerman is guilty of at a minimum manslaughter and should serve years in jail, but due to this terrible law he may never see a jail cell. If anything hopefully this law gets repelled in every state. From what I understand you could pick a fight with someone, start losing that fight, pull out a gun and shoot the person. Such a joke.

And as far as his family trying to copyright things to try and make money. Take a step back and think about how much money this is costing the family to pursue legal action as well as organize protests. And who's to say if she did not copyright these things that someone else might be out there making money off her sons death. She could also start a foundation with proceeds as well. I'd wait a second before I said she was trying to profit from her sons death though.[/quote]

First of the dispatcher told him not to pursue and they are not police. Second when he was told not to pursue he said (OK) what evidence do you have that says he kept pursuing the kid?

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[quote=firstdown;904225]First of the dispatcher told him not to pursue and they are not police. Second when he was told not to pursue he said (OK) what evidence do you have that says he kept pursuing the kid?[/quote]

When you could still hear him running and breathing heavy in the audio tape.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;904227]When you could still hear him running and breathing heavy in the audio tape.[/quote]

So that couldn't *possibly* have been him going back to his SUV?

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[quote=mlmdub130;904182]
The fact is the police said so not pursue, he pursued and a conflict occurred. Had he not pursued this would not be an issue. And if the stand your ground law didn't exist Zimmerman would be in jail. IMO Zimmerman is guilty of at a minimum manslaughter and should serve years in jail, but due to this terrible law he may never see a jail cell. If anything hopefully this law gets repelled in every state. From what I understand you could pick a fight with someone, start losing that fight, pull out a gun and shoot the person. Such a joke.
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]A dispatcher, who happened to be a police officer, said "We dont need you to do that" in regards to Zimmerman indicating that he was following Martin. Thats a little different than a police officer telling Zimmerman not to pursue.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://phoebe53.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/zimmerman-911-call-transcript-trayvon-martin/"]Zimmerman 911 Call Transcript – Trayvon Martin « Phoebe's Detention Room[/URL][/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I dont think Zimmerman had any idea that the dispatcher was a police officer. Also i think i heard FL law (maybe federal) says you dont have to adhere to anything your told over the phone from a police officer, 911 dispatcher, or anyone else. Its all advice, nothing official. Perhaps thats why the dispatcher said "we dont need you to do that" as opposed a command like "do not do that". Regardless, it seems by all accounts Zimmerman stopped following Martin at the advice of the dispatcher. Unfortunately the media usually ends the recording prematurely and makes it sounds like Zimmerman kept going after Martin. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The trouble i have in siding with Zimmerman is that he got out of his truck and followed Martin in the first place, when there was no reason to believe Martin had yet committed a crime, and more specifically a crime against Zimmerman or his family.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I was a victim of violent crime and one surprising thing i learned is that preceding separate acts cant be used against you. The example is if you see someone driving recklessly, then they leave your sights, and moments later you see that car involved in an accident, your previous account of them driving recklessly cant be used against them. The thought is you have no idea if they stopped speeding or driving recklessly immediately before the accident. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So they law may see what happened as 2 separate acts. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]1) Zimmerman got out of his truck to follow Martin. At this point if he had encountered Martin and the result was the same, I fully believe Zimmerman would be guilty of manslaughter at a very minimum and deserves to spend time in jail. But he didn’t encounter Martin at this point and more importantly when told to stop he stopped. And he stopped long enough to give the dispatcher his information so that police could assist him. And according to Zimmerman he retreated to his suv. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Then:[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]2) Zimmerman was walking to his SUV and was confronted by Martin from behind and after they exchanged words Martin punched Zimmerman in the face breaking his noise and took him the ground and was slamming his head against the sidewalk. In the struggle and while under an reasonable impression that Martin had a gun or weaon he shot Martin in the chest. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So I think what people need to consider is; was Zimmerman acting in self defense specifically in the context of JUST the 2nd scenario. Sure I personally feel, like most of you probably do, that if not for Zimmerman getting out of his suv Martin would be alive, therefore Zimmerman was in the wrong and provoked the actions of Martin. But as wrong as Zimmerman was to get out of his car, he did stop and retreated at which point Zimmerman would be justified more so to defend himself when attacked. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]* This is based off of Zimmerman’s accounts which obviously may be false. But it does match up with his injuries and the accounts of some witnesses. Im just going off of reported information. Also this is my understanding of law, which makes it completely worthless….[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Something else that I think will be a legal issue is the girlfriend’s account on the phone. It gets into that whole hearsay issue. I learned that you generally (its tricky) cant reveal something someone told you. So if a witness called 911 because her husband told her to because one guy just shot another guy outside, she cant say that. There may be precedent to phone conversation, but the girlfriend may only be limited to describing what she heard but not what was said. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Also the gated community thing might complicated things further. I believe it becomes a little fuzzy about what is/isn’t considered his homestead. That combined with the knowledge he likely picked up as a neighborhood watchman of who does/doesn’t live within the restricted community and their common visitors may give him more rights in approaching a visitor of the neighborhood. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;904168]If This was black on black crime would it be national news worthy? This is what bothers me about the situation, I'm not on any side of This case, I do think Martin had to have said something or done something to get shot but he probably shouldn't have been followed anyway.. but my point is if a black man shot and killed let's say a white or hespanic man I just don't see it big news like this.. hell young black males are murdered almost every day in new Orleans but this so happened to be a "racial " issue and here we go again. [B]2012 and our country still is ridiculous when it comes to race[/B].[/quote]

Totally agree. Idiots like Sharpton and Jackson swooping in and claiming things like "blacks are being hunted" before the facts even start to surface... Zimmerman and his wife mentored some black kids for free from what I read... really stinks of being a racist, huh?

