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I am confident there will be some QB activity on the Skins this off season. Not sure if Shan can get his dream QB depending on logistics in the draft.....BUT I expect them to be relentless in trying to make that happen in the draft and FA period. IF they cannot get their.....guy, they can get a better bridge solution than we currently have.
HOWEVER there are many holes still to be plugged and the rebuilding process is far from over. The first round pick may be better served on another scenario.....depending.
HTTR

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[quote=Hog1;864044]I am confident there will be some QB activity on the Skins this off season. Not sure if Shan can get his dream QB depending on logistics in the draft.....BUT I expect them to be relentless in trying to make that happen in the draft and FA period. IF they cannot get their.....guy, they can get a better bridge solution than we currently have.
HOWEVER there are many holes still to be plugged and the rebuilding process is far from over. The first round pick may be better served on another scenario.....depending.
HTTR[/quote]

The fact is that we do have alot of missing pieces and I'm sure we'll try like hell to get the QB MS wants, but like you said, the pick could be better served elsewhere w/ all of our needs. It's still going to be a process and we won't be there by the start of 2012 season. We should be better, but it is rebuilding and will take some time.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;864043]Yeah that sounds good, and makes you tingle inside. But the truthe of the matter is the Redskins have been medicore to bad for 20 years. Most of that is the lack of a franchise QB. Its sucks to go to the stadium and see the fans leave at halh time. As far as I am concerned the can tank every season until they get a franchise QB. All anyone has to do is look at the Colts. They go from 13 wins every year to none. They go from have low sacks on their QB, to horrible. All their recievers look worse than ours now. There defense sucks. One guy makes that much difference. Yeah, we need a QB, and you have to do what ever it takes to get one. If you draft one and he sucks you try again and again till you get one. I have been saying this same thing since I became a blogger here.[/quote]

The Colts didn't plan well. Their whole team was built on "how ever many points you score, we have Peyton Manning so we can score more"

I agree that a QB is extremely important, but the Colts are a poor argument in my opinion

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[quote=SmootSmack;864059]The Colts didn't plan well. Their whole team was built on "how ever many points you score, we have Peyton Manning so we can score more"

I agree that a QB is extremely important, but the Colts are a poor argument in my opinion[/quote]
They are the perfect arguement, because they are the extreme example. You said it. They could score as points as they wanted to, because of their QB. The Colts are the extreme example, because they have had probably the best QB ever, and a crappy team around him for years.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;864069]They are the perfect arguement, because they are the extreme example. You said it. They could score as points as they wanted to, because of their QB. The Colts are the extreme example, because they have had probably the best QB ever, and a crappy team around him for years.[/quote]

Wouldn't you think it would make more sense to build a solid team around a strong QB so that if Tom Brady goes down Matt Cassell can still lead the team to an 11-5 season or if Aaron Rodgers goes down Matt Flynn can still throw 3 TDs in a competitive game against the Patriots or if Phil Simms goes down, Jeff Hostetler can still guide the Giants to a Super Bowl title?

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The Colts are definitely a bad example. Their success revolved 100% around Manning. The D was built to play with a lead. It's insane that you can take away one player, great as he is, and the team is headed for 0-16? Heads are gonna roll for what went down there this year and rightfully so.

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[quote=SmootSmack;864059]The Colts didn't plan well. Their whole team was built on "how ever many points you score, we have Peyton Manning so we can score more"

I agree that a QB is extremely important, but the Colts are a poor argument in my opinion[/quote]

I get your point, but to say they didn't plan well is a bit harsh. How many 10+ win seasons did they get in a row till this year?

I'd say they did plan well; they built an O that was nearly unstoppable & they got playmakers on D suited to play w/a lead, e.g. Freeney & Mathis. When Bob Sanders was playing well that D was good. If you mean they didn't get a good backup qb, that's true, but it's also hard to keep 2 good qbs due to free agency & cap.

I wouldn't put this decline so much on Peyton, that team's stars are getting old. So if you mean recently they haven't drafted or developed much youth I guess that could be called poor planning. More likely just poor drafting.

