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[quote=Longtimefan;599588]Smack, for starters he should/could first consider hiring a credible GM to head-up the day to day operation of the team. As a matter of fact, there's a good man waiting for a call that he fired 10 yrs. ago, and despite that fact I believe he'd still be willing to come back and work for the organization.

He should not be selecting players for the team even though it's his team. He's a marketing executive picking football players, I must be missing something because I don't see the connection. He even admitted he made a mistake in firing Casserly, no better time than now to rectify the mistake.[/quote]

And WHOEVER he hires, DON'T GIVE THEM TONS OF MONEY!...If it stops becoming about the money then esteemed coaches/GM's can start making decisions that are not based on huge sums of cash.

Bottom line...the next person that comes in should be in a financial situation where a large amount of money will not dictate/influence their pending professional decisions.

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[quote=SmootSmack;599592]I don't follow[/quote]

How many assistant coaches are here from the Gibbs and Gregg Williams era? Probably half is the answer.

Snyder even said himself that he wanted to keep the Gibbs coaching staff largely in place because the team "was close". Well...we are obviously not close and now we should be cleaning the remenants of Vinny Cerrato & Joe Gibbs 2.0 and setting up new GM in place for HIS hire of a new coach and staff.

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[quote=Lotus;599589]Everyone here has been talking about Danny's actions as owners. It is easy, from this, to come up with pro-Snyder and anti-Snyder arguments.

But what everyone is missing is attitude rather than actions. By "attitude" I do not mean to question whether or not Danny wants the Redskins to win, as he clearly does.

Rather, what I mean when it comes to attitude is, "in what manner does he express his desire to win?" That is, it seems to me that Snyder must go about expressing his desire to win in mistaken ways, because the biggest problem with the Redskins for years has been team culture. Players and coaches have come and gone since DS took over, but what has not changed is team fire to win or team professionalism. Since DS took over the team repeatedly has not shown up for games, apart from a few exceptional instances. The team culture seems to be one where players expect to get accountability passes when they don't show up for games. Such a culture begins at the top.

So I personally don't criticize Snyder for personnel moves, since he seems to be less involved than he used to be. I don't criticize him for free spending on players or gouging fans for money. I don't criticize him for lack of desire to win. I criticize him for creating a team culture in which underachievement is the rule.[/quote]

Your last sentence sounds erily simular to what Tony Dungy said on NBC Sunday night. I agree it is a culture thing.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;599595]How many assistant coaches are here from the Gibbs and Gregg Williams era? Probably half is the answer.

Snyder even said himself that he wanted to keep the Gibbs coaching staff largely in place because the team "was close". Well...we are obviously not close and now we should be cleaning the remenants of Gibbs 2.0 and setting up new GM in place for HIS hire of a new coach and staff.[/quote]

Well I wasn't talking about the coaches, I was talking about the scouts

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[quote=SmootSmack;599582]We'll probably end up with Shanahan or Cowher in full control. And that will make everyone thrilled because it's not Cerrato. But it ignores the fact that Shanahan has been a terrible general manager and Cowher has never even been one.

Cerrato has done a lot in revamping the front office and scouting department the past two off-seasons and has done a decent job in the draft with the picks he has had to work with. The onus is on him entirely for the Taylor trade but it wasn't VC that pushed for the Redskins to send multiple picks for Duckett and Lloyd.

The smartest thing for the Redskins to do in my opinion (short of bringing Marty back!!! :) ) is to promote the well-regarded and respected Morocco Brown to General Manager and keep the scouting staff largely in tact.[/quote]
I agree that VC has improved or at least given the illusion of doing so. BUT, if we promote the legendary Morocco, we still have JZ, and I am not sure he can get "it" if ever? To be fair, how many asst's need to go?

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[quote=Hog1;599600]I agree that VC has improved or at least given the illusion of doing so. BUT, if we promote the legendary Morocco, we still have JZ, and I am not sure he can get "it" if ever? To be fair, how many asst's need to go?[/quote]

Well yeah I would send Zorn on his way, or at the least force him to hire a proven play caller.

