Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

[quote=skinster;892321]Does your $20.964 million number include draft pick projections? Also what is this cap rollover of 13 million? I'm not too up to date on the new rules of the new cba, but I thought the only way to rollover money from year to year was when LTBE incentives were not met?

So assuming we get Carriker, Hightower, and Fletcher, we'll have roughly $11.5 million more to spend? Its sounds like we can sign 2 more starting players without re-structuring. I'm rooting for either Thomas or Carr to pair up with either Garcon or Colston (but if I know Shanny he'll go for the physical phenom in V-Jax if we get a WR).[/quote]
The cap rollover is new in this CBA. If a team has cap room left from the previous year, it can be rolled over to the next year - if a team sends in an official letter requesting it. I would assume the Redskins sent that letter.

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;892348]The cap rollover is new in this CBA. If a team has cap room left from the previous year, it can be rolled over to the next year - if a team sends in an official letter requesting it. I would assume the Redskins sent that letter.[/quote]

Dear NFL,

Please give us our dough from last year.

Sincerely,
Dan Snyder

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[quote=Ruhskins;892349]Dear NFL,

Please give us our dough from last year.

Sincerely,
Dan Snyder[/quote]
LOL

It really seems silly to make the team request it.

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;892348]The cap rollover is new in this CBA. If a team has cap room left from the previous year, it can be rolled over to the next year - if a team sends in an official letter requesting it. I would assume the Redskins sent that letter.[/quote]

I'd assume the rollover is not cumulative?

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[quote=skinster;892378]I'd assume the rollover is not cumulative?[/quote]I've heard conflicting things on that.

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[quote=skinster;892325]Terrell, giants CB[/quote]

That's the CB I would target, I don't care if he's coming back from injury. He can play and hit.

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

Just finished an update, should be up on the site in the next few days.

I'm using a salary cap of $120.375M and I've included all the recent signings and the $13.6M rollover credit.

I have us at $34.7M of cap room.

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Hey CC, if you had to create a contract for Manning, what would it be?

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;892879]Just finished an update, should be up on the site in the next few days.

I'm using a salary cap of $120.375M and I've included all the recent signings and the $13.6M rollover credit.

I have us at $34.7M of cap room.[/quote]Sounds about right.

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[quote=SmootSmack;892882]Hey CC, if you had to create a contract for Manning, what would it be?[/quote]

It's hard to construct a deal without knowing exactly what Manning wants, or what financial sacrifices he's willing to make to help build a winner.

But from the Skins perspective my view would be simple: I'm willing to pay this guy top dollar as long as he's on the field playing.

The simplest way is to just give him huge salaries every year. While he's playing he will earn big money. If he gets hurt or is no longer playing at a top level, we can release him with no repercussions. This would also leave open the option of a restructure, either to bring his pay in line with his play, or to free up cap room for a title run at some point.

The "incentive-laden-deal" doesn't really makes sense here. Salary is plenty of incentive to begin with since it's not guaranteed. Plus Peyton has earned enough respect that he doesn't have to play for incentives. You can throw him a bone for a super bowl or mvp but otherwise there's no point. If he's on the field playing it's safe to assume his competitiveness and professionalism would follow.

It comes down to how much he wants guaranteed. I'd take money from future years salaries and give it to him up front as a roster bonus so the whole thing would hit our cap in 2012. I'd prefer to take the hit now when we have cap room and still suck. Allen has been constructing most of his deals this way (ie Monty). Pushing a lot of bonus money to future years is a bad idea IMO.

So to summarize I'd pay him all salary, plus a big roster bonus in 2012. He might have a huge cap hit in 2012 ($25M) but it will lower his salaries in future years. And we can release him at anytime with no deadcap issues.

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck;892906]It's hard to construct a deal without knowing exactly what Manning wants, or what financial sacrifices he's willing to make to help build a winner.

But from the Skins perspective my view would be simple: I'm willing to pay this guy top dollar as long as he's on the field playing.

