Like celts32 said, starting Ramsey after the bye makes a bit more sense because he'll have the extra prep time.

The #1 problem is the O-line. The main reason for this is the loss of Jansen, especially since Brunell is a lefty. His blind-side protection is practically non-existant, hence 3 sack/fumbles taken in for TD's. So with Ramsey in there, at least we'd have our pro-bowl tackle Samuels protecting him (yeah, he hasn't been playing at a pro-bowl level the past couple years, but he's still a hell of a lot better than Jones or Brown). Plus, we've had to give them more help from TE's and backs, which we wouldn't have to do quite as much on the other side with Samuels.
Also, as others have said, Ramsey can put the ball down the field. I wouldn't mind a couple INT's deep in their side of the field rather than fumbles in ours. Another thing with Ramsey is that with his strong arm, even for short passes, he can get the ball there much quicker. I don't know how many times I've seen a receiver open, but by the time the ball gets to him, the defensive player has recovered and is right there to make the stop or knock the ball away. Ramsey's quick bullets would help this, at least some of the time.
Another thing others have pointed out is that the running game has sucked, and the downfield threat from Ramsey would help this. Absolutely! This is another thing on the O-line too though. I expected Gibbs to change it up a little more and not have Portis run between the tackles quite as much, but it doesn't look like he has. I also thought they would have studied what Denver did last year, and would "steal" a couple running plays from them for CP to feel more comfortable with, but it doesn't look like they have done this either.
All in all, I think Gibbs will adjust, but right now they just need some kind of spark, and the easiest "quick-fix" to attempt is to put Ramsey in. A thought: Back in '81, Gibbs tried to use his version of "Air Coryell" and failed, so they went to the one-back power running game and started winning. Whereas now, with the personnel we have, the power running game isn't really working, so what about switching to a more downfield approach like the Rams and Chiefs. Just a thought...
On a positive note, I was happy to see them mixing it up by putting Jacobs in there some....although I'd like to see McCants in there too.

Start Ramsey!! NOW!!!!

If I'm Joe Gibbs, I go up to Brunell and say look, this is your last chance. Straight up tell him, if he dosent show some improvement against CHICAGO!! then hes done. I think he should do that. If we look like sh*t in the first half, get Ramsey in there and end this Brunell experiment, and try to win the game. Really I would just rather see Ramsey start, but if Brunell is goinjg to go, I think Gibbs should just be tell Brunell its do or die.

Just what I feared, from today's Michael Wilbon's column in the Washington Post.

I think Mark is a reflection of all of us," Coach Joe Gibbs said of Brunell's play. "We're all together on it. Our offense didn't play well. It was a very good defensive team, but we didn't play well. We haven't been playing well. We have to find a way to make things click for us."

My opinion on this, Brunell will continue to be the guy, unless he as a season ending injury. For those who hope for Ramsey, I would not take any solace in the statement, "We have to find a way to make things click for us." Gibbs is going to stick with Brunell till the bitter end.

Brunell's play [i]is[/i] a reflection of the entire offense, he isn't the sole reason for their struggles and he isn't any more to blame than anyone else right now.

Gibbs will make the switch after the bye if the offense sputters again and we lose against Chicago, bank on it.

see, even when ramsey came in against the giants, and threw the picks, he still got us down the field, gaining big chunks of yards. we got nothing to lose anymore, so get his development started again

[QUOTE=DirtBagZ]Ramsey, no doubt. Unfortunately it is not going to happen. Gibbs is going to stick with Brunell to the bitter end. This could be his first double digit loss season as a coach.[/QUOTE]

I think this post is right on. If you remember back in the '92 season, they were having offensive problems then, too. They went through a stretch of so many games or quarters without an offensive touchdown. The whole time, everyone was calling for Mark Rypien's head -- saying he had to be benched, let someone else try it, blah, blah, blah.