Anyone else find it ironic that by playing the race card too quickly that it actually creates more racial division?

This whole case is a tragedy, but I don't think it's nearly as racially motivated as a lot of other poeple.

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[quote=mlmpetert;904241][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Also the [U][B]gated community[/B][/U] thing might complicated things further. I believe it becomes a little fuzzy about what is/isn’t considered his homestead. [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

This is a critical point, IMO. Why was the kid even in there if he wasn't a residence and what's the rate of occurrence for kids hopping the fence and causing issues?

This isn't the case we were presented with initially and further underlines why we need to do due diligence and leave the burning brands and pitchforks for later.

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[quote=GMScud;904253]Anyone else find it ironic that by playing the race card too quickly that it actually creates more racial division?[/quote]

I don't think it's ironic, I think it's a deliberate gambit TO create more leverage. Disgusting and cynical way to behave.

If anyone can look at someone and immediately know something by their appearance then I'd be interested to hear about it.*








*Not including people wearing Cowboy's logo, we all know about [I]those people[/I].....

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[quote=RedskinRat;904255]This is a critical point, IMO. [B]Why was the kid even in there if he wasn't a[/B] residence and what's the rate of occurrence for kids hopping the fence and causing issues?

This isn't the case we were presented with initially and further underlines why we need to do due diligence and leave the burning brands and pitchforks for later.[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Well he was a invited guest of a family relative resident. Also something else with regards to the race baiting, apparently this community isnt predominately white. A lot media personalities have described it as a "white gated community". I doubt you can get statistics but it was apparently a very multi-racial residence, perhaps with less whites than reflective in the overall community.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Also i had never heard the term "white Hispanic" prior to this. On government forms and stuff i had seen "non-white Hispanic", but never just white Hispanic. Why is that important to include in the description of the shooter? Interestingly there are black Hispanics as well. Juan Williams is considered so. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=mlmpetert;904260][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Well he was a invited guest of a family relative resident. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

That sounds like a really poorly thought through, knee-jerk explanation from a family resident given that he was on his way back from the 7-Eleven or wherever with Skittles and Iced tea. Regardless, I wouldn't just shoot someone for walking on my property so it's clear there was more to the whole situation.

I can imagine that it's something he's done a bunch of times before without incidence. I'm sure we've all cut through a property or business or something to save 5 minutes.

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[quote=RedskinRat;904263]That sounds like a really poorly thought through, knee-jerk explanation from a family resident given that he was on his way back from the 7-Eleven or wherever with Skittles and Iced tea. Regardless,[B] I wouldn't just shoot someone for walking on my property[/B] so it's clear there was more to the whole situation.

I can imagine that it's something he's done a bunch of times before without incidence. I'm sure we've all cut through a property or business or something to save 5 minutes.[/quote]

Its a bit off topic, but isn't there a state where you're allowed to do that?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;904279]Its a bit off topic, but isn't there a state where you're allowed to do that?[/quote]

I would hope not....

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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/mother-slain-florida-teenager-seeks-trademarks-005114047.html]Mother of slain Florida teenager seeks trademarks - Yahoo! News[/url]


Son dead? Pfftt...who cares. No time like the present to cash in on some opportunities. :goodjob:

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;904323][url=http://news.yahoo.com/mother-slain-florida-teenager-seeks-trademarks-005114047.html]Mother of slain Florida teenager seeks trademarks - Yahoo! News[/url]


Son dead? Pfftt...who cares. No time like the present to cash in on some opportunities. :goodjob:[/QUOTE]

Smh some people

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I want you all to take note at how powerful the media can influence people, and how incredibly irresponsible they are.


I would spit in Al Sharpton's face if he were here. This is the second time he's rushed to a "ARREST THEM!" before knowing the facts. Does he have access to any evidence? He working with the DA? No, he's using the race card to gather as much backing from people like he actually gives a shit, but in reality he doesn't. Prematurely inciting race to work up a frenzied crowd which ultimately leads to things like this.

[quote]The New Black Panther Group has put a bounty on George Zimmerman with a $10,000 reward for his capture, dead or alive. As disheartened and sad as Trayvon’s family is, they have made it clear they do not want this type of justice – an eye for an eye. They want true justice. They want Zimmerman arrested, they want a thorough investigation, they want justice for their son.