The simplest way is to just give him huge salaries every year. While he's playing he will earn big money. If he gets hurt or is no longer playing at a top level, we can release him with no repercussions. This would also leave open the option of a restructure, either to bring his pay in line with his play, or to free up cap room for a title run at some point.

The "incentive-laden-deal" doesn't really makes sense here. Salary is plenty of incentive to begin with since it's not guaranteed. Plus Peyton has earned enough respect that he doesn't have to play for incentives. You can throw him a bone for a super bowl or mvp but otherwise there's no point. If he's on the field playing it's safe to assume his competitiveness and professionalism would follow.

It comes down to how much he wants guaranteed. I'd take money from future years salaries and give it to him up front as a roster bonus so the whole thing would hit our cap in 2012. I'd prefer to take the hit now when we have cap room and still suck. Allen has been constructing most of his deals this way (ie Monty). Pushing a lot of bonus money to future years is a bad idea IMO.

[B]So to summarize I'd pay him all salary, plus a big roster bonus in 2012. He might have a huge cap hit in 2012 ($25M) but it will lower his salaries in future years. And we can release him at anytime with no deadcap issues.[/[/B]QUOTE]


Good stuff, makes great sense.

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updated 3/6

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Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

From [URL="https://twitter.com/#!/JayGlazer/status/178669634877263874"]Jay Glazer[/URL]...

Jay Glazer ‏ @JayGlazer
Hearing that when the league sets the salary cap on Monday it'll be right around $120.6 million

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

[quote=Ruhskins;895183]From [URL="https://twitter.com/#!/JayGlazer/status/178669634877263874"]Jay Glazer[/URL]...

Jay Glazer ‏ @JayGlazer
Hearing that when the league sets the salary cap on Monday it'll be right around $120.6 million[/quote]

Thanks... I'm currently using $120.375M on my sheets so we're not far off.

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

what would griffin's contract smell like? 4yr/$25M?

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

[quote=los panda;895266]what would griffin's contract smell like? 4yr/$25M?[/quote]Cam was 4/$22 last year, and Von Miller was 4/$21. I'd guess closer to Newton's.

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

i would have been too scared of this trade 2 years ago, but not today with rookie contracts that actually make sense

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[quote=GTripp0012;895267]Cam was 4/$22 last year, and Von Miller was 4/$21. I'd guess closer to Newton's.[/quote]

With inflation added. Whatever the cap when up by from last year to this year's $120.6, take that % increase and apply it to Newton's contract, with a slight adjustment downward given that Griffin is 2nd overall, not first.

I'll say 4/$23 M.

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

The cap went up (or is estimated to have gone up) by 0.2%.

The difference between Cam's contract and Miller's contract was larger than the relative inflation.

4/$23 is a pretty good estimate because while the rookie cap is rigid, it isn't so rigid that the agent for Griffin won't be able to use the size of the Redskins rookie cap and trade package to get a better deal than anyone in the draft got lat year.

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how would it be structured?

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[quote=los panda;895382]how would it be structured?[/quote]A high pct of it will be in a signing bonus, but the entire amount will be fully guaranteed, so that hardly matters.

The Redskins will also receive a club option for 2016 at the value of a transition (?) tag, but they have to make a decision to exercise that (which becomes guaranteed when exercised) before the start of the 2015 league year. To put that in perspective, that is where Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman are right now in there careers. Do we yet know who the best of that class is?

It would help everyone if Griffin is very good very fast, because it makes sense if you know he's going to be your QB for a long time to get an extension done prior to the relevant contract option because you're going to have to give him a boatload of guaranteed money anyway, so itd be best if you can sign him long term with that money rather than committing to give it to him and still having to sign him.

Basically, your commitment to Robert Griffin as a function of this trade is three years. But we already knew that because we don't have a first round pick in 2013 or 2014, so it's kinda difficult to replace him with a Matt Barkley or a Tyler Bray.

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[quote=GTripp0012;895384]To put that in perspective, that is where Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman are right now in their careers. Do we yet know who the best of that class is?[/quote]stafford

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[quote=los panda;895390]stafford[/quote]Before this year he would have been last.

