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[quote=diehard;733510]Portis said nothing wrong.[/quote]

At the very least it was in bad taste.

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He essentialluy said female reporters can't/won't do their jobs because they're likely to be tempted by all the half naked to naked men$ I don't know Sains personally, but foe many of the female reporters I do know that's a slap in the face

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I don't think his opinion is necessarily at fault here, he should've had the presence of mind to keep his mouth shut. I'm sure he's not the only one who feels that way, even if it is wrong. This is just one of those cases where it would be easier to keep his mouth shut. And I'm sure Darnell Dockett will be issuing an apology as well soon for saying women need to stay out of the locker room if they feel uncomfortable.

Just another case of Portis making himself look bad by saying the wrong thing at the wrong time. It shouldn't be suprising to anyone by now. He's always spoken his mind and it's something we'll have to live with.

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Listening to the actual comments, it's kind of obvious that the whole "choice of 53 athletes" line was more of a joke then anything else. It probably wasn't the best choice of words, but to be honest it's not that big of a deal. On top of that Alex Flanigan just said on NFLN that she knows Portis and everytime she's interacted with him he's been nothing but respectful.

I still think the main culprits in this whole saga are the Jets who had a handful of players that couldn't control themselves which is unfortunate, but still serves as a tribute to the team nature of football. I imagine that most of the Jets were respectful towards Inez, but at the same time there were enough guys that weren't smart enough to prevent something like this from happening in the first place.

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Why should women be allowed in a men's locker room? Sorry, but I don't see guys allowed in a WNBA locker room. And those pics look like she is at work on a field. You are telling me that is professional dress? If those Jeans were slacks you would be seeing some major camel toe!!! Sure having Ryan run drills to get them to run into her is stupid, but where is her professionalism? To me she is looking to get some or at least to provoke a reaction.

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Yeah I mean considering the things we're used to hearing portis say, I'm really not too worked up about this.

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Two issues here:

1. Male reporters ARE allowed into WNBA locker rooms after games. The athletes know they are going to be there and they are dressed/showered/bathrobed accordingly. Anyone who says male reporters are banned or are restricted in any way simply has not ever done any locker room sports coverage.

By the way, a WNBA locker room is about as arousing as an issue of [I]Maxim Magazine[/I]. And if that sends anyone into rapturous states, then that someone has serious problems.


2. What is fundamentally wrong with what CP said in his first statement is this:
[INDENT]The NFL - - his employer, the entity that puts the $$$ in his bank account - - has a LONGSTANDING policy that men and women reporters SHALL have equal access to the locker rooms of NFL teams.[/INDENT]
If CP does not like the policy, he can make a case against the policy and perhaps start a discussion that might be interesting - - - even if it will change nothing. But he chose to go the route that NE Pats' players went with Lisa Olsen about 25 years ago saying she was "staring" and "shopping around" in the locker room. EVEN IF THAT WERE TRUE - - and I have no idea if it is now or was then - - that position is untenable in 2010.
[INDENT][B]Memo to CP:[/B]

That position undermines your employer, dummy.

Even your union - - which will stand up for dogfighters - - has decried that statement.[/INDENT]
CP needs to let out the clutch and engage his brain for just a couple of milliseconds before he wags his tongue in the future.

It has been a while since I have used this sobriquet but at the moment it seems highly appropriate:
[INDENT][INDENT][B]MEATHEAD!![/B][/INDENT][/INDENT]

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Jersey Shore, Jerseylious, Real Housewives of NJ, next up is Jerseying it Jets style LOL!

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The bottom line is she was given media credentials by the New York Jets. In their eyes she's legit media, and was given access to the team as such. She should be given respect as a professional.

It's one thing for players to make some comments. She's way hotter than pretty much every other reporter. I have a huge issue with the member of the coaching staff who was purposely overthrowing footballs so they would land near her so players could run by to grab the ball and get a closer look. That's so amazingly unprofessional and childish. If I'm the GM/owner of the Jets, that coach gets reprimanded big-time. But then again, after this season of Hard Knocks, it's pretty obvious what kind of class many in that organization have.