Brown isn't tied to Zorn

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[quote=SmootSmack;599598]Well I wasn't talking about the coaches, I was talking about the scouts[/quote]

I hear that, but Cerrato put that scouting staff together. I really don't want any Vinny remenants leftover in the club after he is gone.

Vinny just symbolizes Snyder's hands in operations to me.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;599603]I hear that, but Cerrato put that scouting staff together. I really don't want any Vinny remenants leftover in the club after he is gone.

Vinny just symbolizes Snyder's hands in operations to me.[/quote]

I see. So just fire every front office exec and scout that Vinny and Gibbs brought in over the past few years? Just totally clean house?

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[quote=Skinny Tee;599594]And WHOEVER he hires, DON'T GIVE THEM TONS OF MONEY!...If it stops becoming about the money then esteemed coaches/GM's can start making decisions that are not based on huge sums of cash.

Bottom line...the next person that comes in should be in a financial situation where a large amount of money will not dictate/influence their pending professional decisions.[/quote]


Interesting you say that, and that's one of the reasons I brought up Casserly. Here's a man who used to sleep at Redskin Park like Gibbs often did, started out working for free and throughly committed to his work. That's a dedicated individual who obviously loved the team and what he was doing, and the kind of committment noticeably missing since his departure.

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[quote=Longtimefan;599605]Interesting you say that, and that's one of the reasons I brought up Casserly. Here's a man who used to sleep at Redskin Park like Gibbs often did, started out working for free and throughly committed to his work. That's a dedicated individual who obviously loved the team and what he was doing, and the kind of committment noticeably missing since his departure.[/quote]

I think both Casserly and Bruce Allen will always serve as consultants/advisors, whatever you want to call it to Snyder. But I'd be surprised to see either employed by him.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;599556]Snyder isn't a bad owner, but he is too much like Jones. Thing is Jones owns "America's team" so he doesn't get as much heat as Snyder. Those 3 Lombardis don't hurt either!!! Snyder needs to find a young guy like Shwartz. An accomplished assistant with a plan, a system, along with letting him and his scouts acquire the talent to fit the system. Our roster is filled with accomplished skilled players that were drafted for Gibbs 2.0. Zorn probably will never see the day when his roster has guys compatible with the WCO!![/quote]Snyder could have just hired Schwartz. Reportedly, he was going to, then delayed, and then Schwartz pulled his name.

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[quote=SmootSmack;599604]I see. So just fire every front office exec and scout that Vinny and Gibbs brought in over the past few years? Just totally clean house?[/quote]

Anything that has to do with decisions that Cerrato and Snyder have previously made to our on field playing personnel and ancillary staff...out the door.

Fantastic wish I know but would at least prove to me that maybe postive change was coming as opposed to same old regime tactics.


Also interested in why you like the scouting staff this much? I'm not clubbing them by any means but in the vein that they've done nothing wrong, they really haven't gotten too much right...Horton was a good find.

TJ Duckett and Lloyd aside, our O-line goes belly up at the end of last year (after our 6-2 start) and we prove we have no O-Line depth. They don't shore it up with players and then we experience R. Thomas going down for the year in Week 2. Not the prepardness I would expect from a crack scouting staff.

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[quote=SmootSmack;599606]I think both Casserly and Bruce Allen will always serve as consultants/advisors, whatever you want to call it to Snyder. But I'd be surprised to see either employed by him.[/quote]


You're probably right, but Cassrely is out there and I just mentioned him because he is. It could be a number of qualified people.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;599608]Anything that has to do with decisions that Cerrato and Snyder have previously made to our on field playing personnel and ancillary staff...out the door.

Fantastic wish I know but would at least prove to me that maybe postive change was coming as opposed to same old regime tactics.


Also interested in why you like the scouting staff this much? I'm not clubbing them by any means but in the vein that they've done nothing wrong, they really haven't gotten too much right...Horton was a good find.

