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[quote=mooby;749433]I'm pretty glad you're going to bed, because your worthless attitude is bringing me down. You are the biggest pisser and moaner I've ever had the displeasure of talking to on a message board, and the fact that you can't even debate without losing your temper tells me all I need to know about you. It's a shame I'm a fan of the same team as you, because I'm embarressed to have people like you representing my favorite team.

Riddle me this asshole: If Albert Haynesworth would've made all the difference against the Colts, why did he let Sam Bradford look like Peyton Manning against us? Was it Shanny holding him back? Let me know because once you give me your answer I'll be sure to give you the distinguished honor of being the first Redskins fan I've ever talked to on this message board to be added to my ignore list.[/quote]

Ditto

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[quote=mooby;749433]I'm pretty glad you're going to bed, because your worthless attitude is bringing me down. You are the biggest pisser and moaner I've ever had the displeasure of talking to on a message board, and the fact that you can't even debate without losing your temper tells me all I need to know about you. It's a shame I'm a fan of the same team as you, because I'm embarressed to have people like you representing my favorite team.

Riddle me this asshole: If Albert Haynesworth would've made all the difference against the Colts, why did he let Sam Bradford look like Peyton Manning against us? Was it Shanny holding him back? Let me know because once you give me your answer I'll be sure to give you the distinguished honor of being the first Redskins fan I've ever talked to on this message board to be added to my ignore list.[/quote]

I cant stop laughing at the "Riddle me this asshole" remark

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;749374]I like Shanahan. Zorn is a ****ing moron. But this handling has been a debacle from day one. I am fine with setting an example until it hurts the team

Plain and simple, sitting Haynesworth hurt the team this week. Don't believe me? Doc Walker and Brian Mitchell agree.

THIS ****IN TEAM IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR AGENDAS...[/quote]

Well we all know you're AH's son. lol. I understand your point but I really don't think AH would've been a factor. With the pace that Indy plays with he could've got stuck out there for 7-8 plays in a row. Not good if he's been away for a week.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;749398]If you are fine with a loss when our most talented player ...[/quote]

....more talent then Orakpo, Fletcher ...McNabb?

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;749422]You think the team is mad at Al for going to his brother's funeral?

I really have seen some ignorance in this thread tonight. Either way Peyton Manning ****ed us in the a$$ tonight. This whole cumbaya horseshit is nice but I would rather lose with our best player on the field.[/quote]


Ignorance is when you use language like this,calm down .
1)AH is not your best player on D.... Fletcher,Landry,Orakpo...all are playing lights out!
2) Payton Manning happens to be ..."the best QB in the league" and your team went ..toe to toe.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;749413]I am going to bed. I will leave with this. IF YOU THINK THIS TEAM IS BETTER WITH AH ON THE BENCH, YOU and I mean YOU, KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL.

Don't agree with me? Ask Brian Mitchell and Doc Walker (both have Super Bowl rings).

SMARTEN THE **** UP.[/quote]

Doc Walker has one Super Bowl ring, Brian Mitchell has one Super Bowl ring. You know who has two? Mike Shanahan.

So, to use your tired catchphrase, SMARTEN THE **** UP

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I guess Shanahan was holding true to his statement. "If you don't practice, you don't play". The guys that did practice and did play are more of a concern to me. Haynesworth definitely should have played, there's no sensible reason why he shouldn't have.

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IMO AH would have been a liability last night, did you see how fast the Colts were calling plays and getting out of the huddle. AH would have been gassed and he would not have been able to sub him becasue of how quick the Colts were going.

IMO this game was lost by the offense, the defense played very well considering who they were up against.

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They kept AH out last night because he is going to be traded before the deadline.

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[quote=mredskins;749452]IMO AH would have been a liability last night, did you see how fast the Colts were calling plays and getting out of the huddle. [B]AH would have been gassed and he would not have been able to sub him [/B]because of how quick the Colts were going.

IMO this game was lost by the offense, the defense played very well considering who they were up against.[/quote]

This is the point with AH. He can dominate, and when he goes hard he is a bull, but then he needs a play to catch his breath. Ok in a normal rotation scheme, but Man the Colts were moving down the field like they had the whole game scripted and embedded in the offensive players brains. It was crazy.

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Lorenzo said he was exhausted and wanted to come out to catch his breath but the Colts wouldn't allow it

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IMO the guys that did practice and play were a liability. That performance by a DL was absolutely unacceptable.

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Only two things make sense here. They didn't want him to get injured right before the trade deadline, and second, he would have been sucking wind after 3 snaps and rendered totally useless against that hurry up offense.

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[quote=Mattyk;749475]Only two things make sense here. They didn't want him to get injured right before the trade deadline, and second, he would have been sucking wind after 3 snaps and rendered totally useless against that hurry up offense.[/quote]

Do you really think they intend to trade Haynesworth before the deadline? Contrary to some believers, there's no way he could have done any worse than what I saw out there at times last night. I'm convinced, even absent the total gameplan, he could have contributed on at least 20-30 plays.