It's pretty weak for anyone here to just assume she's some bimbo because she's hot. I don't know much about her, but I can tell you that's an unfair assumption. I mean, she was wearing jeans and a t-shirt, right? It's not like she strutted into a locker room wearing a thong.

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From what I've been reading (and seeing in photos), Sainz is known to athletes as having a less-than-professional demeanor compared to other journalists. When I say "professional", I really mean "American professional" when speaking of journalism.

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Sainz, herself, said she didn't really deem the catcalls offensive and if I'm a betting man, the players who did it probably were comfortable doing so knowing her personality. Not really sure how Mexican female sports reporters (especially at TV Azteca) go about their business, but Sainz' perspective is a bit different than the female reporter who was offended. There's a definite way to behave within American work place environments- and having been around the world, I can say journalism is one industry that diverges widely in several aspects (including content, bias, professionalism, etc).

I'm not saying catcalls are acceptable in a work place, but there's a gray area when it comes to this particular journalist. I don't know of any serious female reporter who measures body parts with a tape, who wears midriffs during an interview or happily lets a player lift her up. I think Sainz was treated differently than an Erin Andrews or Michelle Beadle for a reason.

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I think the real reason she did this was because TV Azteca sent her to New Jersey. After visiting the pit, she realized that Mexico wasn't so bad after all.

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Yeah and I love how CP was muzzled for basically telling the truth. A chick dressed like that is looking to entice the guys, or at the very least looking to provoke a response. Cp didn't say anything that was really improper anyway. I mean you are telling me a young woman isn't going to check out naked athletes?

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She's is smoking hot.
But that still doen't make it ok for the Jets to cat-call her.

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[quote=Mattyk;733514]At the very least it was in bad taste.[/quote]

It wasn't really what he said, it was the fact that he said something about an issue that was being investigated.

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She's just doing her job and I think she wasn't too bothered with what happened. But there may be some journalist who wanted to be her knight in shining armor who made a big deal of the thing. (Or maybe it was a jealous female journalist.)

My wife is Mexican, so we see a lot of Spanish-language channels. They expect their women not to be afraid to be sexy and friendly flirting is promoted on a lot of shows. They wouldn't dream, for instance, of fining a player for handing a ball to a cheerleader, or of showing players' butts instead of cheerleaders' butts during a time out. (Obscenities, however, are out of line.)

You may want to check out Republica Deportiva for the flavor of a sports show from south of the border.

Voted fifth-sexiest sportscaster worldwide by FHM online [url=http://www.fhmonline.com/site/article.aspx?id=41540]The Five Sexiest Sports Reporters in the World | FHMonline.com[/url].

In fact the following comments, which appear at
[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20016246-504083.html]Ines Sainz (PICTURES): Mexican Reporter was "Dying of Discomfort" in Jets Locker Room - Crimesider - CBS News[/url]
lend more clarity to the situation.

"I'm dying of discomfort!" ... "I am in the Jets Locker room waiting for Mark Sanchez, while trying not to look to anywhere!"
(The latter part of this statement is somehow is missing in most reports.)

"It was definitely a joking tone, very amicable," Sainz said in an interview with a colleague. "I wasn't offended."

She told TV Azteca that though she was embarrassed, she didn't take it to heart and didn't realize it was going to become such a big deal, according to [URL="http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/13/new-york-jets-kicks-off-season-facing-harassment-claim/?npt=NP1"][COLOR=#1968b2]CNN[/COLOR][/URL].

The following was a comment made on the same page:
The "reporter" that was harassed in the locker room invited cat calls and everything else that happened with her choice of clothing and providing ready access to the assets they were addressing. [B]Her choice of clothing for the locker room and your show were offensive to me (former female journalist on local level)[/B]! I would never have worn such an outfit to ANY interview, but especially a sporting event. Her clothes were too tight and her bosoms were practically pushed in the faces, even this morning on your show.

Maybe some of the people (reporters) from here should realize that not all people are from countries founded by Puritans, and that they should be allowed to decide for themselves if they are offended or not.

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[quote=itvnetop;733550]



Sainz, herself, said she didn't really deem the catcalls offensive and if I'm a betting man, the players who did it probably were comfortable doing so knowing her personality. Not really sure how Mexican female sports reporters (especially at TV Azteca) go about their business, but Sainz' perspective is a bit different than the female reporter who was offended. There's a definite way to behave within American work place environments- and having been around the world, I can say journalism is one industry that diverges widely in several aspects (including content, bias, professionalism, etc).

