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And I have to say that Pocket actually cares more about being objective than Scud. My $.02.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;732831]And I have to say that Pocket actually cares more about being objective than Scud. My $.02.[/quote]

?? More objective in general or just about Haynesworth? I feel like I'm pretty realistic and objective when it comes to this team.

Not sure how apologizing for a distracting team cancer every chance you get is objective, but sure. You're entitled to your opinion.

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^ I'm sure Kyle will give Haslett some good tips...it's our only chance. Houston looks scary.

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[quote=GMScud;732834]?? More objective in general or just about Haynesworth? I feel like I'm pretty realistic and objective when it comes to this team.

Not sure how apologizing for a distracting team cancer every chance you get is objective, but sure. You're entitled to your opinion.[/quote]


Scud, I firmly believe that the fans are distracted. Do you think the team really cares that much? I would think if he was a distraction to his teammates, he would have gone long ago.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;732831]And I have to say that Pocket actually cares more about being objective than Scud. My $.02.[/quote]


Thanks SCP. I know I say a lot of stupid stuff sometimes but when it comes to seriously discussing the team, I try to look at it from what is best for them. That is why I defended Landry at nauseum in the offseason for example.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;732846]Scud, I firmly believe that the fans are distracted. Do you think the team really cares that much? I would think if he was a distraction to his teammates, he would have gone long ago.[/quote]

Of course the fans are WAY more distracted than the team. It's just frustrating when a player of his caliber won't buy into a proven successful system.

The players can dumb it down as much as they want, but Haynesworth's antics are obviously more distracting than if he was just playing and playing hard.

That crybaby look on his face when he was pouting by himself on the sidelines was just pathetic.

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[quote=GMScud;732853]Of course the fans are WAY more distracted than the team. It's just frustrating when a player of his caliber won't buy into a proven successful system.

The players can dumb it down as much as they want, but Haynesworth's antics are obviously more distracting than if he was just playing and playing hard.

That crybaby look on his face when he was pouting by himself on the sidelines was just pathetic.[/quote]

Was he really pouting though? I remember games last year when he gets in a type of "angry zone" when he plays. When he was pacing by himself, I saw it more as he is pumping himself up more than trying to send a message to the coaches. They played him after that, so I don't think he was causing problems. I wasn't on the sidelines so I don't know for sure.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;732783]With a little over 8:00 in the second, the center and guard moved him out of the play laterally on a big run. Commanding a double team is not getting "tossed around".

I saw Haynesworth jack up their guy with a little over 4:00 in the 3rd.

With 2:00 in the 3rd Gurode got the better of him initially, then he held Albert and didn't get called when Al recovered (per Collinsworth).

So now that is twice that I have watched the game and still have no idea what you are talking about.

I did watch Kemo get pushed back consistently on single teams and was like a rag doll on double teams. He is big and slow and gets zero push into the backfield. If all you Albert haters get your wish, get used to seeing our linebackers having to avoid 96 getting pushed over them.[/quote]

At this point AH is just another body in there. No more no less. He's really not a difference maker. He doesn't dominate and the defense can get the job down w/out him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;732884]At this point AH is just another body in there. No more no less. He's really not a difference maker. He doesn't dominate and the defense can get the job down w/out him.[/quote]


I guess we will find out because the Texans are going to run until we stop them.

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[quote=GMScud;732834]?? More objective in general or just about Haynesworth? I feel like I'm pretty realistic and objective when it comes to this team.

Not sure how apologizing for a distracting team cancer every chance you get is objective, but sure. You're entitled to your opinion.[/quote]

Even team cancers can have their share of good or ok plays. That's what he's trying to point out. If you want to deny the plays that he was alright on though, provide evidence said plays didn't happen. Simple.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;732888]Even team cancers can have their share of good or ok plays. That's what he's trying to point out. If you want to deny the plays that he was alright on though, provide evidence said plays didn't happen. Simple.[/quote]

i dont think anyone is saying he didnt have some alright plays. alright plays meaning he held his ground or didnt get pushed back to far on running plays. he certainly didnt have any great plays.

my original comment was that haynesworth got tossed by gurode a few times. its football, it happens. pocket straight thinks he didnt. no big deal, not the first time 2 fans watch the same game and have different impressions of what happened.

pocket straight (im guessing) thinks haynesworth had a good game for the opportunities he had. i just made the comment that haynesworth got tossed atlest twice, they showed replays of 'em and collinsworth made repeated comments on it. pocket straight disagrees that he got "tossed around". no biggie.