TJ Duckett and Lloyd aside, our O-line goes belly up at the end of last year (after our 6-2 start) and we prove we have no O-Line depth. They don't shore it up with players and then we experience R. Thomas going down for the year in Week 2. Not the prepardness I would expect from a crack scouting staff.[/quote]

It's up to Cerrato and the coaches to decide who we select. It's up to the scouts, Scott Campbell, and Mo Brown to find players for them to choose from.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/523135-post23.html[/url]

The decision to go after or not go after offensive linemen is not the responsibility of anyone but Cerrato, Zorn, Snyder and in this particular example Bugel (with possibly Eric Schaffer tossed in due to his role in the salary cap)

The scouts under Scott Campbell are the ones who find a Marko Mitchell in the 7th round. They don't decide if he's drafted. The scouts under Morocco Brown are the ones who find a Dominique Dorsey (for lack of a better example) right now. They don't decide if we sign him.

I think you just want change for the sake of change, meaning anything even remotely associated with Cerrato you want gone. But realistically I don't see that being of much benefit to us to just completely tear the entire organization down. Make changes at the top, sure. But we have several good scouts (which I don't believe we did when Gibbs joined) that we are better off holding on to, in my opinion.

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[quote=SmootSmack;599612]It's up to Cerrato and the coaches to decide who we select. It's up to the scouts, Scott Campbell, and Mo Brown to find players for them to choose from.

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/523135-post23.html[/URL]

The decision to go after or not go after offensive linemen is not the responsibility of anyone but Cerrato, Zorn, Snyder and in this particular example Bugel (with possibly Eric Schaffer tossed in due to his role in the salary cap)

The scouts under Scott Campbell are the ones who find a Marko Mitchell in the 7th round. They don't decide if he's drafted. The scouts under Morocco Brown are the ones who find a Dominique Dorsey (for lack of a better example) right now. They don't decide if we sign him.

I think you just want change for the sake of change, meaning anything even remotely associated with Cerrato you want gone. But realistically I don't see that being of much benefit to us to just completely tear the entire organization down. Make changes at the top, sure. But we have several good scouts (which I don't believe we did when Gibbs joined) that we are better off holding on to, in my opinion.[/quote]

It's funny...in a lot of your posts I hear you propagate the scouts. I'm starting to think you have a vested interest in the scouting department. Are you on the staff? : )

I'm aware of the whole scouting to GM aspect but even players like Reinhart in the 3rd Round turned out shaky and you could possibly cite our WR group from 08 who have been getting shown up by people drafted after them like D. Jackson and E. Royal...(just citing performance and not physical stature reason as to why we didn't select them.)

I really couldn't tell you how the individual scouting of our current staff affects our on field performance but, to me by perception, it seems like if they had any Cerrato ties then it wouldn't be that big of a big loss...especially when even Cerrato wouldn't even give them a chance to show their worth due to trading away high draft picks.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;599614]It's funny...in a lot of your posts I hear you propagate the scouts. I'm starting to think you have a vested interest in the scouting department. Are you on the staff? : )[/quote]

Yeah that's it. My uncle is a scout for the Redskins...

[quote]Yeah, I'm aware of the whole scouting to GM aspect but even players like Reinhart in the 3rd Round turned out shaky and you could possibly cite our WR group from 08 who have been getting shown up by people drafted after them like D. Jackson and E. Royal...(just citing performance and not physical stature reason as to why we didn't select them.)[/quote]

Still too early to write off the receivers or Rinehart. Though I know we all desperately want to because of Jackson and Royal. I didn't realize Jackson and Royal were the only players drafted that year outside of the Redskins' picks.

[quote]I really couldn't tell you how the individual scouting of our current staff affects our on field performance but, to me by perception, it seems like if they had any Cerrato ties then it wouldn't be that big of a big loss...especially when even Cerrato wouldn't even give them a chance to show their worth due to trading away high draft picks.[/quote]

How many high draft picks has Cerrato really traded?

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[quote=SmootSmack;599582]We'll probably end up with Shanahan or Cowher in full control. And that will make everyone thrilled because it's not Cerrato. But it ignores the fact that Shanahan has been a terrible general manager and Cowher has never even been one.

Cerrato has done a lot in revamping the front office and scouting department the past two off-seasons and has done a decent job in the draft with the picks he has had to work with. The onus is on him entirely for the Taylor trade but it wasn't VC that pushed for the Redskins to send multiple picks for Duckett and Lloyd.

