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In the end, it's not a team physical and not a big deal.

More media fishing for a story, really.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;715387]Yeah, but what good does that do? It's like suspending a kid from school for a week because he was skipping class.

I say do that opposite. Make him practice and that's where you ride him harder than everyone else. Every drill, "not fast enough Albert. You're not hitting hard enough Albert. Line up again Albert. You're still considered a back up Albert." Keep that shit up to prove a point but don't hold him out of practice until he can run up and down the field.[/quote]

That's a good point

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A couple of things are probably going on here but the main one is Shanahan once again stressing, my team, my rules, my way. I have no problem with how he's treating Haynesworth with this whole ordeal. The test is standard for all NFL players-with variances based on position. Should Al be treated like a child? 'Make sure you go to the bathroom before you take the field, Al.' I don't think this will be much of an issue as camp goes on as long as he passes the test tomorrow.

All signs point to Haynesworth and Haslett having productive conversations about the upcoming season. Al is ego driven so don't be surprised if he has a big year if for no reason to stick it to critics. This is merely a blip, it will pass after the 24 hour cycle if he passes the test tomorrow morning.

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[quote=Defensewins;715296]If true, who cares? Did any other players fail the test?
The guy is a 340 pound immovable object, not a WR or DB.
They are worried he is going to get hurt because he cannot run a certain routine? Silly. Put him in and let him run over some of our OL. Then see who will get hurt.[/quote]

x 2. this is such a non issue. the media is going to really run with this. the fat rookie from alabama that got drafted by balt failed his and the media was all over it. he passed today and it's over and done with.

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Two questions:

1. Was everyone required to pass this test at some point?

and

2. Has everyone passed that took said conditioning test, particularly the other 300 pounders?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;715406]Two questions:

1. Was everyone required to pass this test at some point?

and

2. Has everyone passed that took said conditioning test, particularly the other 300 pounders?[/quote]

I read somewhere earlier today (PFT maybe?) that Haynesworth had to take it because he skipped the offseason program but players who reached a certain attendance level were exempted from the test.

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[quote=Mattyk;715372]I highly doubt MS wanted him to fail the test. Do we really think MS wants this drama to continue? Does he really want to have to keep answering questions about this guy??[/quote]

I think MS wanted to send a message. No more no less. This will be a non issue in 3 days.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;715387]Yeah, but what good does that do? It's like suspending a kid from school for a week because he was skipping class.

I say do that opposite. Make him practice and that's where you ride him harder than everyone else. Every drill, "not fast enough Albert. You're not hitting hard enough Albert. Line up again Albert. You're still considered a back up Albert." Keep that shit up to prove a point but don't hold him out of practice until he can run up and down the field.[/quote]

Well, what this does is humiliate his fat ass. The media is all over it and everywhere you look it says that he FAILED! That should be a highly motivating factor in a competitor who would not want everyone thinking he lied about his conditioning. We shall see how he responds.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;715392][B]According to the Washington Post, Albert Haynesworth "apparently" needed a bathroom break during the second portion of his conditioning test Thursday, explaining his failure to finish.[/B]
[B]The test consisted of two grueling 300-yard shuttle runs. He aced the first, but walked through the second, in apparent need of a bowel movement. Haynesworth will not be allowed to practice until he completes both runs. By all accounts, he's in good shape, so he should be fine on Friday's retake[/B]

Read this at PFT....this is too funny if this is true. HTTR!!![/quote]

1 300 yard shuttle made him have to take a shit. lol.

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[quote=Paintrain;715407]I read somewhere earlier today (PFT maybe?) that Haynesworth had to take it because he skipped the offseason program but players who reached a certain attendance level were exempted from the test.[/quote]

And that seems totally reasonable. It's 100+ degrees out, these are 300+lbs guys--they better be in shape before they take the field, or serious things can happen. Now, it's probably already clear that AH is in shape, but come on. Do the friggin test and join the rest of your teammates. And, yeah, it's a good idea to use the bathroom BEFORE the test if you have to go.

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Pretty much.

Of course if I had to run a 300yard shuttle I may have to puke. :)

Any body seen a pic of the new slimmed down haynesworth yet? Just for an eyeball test to see if the guy looks less fat and a little more defined than last year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;715413]1 300 yard shuttle made him have to take a shit. lol.[/quote]

Yeah, so I guess you could say that they "worked the shit" out of him today. I would've made him workout through it, have the fat bastard shit his pants.

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[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/07/29/10/Source-Haynesworth-Fails-Part-Of-Test/landing_v3.html?blockID=279717&feedID=6458]Source: Haynesworth Fails Part Of Test[/url]


ouch!

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Coaches should set their players up for failure more often. When I played football there was nothing nice about it. We ran drills till we puked, and we did it for free.

