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[quote=Mattyk;841675]:doh:

I was on the Beck bandwagon all preseason[/quote]


Yes, but now we know you secretly think that Rex is the 2nd coming of Johnny Unitas. The secret is out Matty.[IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon10.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=firstdown;841685]U guys do remember that Rex is only in his 6th game as our starter and we had a short preseason.[/quote]


We had a short pre-season? I thought we played four games.[IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon12.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=fanarchist;841696]Wikipedia is really not most reliable source for information. [B]I saw an excerpt from Wikipedia that claimed Dan Snyder was gay for dinosaurs. It's funny, but highly doubtful in the fact catagory[/B].

For the most part, I think a number of decisions this coaching staff has made, personnel wise, this season have been great. Helu, Josh Wilson, Kerrigan, Bowens, Hank, OJ etc. all, in my opinion very good acquistions. But Fred Davis being virtually non-existent in the game last night, and essentially replacing his touches with what seems to be a smaller, slower, less menasing version of the Captain Chaos we are accustom to seeing, seems, atleast to me, like a very poor game planning decision. Especially when Fred Davis had been a dominant safety blanket in the first 2 games. Running stretch plays on most early 1st down scenarios. Redzone playcalling that discourages us from capitalizing on scoring opportunities, and turnovers. I realize that they're in the past, but the McNabb and Haynesworth debacles didn't really instill a solid foundation for trust. Larry Johnson, Joey Galloway. I'm not going to just accept these shaky decisions based on a lulling adherence to the Shanahan's past achievements. I will question.

Sorry if my initial statement was percieved as contentious, it wasn't my intent. I was looking for elaboration.

That's all.[/quote]


Crazier things have happened.

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[quote=GTripp0012;841821]He was on the field all but two snaps. Dallas just took him away in the passing game.[/quote]

Davis is not on the field for more than 2 snaps in the highlight reel alone. And the ones where he is on the field they leave him in to max protect. That's not the Cowboys taking him out of the game. That's us taking him out of the game.

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[quote=GreekSkin;841211]I really hate seeing threads like this 3 games into the season.[/quote]

Welcome to The Warpath.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;841725]Please, do tell me, any of you. Has any of our WRs or center done anything as ****ing stupid as Costa and the Dallas WRs did last night? Well, that's a damn good reason why Rex Grossman isn't screaming like a madman.

#2. I am ****ING sick and tired of "colloquial psychological theory" in which "leadership" is equivalent to just having more body language and screaming your ass off. When "leading" someone, you are trying to INFLUENCE their goddamn behavior. Going rah-rah-rah will not necessarily change anyone's behavior. There are a bunch of theories into leadership, but simply having more demonstrative body language and "screaming" ain't one of them.

And Beck can't lead? Who the **** was organizing those player workouts in the offseason. Yeah, Beck.

I might not care about religion, but all the forgiveness talk is bound to make non-members think sissyness is principle number 1.[/quote]

Beck was not even the named starter so why would he be organizing the team workouts? The correct person took the lead and got the players together.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;841829]The 4th down TD against Arizona comes to mind of him putting the team on his back in the clutch.[/quote]

How quickly we forget.

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[quote=fanarchist;841798]And my point was that there are clear incongruities in how individuals define what actually constitutes a "gunslinger". I don't care if you labeled him, or if it's the most searched topic on the web. In my definition,(you can reference previous posts if you care to refresh your memory)Rex Grossman is not a "gunslinger", plain and simple. He's simply a pathetic decision maker that suffers from tremorous bouts where he lacks any impulse control whatsoever.

And to everything else you wrote. It's like I'm always battling with an incarnation of the same person, spewing the same rhetoric, from the same sources, where virtually no independant thought is required. Everything is a reference from someone else, and it fast becomes boring and myopic. I could glean your perspective on these issues by funneling the mass consensus through the same narrow vortex. Your last post was a huge waist of time. If you want to know how I would respond to all the same points go to my post history. I'm done playing the redundancy game.[/quote]



:rant:

:hater:

:hitfan:

anyone ever wonder why the smilie of the guy in "shit hitting the fan" has his tongue out after the shit is all over his face?????That s fvckin sick!!!!!