Gibbs stayed with Rypien the whole year. Never lost faith in him. During a Monday Night game, Al Michaels said he talked with Gibbs and asked about Rypien's performance. Gibbs responded by saying, "he's been a little bit off -- [U]just like the rest of us[/U]."

Gibbs won't pull any Spurrier QB merry-go-rounds. He'll stick with Brunell until he starts throwing INTs after INTs. And as bad as Brunell has been, he hasn't COMPLETELY screwed up by giving the ball away like we saw Ramsey do against the Giants. That's Brunell's only saving grace.

Brunell has been ineffective, but Ramsey would probably be even worse. That's why you aren't seeing #11 warm up on the sidelines. Still, I would say that at this point, you might as well give it to Ramsey to see once and for all what you've got. But Gibbs won't do that. He had no problem during all those years letting rookie quarterbacks hold the clipboard for season after season before handing him the reigns. I suspect he'll follow the same pattern for Ramsey.

I do think we will see a first round draft pick on QB next year.

i reckon all the qb's in dc stink, time to look fer a new one next yeras

[QUOTE=denim_monger]i reckon all the qb's in dc stink, time to look fer a new one next yeras[/QUOTE]

Whatever.

As for other posts.... REACTION!

I'm with Matty, Beems when I say that its not all Brunells fault. I really hate to throw this all on his shoulders, but hes just making bad mistakes, and isnt what he used to be. I'm sorry that he's getting all the backlash, its not really desereved, but he is the only offensive player that isnt in our longterm plans. At this point, maybe Ramsey will catch lightning in a bottle and spark our offense, but really we just have to prepare him to be the guy next year. GOD I HATE SAYING NEXT YEAR AFTER WEEK 5!! Our offense has been that bad though. I say let Ramsey toss it down the feild, and hopefully complete a few at the begining of the games, so teams will respect the pass, and Portis can run.

Brunell just dosent have the confidence anymore, he still has some things Ramsey dosent, but I dont think the risk is worth the reward at this point. I want to see Ramsey out there, I've cheered for Brunell all five weeks, but its over. This isnt just a quick reaction either, I've thought about this all night and all day today, and he just isnt very good anymore. I'm on a rant, so I'm out.

[QUOTE=Big C]see, even when ramsey came in against the giants, and threw the picks, he still got us down the field, gaining big chunks of yards. we got nothing to lose anymore, so get his development started again[/QUOTE]

Exactly, when Ramsey came in he moved the offense up and down the field like offenses are supposed to do. So, he through 3 INT's.... big deal. He MOVED the friggin' offense. Brunell has not thrown many INT's but he's been extremely lucky in that several defenders have dropped easy INT's. He threw it directly to Ray Lewis last night and he just dropped it. Deion Sanders.......I repeat DEION SANDERS picked off Brunell last night!!! Brunell QB rating vs. Ravens 49.1

i think the poll needs a new option, bench em all and get a new qb next year hahahaha

[QUOTE=denim_monger]i think the poll needs a new option, bench em all and get a new qb next year hahahaha[/QUOTE]

:rolleyes:

I think the bottom line is this: Starting Ramsey can't be any worse than what we have seen so far. So what if he gets a couple more picks? He has the ability to move the ball downfield and odds are that we will score more TD's because of that....passing and rushing because the downfield threat also opens up the running game for Portis.
Brunell just doesn't seem comfortable, and after five games, the offense should be improving, not regressing like it is.

[quote]And as bad as Brunell has been, he hasn't COMPLETELY screwed up by giving the ball away like we saw Ramsey do against the Giants. That's Brunell's only saving grace.[/quote]

ramsey's picks where way downfield, brunell's inability to move down the field means his mistakes (or his blockers mistakes) cost points... lots and lots of points...

[QUOTE=denim_monger]i think the poll needs a new option, bench em all and get a new qb next year hahahaha[/QUOTE]

Wow, that's really smart. You must have gone to school for a whole two weeks to come up with that one.

[QUOTE=denim_monger]i think the poll needs a new option, bench em all and get a new qb next year hahahaha[/QUOTE

Buy a book on simple grammar. It'll help you buddy.

geeze whats witht he denim monger bashing...