[B]The smartest thing for the Redskins to do in my opinion (short of bringing Marty back!!! :) ) is to promote the well-regarded and respected Morocco Brown to General Manager and keep the scouting staff largely in tact[/B].[/quote]

Beathard baby, [B]BEATHARD[/B]!!!!!!

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[quote=beemnsevenspop;599617]Beathard baby, [B]BEATHARD[/B]!!!!!![/quote]

For real, I know I can't be the only one who thinks the point at which the team really fell apart was when Bobby left, not when Joe did.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;599557]Debbie Downers? Good one. I thought you said Snyder was the problem this morning. I guess this afternoon, that changed?[/quote]

That was a different thread. This one started off more as a joke and quickly turned into your typical Snyder hating 101.

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[quote=SmootSmack;599615]Yeah that's it. My uncle is a scout for the Redskins...

Still too early to write off the receivers or Rinehart. Though I know we all desperately want to because of Jackson and Royal. I didn't realize Jackson and Royal were the only players drafted that year outside of the Redskins' picks.

How many high draft picks has Cerrato really traded?[/quote]

Really?...Your uncle is a scout for the Skins?...Or am I being gulliable?

Jackson and Royal are just the receivers I can think of from the top of my head that are out performing our 2 WR's drafted before them. I'm sure there is more. Just the fact with our roster and percieved Super Bowl push with Gibbs leftover roster, we needed to hit on either of those the year they were drafted. Jackson and Royal hit but we didn't hit with either and had even had to deal with predisposed injury with Kelly.

Cerrato traded 2nd rounder for Taylor...given...We didn't have a 4th this year...I guess I'm basing it off of the fact that we haven't had our full line of draft picks every year.

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a cell phone trick can make you like a guy, but that's not running a football team

same with zorn's swiss ball drills vs coaching a team

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SS, one of the points you've brought up before is the expectations of the fanbase... which in turn may affect organizational direction. As Redskin fans, are we able to support a rebuilding effort that includes a youth movement everywhere and a sacrifice of two or three really awful years (results-wise, not necessarily growth-wise)?

The team seems to have this teetering balance b/t drafting where we still have picks and supplementing a few holes with big FAs every offseason. Silly contracts are handed out to new guys, but productive mainstays (like Sellars) have to fight for a decent extension. The up-and-coming guys I would have loved to see as head coaches here go elsewhere (Payton, Spags, etc). It's one thing when former players trash talk the organization when they leave (Pierce, LA)... it's another when one of the "core" guys like Jansen leave with bad feelings (although it definitely made business sense to let him go, I get the notion his dismissal wasn't as classy as his Redskins career was).

While DS has done everything he's believed he could to help the team win, a culture has been created to where some coordinators aren't as quick to jump at an opportunity to head coach here, some current players don't feel rewarded for their efforts and some just leave with bad tastes in their mouths. Going back to the fanbase thing, I'm not so sure Snyder is willing to sacrifice profits for a few seasons getting this thing sorted out. I hope it's not too late.

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[quote=Mattyk72;599620]That was a different thread. This one started off more as a joke and quickly turned into your typical Snyder hating 101.[/quote]

First it was just kind of pointing out the close relationship that he has with Jerry Jones and that fact that they go on vacations with each other and share vacation homes between the families. Snyder also makes a point to sit next to Jerry Jones during the owners meetings too.

It's great that cowboys and redskins can get along but really...I possess some MAJOR distaste for Jerry Jones and the whole cowboys organization. Hearing that it's just a business that they're pals just kind of rubs salt in the wound that the cowboys are more competitive than we are.

I thought others would be disgusted by the fact that Snyder pretty much loves him some cowboys...the rivalry doesn't mean much to him at the top.

From the bottom I don't take solace in finding that out.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;599628]First it was just kind of pointing out the close relationship that he has with Jerry Jones and that fact that they go on vacations with each other and share vacation homes between the families. Snyder also makes a point to sit next to Jerry Jones during the owners meetings too.

It's great that cowboys and redskins can get along but really...I possess some MAJOR distaste for Jerry Jones and the whole cowboys organization. Hearing that it's just a business that they're pals just kind of rubs salt in the wound that the cowboys are more competitive than we are.