i didnt even talk about how haynesworth would try and shoot a gap from the NT position, thereby opening big running lanes for the boys runningbacks which is more subjective and open to interpretation (i dont exactly know what the NT duties are in haslett's scheme but eating up blockers is generally consider priority no 1 for NT).

i thought my comment that "haynesworth got tossed on atleast 2 plays" was an innocent fact and not meant to take a stab at haynesworth. i am sooooo tired of talking about haynesworth.

like skisn69 said, haynesworth is just another body right now. no better than a kedric golston or joey salave. of course, those guys would actually stick to their responsibilities and eat up blockers if playing the NT and not try and penetrate like a pass rushing end but whatevaaa . . .

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;732888]Even team cancers can have their share of good or ok plays. [B]That's what he's trying to point out.[/B] If you want to deny the plays that he was alright on though, provide evidence said plays didn't happen. Simple.[/quote]

It seemed to me that pocket has been trying to point out that this defense can't be successful without AH and that it's the coaches' fault if AH is whiny b**** who doesn't play hard.

Occasionally, AH made plays. Occasionally, he seemingly got pushed around or took himself out of the play. Never did it appear - to me anyway - that he was dominating in the way one would expect for a player of his talent. Rather, he did enough to get along which, b/c of his talent, is better than most.

W/ or w/out him, the defense will be okay. It's got its issues but a half-assed AH ain't gonna solve them [I]and[/I], unless the coaches toss their "team first" bottom line aside for a "oh pretty please Albert, we would like you to play hard and we will design a defense just for you and do whatever it takes to get you your stats" mentality, AH's attitude ain't gonna change. I think last night proved that.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;732896]It seemed to me that pocket has been trying to point out that this defense can't be successful without AH and that it's the coaches' fault if AH is whiny b**** who doesn't play hard.

Occasionally, AH made plays. Occasionally, he seemingly got pushed around or took himself out of the play. Never did it appear - to me anyway - that he was dominating in the way one would expect for a player of his talent. Rather, he did enough to get along which, b/c of his talent, is better than most.

W/ or w/out him, the defense will be okay. It's got its issues but a half-assed AH ain't gonna solve them [I]and[/I], unless the coaches toss their "team first" bottom line aside for a "oh pretty please Albert, we would like you to play hard and we will design a defense just for you and do whatever it takes to get you your stats" mentality, AH's attitude ain't gonna happen. I think last night proved that.[/quote]

It isn't that they will be unsuccessful, I think they could be more successful with him playing. In my opinion Albert is an unusual talent. He is a guy, when used properly, who has DPOY ability. I don't think that anyone else on the defense has that kind of talent and it bothers me to have someone like that on the team who has isn't being used. Our coaches are being paid a lot of money and sometimes you have to deal with some bad when someone is that good. Jimmy Johnson never had an issue. Hell, Marvin Lewis accomplished a lot with a bunch of characters last year.

I don't want 8-8, I want at least 9-7 or 10-6 with a possible division win and some type of playoff run. The Jets showed that a dominant defense can get a team with offensive issues close to the promised land. Getting to the playoffs is one thing but to succeed you need talent and the ability to create mismatches. IMO Albert is the only guy on the line that can consistently create a mismatch.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;732901]It isn't that they will be unsuccessful, I think they could be more successful with him playing. In my opinion Albert is an unusual talent. He is a guy, when used properly, who has DPOY ability. I don't think that anyone else on the defense has that kind of talent and it bothers me to have someone like that on the team who has isn't being used. Our coaches are being paid a lot of money and sometimes you have to deal with some bad when someone is that good. Jimmy Johnson never had an issue. Hell, Marvin Lewis accomplished a lot with a bunch of characters last year.

I don't want 8-8, I want at least 9-7 or 10-6 with a possible division win and some type of playoff run. The Jets showed that a dominant defense can get a team with offensive issues close to the promised land. Getting to the playoffs is one thing but to succeed you need talent and the ability to create mismatches. IMO Albert is the only guy on the line that can consistently create a mismatch.[/quote]
Not really, they'll probably just run draws to his side all day until he grows up mentally.
He's probably better off playing for Son of Bum or anyone else in the Bum Phillip's coordinator tree because they let their NT penetrate... We are the Super-Lite version of Pittsburgh.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;732896]It seemed to me that pocket has been trying to point out that this defense can't be successful without AH and that it's the coaches' fault if AH is whiny b**** who doesn't play hard.