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Fair points

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[quote=SmootSmack;864074]Wouldn't you think it would make more sense to build a solid team around a strong QB so that if Tom Brady goes down Matt Cassell can still lead the team to an 11-5 season or if Aaron Rodgers goes down Matt Flynn can still throw 3 TDs in a competitive game against the Patriots or if Phil Simms goes down, Jeff Hostetler can still guide the Giants to a Super Bowl title?[/quote]
Yeah of course, but you can be great and win a superbowl with a great QB. If Mat Flynn comes in for Aaron Rogers their season is done. He has more int's then touchdowns, and as good as the Patriots did without Brady, they still were not winning the superbowl and infact did not make the playoffs. I am not saying that you should not build a solid team. I am just saying you need a great QB, before you can do this. It is easy to draft 4-6 round Qb's till you find a decent one, when you dont need one.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;864043]Yeah that sounds good, and makes you tingle inside. But the truthe of the matter is the Redskins have been medicore to bad for 20 years. Most of that is the lack of a franchise QB. Its sucks to go to the stadium and see the fans leave at halh time. As far as I am concerned the can tank every season until they get a franchise QB. All anyone has to do is look at the Colts. They go from 13 wins every year to none. They go from have low sacks on their QB, to horrible. All their recievers look worse than ours now. There defense sucks. One guy makes that much difference. Yeah, we need a QB, and you have to do what ever it takes to get one. If you draft one and he sucks you try again and again till you get one. I have been saying this same thing since I became a blogger here.[/quote]

I agree 150%...

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[quote=NC_Skins;863939]Ok, so what if the team loses and gets that #2 pick and selects their "franchise QB"?

What happens if the players you were expecting to come out do not come out and you openly root the team to lose for nothing?


What happens in 5 years if said "franchise QB" ends up a bust? Do you continue hoping your team loses to get another chance at a "franchise QB"?


What happens after you get your "franchise QB"? Do you hope they lose so you can get a "franchise WR" the following year? You know, you'll have to be in the top 5 again to get a calibur guy like AJ Green or Calvin Johson.

[SIZE="3"][B][U]Fan's guide to building the Washington Redskins.[/U]

2011: Tank season for "Franchise QB" in 2012.
2012: Tank season for "Franchise WR" in 2013.
2013: Tank season for "Franchise MLB" in 2014.
2014: Tank season for "Franchise Safety" in 2015.
2015: Tank season for "Franchise DL" in 2016.[/B][/SIZE]

Yup, we are well on our way to being competitive with this formula!!!


To openly hope your team loses to better your shot at a chance on a player that you don't even know is going to be in the draft is beyond ludicrous. It's pathetic.[/quote]

1st of all, yes, if we draft a qb, and he ends up being a bust, I do hope we tank the next season for a qb (granted there is a qb to tank for that year). The odds of landing a qb are raised by 10 fold at the top of the draft compared to even the top 3 rounds. Ideally I'd like to get Ndamakung Suh in the first, lesean mccoy in the second, lance briggs in the third, shaun phillips in the 4th, Trent Cole in the 5th, tom brady in the sixth, and marques colston in the 7th, but that just aint gonna happen. Pick high, get a qb, pick low, you have a better shot if you buy a lottery ticket.

2nd of all. Ndamakung Suh, Calvin Johnson, Matthew Stafford. I think the lions aren't unhappy right now with their tanking.

3rd of all (this is the only thing I'm saying that actually matters). Its tank for a qb, not any other position, only the one that changes you from a pre-season superbowl contender to arguably the worst team of all time (colts with manning out). All other positions just need quality players. QB is the only position where being elite is a necessity and it cannot be covered up (unless you have 21 pro bowlers playing along side him). I don't want to leave anything up to chance with my qb. I want the best odds of getting the best player.

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[quote=Mattyk;864076]The Colts are definitely a bad example. Their success revolved 100% around Manning. The D was built to play with a lead. It's insane that you can take away one player, great as he is, and the team is headed for 0-16? Heads are gonna roll for what went down there this year and rightfully so.[/quote]

No defense is built to play with the lead. Defenses are built to prevent the other team from scoring.

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[quote=skinster;864121]1st of all, yes, if we draft a qb, and he ends up being a bust, I do hope we tank the next season for a qb (granted there is a qb to tank for that year). The odds of landing a qb are raised by 10 fold at the top of the draft compared to even the top 3 rounds. Ideally I'd like to get Ndamakung Suh in the first, lesean mccoy in the second, lance briggs in the third, shaun phillips in the 4th, Trent Cole in the 5th, tom brady in the sixth, and marques colston in the 7th, but that just aint gonna happen. Pick high, get a qb, pick low, you have a better shot if you buy a lottery ticket.

