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[quote=BuckSkin;783984]Wow... After reading my own post, it's " Madden " all over. I just typed what everyone here already knows.[/quote]

Like your signature. "The whole art of existence consists of giving up your existence in order to exist" Ayn Rand...

Re: Shaun Rogers and Redskins Talking
 

[quote=SmootSmack;783971]I don't see what one has to do with the other.[/quote]Well, if you sign Shaun Rogers, the only chance you have of stumbling on the nose tackle of the future at any point of the 2011 season is if Rogers gets hurt, and was a wasteful money dump. Sometimes, all you do when you fill a hole is create a hole for the future.

With that said, I'm not naive enough to think that veteran performance that lives up to or exceeds the value of the contract wouldn't help this team. They just need more performers in general. And if one thing went right in Bruce Allen year one, it's that he did very, very well with contracts.

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[quote=GTripp0012;784004]Well, if you sign Shaun Rogers, the only chance you have of stumbling on the nose tackle of the future at any point of the 2011 season is if Rogers gets hurt, and was a wasteful money dump. Sometimes, all you do when you fill a hole is create a hole for the future.

With that said, I'm not naive enough to think that veteran performance that lives up to or exceeds the value of the contract wouldn't help this team. They just need more performers in general. And if one thing went right in Bruce Allen year one, it's that he did very, very well with contracts.[/quote]

Well put. Your latter point about Allen's contracts leads me to think that Rogers would compete against some young guys in camp, e.g. Bryant. I would think that he would not be a lock to make the team. If he's better than a younger guy, and the young guy shows no particular promise for the future, why not keep the vet for a year or 2?

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To me it makes no sense to sign older vets on a team that isn't good and needs to get younger. It has nothing to do with the money. He makes sense for a team like Houston or maybe even Dallas. I'd just sign free agents that don't get drafted and see who sticks.

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[quote=Mattyk;783832]When motivated the guy can dominate.[/quote]

Thats sounds like a AH argument. ;) Just sayn... I agree tho.

Re: Shaun Rogers and Redskins Talking
 

[quote=GTripp0012;784004]Well, if you sign Shaun Rogers, the only chance you have of stumbling on the nose tackle of the future at any point of the 2011 season is if Rogers gets hurt, and was a wasteful money dump. [B]Sometimes, all you do when you fill a hole is create a hole for the future[/B].

With that said, I'm not naive enough to think that veteran performance that lives up to or exceeds the value of the contract wouldn't help this team. They just need more performers in general. And if one thing went right in Bruce Allen year one, it's that he did very, very well with contracts.[/quote]

Like Kemo?

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[quote=Mattyk;783989]Give me Rogers over AH, especially since he will cost a fraction of AH. And at least Rogers won't pout about playing the nose.

Can't fill all our needs in the draft alone, like it or not we need to sign free agents.[/quote]

Actually, AH is pretty cheap at this point. I say we sign Rogers, make AH a full-time DE, and be happy.

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I have no problem with bringing in Rogers, although I am dubious about his future contributions.

But we should be bringing in Kenyon Coleman, [I]too[/I]. He is a more likely future contributor.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;784015]Actually, AH is pretty cheap at this point. I say we sign Rogers, make AH a full-time DE, and be happy.[/quote]And since Rogers shares Haynesworth's propensity for taking plays off, they can take turns playing hard when they're on the field together. No thanks.

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[quote=Mattyk;783832]When motivated the guy can dominate.[/quote]

Terms I have grown to despise being a Redskins fan.


"potential"
"upside"
"when(if) motivated"

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[quote=Lotus;784016]I have no problem with bringing in Rogers, although I am dubious about his future contributions.

But we should be bringing in Kenyon Coleman, [I]too[/I]. He is a more likely future contributor.[/quote]Would be a wise pickup.

He's pretty much just Vonnie Holliday, but yeah, Holliday was one of our better DLinemen last yaer.

Re: Shaun Rogers and Redskins Talking
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;784015]Actually, AH is pretty cheap at this point. I say we sign Rogers, make AH a full-time DE, and be happy.[/quote]

No, that makes too much sense.

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Rogers doesn't have a fine ROD.

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No! Too old and too broken.

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[quote=skinsfan69;784007]To me it makes no sense to sign older vets on a team that isn't good and needs to get younger. It has nothing to do with the money. He makes sense for a team like Houston or maybe even Dallas. I'd just sign free agents that don't get drafted and see who sticks.[/quote]

I'm not sure it's about just getting younger. I think it's more about getting better quality players in. Our OL and DL has been hogwash for years. Younger almost naturally means healthier but as we can see it didn't help out the WR's when the team drafted Kelly.