Occasionally, AH made plays. Occasionally, he seemingly got pushed around or took himself out of the play. Never did it appear - to me anyway - that he was dominating in the way one would expect for a player of his talent. Rather, he did enough to get along which, b/c of his talent, is better than most.

W/ or w/out him, the defense will be okay. It's got its issues but a half-assed AH ain't gonna solve them [I]and[/I], unless the coaches toss their "team first" bottom line aside for a "oh pretty please Albert, we would like you to play hard and we will design a defense just for you and do whatever it takes to get you your stats" mentality, AH's attitude ain't gonna change. I think last night proved that.[/quote]

What he said...:food-smil

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Albert played on only 16 plays, even if he was successful in 8 of those plays that is still unacceptable. He can do better, he should do better and pacing on the sideline didn't seem to help his game.

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I think Haynesworth is simply not cut out for what we need him to do. The scheme is somewhat irrelevant. For the money he was signed for and the opportunity for this team to contend, I think a trade is best for both sides. I won't say that he's dumb, stubborn and resistant to change. He's needs to be able to freelance to dominate. How many coaches want that in a player? You sacrifice some things when let a player do what he does best. It's risk-reward. Right now, the scheme is pourous for lack of talent and expertise but, other guys are compensating. That's not good for the long term.

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[quote=diehard;732941]I think Haynesworth is simply not cut out for what we need him to do. The scheme is somewhat irrelevant. For the money he was signed for and the opportunity for this team to contend, I think a trade is best for both sides. I won't say that he's dumb, stubborn and resistant to change. He's needs to be able to freelance to dominate. How many coaches want that in a player? You sacrifice some things when let a player do what he does best. It's risk-reward. Right now, the scheme is pourous for lack of talent and expertise but, other guys are compensating. That's not good for the long term.[/quote]

He isn't the only one though and other guys are sticking out even more. Carter is a fish out of water as he was as invisible as Galloway on offense. Fletcher and McIntosh seem out of place too.

Orakpo (maybe Alexander) is pretty much the only guy who seems like he fits the 3-4 in our front 7.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;732901]It isn't that they will be unsuccessful, I think they could be more successful with him playing. In my opinion Albert is an unusual talent. He is a guy, when used properly, who has DPOY ability. I don't think that anyone else on the defense has that kind of talent and it bothers me to have someone like that on the team who has isn't being used. Our coaches are being paid a lot of money and sometimes you have to deal with some bad when someone is that good. Jimmy Johnson never had an issue. Hell, Marvin Lewis accomplished a lot with a bunch of characters last year.

I don't want 8-8, I want at least 9-7 or 10-6 with a possible division win and some type of playoff run. The Jets showed that a dominant defense can get a team with offensive issues close to the promised land. Getting to the playoffs is one thing but to succeed you need talent and the ability to create mismatches. IMO Albert is the only guy on the line that can consistently create a mismatch.[/quote]

Have you actually watched this guy since he's been here? Have you actually listened to what other players say about the guy? He's not as good as you think he is and the proof is in his play. And Jimmy Johnson had characters but they would've never gotten away with coming to camp out of shape and loafing. JJ is no non sense when it came to that.

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[quote=skinsfan69;733038]Have you actually watched this guy since he's been here? Have you actually listened to what other players say about the guy? He's not as good as you think he is and the proof is in his play. And Jimmy Johnson had characters but they would've never gotten away with coming to camp out of shape and loafing. JJ is no non sense when it came to that.[/quote]


I haven't seen one of his games. He plays here?

Aren't you one of the people who said Landry should go?

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So, after one game in teh new system, everyone who criticized Landry is wrong about all personnel moves and you are right?

The Landry and AH scenarios are completely different. One wants to be here, one doesn't. One bought into the system, one wont. Guess which is which.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;733045]So, after one game in teh new system, everyone who criticized Landry is wrong about all personnel moves and you are right?

The Landry and AH scenarios are completely different. One wants to be here, one doesn't. One bought into the system, one wont. Guess which is which.[/quote]

Well you could make the argument that it's the opposite. Landry used to play out of position, and this new scheme (along with him being back at SS) has helped him play better. AH clearly doesn't fit the 3-4, on top of all the drama that he's brought upon himself.