I think Stafford and Freeman are at the same spot in their development (and they were the same prospect coming out essentially), but Stafford's team is loaded with talent and Freeman's is a big question mark.

This will blow your mind: Stafford and Freeman will both be the same age week 1 (24) as Ryan Tannehill and Kirk Cousins will. They're about half a year older in actuality, despite three years more experience as NFL starters.

Re: Redskins 2011 Salary Cap Status
 

[B]**UPDATED (March 11, 2012)** Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Info[/B]

[U]2012 Salary Cap Situation[/U]
1. Salary Cap Projection = [COLOR="Silver"]$124 million $120.375 million[/COLOR] $120.6 million <-- Small salary cap increase
2a. Number of players under contract for the Redskins = [COLOR="Silver"]47[/COLOR] 56
2b. Redskins Cap Number, March 2 2012 = [COLOR="Silver"]$86.3 million[/COLOR] $93.1 million
2c. Difference between adjusted 2012 cap number and projected cap = $27.5 million
2d. Redskins 2011 Salary Cap Rollover = $13 million
[B]3. Salary Cap space, February 2012 + cap rollover = $40.5 million[/B]

4. Potential player releases from $90 million cap number (plus 390k UDFA val):[INDENT]DeAngelo Hall, $6.2 million-390k = $5.8 million net gain
O.J. Atogwe, $2.3 million-390k = $1.9 million net gain
Jammal Brown, -$650k-390k = -$1.04 million [net loss]
John Beck, $1 million-390k = $0.6 million net gain
Mike Sellers, $925k-390k = $0.55 million net gain
Reed Doughty, $1.15 million-390k = $0.76 million net gain
Santana Moss, $484k-390k = $0.1 million net gain
Chris Cooley, $2.07 million-390k = $1.68 million net gain

Total = $12.24 million retrievable[/INDENT]
5. Space for potential releases PLUS existing cap space = [B]$55.84 million available[/B] (does not include June 1 release flexibility)

[COLOR="Silver"]6a. [I]Rule of 51 = 4 contracts at league min (390k) = $1.56 million[/I][/COLOR] <--the Redskins now have more than 51 players under contract
6b. Redskins Exclusive Rights Free Agents, less UDFA rookie minimum (375k per)[INDENT][B]Graham Gano, 2012 Cap Number = $0.54 million-390k = $0.15 million[/B]

Total as of January 17 = $150k[/INDENT]
6c. Redskins Restricted Free Agents, less UDFA rookie minimum (375k per)[INDENT][B]Kory Lichtensteiger, 2012 Cap Number = [COLOR="Silver"]$1.875 million-390k = $1.5 million (projected 2nd round tender)[/COLOR] $1.2 million-390k = $0.81 million (original round (4th) tender) CONFIRMED[/B]
[COLOR="Silver"]Byron Westbrook, 2012 Cap Number = $1.2 million-390k = $0.825 million (projected low tender) [/COLOR]<-- Rich Tandler reports Redskins will not offer RFA tender to Westbrook

Total as of March 11 = $0.81 million[/INDENT]
6d. Redskins Unrestricted Free Agents and PROJECTED CAP FIGURES, less UDFA rookie minimum (390k per):[INDENT]London Fletcher, 2011 Cap Number = $5.67 million-390k = $5.28 million
[B]Fred Davis, 2011 FRANCHISE TENDER = $5.446 million-390k = $5.056 million CONFIRMED[/B]
[B]Will Montgomery, 2012 Cap Number = $3.5 million-390k =$3.11 million CONFIRMED[/B]
Adam Carriker, 2011 Cap Number = $3.25 million-390k = $2.86 million
Tim Hightower, 2011 Cap Number = $1.5 million-390k = $1.11 million
[B]Darrion Scott, 2012 Cap Number = $650k-$390k =$260k[/B]

