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[quote=wolfeskins;597549]i'd like to see charley casserly as the teams gm and cower or gruden as coach. if cower then i'd like to see the defense switch to a 3-4.[/quote]


when will this 3-4 defense crap go away!! Why would you change it?? because its trendy?? We have had top notch defenses the last how many years, that is just ridiculous.

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This is all dream talk. Same ole shit will happen in the off season. Vinny will still be there to attempt to know what the hell he is doing. No matter who the coach is, it will still be a "joint" decision when it comes down to personel. (which means basically Danny boy rules over everyone)

If Danny has some sense, he would go right down 95 and ask Ozzie how much $$ it would take to get him in Washington. That man is a talent guru and finds people in the deepest of forests. Baltimore, no matter who gets hurt, or goes down brings people in and never misses a beat. Even when their leader Ray Ray went down a couple years ago, they were still an imposing defense. We have an injury to anyone one of the starting units and its disaster. Ozzie finds good talent late in the draft, they contribute to the team. Hell our 2nd rounders can't stay on the damn field because they dont know what they are doing.
its becoming really f'n hard to root for this organization year in and year out. Danny and Vinny are running turing this town against them and a once proud organiztion is an embarrasment, the laughing stock of the NFL.

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[quote=#56fanatic;598150]This is all dream talk. Same ole shit will happen in the off season. Vinny will still be there to attempt to know what the hell he is doing. No matter who the coach is, it will still be a "joint" decision when it comes down to personel. (which means basically Danny boy rules over everyone)

If Danny has some sense, he would go right down 95 and ask Ozzie how much $$ it would take to get him in Washington. That man is a talent guru and finds people in the deepest of forests. Baltimore, no matter who gets hurt, or goes down brings people in and never misses a beat. Even when their leader Ray Ray went down a couple years ago, they were still an imposing defense. We have an injury to anyone one of the starting units and its disaster. Ozzie finds good talent late in the draft, they contribute to the team. Hell our 2nd rounders can't stay on the damn field because they dont know what they are doing.
its becoming really f'n hard to root for this organization year in and year out. Danny and Vinny are running turing this town against them and a once proud organiztion is an embarrasment, the laughing stock of the NFL.[/quote]

I wish I could disagree with what you've just said...unfortunately that's actuality in Redskinsland.

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[quote=#56fanatic;598150]This is all dream talk. Same ole shit will happen in the off season. Vinny will still be there to attempt to know what the hell he is doing. No matter who the coach is, it will still be a "joint" decision when it comes down to personel. (which means basically Danny boy rules over everyone)

If Danny has some sense, he would go right down 95 and ask Ozzie how much $$ it would take to get him in Washington. That man is a talent guru and finds people in the deepest of forests. Baltimore, no matter who gets hurt, or goes down brings people in and never misses a beat. Even when their leader Ray Ray went down a couple years ago, they were still an imposing defense. We have an injury to anyone one of the starting units and its disaster. Ozzie finds good talent late in the draft, they contribute to the team. Hell our 2nd rounders can't stay on the damn field because they dont know what they are doing.
its becoming really f'n hard to root for this organization year in and year out. Danny and Vinny are running turing this town against them and a once proud organiztion is an embarrasment, the laughing stock of the NFL.[/quote]

DS only wants enablers around him. He will never hire a tough independent minded coach or GM because they might actually call him out and question him in public.

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I wonder how Charlie Weis would do here as an offensive coordinator?

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[quote=Green1;597539]If Zorn is fired who would you get to replace him? He are my top guys: Cowher, Holmgren, Marriucci, Gruden, Mike Shanahan, Tony Dungy.[/quote]

Call me a homer if you want to, but I like Russ Grimm. I think he would need an offensive coordinator. But, He would get this team fired up to play Detroit and St. Louis. And he hates that team in Texas probably more than most of us do. And certainly more than any of the coaches you mentioned. He'd be a good fit. We'd be playing Redskins Football once again with him here.

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[quote=Miller101;598209]Call me a homer if you want to, but I like Russ Grimm. I think he would need an offensive coordinator. But, [B]He would get this team fired up to play Detroit and St. Louis.[/B] And he hates that team in Texas probably more than most of us do. And certainly more than any of the coaches you mentioned. He'd be a good fit. We'd be playing Redskins Football once again with him here.[/quote]

No he wouldnt. Nobody could. These guys have no heart or motivation to play Redskins football.

