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Questions for all:
1) If Suh is available, do we take him? I say yes, best player in draft.
2) What impact will that have on 4-3 v. 3-4?
(I don't see him as a NT)

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Playing Suh in a 3-4 would be a complete waste IMO. A BAD idea. I don't see him as a NT either Freddy.

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If we want to switch to a 3-4, we should really wait until next year to do it. we have too many problems with our offense to worry about completely overhauling our defense in the same offseason. i voted for a 4-3/3-4 hybrid. stick with the 4-3 as our base package this year, but incorporate a fair amount of 3-4 to get some of our players more acclimated to it. Any defensive front 7 players we pick up in free agency or the draft this year should be able to fit in both systems.

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[quote=Lotus;654922]In the poll two people have voted so far for "other." What is the other? An Okie 5-2? A wide tackle 6? A 46? Just curious.[/quote]

I answered "other" for the 46. In a way I was joking, because it's hard to pull-off, but in another way I'd like to see us pull it off. It's a dominant run-stopping defense, which in my eyes, should be the first focus for a defense -- but you've gotta be able to stop the pass as well so you need great and fast DBs.

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How about the 11 defense. 11 sumo wrestlers knock everyone down the second the ball is snapped.

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I am not sure if it has been mentioned, but G Williams used to run a lot of 3-4 looks on third down and other passing situations.

I could see us using a base 4-3 on running downs and switching to the 3-4 look on obvious passing downs to free up more edge rushing options with Orakpo.

Given his conditioning, Haynesworth is only going to play for 2 downs a series anyway, so you can keep him happy and focused on being disruptive in our 4-3 looks.

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[quote=freddyg12;655036]Questions for all:
1) [B]If Suh is available[/B], do we take him? I say yes, best player in draft.
2) What impact will that have on 4-3 v. 3-4?
(I don't see him as a NT)[/quote]

Suh won't get past Detroit or Tampa Bay unless he blows out his knee in the combine, commits a crime between now and the draft, or tests positive for all drugs known to man.

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[quote=Ruhskins;655144]Suh won't get past Detroit or Tampa Bay unless he blows out his knee in the combine, commits a crime between now and the draft, or tests positive for all drugs known to man.[/quote]

all at the same time too!

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[quote=53Fan;655043]Playing Suh in a 3-4 would be a complete waste IMO. A BAD idea. I don't see him as a NT either Freddy.[/quote]

Theres only one pure nosetackle in the draft and thats Terrance Cody. It's had to find guys right now in this class that weigh more then 310 pounds on the D-Line.

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Cody was built to be a NT....or a sumo wrestler. :)

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[quote=53Fan;655154]Cody was built to be a NT....or a sumo wrestler. :)[/quote]

He can move too.

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[quote=Lotus;654922]In the poll two people have voted so far for "other." What is the other? An Okie 5-2? A wide tackle 6? A 46? Just curious.[/quote]
other is the defense the giants used on the swinging gate play :)

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[quote=dmek25;655158]other is the defense the giants used on the swinging gate play :)[/quote]

:laughing- The "Shut the Gate" defense?

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[quote=Redskin301;655257]I'd love a 43 34 hybrid D[/quote]

That is what I want.
Going 3-4 as our base would be mistake.

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I think hastlett will run somkind of hybrid of a 4-3 3-4 and maybie som 4-4 that's sound good to me

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[quote=Dirtbag359;655146]Theres only one pure nosetackle in the draft and thats Terrance Cody. It's had to find guys right now in this class that weigh more then 310 pounds on the D-Line.[/quote]

Cody isnt the only goog NT in the draft,some of the draft boards have

Dan Williams NT Tennesse rated #1...Anybody know where hes slotted

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;655338]Cody isnt the only goog NT in the draft,some of the draft boards have

Dan Williams NT Tennesse rated #1...Anybody know where hes slotted[/quote]

He's 311 pounds? Seems a little light for a pure nosetackle (you at least want a guy to be around 325 pounds), but Scouts Inc doesn't have a full review out on him yet. Then again Jay Ratliff is 303 pounds so you never know.

Nevertheless Williams is currently graded out as a first round prospect.

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Lets just run the 5-2 defense and get it over with. It's like the 3-4 but the OLB's are DE's. You play 3 DT's and keep AH from being the NT to keep him happy. It would look like this.

McIntosh & Fletcher at LB

RE Carter, DT Haynesworth, NT Daniels/Montgomery, DT Griffin, LE Orakpo

We would play to the strength of our defense which is the defensive line by keeping our best players on the field. Orakpo would have his hand back in the dirt most of the time. We would cover up our lack of depth at LB. Just like the 3-4 we could drop D-Linemen into zones, run stunts etc. I think that it is a good fit but then again what do I know? I'm just a fan with some football coaching books, a dream, and a keyboard.

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[quote=Angry;655355]Lets just run the 5-2 defense and get it over with. It's like the 3-4 but the OLB's are DE's. You play 3 DT's and keep AH from being the NT to keep him happy. It would look like this.

McIntosh & Fletcher at LB

RE Carter, DT Haynesworth, NT Daniels/Montgomery, DT Griffin, LE Orakpo

We would play to the strength of our defense which is the defensive line by keeping our best players on the field. Orakpo would have his hand back in the dirt most of the time. We would cover up our lack of depth at LB. Just like the 3-4 we could drop D-Linemen into zones, run stunts etc. I think that it is a good fit but then again what do I know? I'm just a fan with some football coaching books, a dream, and a keyboard.[/quote]

Yeah, I like your idea of a 5-2, but heres the problem with that/why you havent seen it in the NFL; the NFL is a copy cat league, so therefore the 34 and 43 defense is in. Also, with a 52 your leaving 6 in coverage, some teams play with 3 down lineman and 8 guys in coverage, and still can't get the ball. Also if you play a team like Tennessee or Dallas, the QB can always drop back and roll out of the pocket and run. But other than those reasons, ya I've always wondered why there aren't any 5-2 defenses in college or pro football.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;655409]Yeah, I like your idea of a 5-2, but heres the problem with that/why you havent seen it in the NFL; the NFL is a copy cat league, so therefore the 34 and 43 defense is in. [B]Also, with a 52 your leaving 6 in coverage[/B], some teams play with 3 down lineman and 8 guys in coverage, and still can't get the ball. Also if you play a team like Tennessee or Dallas, the QB can always drop back and roll out of the pocket and run. But other than those reasons, ya I've always wondered why there aren't any 5-2 defenses in college or pro football.[/quote]

Not necessarily, like I said before you can always drop a defensive lineman into coverage just like with the 34. Also if you get enough pressure it really doesn't matter who is open. As far as scrambling QB's are concerned you can always spy them. I would not run this defense exclusively, but on most 1st and 2nd downs and in obvious running situations.

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I"m for any defense that makes critical stops in the 4th quarter and causes the occasional turnover.

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[quote=perez24;655431]I"m for any defense that makes critical stops in the 4th quarter and causes the occasional turnover.[/quote]

You mean the opposite of the Greg Blache defense?

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did we get any turnovers this past season? It sure didin't seem like it!