I thought others would be disgusted by the fact that Snyder pretty much loves him some cowboys...the rivalry doesn't mean much to him at the top.

From the bottom I don't take solace in finding that out.[/quote]

Meh, you can be friends with someone but also be respectful rivals.

The league ownership circle is pretty tight, there's only 32 of them in the world. They have to work together on a lot of issues and naturally there's going to be some relationships there even between rivals. That's not to say Danny doesn't want to own them on gamedays.

It's fun to hate on people you don't know, but for all we know Jerry could be a decent guy. Just saying. And why are the Cowboys more competitive than we are if Snyder and Jones are pals??

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[quote=Mattyk72;599629]Meh, you can be friends with someone but also be respectful rivals.

The league ownership circle is pretty tight, there's only 32 of them in the world. They have to work together on a lot of issues and naturally there's going to be some relationships there even between rivals. That's not to say Danny doesn't want to own them on gamedays.[/quote]

But if you have a competitive rivalry there's just some things that you don't do with your rival.

Vacationing with them should be one of them. What other thing can you do with someone that is more initimate than vacationing with them???...Driving someone to the airport pales in the comparasion to that.

If are constantly getting worked by your competitive rival and still so happy to see them something is wrong. In that same position I would not be all smiles with my competitive arch rival.

...If I was Jerry Jones I would because he has nothing to uneasy about...I can at least see why he doesn't care that they are such good friends.

...like Jerry Jones says in the article..."The numbers are there"

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[quote=SmootSmack;599582]We'll probably end up with Shanahan or Cowher in full control. And that will make everyone thrilled because it's not Cerrato. But it ignores the fact that Shanahan has been a terrible general manager and Cowher has never even been one.

Cerrato has done a lot in revamping the front office and scouting department the past two off-seasons and has done a decent job in the draft with the picks he has had to work with. The onus is on him entirely for the Taylor trade but it wasn't VC that pushed for the Redskins to send multiple picks for Duckett and Lloyd.

The smartest thing for the Redskins to do in my opinion (short of bringing Marty back!!! :) ) is to promote the well-regarded and respected Morocco Brown to General Manager and keep the scouting staff largely in tact.[/quote]


This is the last statement I'm going to make on this subject, but just one thing on the Jason Taylor trade.

For me it was not so much the trade itself, rather the reason Cerrato gave to reporters in an interview when asked why he made it. He said [quote] "The morale of the team in the lockeroom went thud and felt he needed to do something to inflate the teams spirits after the loss of Daniels" [unquote]. Now you may beg to disagree and I won't fault you for doing so, but don't you feel that to be a rather odd reason for trading away what could possibly have turned out to be a starting player here for years to come? We're talking about a 37yr. old DE with diminishing returns being the reason for a decision that could so drastically affect the way you draft for the future. Hard to believe a player so far to the downside of his career could have such an impact on your lockeroom.

This is just one example of why the leadership of this team should not be trusted to people blessed with such shallow insight, plus Jason Taylor was never going to be a good fit for the defense.

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[quote=Longtimefan;599637]This is the last statement I'm going to make on this subject, but just one thing on the Jason Taylor trade.[/quote]

[quote]For me it was not so much the trade itself, rather the reason Cerrato gave to reporters in an interview when asked why he made it. He said [B]"The morale of the team in the lockeroom went thud and felt he needed to do something to inflate the teams spirits after the loss of Daniels"[/B]. Now you may beg to disagree and I won't fault you for doing so, but don't you feel that to be a rather odd reason for trading away what could possibly have turned out to be a starting player here for years to come? We're talking about a 37yr. old DE with diminishing returns being the reason for a decision that could so drastically affect the way you draft for the future. Hard to believe a player so far to the downside of his career could have such an impact on your lockeroom.

This is just one example of why the leadership of this team should not be trusted to people blessed with such shallow insight, plus Jason Taylor was never going to be a good fit for the defense.[/quote]

Another interesting thing about that quote is, isn't that something your coach should be responsible for? Isn't that why head coaches are in the position they are because they improve facets of the team like morale?