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[quote=irish;598212]No he wouldnt. Nobody could. These guys have no heart or motivation to play Redskins football.[/quote]

You should save yourself time and put this as your signature...and you should join the avatar mutiny.

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[quote=irish;598212]No he wouldnt. Nobody could. These guys have no heart or motivation to play Redskins football.[/quote]

Then he would cut them, bench them, or kick the crap out of them. He wouldn't put up with any half ass crap! You know he wouldn't!

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[quote=Miller101;598219]Then he would cut them, bench them, or kick the crap out of them. He wouldn't put up with any half ass crap! You know he wouldn't![/quote]

He wouldnt have a choice because when he tried to cut them or kick their a$$ they'd go to DS an whine & complain and DS would side with the players like he always does. No decent self respecting coach would come here because they know they dont have ultimate authority with the team, the owner does.

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[quote=irish;598246]He wouldnt have a choice because when he tried to cut them or kick their a$$ they'd go to DS an whine & complain and DS would side with the players like he always does. No decent self respecting coach would come here because they know they dont have ultimate authority with the team, the owner does.[/quote]

So what are trying to say then!?!?!? That the stinking sky is falling!?!?? Its not! Remember Lavar Arrington? He whined to Danny Boy and Danny said, "Don't talk to me". Remember Coles? He whined to Danny and Danny offered to buy him a big screen TV so he wouldn't miss any games! LOL!!!

Gibbs did alright when he was here. And gosh dangit Russ can too!

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On NBC's Football Night in America, Dan Patrick, Tony Dungy and Rodney Harrison were discussed the Redskins problems. Here is what they had to say.

[B]Harrison:[/B] "It's many problems dealing with the Washington Redskins. One problem in particular is Jason Campbell, the quarterback. I don't know what they see in this guy. To me, he's a backup quarterback that's been elevated to a starter. He's a guy that's unpredictable. He's inconsistent. He's not a guy that defensive players look at and fear."

[B]Dungy:[/B] "I wouldn't blame it all on the quarterback. He threw for a lot of yards today. They're having trouble scoring. I think it goes to a bigger thing, maybe an organizational thing. It's always new free agents, new players, all-star guys. They need to build a team concept there."

[B]Patrick:[/B] "It seems like Daniel Snyder treats it like it's a fantasy league team. You bring in [Albert] Haynesworth. They were trying to get Sanchez. They're always looking for something different. There's no core there."

[B]Dungy:[/B] "It's not always getting the best players. It's building a good team, building a team that everyone has confidence in, and, right now, they don't have confidence."

I think Dungy knows exactly what's wrong with the Skins. The Skins need to rebuild from Vinny on down. Unfortunately, until they make that type of commitment, they will not be able to retain a quality coach like Dungy, Cowher or Gruden.

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There was a time when I wasn't buying the idea that the Skins needed a GM or that Vinny was the problem. But what I'm starting to see is, even if he isn't, most successful football minded people just won't come here. They see it after a few interviews. So I see no way possible that another coach or drafting good players are the solution. We can't attract the type of leadership it takes to establish a winning culture. The environment is toxic. Coaches can't coach and players aren't motivated. And I think that's what Dan Snyder has been missing.

We'll win some games here and there, but unless Snyder stops tinkering along the margins I don't see a Lombardi coming here for a good while.

But hey, it's his team.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;597552]Maybe that's what people said about Gibbs back in the late 70's early 80's and didn't hire him. Cameron made Gus Frerotte a pro bowler when he was QB coach here in Washington., look at what his done with Flacco.[/quote]

I don't think Cameron is a head coach. He is a good OC that is as much pressure as I would put on the guy. And as far as him being a good guy to work with QBs we def don;t want another coach who is HC OC and QB caoch one to many hats for one guy. Proof is in the pudding we have here currently.

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Yeah we all need to wake up to the fact. That it can;t be done the way it is being done now. Vinny and Danny need a divorce. Dan needs to bring in football guys and leave the team alone. Dan should be worrying about how he is going to make more money not how he can come in and effect the football team.

NO self repsecting good coach will come here to coach under the current management structure. Until this fundamental changes inside the organization we are truly doomed.

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[quote=Miller101;598269]So what are trying to say then!?!?!? That the stinking sky is falling!?!?? Its not! Remember Lavar Arrington? He whined to Danny Boy and Danny said, "Don't talk to me". Remember Coles? He whined to Danny and Danny offered to buy him a big screen TV so he wouldn't miss any games! LOL!!!