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[quote=ghettodogallstars;715422]coaches should set their players up for failure more often. When i played football there was nothing nice about it. We ran drills till we puked, and we did it for free.[/quote]


exactly!!!

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;715422]Coaches should set their players up for failure more often. When I played football there was nothing nice about it. We ran drills till we puked, and we did it for free.[/quote]Really, it's a person by person case. Some are motivated by failure, others are motivated by rewards or successes.

No one, however, is motivated by stubborn ego-flexing, which is why it's hard for me to view this ordeal as a motivation concept.

I think Albert Haynesworth is motivated by fear of failure. He does not want to be known as the $100 million bust. And if his two choices are to be known as a bust, or a malcontent asshole who doesn't listen to outside opinions if it doesn't help him reach his goal of personal greatness -- I think it's obvious that Albert is less about the team than himself.

Naturally, you could see why Vinny loved this guy.

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[quote=GTripp0012;715428]Really, it's a person by person case. Some are motivated by failure, others are motivated by rewards or successes.

No one, however, is motivated by stubborn ego-flexing, which is why it's hard for me to view this ordeal as a motivation concept.

I think Albert Haynesworth is motivated by fear of failure. He does not want to be known as the $100 million bust. And if his two choices are to be known as a bust, or a malcontent asshole who doesn't listen to outside opinions if it doesn't help him reach his goal of personal greatness -- I think it's obvious that Albert is less about the team than himself.

Naturally, you could see why Vinny loved this guy.[/quote]

I don't necessarily think it is a preconceived motivational strategy, it's just the coach being a prick. All my football coaches were pricks too, and as players we just had to submit. To me that's all this is: a dominance game. The coach is the dominatrix and the players are the subordinates. You are right though, some people respond better to it than others.

Not all coaches are pricks -- each one has a different style. But, the prick approach is a valid one IMO.

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Gotta love it. Fat Al your gonna be in shape one way or the other. There is a new SHERIFF in town and this real SHERIFF is in full control!

Where's that boy wonder trainer at now Fat Al..? Just when you need him to push you off the shitter and run a FEW more sprints? :spank:



Albert Haynesworth's inability to run a third 300-yard sprint in a satisfactory time in the eyes of coach Mike Shanahan prevented him from practicing with the Redskins Thursday.

Haynesworth had to pass a conditioning test Thursday and he entered the day planning to do two sprints. According to a source, Shanahan believed Haynesworth had too much rest time between his runs and asked for a third.


[B]Haynesworth failed the third sprint. A source said Haynesworth told Shanahan he never ran three such sprints during his best Pro Bowl seasons. Shanahan then told Haynesworth that he must not have ever been in shape, according to the source.[/B]

Shanahan and Haynesworth have been feuding since Shanahan became coach of the Redskins in early January. Haynesworth skipped all offseason work with the team because he didn't want to be in the team's new 3-4 defensive scheme.

Haynesworth reported to the team Wednesday 30 to 40 pounds lighter but was told he would work with the backups when he returned to the field.

It is not known when Haynesworth will have his next test.

FoxSports.com first reported that Haynesworth had failed his conditioning test.

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[quote=Defensewins;715383]The 'dude' is a top 5 interior DL in the NFL. There are plenty of really top lineman in the NFL that can not pass a rigorous cardio conditioning tests.
If we all really care about winning, it is time to put all of these ridiculous situations behind us. I realize Haynesworth is a selfish fat bastard and is mostly to blame. But he is a top interior DL in the NFL that combines a rare pass rush and run stopping ability. Continuing to make Haynesworth our public punching bag is not going to help us win.
Having a healthy and positive Haynesworth on our DL this year will help us win.[/quote]

I can see every aspect of this, from every angle that has been discussed here on this forum. Here is my 2 cents.

Ego is not a good thing, be it from a coach or a primadonna WR or a player. Being the bigger man (Figuratively people.....) is what needs to happen here. If Shanahan is indeed taking a shot at Albert for not conforming to his standards, then shame on him. Public embarassment and intentionally releasing the failure to the media, come on, that is childish. The guy is gonna be on the roster, and from many sources, he is in the best shape of his career. If you are really serious about bringing this team back to greatness, swallow your pride, and offer AH an olive branch, not a sponge of vinegar. They guy IS getting paid, we DO want him to play and blow OL's off the ball, and training camp is where u should put all the other bullshit behind you. If he showed up on time this time, and ready to roll and shanahan did this due to ego or bad blood, then shanahan needs to quit acting like a ****ing middle schooler and get a clue. The bottom line is all that is important. AH makes the team better, not worse. Be the bigger man shanahan, and go out of your way to show AH that he is needed and wanted here, and we want him to help us succeed.