I still think that the team should've have thrown that 21 mil out the window and traded him. We'd be in a much better situation.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;732854]Was he really pouting though? I remember games last year when he gets in a type of "angry zone" when he plays. When he was pacing by himself, I saw it more as he is pumping himself up more than trying to send a message to the coaches. They played him after that, so I don't think he was causing problems. I wasn't on the sidelines so I don't know for sure.[/quote]

He's known for that

didn't look like a pouting face to me

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Well, given the amount of posts dedicated to Albert Ain'tworth in this thread, I guess it's safe to say he's a "Game Goat." ;)

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;732822]My fault, you probably got free health care from him. Sorry for offending you and the rest of the people looking for (and receiving) handouts.[/quote]

No I'm just educated, my "Minds straight"
Keep it strictly skins from now on cuz

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I nominate Pocket$ $traight for a goat award. Worst armchair coaching I've seen a long time.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;732888]Even team cancers can have their share of good or ok plays. That's what he's trying to point out. If you want to deny the plays that he was alright on though, provide evidence said plays didn't happen. Simple.[/quote]

Find a post where I said he doesn't contribute. I know he's a beast at times when he's in there, but he's wildly inconsistent and a head case. To boot he has a gigantic contract. He's gonna draw some fire.

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[quote=saden1;733083]I nominate Pocket$ $traight for a goat award. Worst armchair coaching I've seen a long time.[/quote]

I think Pocket$ $traight is Haynesworth. I mean lets look at the facts.

- He constantly defends Albert
- His SN is a reference to financial security
- He hates Mike Shanahan
- He doesn't show up to offseason posting activies

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[quote=saden1;733083]I nominate Pocket$ $traight for a goat award. Worst armchair coaching I've seen a long time.[/quote]

I am not the one who posted a Game Goat thread 5 minutes after we beat Dallas.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;733040]I haven't seen one of his games. He plays here?

Aren't you one of the people who said Landry should go?[/quote]

You talk like AH is Reggie White. You didn't hear guys from other teams say Reggie quits, you didn't see him floppijg around on the ground cause he was too tired. As I said, another body in there, no more no less. The tape doesn't lie.

And I don't recall ever saying we should trade LL. He just needs to let his play do the talking, not his mouth.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;732854]Was he really pouting though? I remember games last year when he gets in a type of "angry zone" when he plays. When he was pacing by himself, I saw it more as he is pumping himself up more than trying to send a message to the coaches. They played him after that, so I don't think he was causing problems. I wasn't on the sidelines so I don't know for sure.[/quote]
That's what I was thinking, actually. It reminded me of before the Falcons game last year.
IMO, the problem with AH is he cares more about his personal stat line than that of winning. If he can inflict pain and get sacks in a 50-0 blowout loss, I think he's fine with that. But a win when he is basically a non-factor and he's pissed off. A lot of the times when he was getting manhandled was because he was trying to go lateral instead of standing up and taking on blockers (like a NT is supposed to). At end, he might be able to contribute this year, but unless he completely changes his mindset (highly unlikely) he will only be a pass rusher from the middle of the DL much like Holliday is.

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After limiting a very potent Dallas offense to 7 points and scoring the teams only TD on defense, I don't think any defensive player should get a goat. On offense though, Sellers (can't catch, don't throw it to him), Rabach (not enough upper body strength), all the wr's (most were invisible and even Moss dropped an easy one in the 4th that should've extended the drive killing more time) and LJ (start trying to get to the ground as soon as you are outside the numbers).
Is this offense seriously any better than Zorn & JC? It looked just as inept as last year.

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[quote=rypper11;733155]After limiting a very potent Dallas offense to 7 points and scoring the teams only TD on defense, I don't think any defensive player should get a goat. On offense though, Sellers (can't catch, don't throw it to him), Rabach (not enough upper body strength), all the wr's (most were invisible and even Moss dropped an easy one in the 4th that should've extended the drive killing more time) and LJ (start trying to get to the ground as soon as you are outside the numbers).
Is this offense seriously any better than Zorn & JC? It looked just as inept as last year.[/quote]

On defense, it looked better, but still we gave up 350 yds of defense. I give a LOT of credit for not giving the game away in the last 2 minutes. That marks the biggest turnaround in my mind. (watching the play, Roy Williams was just left uncovered, I don't think it was a blown coverage either, he came across underneath and ran in front of 1 player. I think Haslett just accepted that he was not a big concern.)

On offense, our OL looked a ton better, but the net results were the same. We did take some nice shots down the field, and tried the fade - yay. ( MK would have caught that :( but c'est la vie.)