And being that he was in charge of the Zorn hiring he's basically saying "The coach I brought in isn't good enough to inspire confidence in the depleted team I left him"


There are so many points of failure just in that one statement alone...good point out LongTimeFan.

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I'm not defending Snyder by any means for some of his choices and decisions. I feel like he wants to win, above all things. He is a good/great businessman but seems to lack a lot of common decency and respect for the everyman.

I took a look from a football standpoint as his record in comparison to those I consider his peers, owners who took control of their teams between 1995-2002. You may be surprised how he stacks up in winning percentage and head coaches (not including interim coaches).

[B]Robert Kraft (1994) 152-82, 65.8% winning percentage (3 Super Bowl wins, 5 Super Bowl appearances, 3 head coaches)
Jeff Lurie (1994) 137-103-1, 57.3% winning percentage (1 Super Bowl appearance, 3 head coaches)
Malcolm Glazer (1995) 113-111-1, 50.6% winning percentage (1 Super Bowl win, 1 Super Bowl appearance, 4 head coaches)
Paul Allen (1997) 101-101, 50% winning percentage (1 Super Bowl appearance, 3 head coaches)
Dan Snyder (1999) 76-84, 47.5% winning percentage (5 head coaches)
John York (2000) 60-84, 41.6% winning percentage (4 head coaches)
Woody Johnson (2000) 71-73, 49.3% winning percentage (4 head coaches)
Arthur Blank (2002) 55-73, 42.9% winning percentage (4 head coaches)
Al Lerner (2002) 42-86, 32.8% winning percentage (4 head coaches)[/B]

Snyder doesn't have us where we should be or want us to be, but one of the things that it seems is that he's not as bad as portrayed nationally or locally. It's ironic that we never hear about a quick trigger for York, Johnson, Blank or Lerner but they've changed coaches at a similar or higher rate than Snyder.

Hopefully the next move he makes will be to bring in a President of Football Operations to evaluate and determine the course for our franchises future.

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I'm all for bringing back Casserly or giving Morocco Brown a chance even though he's unproven but has been identified as a smart talent evaluator. Maybe Brown could turn out to be like Jerry Reese, who I think is currently the best young GM in the business.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;599631]But if you have a competitive rivalry there's just some things that you don't do with your rival.

Vacationing with them should be one of them. What other thing can you do with someone that is more initimate than vacationing with them???...Driving someone to the airport pales in the comparasion to that.

If are constantly getting worked by your competitive rival and still so happy to see them something is wrong. In that same position I would not be all smiles with my competitive arch rival.

...If I was Jerry Jones I would because he has nothing to uneasy about...I can at least see why he doesn't care that they are such good friends.

...like Jerry Jones says in the article..."The numbers are there"[/quote]


The rivalry is pretty much gone dude. It is pretty hard to maintain rivalry status when it has been one sided for such a long time, plus it hasn't meant that much like when Gibbs and Landry were going at it. You have to remember, it is pretty much a business anymore, and that in itself has hurt both the college and pro game. If the game isn't being played you are subjected to constant commercialism, etc. Once you keep that in mind then the Jones/Snyder thing isn't so hard to fathom. To them money is the bottom line. They rely on you to care about things like the rivalry, etc, to keep the money flowing.

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The rivalry will never die. We've split with them the past few years including a sweep in 2005.

That means it's Skins 5-3 since 2005.

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[quote=Longtimefan;599596]Your last sentence sounds erily simular to what Tony Dungy said on NBC Sunday night. I agree it is a culture thing.[/quote]

No! That means that Dungy likely won't come here.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;599426]Snyder has been receiving a lot of negative backlash after this loss to the Lions. Everyone should lighten up because Snyder isn't such a bad guy. Though it's hard to find some things that ingratiate him right now check out this article from last year.

The cellphone trick he pulls is just hiliarious!...too funny...Snyder's not so bad.

[url=http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/09/28/3673802.htm]It's a rich rivalry for Dallas Cowboys, Redskins owners: Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder are friendly rivals[/url][/quote]

I will lighten up the minute he fires Vinny.

