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[quote=30gut;781142]I commented on that quote in my first reply:


I actually watched the NFLN networks broadcast of the Senior Bowl practices so I not only heard Mayock and the rest of the cast in that clip but I heard them talk about the prospects throughout the entire practice.

Also, Mayock like most credible draft experts won't change their evaluation of QBs based on Senior Bowl practices its part of the evaluation process not the whole evaluation process.
Actually the most important aspect of the Senior bowl for QBs is their interaction w/ their teammates and coaches and their interviews w/ team scouts and GMs.

Also, i thought we agreed to keep the convo cool don't get so worked up.
Did you see the explanation you asked for?
Your welcome.

HTTR!
Oh, and this is the clip i think you're looking for:
[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-senior-bowl/09000d5d81deb36a/Senior-Bowl-QBs-on-set]NFL Videos: Senior Bowl: QBs on set[/url][/quote]


30gut, do you fly jet planes? Because you zoomed over my points by suggesting that there is protocol at the Senior Bowl. So you are saying that whatever Mayock said in the past is molded into concrete. Sorry, but your boy is close to becoming a sucksville resident! Let's move on to your next gotta have QB on your list.

You are correct, I did use the wrong link. But again, this link says it all: [url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/01/24/senior-bowl-breaking-down-north-qbs/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Senior Bowl: Breaking down North QBs «[/url]

I hope you are not offended by me driving home my point: Locker has bust written all over him.

BTW, what do McNabb and Locker have in common? Right, they both throw the ball into the ground.

The link speaks for itself, there are accuracy issues. The guy throws balls into the ground. McNabb throws balls into the ground. Do we want McNabb? Why no! Because he throws balls into the ground.

30gut, I appreciate you standing your ground but your boy Locker has let you down. He was flying high in 2009, maybe he should have declared for the 2010 draft. Just saying bro.

And no, I didn't see or read your explanation explaining why Locker throws the ball into the ground. Could it be he is pressing too hard? Nah, he likes throwing inaccurate passes.

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[quote=juskins;781145]Sorry, but your boy is close to becoming a sucksville resident! Let's move on to your next gotta have QB on your list.

You are correct, I did use the wrong link. But again, this link says it all: [url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/01/24/senior-bowl-breaking-down-north-qbs/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Senior Bowl: Breaking down North QBs «[/url]

I hope you are not offended by me driving home my point: Locker has bust written all over him.

BTW, what do McNabb and Locker have in common? Right, they both throw the ball into the ground.
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No offense but you post like a child.
You provide many examples of how to post like a douche:
o make claims then when challenged post more claims with even less support
o Post the wrong link
o Whine about not receiving a respone to said wrong link, even though i responding to your wrong link the first time you posted it
o Don't have the courtesy to say thank you for posting the correct link for you
o Ask for clarification about a point which i provide then don't even bother to acknowledge it
o Create a long winded strawman argument involving McNabb yet don't even realize that if Locker is just like McNabb he's gonna have a good career

You did of good job disguising yourself as an intelligent poster but I see you couldn't keep up the fake.
I should have taken the first hint that you had no clue what you're talking about.
You're right Locker is just McNabb thanks for clearing that up for me.
Hail!
It amazes me how fans like you can develop such strong negative opinions about prospects by listening only to the opinions of the wrong draft "experts."
You've given me a great reminder of why I don't need to post in these forums anymore.

And for that i thank you.
Hail!

Don't bother responding to this post b/c i won't be responding to any of yours.

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Whoa, juskins burning bridges with another member, not a surprise. I've made mistakes etiquette-wise myself, but he takes it to another level with the triple-combo of not reading counterpoints well, fallacious reasoning ,and douchiness.

Re: Is locker going in the first or second?
 

[quote=30gut;781150]No offense but you post like a child.
You provide many examples of how to post like a douche:
o make claims then when challenged post more claims with even less support
o Post the wrong link
o Whine about not receiving a respone to said wrong link, even though i responding to your wrong link the first time you posted it
o Don't have the courtesy to say thank you for posting the correct link for you
o Ask for clarification about a point which i provide then don't even bother to acknowledge it
o Create a long winded strawman argument involving McNabb yet don't even realize that if Locker is just like McNabb he's gonna have a good career

You did of good job disguising yourself as an intelligent poster but I see you couldn't keep up the fake.
I should have taken the first hint that you had no clue what you're talking about.
You're right Locker is just McNabb thanks for clearing that up for me.
Hail!
It amazes me how fans like you can develop such strong negative opinions about prospects by listening only to the opinions of the wrong draft "experts."
You've given me a great reminder of why I don't need to post in these forums anymore.

And for that i thank you.
Hail!

Don't bother responding to this post b/c i won't be responding to any of yours.[/quote]



Talking about a desperate counter-point argument you are trying to mustard up for QB Locker in the 1st or 2nd round - you are going to whatever means it takes to drag me through the mud.