I'm not saying catcalls are acceptable in a work place, but there's a gray area when it comes to this particular journalist. I don't know of any serious female reporter who measures body parts with a tape, who wears midriffs during an interview or happily lets a player lift her up. I think Sainz was treated differently than an Erin Andrews or Michelle Beadle for a reason.[/quote]

Yeah fair enough. This kind of stuff is commonplace on TV Azteca, but not in the US. What's she broadcasting is for TV Azteca, but she's getting her material in a totally different environemnt. So I guess there's fine line between what the league and the major networks deem acceptable and the minimum that TV Azteca is asking as far as her outfits/etc. But was she measuring biceps and wearing a bare midriff in the Jets locker room?

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[quote=GMScud;733603]Yeah fair enough. This kind of stuff is commonplace on TV Azteca, but not in the US. What's she broadcasting is for TV Azteca, but she's getting her material in a totally different environemnt. So I guess there's fine line between what the league and the major networks deem acceptable and the minimum that TV Azteca is asking as far as her outfits/etc. But was she measuring biceps and wearing a bare midriff in the Jets locker room?[/quote]

Your point rings true- she wasn't pulling her sideline antics inside the locker room and she was probably there for post-game interviews only. The players obviously didn't use good judgment when treating in the locker room like they do outside... especially when there's other female (American) reporters who would take offense.

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I don't know about the rest of you but if she walked in the locker room and im ass naked fresh out the shower upon seeing her I would need a cold one...and Dressing like that on the job is like Legal jail bait...you almost know that kind of attire on the job is going to get attention!

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[quote=pg86;733629]I don't know about the rest of you but if she walked in the locker room and im ass naked fresh out the shower upon seeing her I would need a cold one...and Dressing like that on the job is like Legal jail bait...you almost know that kind of attire on the job is going to get attention![/quote]

Actually cold showers are an urban myth. If anything cold showers make the blood flow faster which obviously effects other parts.

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I think in a way she's being used as a "martyr" This is getting out of the message of ensuring there is fair treatment of all reporters, regardless of gender. Truthfully though, it's not a major issue (not like it used to be), though it still is to an extent. I suspect this story will fade away soon.

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100% attention whore. but damn her ass is ridiculous.

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Isn't the right to privacy part of the constitution?

No reporters of either sex should be allowed in the locker room until all players are dressed.

Simple.

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[quote=davy;733637]Isn't the right to privacy part of the constitution?

No reporters of either sex should be allowed in the locker room until all players are dressed.

Simple.[/quote]

Teams have 10 -15 minutes before reporters are allowed in. Not every player gets dressed right away, reporters have deadlines to meet, and you (the universal you) want constant news and info...so it's not that simple

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I like CP. I thought it was kinda cool when he dressed up and stuff. But jeesh STFU man, just go play.

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This is a MEN'S LOCKER ROOM.
Now we expect "professionalism" in locker rooms of all places?
Is there no sanctuary, no last bastion of raw, unadulterated tribal machismo, no place where testosterone can flow freely?
(Besides Childress's chin?)

When men can't act like, well, men, among fellow teammates in the privacy and sanctity of their own locker room, what's next?

I can't burp and fart and swear and make fun of people's mothers in the comfort and privacy of my own home?

She was in THEIR domain--what did she expect? 53 Knights in Shining Armor to strew a path of rose petals in front of her, serenade her with Jewel songs, and chit chat with her about doilies and the latest episode of Oprah? Get real.

Women want to be treated equally--equal access and all that--then quit yer bitchin' when you actually get it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;733635]I think in a way she's being used as a "martyr" This is getting out of the message of ensuring there is fair treatment of all reporters, regardless of gender. Truthfully though, it's not a major issue (not like it used to be), though it still is to an extent. I suspect this story will fade away soon.[/quote]

SS One thing that makes this story unique in comparison to so many others is, it involved an episode having to do with what was perceived to be disrespect for a female member of the media. It's only natural that her fellow comrades come to her defense.