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[quote=Lotus;599658]No! That means that Dungy likely won't come here.[/quote]

Dungy wasn't coming here anyways. He's done with day to day football.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;599654]The rivalry is pretty much gone dude. It is pretty hard to maintain rivalry status when it has been one sided for such a long time, plus it hasn't meant that much like when Gibbs and Landry were going at it. You have to remember, it is pretty much a business anymore, and that in itself has hurt both the college and pro game. If the game isn't being played you are subjected to constant commercialism, etc. Once you keep that in mind then the Jones/Snyder thing isn't so hard to fathom. [B]To them money is the bottom line. They rely on you to care about things like the rivalry, etc, to keep the money flowing[/B].[/quote]

You said it, not me.

If it is about the money than would you say that it's not about winning?

If it is about money than what does winning have to do with anything? If it's about money than what does a competitive rivalry have to do wiith anything?

Unfortunately I believe that you're right when you say the rivalry is nothing to them because it's about their bottom line.

...It's not out of the question though to say that you can put the rivalry and winning in the same category and THAT is why I'm really disgruntled with the fact that Snyder and Jones are best pals.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;599622]Really?...Your uncle is a scout for the Skins?...Or am I being gulliable?

Jackson and Royal are just the receivers I can think of from the top of my head that are out performing our 2 WR's drafted before them. I'm sure there is more. Just the fact with our roster and percieved Super Bowl push with Gibbs leftover roster, we needed to hit on either of those the year they were drafted. Jackson and Royal hit but we didn't hit with either and had even had to deal with predisposed injury with Kelly.

Cerrato traded 2nd rounder for Taylor...given...We didn't have a 4th this year...I guess I'm basing it off of the fact that we haven't had our full line of draft picks every year.[/quote]

You're gullible

I think for every time we bring up DeSean Jackson we should also bring up James Hardy

Re: Lighten Up On Snyder
 

[quote=Longtimefan;599637]This is the last statement I'm going to make on this subject, but just one thing on the Jason Taylor trade.

For me it was not so much the trade itself, rather the reason Cerrato gave to reporters in an interview when asked why he made it. He said [quote] "The morale of the team in the lockeroom went thud and felt he needed to do something to inflate the teams spirits after the loss of Daniels" [unquote]. Now you may beg to disagree and I won't fault you for doing so, but don't you feel that to be a rather odd reason for trading away what could possibly have turned out to be a starting player here for years to come? We're talking about a 37yr. old DE with diminishing returns being the reason for a decision that could so drastically affect the way you draft for the future. Hard to believe a player so far to the downside of his career could have such an impact on your lockeroom.

This is just one example of why the leadership of this team should not be trusted to people blessed with such shallow insight, plus Jason Taylor was never going to be a good fit for the defense.[/quote]

Strong points. Taylor was ultimately a mistake because he's a pass rusher and Daniels is a run stopping DE. However, he is very influential in the locker room. Teammates look up to him. And the notion that the responsibility to motivate should fall entirely on the coach is highly inaccurate. Ask the Ravens how the locker room would feel if Ray Lewis is gone for the year or how the Bears felt when Brian Urlacher was injured and lost for the year

Re: Lighten Up On Snyder
 

Being upset that Snyder and Jerry Jones are friends is one of the more ridiculous arguments I have ever heard. That's just desperation to find any reason to hate Snyder. This isn't kindergarten.

Re: Lighten Up On Snyder
 

[quote=SmootSmack;599670]Being upset that Snyder and Jerry Jones are friends is one of the more ridiculous arguments I have ever heard. That's just desperation to find any reason to hate Snyder. This isn't kindergarten.[/quote]

I give up.

Seriously.

Re: Lighten Up On Snyder
 

[quote=SmootSmack;599670]Being upset that Snyder and Jerry Jones are friends is one of the more ridiculous arguments I have ever heard. That's just desperation to find any reason to hate Snyder. This isn't kindergarten.[/quote]

Oh boy...I got the Snyder & Jones hate running all through me...and if that is childish then so be it.

It's also childish to wear my favorite team's football jersey and to loudly cheer them on Sundays but I find time to do that.

The simple point is Snyder could care less about a rivalry or remaining competitive against NFL teams...it all seems to come back to the money...it's hard to agrue that as childish.