BTW 30gut, I have come across yet another critique of Locker by Russ Lande of The Sporting News tabloid and their web site. Here is Lande's summation of Locker: [url=http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/video/video764177470001]Videos - NFL - Sporting News[/url]

Listen, if I were the only one hoping that the Skins would forget the likes of Locker then I would just shut up and move on. I know you said you watched him longer than anyone else on these boards and have a favorable impression of his abilities. But, I am not the only one who is wondering whats with this guy. Can you set me straight - put me in my place, if you will. I don't want to rain on your parade, 30gut, but if this is the guy you think is ready for prime time then you alone know this guys game and can tell me, and maybe others, that all is good with him and Locker will come through for us.

I know you don't consider Russ Lande's opinion worth anything but Lande and others are saying the same basic thing: accuracy is missing in Locker's game.

So now you want to take your marbles and go home because you had your feelings hurt! Our cyber friendship should not end on a negative note, 30gut. This is what it is all about, airing out your true beliefs in someone you consider to be worthy of a 1st or 2nd round pick in this year's draft.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;781153]Whoa, juskins burning bridges with another member, not a surprise. I've made mistakes etiquette-wise myself, but he takes it to another level with the triple-combo of not reading counterpoints well, fallacious reasoning ,and douchiness.[/quote]


Happy Saturday to you, SirClintonPortis. Its good to have you aboard. I don't want to get into making a fool of myself by spewing negative name calling.

So again, enjoy your day here at The Warpath and make it a nice day for yourself. Stay positive my cyber friend.

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Did Russ Lande really say that Locker could slip into the third round?

That has to be the most moronic statement I have heard so far this year from all of the so called "draft experts."

How does that clown have a job? He is an imbecile.

All it takes is one coach to be convinced that he can solve Locker's pocket awareness and quick read ability and they will pull the trigger starting in the mid to late first round.

Or take a coach like Shanahan who loves getting his QB out of the pocket? No one should be surprised if we reach on him at #10.

Locker is so damn good with regards to accuracy when he gets out of the pocket it's flat out amazing that he struggles with accuracy in the pocket.

This is the type of problem an NFL coach sees as an incredible opportunity to mold a freakish talent with all the intangibles and upside you could ask for into a star.

Locker's upside is enormous. Period.

Yes he is high risk because accuracy issues in the pocket are a real problem, but he already has several elite level skill sets.

This type of player gets drafted early. Every time.

In any sports league for that matter.

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He needs to start showing some of that ability in the game... things not looking all that impressive to this point.

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After scouring through all 9 teams' forums ahead of us in the Draft... NO ONE is talking about Locker. That's not due to his less than spectacular performance in the Sr Bowl, just no interest. Arizona fans, who I didn't think were trade partners, really like McNabb and Palmer. It just looks like everyone wants pass rushers. One way to negate a QB league is to put them on their collective ass. Carolina fans like Mallet, and Bills fans like Newton.

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Let me clarify. Carolina doesn't want Mallet with the FIRST but with their second. They like some guy out of Texas A&M...... Von Miller. Sorry SkinzWin.

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I thought Locker looked pretty good in the senior bowl.Ponder looked sharp too.I would take locker over Newton any day.:woot:

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[quote=BuckSkin;781276]After scouring through all 9 teams' forums ahead of us in the Draft... NO ONE is talking about Locker. That's not due to his less than spectacular performance in the Sr Bowl, just no interest. Arizona fans, who I didn't think were trade partners, really like McNabb and Palmer. It just looks like everyone wants pass rushers. One way to negate a QB league is to put them on their collective ass. Carolina fans like Mallet, and Bills fans like Newton.[/quote]


Interesting about Bills fans having their eye on Newton. Never consider him going there. Seems like a good fit.

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[quote=skinsfan57;781279]I thought Locker looked pretty good in the senior bowl.Ponder looked sharp too.I would take locker over Newton any day.:woot:[/quote]


To each his own, I suppose but I hope the Redskins start with a defensive pick.

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The fans in Arizona like Kaepernik(sp?) and would like McNabb as a mentor for a couple of years. I can see their way of thinking when you consider an " over the hill QB" took them to the SB. Their 1st round savior QB never panned out.

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I do not like Locker as a prospect anymore. Right now it's looking to me that if we draft him it'll simply give us a younger version of McNabb. Only difference being he'll come with comparable straight line speed to that of Michael Vick.

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Cam Newton Stats: 188.2 QB Rating, 2589 yds, 28 TD, 6 INT, 65.2 cmp%. With a passer rating of just .6 behind the nation's best. I want a pass rushing freak, but won't be terribly upset with a pick of Cam.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;781285]I do not like Locker as a prospect anymore. Right now it's looking to me that if we draft him it'll simply give us a younger version of McNabb. Only difference being he'll come with comparable straight line speed to that of Michael Vick.[/quote]



I can't understand why most fans of Locker make excuses for his play. It seems as if there is a conspiracy out there that these fans subscribe to that says that the draft world wants to ban Locker from being selected in the first two rounds. Some call the Senior Bowl nothing but a scrimmage and not to be taken seriously. Others concede Lockers deficiencies but think that his bad habits are correctable by the right coach.