While I agree this story will soon become a non-issue, in the meantime there's still that lingering question in the minds of many people as to: Why it's so important to the NFL [or any party for that matter] to make it mandate women be allowed access to the locker-rooms of players when foresight should remind them of the potential problems it could pose? I have a hard time trying to distinguish reward vs. risk even though I'm mindful of the fact it's their job.

I'm trying to understand why male reporters wouldn't be the more appropiate way to get the message out. Members of the media [especially female] must recognize the inherent dangers of just being there, despite the fact we may want to think players are going to conduct themselves in a professional manner. This episode serves to demonstrate that's not always the case, making it unwise to asume.

Common sense begs me to understand how/why female reporters being allowed unfettered access to male locker rooms would not somehow create an uncomfortable atmosphere for both parties. Thus, the unanswered question....Why do it when you have a more viable alternative which in all probability would have reduced the risk of what we just witnessed happening.

Thoughts!

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[quote=SmootSmack;733641]Teams have 10 -15 minutes before reporters are allowed in. Not every player gets dressed right away, reporters have deadlines to meet, and you (the universal you) want constant news and info...so it's not that simple[/quote]

If all reporters had to wait 30min then wouldn't everyone just change their deadlines that amount of time? Not sure whay its such a big deal to get interviews so quick. After a win I really don't care what they have to say and after a loss who really wants to hear the winning team gloat.

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[quote=Longtimefan;733681]SS One thing that makes this story unique in comparison to so many others is, it involved an episode having to do with what was perceived to be disrespect for a female member of the media. It's only natural that her fellow comrades come to her defense.

While I agree this story will soon become a non-issue, in the meantime there's still that lingering question in the minds of many people as to: Why it's so important to the NFL [or any party for that matter] to make it mandate women be allowed access to the locker-rooms of players when foresight should remind them of the potential problems it could pose? I have a hard time trying to distinguish reward vs. risk even though I'm mindful of the fact it's their job.

I'm trying to understand why male reporters wouldn't be the more appropiate way to get the message out. Members of the media [especially female] must recognize the inherent dangers of just being there, despite the fact we may want to think players are going to conduct themselves in a professional manner. This episode serves to demonstrate that's not always the case, making it unwise to asume.

Common sense begs me to understand how/why female reporters being allowed unfettered access to male locker rooms would not somehow create an uncomfortable atmosphere for both parties. Thus, the unanswered question....Why do it when you have a more viable alternative which in all probability would have reduced the risk of what we just witnessed happening.

Thoughts![/quote]

Male reporters are allowed in female locker rooms for discreet time windows. Vice versa for women in men's locker rooms. This must be done for the sake of fairness. Otherwise discrimination is created in terms of employment for reporters. Put differently, since men's sports are the big money/big awareness sports, to bar women from locker rooms bars them from rising in their chosen professions. And that's not fair.

All the guys in the locker room (which is not just a locker room, but a professional work place) know when they might have visitors. It's not like female reporters just show up by surprise.

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[quote=Mechanix544;733672]This is a MEN'S LOCKER ROOM.
Now we expect "professionalism" in locker rooms of all places?
Is there no sanctuary, no last bastion of raw, unadulterated tribal machismo, no place where testosterone can flow freely?
(Besides Childress's chin?)

When men can't act like, well, men, among fellow teammates in the privacy and sanctity of their own locker room, what's next?

I can't burp and fart and swear and make fun of people's mothers in the comfort and privacy of my own home?

She was in THEIR domain--what did she expect? 53 Knights in Shining Armor to strew a path of rose petals in front of her, serenade her with Jewel songs, and chit chat with her about doilies and the latest episode of Oprah? Get real.

Women want to be treated equally--equal access and all that--then quit yer bitchin' when you actually get it.[/quote]

Well said. :goodjob:

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[quote=firstdown;733687]If all reporters had to wait 30min then wouldn't everyone just change their deadlines that amount of time? Not sure whay its such a big deal to get interviews so quick. After a win I really don't care what they have to say and after a loss who really wants to hear the winning team gloat.[/quote]

You can't sit around and delay the time newspapers have to go to press or the news starts. It doesn't work that way.