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Im going to give a game goat to the skins fan who hung a spray painted "redskins country" sign on a bridge over I 95 as you leave balt city and enter the county.

we went 4-12 last year, the ravens have owned us when we play them, ravens have been to the conf championship 2 years ago, last year they beat the pats in the 1st round.

lets not thump our chest and puff our feathers too much after a week 1 win against the boys.

ive always thought the majority of skins fans are being two faced when they say "i dont get the so-called rivalry. i dont care about the ravens, there not in our division."
yeah ok buddy. if the script was flipped and we had beaten down the ravens every time we play and we had been to the playoffs with success while the ravens squandered, you bet your bottom dollar skins fans would be all over the ravens fans.

1 win against dallas, and atleast one redskin fan is ready to start drawing the dividing lines.

(i dont actually have a prob with the sign, i liked it but i have never liked how some skins fans say its not a rivalry for reasons other than the fact that we have sucked, sucked against them and dont have any ammunition to say anything. when we get good, imo those same people who say "they arent in our conf, i dont care" are going to turn into the loudest "ravens suck" skins fans)

unbunching my panties now.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;733180]On defense, it looked better, but still we gave up 350 yds of defense. I give a LOT of credit for not giving the game away in the last 2 minutes. That marks the biggest turnaround in my mind. [B](watching the play, Roy Williams was just left uncovered, I don't think it was a blown coverage either, he came across underneath and ran in front of 1 player. I think Haslett just accepted that he was not a big concern.)[/B]

On offense, our OL looked a ton better, but the net results were the same. We did take some nice shots down the field, and tried the fade - yay. ( MK would have caught that :( but c'est la vie.)[/quote]

I think McIntosh was supposed to cover him on the crossing route but, just as Williams crossed in front of McIntosh, Romo looked like he was going to scramble/run and McIntosh moved up to stop letting Williams run free. Maybe DHall had the zone in the flat but had drifted back to double someone back there. Not sure. Can't believe you wouldn't have someone on all the WRs down there.

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[quote=over the mountain;733213]Im going to give a game goat to the skins fan who hung a spray painted "redskins country" sign on a bridge over I 95 as you leave balt city and enter the county.

we went 4-12 last year, the ravens have owned us when we play them, ravens have been to the conf championship 2 years ago, last year they beat the pats in the 1st round. [/quote]

While I agree with you on this (about the sign being up after winning just one game), to me it needed to be further up north to be some type of anti-Ravens thing. If it was meant to be a slight against the Ravens, I just don't understand fans from either team that want to make it a rivalry.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;733215]I think McIntosh was supposed to cover him on the crossing route but, just as Williams crossed in front of McIntosh, Romo looked like he was going to scramble/run and McIntosh moved up to stop letting Williams run free. Maybe DHall had the zone in the flat but had drifted back to double someone back there. Not sure. Can't believe you wouldn't have someone on all the WRs down there.[/quote]

I don't know, Roy ran half way across the field without anyone trailing or near him, Rocky did have the protection area Roy ran into, but if he was a real threat in Haslett's mind someone would have been responsible for him. I think Irvin may have been right that we played them 11-10 a lot of the day.

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[quote=Ruhskins;733230]While I agree with you on this (about the sign being up after winning just one game), to me it needed to be further up north to be some type of anti-Ravens thing. If it was meant to be a slight against the Ravens, I just don't understand fans from either team that want to make it a rivalry.[/quote]

Its was on I 95 south just after you leave balt city and head towards the DC area. it was def done to be a slight to the ravens fans, letting them know we are taking back the columbia/ellicott city area (which went from all skins to a majority ravens). its less than 5 miles outside the balt city line facing travelers leaving balt city and heading to the DC area.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;733089]I think Pocket$ $traight is Haynesworth. I mean lets look at the facts.

- He constantly defends Albert
- His SN is a reference to financial security
- He hates Mike Shanahan
- He doesn't show up to offseason posting activies[/quote]

Yeah, with a name like Pocket$ $triaght...:benched:

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[quote=rypper11;733155]After limiting a very potent Dallas offense to 7 points and scoring the teams only TD on defense, I don't think any defensive player should get a goat. On offense though, Sellers (can't catch, don't throw it to him), Rabach (not enough upper body strength), all the wr's (most were invisible and even Moss dropped an easy one in the 4th that should've extended the drive killing more time) and LJ (start trying to get to the ground as soon as you are outside the numbers).
Is this offense seriously any better than Zorn & JC? It looked just as inept as last year.[/quote]

The Emperor has no clothes in your world then. Awful run defense, but hey, we're still going to the Super Bowl. Arian Foster ain't no problem, even though he tore it up....