Let's take the pressure off of Locker's shoulders and let him become the project that he is. My hope is that the Redskins stay away from him. There are better accomplished draftable QBs out there if you really want one.

Other QBs with Michael Vick attributes are Cam Newton and Colin Kaepernick.

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Remember though Newton had one good season only. My question is will it last. Locker has also been ify in my mind this year not sure. Ponder to me would be awesome because of his experience. Even an Andy Dalton. These guys rock cause its not the fricken first pick we have to get them. I also hope Mcnaab and Haynesworth get traded for picks. Portis is an ify trade in my mind cause he is so good at pass protection. But picks would be nice.....

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[quote=BuckSkin;781282]The fans in Arizona like Kaepernik(sp?) and would like McNabb as a mentor for a couple of years. I can see their way of thinking when you consider an " over the hill QB" took them to the SB. Their 1st round savior QB never panned out.[/quote]

Heck theres a good amount of fans in Arizona that think they can "develop" John Skelton. I've seen some that believe that McNabb would be a good mentor for Skelton and others who want Skelton to become the starter. Most importantly though I keep on seeing post and articles that say the Cardinals have minimal interest in McNabb. In terms of accuracy though Skelton makes McNabb look like Drew Brees.

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If Locker falls to the second we should definately take him. Keep McNabb and let him become Kyle's project.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;783048]If Locker falls to the second we should definately take him. Keep McNabb and let him become Kyle's project.[/quote]

Here Donny this child isn't yours but please be a good sport and raise him as your own. Teach him the ways of the dirt ball.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;783048]If Locker falls to the second we should definately take him. Keep McNabb and let him become Kyle's project.[/quote]

Apparently no one can agree on any one QB, and.... everyone thinks the other QB's are not 1st round talent. So basically none are good enough for the 1st round and should any be around in the 2nd or beyond we should snap them up cause that's where we get our weight in gold out of them. Our problem is there are 9 teams in front of us picking in the 1st round and about half could use a QB if not all based on age of the current QB's on their respective teams (ie; Dallas).

I just wonder if when the first team picks a QB if the other teams will panick and start drafting QB's also. I'm guessing if a HC has their sights set on any one QB and he gets taken prior to their pick teams might look elsewhere with their pick, but I can see most teams having a few QB's on their list... a #1 if available, a #2 as a consolation prize, and a #3 for those who drastically need a QB.

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^ On a side note....

If any of the QB's fall to us in the 5th round should we take him? JKing.

For those who believe Locker is 1st round talent then I think it's obvious he should be picked if he falls to the second round. No different then any other position with a top tier player still on the board at their position.

Unfortunatly after seeing Locker's senior year and his horrid Senior Bowl there are many who believe that the projected 3-4th rounders played better so either they should be bumped up to 1st rounders and Locker 2nd or Locker shouldn't be picked until after the 3-4th round. Just my opinion which I'm sure amounts to a hill of beans.... if that.

The Senior Bowl might have been just a practice for some, I've always had the mind set that you want to leave a lasting impression. No different then the NFL... McNabb started out well and everyone fell on board with us trading for him and got excited about the possibilities.... then the second half of the season came along and what impression was left of Mcnabb?

Just looking at who did well and who didn't in the Senior Bowl. Prior to the Senior Bowl everyone was talking about Locker, then he came out laying an egg and between fans and media he's no longer on the pedistal he once was on. Ponder and Dalton came out and Killed the Senior Bowl and it actually helped their image. If they were 3rd or 4th round prospects I think they have either boosted their image to either late 1st round or 2nd round picks. Again maybe it's just me.

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[quote=SBXVII;783116] Apparently no one can agree on any one QB, and.... everyone thinks the other QB's are not 1st round talent.[/quote]
Not everyone:
[quote=30gut;780837]I like most of this years crop of QBs.
I like QBs in general: Newton, Locker and Gabbert, Stanzi, Kaepernick, Dalton, Tyrod, Jerrod Johnson.
I think that Locker is the best in the group though.[/quote]

I agree w/ Mayock that there are 4 1st round talent QBs.

[quote=SBXVII;783116]I just wonder if when the first team picks a QB if the other teams will panick and start drafting QB's also. I'm guessing if a HC has their sights set on any one QB and he gets taken prior to their pick teams might look elsewhere with their pick, but I can see most teams having a few QB's on their list... a #1 if available, a #2 as a consolation prize, and a #3 for those who drastically need a QB.[/quote]
I think all the teams rank the QBs they like and consider draftable at a certain range in the draft.
I don't think team operate like fan's and become married to one prospect unless they pick top 5 and know they'll have 1st choice.
I think the interview process at the combine, the personal visits and private workouts will go a long way to ultimately decided the draft order.
Nothing that happens would surprise me though I could see 1 or 2 QBs being taken in the 1st round or maybe all 4 QBs get taken in 1st round.
You never know.

BTW-I think you're vastly over representing the QBs performances good and bad and over valuing the importance of the SB in general.