2nd of all. Ndamakung Suh, Calvin Johnson, Matthew Stafford. I think the lions aren't unhappy right now with their tanking.

3rd of all (this is the only thing I'm saying that actually matters). Its tank for a qb, not any other position, only the one that changes you from a pre-season superbowl contender to arguably the worst team of all time (colts with manning out). All other positions just need quality players. QB is the only position where being elite is a necessity and it cannot be covered up (unless you have 21 pro bowlers playing along side him). I don't want to leave anything up to chance with my qb. I want the best odds of getting the best player.[/quote]
After exhausting perusal of the Mods Only Outlandish Rumor Box, it has been......rumored you are about to be forcibly moved to the drunk thread....

[QUOTE=skinster;864122]No defense is built to play with the lead. Defenses are built to prevent the other team from scoring.[/QUOTE]

The colts built a defense lean on bulk and heavy on speed. Why? Because they expected other teams to be passing a lot. Why? Because the other teams knew the colts could score in a flash. I remember the miami-indy game where miami held the ball for 44+ minutes and still lost because indy/peyton scored every time they touched the ball. A defense with that type of offense needs to stop big plays. OF COURSE defenses are built in conjunction with what type of offense a team has, the colts simply were the extreme of that.

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[quote=freddyg12;864077]I get your point, but to say they didn't plan well is a bit harsh. How many 10+ win seasons did they get in a row till this year?

I'd say they did plan well; they built an O that was nearly unstoppable & they got playmakers on D suited to play w/a lead, e.g. Freeney & Mathis. When Bob Sanders was playing well that D was good. If you mean they didn't get a good backup qb, that's true, but it's also hard to keep 2 good qbs due to free agency & cap.

I wouldn't put this decline so much on Peyton, that team's stars are getting old. So if you mean recently they haven't drafted or developed much youth I guess that could be called poor planning. More likely just poor drafting.[/quote]

Still, in the last 30 years who many Peyton's have their been? The point, I believe, is that the "Colt Method" works only if you have a once in a generation type QB. It's the sort of team you can't really plan for b/c you don't know you have that type of QB until you actually [I]have[/I] him. Even with Manning, people predicted he would be a really good QB - but I think you would be hard pressed to say the consensus was that he was going to be a 10 year All-Pro.

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Wow, how bad is it that our two best offensive players have been suspended. Really bad. Does this mean that they are pot heads together. Could that mean that we dont sign Davis, because we want to seperate the pot heads? Well at least this means we probably dont win another game and get a QB.

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Its time to put Willie Smith in at LT and start John Beck. While were at it, lets put in Erik Cook.

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If the season were to end today (as if it hasn't already) considering the Redskins and Browns have the same record. Who picks first in the draft? Redskins or Browns? This is for the Barkley sweepstakes

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;865425]If the season were to end today (as if it hasn't already) considering the Redskins and Browns have the same record. Who picks first in the draft? Redskins or Browns? This is for the Barkley sweepstakes[/quote]

Us, based on the fact that we had the easier strength of schedule.
[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/35095/2011-strength-of-schedule]2011 Strength of Schedule - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;865425]If the season were to end today (as if it hasn't already) considering the Redskins and Browns have the same record. Who picks first in the draft? Redskins or Browns? This is for the Barkley sweepstakes[/quote]

I was just thinking about that...

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[quote=CultBrennan59;865430]Us, based on the fact that we had the easier strength of schedule.
[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/35095/2011-strength-of-schedule]2011 Strength of Schedule - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Sweet!! Now let's lose the rest of the games including the one against Minnesota.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;865439]Sweet!! Now let's lose the rest of the games including the one against Minnesota.[/quote]

With the way we treat rookies in their games against us, Minnesota is guaranteed to beat us.

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Honestly if I were the Colts I would see that they have way too many holes and seriously entertain offers for the 1st pick. Someone will throw the bank at them, even if it is only to move up 4-6 spots. However I don't see the Colts Gm/owner having the [B]stones[/B] to trade away the "sure thing franchise QB".