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I lost some respect for Shanahan today. Haynesworth came into camp and passed the two sprints. Because of that, Shanny made him run a 3rd. Had he passed that, he would have made him run a 4th. If you feel he's taking too much time say "Run it now" and he better -- but this was just an ego trip. Albert Haynesworth had no chance to pass this conditioning test regardless of what kind of condition he's in -- bush league move.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;715432]I don't necessarily think it is a preconceived motivational strategy, it's just the coach being a prick. All my football coaches were pricks too, and as players we just had to submit. To me that's all this is: a dominance game. The coach is the dominatrix and the players are the subordinates. You are right though, some people respond better to it than others.

Not all coaches are pricks -- each one has a different style. But, the prick approach is a valid one IMO.[/quote]

Well, most of the time the pricks are the most successful.

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[quote=Daseal;715438]I lost some respect for Shanahan today. Haynesworth came into camp and passed the two sprints. Because of that, Shanny made him run a 3rd. Had he passed that, he would have made him run a 4th. If you feel he's taking too much time say "Run it now" and he better -- but this was just an ego trip. Albert Haynesworth had no chance to pass this conditioning test regardless of what kind of condition he's in -- bush league move.[/quote]

I have to think what Haynesworth has done this entire offseason if more of a bush league move...

Maybe Haynesworth will come out more determined and focused tomorrow and actually shit his pants. This will probably be the first time shitting of the pants is equated to a good thing.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;715387]Yeah, but what good does that do? It's like suspending a kid from school for a week because he was skipping class.

I say do that opposite. Make him practice and that's where you ride him harder than everyone else. Every drill, "not fast enough Albert. You're not hitting hard enough Albert. Line up again Albert. You're still considered a back up Albert." Keep that shit up to prove a point but don't hold him out of practice until he can run up and down the field.[/quote]

You are so right about this. Your analogy is hilarious.

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[quote=Mechanix544;715436]I can see every aspect of this, from every angle that has been discussed here on this forum. Here is my 2 cents.

Ego is not a good thing, be it from a coach or a primadonna WR or a player. Being the bigger man (Figuratively people.....) is what needs to happen here. If Shanahan is indeed taking a shot at Albert for not conforming to his standards, then shame on him. Public embarassment and intentionally releasing the failure to the media, come on, that is childish. The guy is gonna be on the roster, and from many sources, he is in the best shape of his career. If you are really serious about bringing this team back to greatness, swallow your pride, and offer AH an olive branch, not a sponge of vinegar. They guy IS getting paid, we DO want him to play and blow OL's off the ball, and training camp is where u should put all the other bullshit behind you. If he showed up on time this time, and ready to roll and shanahan did this due to ego or bad blood, then shanahan needs to quit acting like a ****ing middle schooler and get a clue. The bottom line is all that is important. AH makes the team better, not worse. Be the bigger man shanahan, and go out of your way to show AH that he is needed and wanted here, and we want him to help us succeed.[/quote]

Perfect point.

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So I read this and started thinking....

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/29/haynesworth-shanahan-exchange-words-after-failed-conditioning-test/]Haynesworth, Shanahan exchange words after failed conditioning test | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

All his actions are doing is building sympathy for Haynesworth, which makes Shanahan either a vindictive jerk... or an absolute genius. If Shanahan sensed that the locker room, following Fletchers lead, was turned against Haynesworth, what better way to get the teammates to embrace him than by asking him to do 10 times more than the rest of them, having him do it, and then failing him anyways? Strategery.

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[quote=SkinzWin;715440]I have to think what Haynesworth has done this entire offseason if more of a bush league move...

Maybe Haynesworth will come out more determined and focused tomorrow and actually shit his pants. This will probably be the first time shitting of the pants is equated to a good thing.[/quote]

Haynesworth did not act admirably during the offseason. At first, I was on his side. The trainers at Redskins park last year were terrible. I understand wanting to do your own thing to get into shape. Asking for the trade after a 21M pay day is ridiculous.

People are acting like a DT should have to run 3 300yard sprints. That's 9 football fields. Shanny said two because he didnt think Albert would ever finish them. When he did he found an excuse to fail him. Be the bigger man, bury the hatchet, and help a stud player assimilate into the team. Making him start with the 2nd string is enough -- he's obviously in shape -- start building a team instead of tearing one apart.

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[quote=Daseal;715438]I lost some respect for Shanahan today. Haynesworth came into camp and passed the two sprints. Because of that, Shanny made him run a 3rd. Had he passed that, he would have made him run a 4th. If you feel he's taking too much time say "Run it now" and he better -- but this was just an ego trip. Albert Haynesworth had no chance to pass this conditioning test regardless of what kind of condition he's in -- bush league move.[/quote]

The practice of most NFL coaches to air the teams laundry and try to embarrass players in the press has to stop. Keep personnel issues in house.
It is funny how players get fined or suspended or called malcontents if the roles were reversed. Shanahan pulled a bush league move today. Head coach is an authority and should not sink down to level of morons.