Gibbs did alright when he was here. And gosh dangit Russ can too![/quote]

I didnt say the sky is falling, I am only saying that these guys are too comfortable because they know the owner is on their side not the coach's. Grimm isnst Gibbs. DS would lay off Gibbs out of respect but he wouldnt do that with Grimm.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;598282]On NBC's Football Night in America, Dan Patrick, Tony Dungy and Rodney Harrison were discussed the Redskins problems. Here is what they had to say.

[B]Harrison:[/B] "It's many problems dealing with the Washington Redskins. One problem in particular is Jason Campbell, the quarterback. I don't know what they see in this guy. To me, he's a backup quarterback that's been elevated to a starter. He's a guy that's unpredictable. He's inconsistent. He's not a guy that defensive players look at and fear."

[B]Dungy:[/B] "I wouldn't blame it all on the quarterback. He threw for a lot of yards today. They're having trouble scoring. I think it goes to a bigger thing, maybe an organizational thing. It's always new free agents, new players, all-star guys. They need to build a team concept there."

[B]Patrick:[/B] "It seems like Daniel Snyder treats it like it's a fantasy league team. You bring in [Albert] Haynesworth. They were trying to get Sanchez. They're always looking for something different. There's no core there."

[B]Dungy:[/B] "It's not always getting the best players. It's building a good team, building a team that everyone has confidence in, and, right now, they don't have confidence."

I think Dungy knows exactly what's wrong with the Skins. The Skins need to rebuild from Vinny on down. Unfortunately, until they make that type of commitment, they will not be able to retain a quality coach like Dungy, Cowher or Gruden.[/quote]

I totally agree. This teams needs rebuilt. Dungy sees it crystal clear.

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[quote=irish;598311]I totally agree. This teams needs rebuilt. Dungy sees it crystal clear.[/quote]

Yup. The other arguments: it's Zorn, it's Campbell, it's Blache, it's this and that. Totally irrelevant. The guy, whomever that is, we need to take us to the promise land just doesn't want the job.

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[quote=12thMan;598316]Yup. The other arguments: it's Zorn, it's Campbell, it's Blache, it's this and that. Totally irrelevant. The guy, whomever that is, we need to take us to the promise land just doesn't want the job.[/quote]

Yep. The guy wont take the job and the players that are here just dont have what it takes.

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Bill Cowher is not the answer. Without the culture that exists in Pittsburgh, I would be surprised if he was capable of winning more than 6 games a year. His replacement was more successful, more quickly than he was. Besides, Cowher won't be able to help the offense. And he wouldn't have Dick LeBeau, who we all know was and is the real genius behind Pittsburgh's success.

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Re: Russ Grimm, I would be surprised if he ever agreed to work for Dan Snyder and uny circumstances. Ditto Tony Dungy. Good people don't want any part of Snyder, because he's not a good person. Even if he promised to make himself scarce, would anyone believe him?

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[quote=70Chip;598947]Bill Cowher is not the answer. Without the culture that exists in Pittsburgh, I would be surprised if he was capable of winning more than 6 games a year. [B]His replacement was more successful, more quickly than he was. [/B] Besides, Cowher won't be able to help the offense. And he wouldn't have Dick LeBeau, who we all know was and is the real genius behind Pittsburgh's success.[/quote]

Pittsburgh sucked when Cowher arrived and last i checked the new coach inherited a SB winning team... :doh:

Even Barry Switzer won a SB with someone else's team and ppl thought it was HIS coaching that did it. They found out later that it wasnt.

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If Zorn is fired during the season look for Shanahan who can step in and call the plays and be the HC. After the season id like to see Cowher and a new GM. My 2

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[quote=Beemnseven;598142]That's not how I remember it. The Giants dominated us. We scored a garbage touchdown in the final minutes for the desperation drive. The Giants were never threatened in that game.

[B]It was far from "down to the wire" for the Giants.[/B][/quote]

Actually it was far from domination. The Skins held them to two field goals in the second half. Both teams scored a TD without their offense. Their overall stats were probably better, but when I say we took them to the wire, I mean it was a one score game, not to mention in their house. Just because the Skins scored in the last two minutes doesn't mean it was a garbage touchdown. Unless you think the G-men just let them score. That doesn't happen in this division in a close game like that.

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Yeah the Giants hardly dominated, they were definitely not at their best that day.

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[quote=duetsch215;597586]Russ Grimm? HELL YES[/quote]
Why is everyone so big on him other than him being a former Skin?