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Now how is it a person can put a bounty on another person's life? Isn't this basically the same as a contract killing? Why aren't the leaders of this organization being arrested?

This shit stinks to high heaven and it would behoove the local law enforcement to get as much evidence out there to calm this racial storm.

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When I forst started reading about this case I figured that Zimmerman was guilty as hell. The more I have read the more I'm thinking maybe he is not so guilty. I still think he used excessive force but I don't think it was jsut cold blooded murder.

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[quote=NC_Skins;904330]I want you all to take note at how powerful the media can influence people, and how incredibly irresponsible they are.


I would spit in Al Sharpton's face if he were here. This is the second time he's rushed to a "ARREST THEM!" before knowing the facts. Does he have access to any evidence? He working with the DA? No, he's using the race card to gather as much backing from people like he actually gives a shit, but in reality he doesn't. Prematurely inciting race to work up a frenzied crowd which ultimately leads to things like this.




Now how is it a person can put a bounty on another person's life? Isn't this basically the same as a contract killing? Why aren't the leaders of this organization being arrested?

This shit stinks to high heaven and it would behoove the local law enforcement to get as much evidence out there to calm this racial storm.[/quote]

NBPP gave a bounty for his capture, 'Alive, not dead' or 'legal citizens arrest'.

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[URL="http://www.cbpm.org/nbpp.html"]New Black Panther Party (NBPP) - CBPM[/URL]

Let's try to keep this sensible.

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Spike Lee decided to get involved and tweeted Zimmerman's address.

However, and fortunately for Zimmerman, the address sent out by Spike Lee and his conspirators at the New Black Panthers was incorrect. Sadly a women lives there by herself. I hope that poor women sues the shit out of Spike Lee.

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/mar/27/picket-spike-lee-re-tweets-incorrect-address-trayv/]PICKET: Spike Lee re-tweets incorrect address of Trayvon Martin shooter - Washington Times[/url]

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Ah, mob mentality......

I'm sure an immediate apology will be forthcoming from the parties involved.

/sarc

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[quote=RedskinRat;904344]Ah, mob mentality......

I'm sure an immediate apology will be forthcoming from the parties involved.

/sarc[/quote]

I think the Duke Lacrosse players are still waiting to hear theirs from Jesse and Al.

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[quote=NC_Skins;904323][URL="http://news.yahoo.com/mother-slain-florida-teenager-seeks-trademarks-005114047.html"]Mother of slain Florida teenager seeks trademarks - Yahoo! News[/URL]


Son dead? Pfftt...who cares. No time like the present to cash in on some opportunities. :goodjob:[/quote]
She had to know by doing this it would make her look bad, and yet she still went ahead with it regardless. Sheeee-it. I guess a son's death can't get in the way of a good business opportunity.

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[quote=NC_Skins;904352]I think the Duke Lacrosse players are still waiting to hear theirs from Jesse and Al.[/quote]

I'm sure some people consider it racist to even expect an apology.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;904309][IMG]http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/524820_400905516588259_100000064427452_1593466_1364941376_n.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/524820_400905516588259_100000064427452_1593466_1364941376_n.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

I read that the second pic of Trayvon shooting the bird or doing gang signs is a fake. Anyone know the truth.

Re: Trayvon Martin Case
 

[quote=firstdown;904338]When I forst started reading about this case I figured that Zimmerman was guilty as hell. The more I have read the more I'm thinking maybe he is not so guilty. I still think he used excessive force but I don't think it was jsut cold blooded murder.[/quote]

If he got charged with anything, at the MOST it would be 3rd degree murder. Most likely it would be manslaughter, 10 years at the max. I couldn't see him getting anything more than that, considering the entire case is shaky and full of circumstantial evidence. They may not even be able to convict him.

He'll have plenty more life to live and can move somewhere, change his name and continue "policing" neighborhoods.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;904395]If he got charged with anything, at the MOST it would be 3rd degree murder. Most likely it would be manslaughter, 10 years at the max. I couldn't see him getting anything more than that, considering the entire case is shaky and full of circumstantial evidence. They may not even be able to convict him.

He'll have plenty more life to live and can move somewhere, change his name and continue "policing" neighborhoods.[/quote]

Your post seems like you realize there is not much to charge him on but your pissed he might go free without any charges.

Re: Trayvon Martin Case
 

[quote=firstdown;904396]Your post seems like you realize there is not much to charge him on but your pissed he might go free without any charges.[/quote]

I am. I think he needs to be charged with something because something IS wrong with this case. I don't think it's as simple as "self defense" and it's turned into an OJ Simpson like media circus, where there's plenty of smearing to go around.

The problem is, is that so much is circumstantial and witness statements that this thing doesn't have a leg to stand on in court. Honestly, I don't think it'll ever make it there unless there is a major break through in evidence.

Re: Trayvon Martin Case
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;904399]I am. I think he needs to be charged with something because something IS wrong with this case. [/quote]

Then it's the rule that allowed him to shoot someone that's wrong and that should be changed.

Just for clarity, I am not taking into account Zimmerman's judgment, mkay?