[QUOTE=denim_monger]i think the poll needs a new option, bench em all and get a new qb next year hahahaha[/QUOTE]

Thank you for your incredible insight

can't you just ban the ip and get on things... or add an ignore option?

i see it both ways, we need a change and throw a different look at opponets D. i think ramsey can stretch the field better as he did against NY. BUT.... i as well think he will cause much more TO's for the offense. Brunells seems to hold on the ball better.... atleast when he's not throwing the ball when hit than ramsey. and i think our int's will jump up much higher with ramsey. i think we will gain more of a running attack with ramsey, do to streching the D, and have better downfield passing, but with much more turnovers with him in do to not reading the D as good as brunell. keep in mind, ramsey has three ints in .5 games than brunells two in 4.5.

my overall vote is that we keep brunell in for 3 to 4 more games and if we show more firepower in those games we keep him listed as starter. if no changes come about, then we really need to throw the season to ramsey in hope for more firepower and that he does need to learn sometime, why not when our hopes are pretty much gone for post season?

I think Brunell will start, but from what I saw Sunday night each time he got hit he was getting up slow. I'm for starting Ramsey, but we all know Gibbs won't do that. The only Ramsey will get in a game is if Brunell gets injured. And from what I saw he won't be able to take that many more hits. Not that I'm wishing an injury on Brunell because I want to see him succeed and shut us all up, but the reality is Brunell is getting older and he's not taking hits like he used to. Don't be surprised if we see Ramsey in a couple of weeks.


But right now it doesn't matter who's the QB. We need a win. The o-line needs open up some holes for Portis and we have throw the ball downfield. The Defense as always will do it's job.

I'll be interested to see how long our patience for 'a few picks here and there' from Ramsey lasts if he starts.

I'm not saying he's an INT machine or anything, I'm well aware he only threw 9 last year, but he does tend to throw an INT at very crucial times.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I'll be interested to see how long our patience for 'a few picks here and there' from Ramsey lasts if he starts.

I'm not saying he's an INT machine or anything, I'm well aware he only threw 9 last year, but he does tend to throw an INT at very crucial times.[/QUOTE]

I'll have a lot of patience for Ramsey, he's not about to go into an old age home. He's young and can grow with Gibbs and the team, unlike Brunell.

You might have patience RF, but will everyone else? If he struggles I guarantee it won't be long until cries for Hasselbeck come out.

i will say ramsey has a nice arm but a arm isn't the key to being a good qb

brunel looks old, not as old as gibbs though hello cript keeper lol

MB has done nothing to deserve starting. I have read that PR looks lousy in practice. With that said why not start Tim H.

[QUOTE=irish]MB has done nothing to deserve starting. I have read that PR looks lousy in practice. With that said why not start Tim H.[/QUOTE]


Where did you read that? I haven't read or heard anything about Ramsey being lousy at practice. Just curious to know because you're the first to bring that up..

Hasselbeck won't see the field unless in an emergency situation, and we should all be thankful for that.

We complain about Brunell's arm, well Hasselbeck's is along the same lines.

I heard it on a show on Sports Talk 980.

[QUOTE=irish]I heard it on a show on Sports Talk 980.[/QUOTE]

Really. Ok. I know Bram Weinstein is their beat reporter and he's at all the practices so that could be true.

I thought all the practices were closed to the media, except for the first 10-15 minutes?

[QUOTE=SkinsRock]I thought all the practices were closed to the media, except for the first 10-15 minutes?[/QUOTE]

I think it's closed to the public and [I]some[/I] media. Maybe I'm wrong but usually sportstalk 980 usually has the inside scoop on alot of things.

I trust Gibbs & staff know what's best for the team, so if they choose Brunell over Ramsey, I have to agree with them. What are we all a bunch of Daniel Snyders...?

I think we can all agree that Brunell is not the future, so we will just have to work with what we have for the time being.