If the dude is healthy, and can share the duties say with Bryant for a year or two since AH most likely will be gone and Kemo didn't live up to his billing then I'd say get him. Then either next yr or the yr after the team can go after a NT when there might be one worth going after. I keep hearing how this yrs draft really doesn't have a bonified NT to be worth reaching for and basically they are not NT's and would have to be converted.

Re: Shaun Rogers and Redskins Talking
 

Sandtrap,

[QUOTE]And did the judge give him permission to leave the state of Ohio? There is a little matter of Rogers carrying a loaded handgun through security at Clevelands Int'l Airport.[/QUOTE]

I'm betting the judge incorporated that he could leave the state for work purposes and most likely installed the wording that he would have to notify his probation officer prior to leaving. As long as he does those things he's safe. If he gets a new job in a new state I'm sure he can transfer his probation to whereever he goes.

Re: Shaun Rogers and Redskins Talking
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;784015]Actually, AH is pretty cheap at this point. I say we sign Rogers, make AH a full-time DE, and be happy.[/quote]

BHA...I never thought I would hear you say anything remotely close to keeping AH around. :cool-smil

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Yes lets just sign Shaun Rogers to a contract, thats the missing piece we need to this team! That'll put us in the super bowl! (being completely sarcastic and a smart-ass btw)

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No one here is going to sit here and tell me Kemo is better than Shaun Rodgers. That being said, sign him. He will have a small contract that won't matter if he doesn't have anything left. To all the people saying he is old, washed up, this isn't helping us get younger, this isn't the way to rebuild a team.... We have too many holes to fill in one offseason. He won't be a long term solution, just a stop gap. Get the sand out of your vajayjays.

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Funny how you never hear stuff like this on the sports outlets...

[url=http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-news-cleveland-browns-shaun-rogers-helps-nab-dui,0,5215780.story]Browns Shaun Rogers Helps Police Nab DUI Driver - WJW[/url]

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[quote=Longtimefan;784047]BHA...I never thought I would hear you say anything remotely close to keeping AH around. :cool-smil[/quote]

LOL, well i still think he's a bum, but he's dirt cheap to keep around at this point and if we get rogers, we'll no longer even have a need to try and force him to do something he doesnt want to do. As far as i'm concerned, if AH doesnt come back at this point, i'll be because of shanahan's ego. No other team will offer us any amount of compensation that would make moving him worthwhile.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;784081]LOL, well i still think he's a bum, but he's dirt cheap to keep around at this point and if we get rogers, we'll no longer even have a need to try and force him to do something he doesnt want to do. As far as i'm concerned, if AH doesnt come back at this point, i'll be because of shanahan's ego. No other team will offer us any amount of compensation that would make moving him worthwhile.[/quote]

I agree...and I think the compensation issue is the only thing that's keeping him around.

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I just hope we save cap room to sign Herchel Walker......

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81e4343e/article/redskins-among-many-pursuing-rogers-dl-in-no-rush?module=HP_headlines]NFL.com news: Redskins among many pursuing Rogers; DL in no rush[/url]

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This would be the classic Snyder move. Throwing money at a problem whether there is an answer or not.
and
Why do pro athletes that weigh 350lbs need to carry guns? Who is ****ing with these people?

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[quote=Carnage;784100]This would be the classic Snyder move. Throwing money at a problem whether there is an answer or not.
and
Why do pro athletes that weigh 350lbs need to carry guns? Who is ****ing with these people?[/quote]

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3739198]Jacksonville Jaguars' Richard Collier on being shot: 'I remember everything' - ESPN[/url]

Re: Shaun Rogers and Redskins Talking
 

NO MORE!!!!! washed up vets that have no heart for the game!!!!!

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Smells like win now to me.....

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[quote=30gut;784105]Smells like win now to me.....[/quote]

Nah, I think what you are smelling is leftover from when we gave up a 2nd and 4th rounder for McNabb.

Re: Shaun Rogers and Redskins Talking
 

Guys let's take a a minute and think about things. A guy was CUT from his team and we're TALKING to him. Does anyone have any evidence of saying we want him for so many dollars, a certain role, etc...

Teams talk to players A LOT... starters, backups, etc

TALKING to someone is nothing

what a bunch of dramatics

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This is still the new regime. McNabb is a flop so far but, his contract allowed for the possibility of such a thing. Yes, the draft picks hurt but, if McNabb did it up, it would've been worth it. Old regime's Haynesworth doesn't want to play and Shanahan wasn't afraid to bench him too. I think we'll see an incentive laden contract that won't pay him a ton of money and he won't be around long either if that's the case. Relax, friends.

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Yeah, I really don't see the harm in signing the guy to a low risk, short term contract. It would be one thing if we were giving up draft picks for him, but if it's an incentive laden deal, no harm no foul.