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Shanahan the Coaching mastermind.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;715447]Shanahan the Coaching mastermind.[/quote]

Not really. He just gave the media a huge misinformation nugget about Albert. Who is really going to pay attention to the fact that "several players said Haynesworth clearly is in much better shape than he was at this time last season"(RI)?

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As far as I know MS has 90 or so guys towing the line drinking the Kool aid and deamin' the dream.....AND we have one unhappy Big Al....bucking the system?
[B]Team sports[/B] should not cater to the individual but rather reward the...team.
MS is sending a message. Hopefully Big can be intelligent enough to hear that there is [B]no....I[/B] in team? Man up, Take your lumps, move on......HTTR

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I honestly can't believe that some of you guys on here are defending AH and blasting MS. The guy has to set an example to the team and it starts with AH. Yes, what he did was make damn sure that AH would fail the test to show him who the boss is.

The bottom line is that AH took too much time between the first and second run, so he had to do a 3rd.

If you guys want another Jim Zorn with the headset on, please move on b/c we've already found out that won't work around here. The bottom line is that if you cross the coach, you pay the price.

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[quote=murphy196;715453]I honestly can't believe that some of you guys on here are defending AH and blasting MS. The guy has to set an example to the team and it starts with AH. [B][SIZE="3"]Yes, what he did was make damn sure that AH would fail the test to show him who the boss is.
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The bottom line is that AH took too much time between the first and second run, so he had to do a 3rd.

If you guys want another Jim Zorn with the headset on, please move on b/c we've already found out that won't work around here. The bottom line is that if you cross the coach, you pay the price.[/quote]

He could have easily beat the hell out of him in camp. Regardless, I'm sick of both of these egos going at it. I hope they can solve this shit by tomorrow so we can move on with our lives.

Personally, I encourage all fans to stop wasting your time talking about this drama crap and discuss relevant football issues in the other threads.

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If the biggest price to pay for thumbing your nose at the organization that gave you a $21M check (based on the premise that you were committed once you too the check) is to run 600 yards again tomorrow.....he's getting off pretty easy IMO. He'll come out tomorrow, do the run and move on.

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[quote=murphy196;715453]I honestly can't believe that some of you guys on here are defending AH and blasting MS. The guy has to set an example to the team and it starts with AH. Yes, what he did was make damn sure that AH would fail the test to show him who the boss is.

The bottom line is that AH took too much time between the first and second run, so he had to do a 3rd.

If you guys want another Jim Zorn with the headset on, please move on b/c we've already found out that won't work around here. The bottom line is that if you cross the coach, you pay the price.[/quote]
Did I sin against the saintly and impeccable father of all creation know as Mike Shanahan? I didn't know humans were capable of impeccability.
It's RIGHT ON JASON RIEDS WTF**** RI POST THAT HIS TEAMMATES STATED HAYNESWORTH WAS IN BETTER SHAPE AT THIS TIME THAN LAST YEAR.

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No need to yell.

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MF both of em in the ear. Win football games!

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[quote=SmootSmack;715461]No need to yell.[/quote]

i’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean i lost the fight

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[quote=mlmdub130;715463]i’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean i lost the fight[/quote]

Lmao I love Kenny Powers.

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Big Al took a bathroom break because he was tired. He sensed that (unlike in a regular season game last season) if he laid on the field like a beached whale this time, a couple of trainers weren't going to come and help him off the field to a nice seat on the bench and give him some refreshing oxygen. So he had to think of something to do and the bathroom break idea came to him.

The only problem with Al's attempt to, once again, make a half-hearted effort and then quit is that the powerless nice guy, Jim Zorn, isn't the coach here anymore. Now the coach is the all-powerful prick, Mike Shanahan. So Big Al had to try again to do it the right way before he was allowed to quit for today. But, of course, that meant that he failed the test. So he'll have to take it over again and, if necessary, again and again until he learns to not quit.

Since there is no way that Mike Shanahan is ever going to give him a free pass, the next logical step for Big Al is to give up his lazy ways, work hard and pass the test, and then start practicing with the team.

The only problem here is that Big Al failed to pull a slick one on Shanahan. If and when Big Al decides to pay the price, he can be great. Some day, he may even thank Mike Shanahan for getting him started in the right direction.

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They said he looked better, not was in better shape, the two aren't synonymous and the correlation isn't necessarily direct. Haynesworth will get a slap on the wrist each day until he gets it done.