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[quote=Longtimefan;733681]SS One thing that makes this story unique in comparison to so many others is, it involved an episode having to do with what was perceived to be disrespect for a female member of the media. It's only natural that her fellow comrades come to her defense.

While I agree this story will soon become a non-issue, in the meantime there's still that lingering question in the minds of many people as to: Why it's so important to the NFL [or any party for that matter] to make it mandate women be allowed access to the locker-rooms of players when foresight should remind them of the potential problems it could pose? I have a hard time trying to distinguish reward vs. risk even though I'm mindful of the fact it's their job.

I'm trying to understand why male reporters wouldn't be the more appropiate way to get the message out. Members of the media [especially female] must recognize the inherent dangers of just being there, despite the fact we may want to think players are going to conduct themselves in a professional manner. This episode serves to demonstrate that's not always the case, making it unwise to asume.

Common sense begs me to understand how/why female reporters being allowed unfettered access to male locker rooms would not somehow create an uncomfortable atmosphere for both parties. Thus, the unanswered question....Why do it when you have a more viable alternative which in all probability would have reduced the risk of what we just witnessed happening.

Thoughts![/quote]

See post #103

But it's not just about the locker room truthfully, it's about giving female sports journalists the proper respect for them to do their job. There's a strong misconception that they don't belong in the pro sports field, which is simply not true and ignorant

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The NFL should take a stand and ban her!

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[quote=SmootSmack;733755]See post #103

But it's not just about the locker room truthfully, it's about giving female sports journalists the proper respect for them to do their job. There's a strong misconception that they don't belong in the pro sports field, which is simply not true and ignorant[/quote]

I'm sure those who act professionally and take their job seriously get respect.

This woman is out to get her 15 minutes of fame. She's an attention whore.

I heard an interview with her yesterday. She said that she didn't think any of their behavior was a big deal and she wasn't offended at all. Then, another female reporter in the locker room (probably an ugly one) pushed the issue and wouldn't let it go...talking her into making it public that what they did was "offensive" and "harassment"

She had an "I don't care" attitude and was laughing about the incidents at practice and in the locker room. Honestly, she sounded like an airhead.

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[quote=Buster;733764]I'm sure those who act professionally and take their job seriously get respect.

This woman is out to get her 15 minutes of fame. She's an attention whore.[/quote]

There are plenty that don't, as evidenced by Portis' comments.

And clearly from some of the posts here, there are many in the general public who don't give them their proper respect.

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Aside from personal respect for other people...most of the media in general doesn't do a lot to earn respect. But, as human beings, they deserve respect just for being people...but professionally...they lost most peoples' respect.

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[quote=Buster;733764]I'm sure those who act professionally and take their job seriously get respect.

This woman is out to get her 15 minutes of fame. She's an attention whore.[/quote]

NFL Network just started taping a reality dating show starring Ines Sainz. Now what?

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Funny, I thought we were over this women reporters in the locker room thing about 10 years ago.

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So is it possible that some in sports journalism don't want her to dress in the way she does? By forcing this issue to light, which doesn't seem to be her desire (see my post 95), she gets a lot of flak for the way she dresses.

I remember when I was going to school in Boston, there were girls who came to town dressing really sexy in the fall and then they suddenly stopped. I asked if it was because of abuse from the guys. They said no, it was abuse from catty females. (I went to a school with an 8:1 ratio, so there weren't many women to ask at my school.)

As far as the way she looks, she WAS voted 5th sexiest sports broadcaster (behind Erin Andrews?!) in the world by fhmonline. So she also needs to maintain her image (i.e. not be a frump.)

When will people learn that if the person supposedly offended isn't bothered then there is no story? (The "really uncomfortable" quote, which most people are using as an excuse to continue this, is debunked in post 95.)

[quote=SmootSmack;733635]I think in a way she's being used as a "martyr" This is getting out of the message of ensuring there is fair treatment of all reporters, regardless of gender. Truthfully though, it's not a major issue (not like it used to be), though it still is to an extent. I suspect this story will fade away soon.[/quote]

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How about some hot female mods? Equal opportunity employment?

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[quote=diehard;733782]How about some hot female mods? Equal opportunity employment?[/quote]

The next hot female mod will be the first hot female mod.