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[quote=Longtimefan;749484]Do you really think they really intend to trade Haynesworth before the deadline? Contrary to some believers, there's no way he could have done any worse than what I saw out there at times last night. I'm convinced, even absent the total gameplan, he could have contributed on at least 20-30 plays.[/quote]

I do think they are holding out hope for something to go down at the last minute, sure. Why does that not make sense?

Heck, AH himself thinks it could still happen.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/17/despite-deactivation-haynesworth-thinks-hes-ready-to-play-tonight/]Despite deactivation, Haynesworth thinks he's ready to play tonight | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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No way, Shanahan made a decision about playing Haynesworth and I don't think his effectiveness should come into discussion. Haynesworth said he couldn't play and that's that.

Now, I do question younger Shanahan's play calling all night though

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[quote=Mattyk;749486]I do think they are holding out hope for something to go down at the last minute, sure. Why does that not make sense?

Heck, AH himself thinks it could still happen.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/17/despite-deactivation-haynesworth-thinks-hes-ready-to-play-tonight/]Despite deactivation, Haynesworth thinks he's ready to play tonight | ProFootballTalk.com[/url][/quote]

It does make sense providing they find a trading partner willing to surrender equal value. Equal value seems to be the stumbling block in trade talks involving Haynesworth.

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abso - freaking - lutely. Albert should have played. He was NOT practicing due to a freaking death of his brother. I could not believe when he decided to not play him. Shanahan has to drop this ego and decide on what is best for the team, not his macheesmo. He had a great game against philly, pushed the pocket back several times. Our front line couldn't do shit against Indy, we needed him in there. No way Saturday could have handled him, and if they doubled, then that opens it up for someone else. Holliday was basically a blocking dummy out there all night.

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I'd still like to know why he wasn't on the sidelines with the rest of the team. What's he doing up in a suite?

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Does anyone really think AH could have lasted very long at that breakneck pace the Colts were going at?? That hurry up offense would have taken him out of the game in no time.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;749454]This is the point with AH. He can dominate, and when he goes hard he is a bull, but then he needs a play to catch his breath. Ok in a normal rotation scheme, [B]but Man the Colts were moving down the field like they had the whole game scripted and embedded in the offensive players brains. It was crazy[/B].[/quote]


It is not crazy the core of that team has been together for many years they are ALL on the same page.

We lost this game by not converting all of the T/O and the at times misguided offense.

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[quote=mredskins;749516]It is not crazy the core of that team has been together for many years they are ALL on the same page.

We lost this game by not converting all of the T/O and the at times misguided offense.[/quote]

This.

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[quote=SmootSmack;749349]Shanahan said he wasn't active because he missed too much time and missed the installation if the game plan[/quote]

Interesting. I call Bullshit on Shanahan. AH is a defensive lineman, not a WR or QB. Hasslett did not re-invent the wheel in this weeks defensive game plan. We ran the same old bullshit we have been seeing all year and we continue to get gashed for 5 yards a run right up the middle. Learning a game plan for a defensive lineman can be done in a few hours. There are only so many gaps that you can be responsible for and Haynesworth is not a rookie.

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[quote=Defensewins;749530]Interesting. I call Bullshit on Shanahan. AH is a defensive lineman, not a WR or QB. Hasslett did not re-invent the wheel in this weeks defensive game plan. We ran the same old bullshit we have been seeing all year and we continue to get gashed for 5 yards a run right up the middle. Learning a game plan for a defensive lineman can be done in a few hours. There are only so many gaps that you can be responsible for and Haynesworth is not a rookie.[/quote]

Except that Haynesworth has said at least a couple of times that he hasn't quite grasped the defense. He hasn't really shown himself to be a guy who can take time off and come back as if nothing has happened.

If it were me, someone else would have been inactive, and Haynesworth wouldn't have started but would have been in uniform ready to go

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[quote=SmootSmack;749535]Except that Haynesworth has said at least a couple of times that he hasn't quite grasped the defense. He hasn't really shown himself to be a guy who can take time off and come back as if nothing has happened.

[B]If it were me, someone else would have been inactive, and Haynesworth wouldn't have started but would have been in uniform ready to go[/B][/quote]

Amen.
Just looked it up....[B][U]we gave up 171 yards rushing on 28 carries for an average of 6.1 yards a carry. [/U][/B] To one of the worst rushing teams in the league. How long is going to take Hasslett to figure it out?
We needed Haynesworth in this game.
You know I did see something for the first time since Shanny got here....in the 4 quater, right after the last long run up the heart of our defense, Shanny looked disgusted, turned and gave the stink eye to Hasslett.
Did you see Hasslett during the game...he was wigging out. He looked nervous and scared. Not what I want to see from the leader of our defense. I do not care who we are playing...Manning, Montana, Dan Maino...

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[quote=Defensewins;749541]Amen.
Just looked it up....[B][U]we gave up 171 yards rushing on 28 carries for an average of 6.1 yards a carry. [/U][/B] To one of the worst rushing teams in the league. How long is going to take Hasslett to figure it out?
We needed Haynesworth in this game.[/quote]

Thank you!! That's been going on all season long, that didn't happen during the 4-3 D.