Oh yeah, you should change the hater smilie to hatter. that is all.

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Worse thread of the year

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[quote=Mattyk;841359]I don't think leadership is our problem. We need sharper execution in the red zone.[/quote]

Agreed. I don't think this team lacks leadership on either side of the ball; this really is a different team from last year's version.

I think the players have great deal of respect for Rex Grossman, which he earned during the pre-season and the first three games. In fact, I think they like playing for Rex more than McNabb. Just my opinion, of course.

Like Matty said, we just need to execute better in the red zone and everything else will take care of itself.

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[quote=Bucket;842038]Worse thread of the year[/quote]

Oh ye of little faith!

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[quote=Bucket;842038]Worse thread of the year[/quote]

Isn't it a little too early for that in the year?

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[quote=Bucket;842038]Worse thread of the year[/quote]

Oh there will be worse.

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[quote=fanarchist;841893]Davis is not on the field for more than 2 snaps in the highlight reel alone. And the ones where he is on the field they leave him in to max protect. That's not the Cowboys taking him out of the game. That's us taking him out of the game.[/quote]Went back to the game, play by play. You're very right.

I think this needs an explanation then. Seems like a sub optimal use of personnel.

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[quote=GTripp0012;842331]Went back to the game, play by play. You're very right.

I think this needs an explanation then. Seems like a sub optimal use of personnel.[/quote]


Since you already spent the time doing it, just how many plays out of the total WAS Davis sitting? :)

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[quote=GTripp0012;842331]Went back to the game, play by play. You're very right.

I think this needs an explanation then. Seems like a [B]sub optimal use of personnel[/B].[/quote]

Absolutely! At both ends of the spectrum.

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[quote=Monkeydad;842223]Oh there will be worse.[/quote]



There has been worse.

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[quote=GTripp0012;842331]Went back to the game, play by play. You're very right.

I think this needs an explanation then. Seems like a sub optimal use of personnel.[/quote]

I appreciate the acknowledgement GTripp. Perhaps now we can move forward and explore the more pertinent question, which is, why would we purposefully nullify the production of one of our most reliable offensive playmakers in a game of such magnitude?

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[quote=fanarchist;842461]I appreciate the acknowledgement GTripp. Perhaps now we can move forward and explore the more pertinent question, which is, [B]why would we purposefully nullify the production of one of our most reliable offensive playmakers in a game of such magnitude?[/B][/quote]

I'm gonna take a stab at it and guess they kept him in to block because they assume the offensive line would need help blocking the Cowboys great pass rush?

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[quote=mooby;842466]I'm gonna take a stab at it and guess they kept him in to block because they assume the offensive line would need help blocking the Cowboys great pass rush?[/quote]

If you needed a pass blocker why not use Cooley, or Sellers, or Paulsen in a similar role. All of those guys are adept pass blockers, and wouldn't detract from our passing game.

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Perhaps, just perhaps, the coaches are not yet comfortable with Davis as a "reliable" weapon. We've heard how much he has grown and he has certainly made big plays. BUT, it may simply be a situation where the Shanny's want to make sure he doesn't backslide. I think it is clear with this coaching staff is that trust has to be earned. So perhaps as the season progresses, we see more and more of Davis as the coaches become convincced he can be relied upon through good and bad.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;842476]Perhaps, just perhaps, the coaches are not yet comfortable with Davis as a "reliable" weapon. We've heard how much he has grown and he has certainly made big plays. BUT, it may simply be a situation where the Shanny's want to make sure he doesn't backslide. I think it is clear with this coaching staff is that trust has to be earned. So perhaps as the season progresses, we see more and more of Davis as the coaches become convincced he can be relied upon through good and bad.[/quote]

I don't believe hamstringing a player with a hot hand, that being, 5 rec for 105 against the Giants, and 6 rec for 86 and a TD against the Cardinals, is going to promote better production. If anything it would cause a level of distrust from the players perspective, because he's not being utilized properly in the system. Forcing a backslide to prevent a backslide doesn't really make too much sense.