Rex Grossman
Rocky McIntosh
Kedric Golston
Donte Stallworth
David Anderson
Sean Locklear
Phillip Buchanon
Keyaron Fox
Byron Westbrook <-- added

[COLOR="Silver"]PROJECTED Total as of January 17 = $20.085 million[/COLOR] <--Removed Landry's projection
PROJECTED Total as of [COLOR="Silver"]March 2 = $18.911 million[/COLOR] March 11 = $18.636 million
[B]ACCUMULATED Total as of [COLOR="silver"]March 2 = $9.489 million[/COLOR] March 11 = $9.386 million [/B][/INDENT]
6f. [B]Accumulated re-signings = $9.386 million[/B]

7. Signed unrestricted free agents from other teams:
[Indent] [/Indent]
Total as of January 17: N/A

8. [B]Salary Cap space after projected re-signings, March 11, 2012 [/B]=[B]$21.9 million[/B]
Actual salary cap space as of March 11, 2012 (minus allowances for tenders including TE franchise tag): [SIZE="4"] $31.1 million[/SIZE]

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

The projection now adjusts for the $120.6 cap and confirms Davi's franchise tender. I also now believe I was double-counting the Monty contract. And finally, I upped the league min value from 375k to 390k, which changed practically nothing.

The result is [U]$34.2 million in cap room[/U] entering the unrestrictred free agent period, of which I am expecting 27% to go towards existing Redskins with expiring contracts.

I would expect Robert Griffin to account for about $5 million in 2012 cap dollars.

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

But the bottom line is: there is about $20 million cap dollars (setting aside what it will cost to get Griffin signed) to spend on improving the team, and the Redskins have the ability to raise that number by up to $15 million through cuts, extensions, and restructures.

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

we're in good position

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well, i assume beck and sellers are gone, and i might eat brown's contract too to free up the spot. If we can get a #1 CB, it's nice to know that we can pay for him by ditching hall.

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am i the only one who thinks hall is our best cb?

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[quote=los panda;895537]am i the only one who thinks hall is our best cb?[/quote]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO don't start that discussion again!!!!

That discussion is as annoying as...

[YT]2WNrx2jq184[/YT]

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i'm sorry, i just don't see a better one on our roster. but i don't get letting rogers go, what do i know?

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

it's OT, but while hall may be our best CB, he's still not very good in that role. (and i'd assume he's the #1 since they seem to give josh wilson the #2 WR assignments from what i could tell last year). the thing is, wilson is a fine #2 and less hot headed, and paying 3 CBs starter's money is wasteful.

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/11/team-by-team-cap-space-as-of-march-11/related/"]The actual number[/URL] is $31.1 million. So I'm going to adjust accordingly.

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[quote=GTripp0012;895713][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/11/team-by-team-cap-space-as-of-march-11/related/"]The actual number[/URL] is $31.1 million. So I'm going to adjust accordingly.[/quote]

The Bengals have almost 50 mil of cap space?!?! Holy sh*t!!

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[quote=Ruhskins;895716]The Bengals have almost 50 mil of cap space?!?! Holy sh*t!![/quote]

Bears got plenty of cap to go after Vjax too. :(

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we don't need one guy, it's ok if someone else snags vjax. we'll find what we need

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[quote=los panda;895727]we don't need one guy, it's ok if someone else snags vjax. we'll find what we need[/quote]

So true.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/uncapped-year-could-be-coming-back-to-haunt-some-teams/]Uncapped year could be coming back to haunt some teams | ProFootballTalk[/url]

I know I am going to sound biased in here, but the league could have easily avoided this by renewing the CBA earlier on. I think this is stupid for the league to do for any team.

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter
[I]NFL is taking away millions of dolllar of salary-cap space from Cowboys and Redskins for how they front-loaded deals during uncapped year.[/I]


great....

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

as i understood it, the whole purpose of the uncapped year was to allow teams to do just that.. this is ridiculous. any idea how bad the skins are going to be hit?

And i wonder how the NFLPA feels about this... all it does is create less money for teams to spend on players this year.