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Trouble is we've given up big yards [I]with[/I] AH in there too.

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[quote=Mattyk;749545]Trouble is we've given up big yards [I]with[/I] AH in there too.[/quote]

You mean for the 5 or 6 plays a game he is in?
AH is not in the game enough to make a difference. It would be diffrent if he were in just over half the snaps and he did not make a difference, but he is in maybe 1/4 of the snaps?

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I think the bigger loss this week was not having Rocky in there as opposed to AH. I think both would have helped the run D. Giving up the passing yards didnt bother me, but Haslett approach to the running game was freakin piss poor. No excuse for giving a banged up, ok-not-great RB in Addai all those yards. Im just sick of our D Line in general...Kemo and Gholston are depth not starters in this league.

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[quote=Chico23231;749548]I think the bigger loss this week was not having Rocky in there as opposed to AH. I think both would have helped the run D. Giving up the passing yards didnt bother me, but Haslett approach to the running game was freakin piss poor. No excuse for giving a banged up, ok-not-great RB in Addai all those yards. [B]Im just sick of our D Line in general...Kemo and Gholston are depth not starters in this league.[/B][/quote]

I was just about to say the same thing. Kemo, Gholston, V. Holiday and Jarmon should not be getting more snaps than AH. That is just piss poor coaching and player personnel management. That falls on Hasslett and Shanny.

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[quote=Defensewins;749547]You mean for the 5 or 6 plays a game he is in?
AH is not in the game enough to make a difference. It would be diffrent if he were in just over half the snaps and he did not make a difference, but he is in maybe 1/4 of the snaps?[/quote]

He's played for more than just 5-6 snaps a game, c'mon now.

He was in there a lot against Philly, and they still ran effectively.

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[quote=Mattyk;749551]He's played for more than just 5-6 snaps a game, c'mon now.

He was in there a lot against Philly, and they still ran effectively.[/quote]

I was kidding guy...c'mon. Just trying to make a point.
Is he in over half the snaps? No. Our best DL is on the bench and while we are one of the weakest teams against the run.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;749395]Nothing personal but that is pure speculation. The bottom line is that we have no idea what would have happened because our coaches decided to sit our most talented player.

Either way, our defensive gameplan didn't work and NO ONE can dispute that.[/quote]

Just started reading this thread, and couldn't take it any more at this point. I don't know what you're on Pocket, I hope it's just too much caffeine.

You've seen AH in action this year. At the speed of Indy's offense, he would have been stepping on his tongue after about two plays, and sucking oxygen on the sidelines the rest of the way. No way would he have made a difference in this game...

And the defensive game plan worked well enough to give the Skins a chance to tie or win at the end of the game against last season's Super Bowl team. Tough to ask more than that in this game.

You continually say that "you like Shanahan" while your diatribe says the opposite. About time to get real.

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yeah, we hang close to indy in a game we had no business being in, sit at 3-3 and people are bitching cuz we lost to the colts in OT.

im just happy weve had real exciting action packed games this year. i guess if i was thinking superbowl, this year we have a chance nonsense id be panty bunched too

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Haynesworth doesn't make or break this game. It's amusing to throw out there DPOY and best talented player on the team, when the guy's had 1.5 great seasons (26 starts over 2 years from 07-08) and hasn't been worth the Charmin he wipes his butt with since coming to DC.

It is what it is. Would he have made a difference? Probably not, considering how fast paced the Colts offense is. He would have been sucking wind and taking plays off in order to catch up. We'll never know.

What did make a difference was the amount of missed opportunities and mistakes both sides of the ball had. Dropped INTs, missed assignments, lack of pressure, abandoning the run, ill-advised throws. These are things that this team needs to work on. Not whether one player plays or not.

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We went to OT? Damn did I go to bed too early??

Back on AH, the thought of him sucking major wind without being able to sub out would have been kinda funny actually. Something tells me he would have just did his typical stop, drop, and roll routine to get out of the game.

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Remember the switch to 3-4 was in part driven by a desire to get turnovers. When 4 INT's fall to the ground, the scheme is working, the stickum isn't! Stop those four drives, and maybe AH makes a difference on the others, but not enough to sacrifice the principle of Divas need not apply.

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[quote=Mattyk;749562]We went to OT? Damn did I go to bed too early??[/quote]
I wish...I would have had one more Sam Adams Oktoberfest draft at BWW had it gone to OT ;) $4.50 for 22 oz drafts was a nice bonus.

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[quote=Mattyk;749562]We went to OT? Damn did I go to bed too early??

Back on AH, the thought of him sucking major wind without being able to sub out would have been kinda funny actually. Something tells me he would have just did his typical stop, drop, and roll routine to get out of the game.[/quote]


.........you know pocketts is going to coma after you for this!

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[quote=Defensewins;749550]I was just about to say the same thing. Kemo, Gholston, V. Holiday and Jarmon should not be getting more snaps than AH. That is just piss poor coaching and player personnel management. That falls on Hasslett and Shanny.[/quote]

Jarmon was on roller skates all night long. Never thought I'd say it but this defense really needs AH in there.