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[quote=SBXVII;784044]I'm not sure it's about just getting younger. I think it's more about getting better quality players in. Our OL and DL has been hogwash for years. Younger almost naturally means healthier but as we can see it didn't help out the WR's when the team drafted Kelly.

If the dude is healthy, and can share the duties say with Bryant for a year or two since AH most likely will be gone and Kemo didn't live up to his billing then I'd say get him. Then either next yr or the yr after the team can go after a NT when there might be one worth going after. I keep hearing how this yrs draft really doesn't have a bonified NT to be worth reaching for and basically they are not NT's and would have to be converted.[/quote]

But the guy isn't any good. If he was Detroit, and Cleveland would've kept him around. To me this is just more band aid football when we need surgery.

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If you sign Rodgers then you can't sign it makes its harder and much less likely that we'll sign the younger NT/DE Paul Soliai.
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[quote=tryfuhl;784108]Guys let's take a a minute and think about things. A guy was CUT from his team and we're TALKING to him. Does anyone have any evidence of saying we want him for so many dollars, a certain role, etc...

Teams talk to players A LOT... starters, backups, etc

TALKING to someone is nothing

what a bunch of dramatics[/quote]

I think it's the history of this team that continues to fan the flames. People remember when it comes to big name free agents, the Redskins always lead the pack.

He's considered one of the top defensive tackles available. He was "cut" by the Cleveland Browns this week. Some fans have a difficult time believing teams cut their top players.

This post from a poster at Washington Post caught my eye: Responding to Redskin Insider: Shaun Rogers meets with Redskins, signing is not imminent.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 11, 2011 7:02 PM | Report abuse

If this team gives a 32 year-old NT with a history of injuries, questionable work ethic, and off-field issues a contract worth $5 million/yr and let their most productive WR (and damn near ONLY playmaker) walk away coming off a career season when the same price could keep him in burgundy and gold, then it's gonna be awfully hard to sell anyone the notion that the Redskins are in better hands now than they were before...[UNQUOTE/

Whether their intention is to sign him or not, it's the above mind-set that has been adopted when it comes to the Redskins and free agents.

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[quote=diehard;784111]This is still the new regime. McNabb is a flop so far but, his contract allowed for the possibility of such a thing. Yes, the draft picks hurt but, if McNabb did it up, it would've been worth it. Old regime's Haynesworth doesn't want to play and Shanahan wasn't afraid to bench him too. I think we'll see an incentive laden contract that won't pay him a ton of money and he won't be around long either if that's the case. Relax, friends.[/quote]



I guess that's why Rogers left town without a contract. Hopefully we are not in the "business as usual" mode of regimes past. Develop our own talent.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;784074]Yes lets just sign Shaun Rogers to a contract, thats the missing piece we need to this team! That'll put us in the super bowl! (being completely sarcastic and a smart-ass btw)[/quote]

One could say that about any of the positions mentioned on this site. I think the funniest one had to be the crowd talking about the RB position.

Your right there is no one position that is going to take us to the SB especially since we have so many gaping holes, but what if the team plans to trade or dump AH? They have to fill his spot and if the plan is to use and develope Bryant then they still need to replace AH with some one who can either back up Bryant or start if they are better.

I'm betting no matter who else is brought in or what position someone will not be satisfied and come up with a fabulous sarcastic remark about how said player is the ticket to the SB. I just wish people would realize the 10 years it took Cerrato to ruin this team will take more then 1 or 2 offseasons to fix.

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[quote=Carnage;784100]This would be the classic Snyder move. Throwing money at a problem whether there is an answer or not.
and
Why do pro athletes that weigh 350lbs need to carry guns? Who is ****ing with these people?[/quote]

So.... what's your answer? Clearly the team has some glaring holes all over the place and the team has only 6 or 7 picks most in the latter two rounds. You know rounds where the majority seem to think the players are camp fodder. So I you only have 3 or 4 decent round picks how would you plan on filling the other holes and get better back ups? Just wondering cause as far as I'm concerned Kemo did diddly, AH did diddly besides lay on the ground often. So if the team gets rid of AH, and Daniels that's two spits that need filled.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;783928]Ngata is a DE.[/quote]

Maybe in Texas he is considered a DE in Baltimore and by the Ravens he is a NT

[url=http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Player_Roster.aspx]Baltimore Ravens | People | Player Roster[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;784121]But the guy isn't any good. If he was Detroit, and Cleveland would've kept him around. To me this is just more band aid football when we need surgery.[/quote]

But you can't just look at it as this team needs "one surgery". It actually needs several surgeries and the doctor has to decide which ones can be held off for another day and which ones need immediate attention. It's like a client who can't afford all the surgeries at once. The doctor will pick the once that need fixed immediately and hope to resolve the rest at a later date.