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[quote=Green1;597622]I think Gruden or Cowher would come, but i dont know about Dungy?[/quote]
Cowher wants his own personnel guy

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[quote=T.O.Killa;597707]how old is Danny Smith. He seems to know what he is doing. I am strickly talking interim coach, that coild possibly be the head coach.[/quote]
Maybe he can make ARE the number 1 receiver as well as punt returner...

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[quote=irish;598141]There isnt a coach out there that can get these losers to play with heart and passion.[/quote]
A revamped roster probably would help, not so much because we don't have any talent now, but our guys look really stale.. fresh hungry guys could make a difference.

Too bad Parcells signed for 4 years with MIA

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[quote=12thMan;598316]Yup. The other arguments: it's Zorn, it's Campbell, it's Blache, it's this and that. Totally irrelevant. The guy, whomever that is, we need to take us to the promise land just doesn't want the job.[/quote]
Dungy would never let Snyder bring in a crazy "MY GOD IS IN A VOLCANO" nutjob to talk to him either.

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How do you think that would strike the Z man.....? lol

Maybe he could keep his job.

Holmgren eyeballing D.C.?

Posted by Mike Florio on September 29, 2009 8:36 PM ET
Former Packers and Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren has been making no bones about his desire to return to the NFL in 2010.

An we've been hearing for months rumors that Holmgren would be very interested in becoming the next coach of the Washington Redskins.

Earlier today, Peter King of SI.com providing some meat for that bone, in an appearance with Chris Russo of Mag Dog Unleashed on Sirius XM Radio.

"I've heard a lot of people say in the last few days, 'Oh, Holmgren wouldn't want to go to Washington,'" King said. "Keep one thing in mind in December when all this stuff starts to go down. Remember where you heard this. Mike Holmgren last year, Thanksgiving weekend, I'm sitting in his office in Seattle and he says, 'You know, I'm going to take this next year off but after that I'll give you a cool little theory for what I might do.' I said, 'What?' And he says, 'I've coached in the Midwest with Green Bay and I grew up playing and coaching out west -- Brigham Young, the 49ers, Seattle.' And he said, 'I'd really love to try the East Coast. That brand of football where you wake up on Sunday morning and it's the most important thing. There aren't 800 things to do. Where you're in East Rutherford or Philly or Washington and it's so important.'

"He said, 'I'd really love to try football on the East Coast.' So do not eliminate Mike Holmgren when you start talking about coaching candidates for [Redskins owner] Dan Snyder."

So we think it'll be Holmgren and Shanahan jockeying for position in D.C., and the Redskins and Cowboys in a possible tug of war to get their preferred candidate.

That's why we don't rule out the 'Skins launching the process before the end of the season, in order to get a crack at Holmgren or Shanahan, before Jerry Jones does.

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Either Holmgren or Shanahan would be great! I could see if holmgren kept Zorn as a offensive coordinator idk...

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Shanahan, post-Elway, proved to be a poor talent evaluator and a coach who loses his team. Just say no to Shanahan.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;599669]Either Holmgren or Shanahan would be great! [B]I could see if holmgren kept Zorn as a offensive coordinator idk[/B]...[/quote]

That was a joke on my behalf. Don't that it would work if Mike H. happened to be the chosen one, for Zorn to be in future Redskin plans.

I would think the Z man would be back to QB coach somewhere.....just my guess.

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[quote=Lotus;599704]Shanahan, post-Elway, proved to be a poor talent evaluator and a coach who loses his team. Just say no to Shanahan.[/quote]

Well said. Pat Bowlen would have never fired him unless there was a reason.

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[quote=skins89moss;598133]Can you say Marty Schottenheimer. The Redskins vets were complaining about how tuff he was on them. They started out 0-5 and we finished 8-8, but Synder wanted the Old Ball Coach because he was a offensive genius. Well you know the rest. Coaches need 3 years to turn things around.[/quote]

Dude this has been my way of thinking. If you can get DS to eat a little crow and bring in Marty as GM, then have the balls to bring in Brian Schottenheimer (currently an OC for the Jets) as HC, because BSchotty has proven himself with the Jets and has had a season with 2 WR's having 1,000 yrd seasons and 1 RB with a 1,000 yrd season. My only worry is if they tried to bring in Kurt Shottenheimer as DC. He has only been a LB's coach I believe and might be over his head trying to lead a whole defense, but his dad Marty was a defensive mind I think.

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Position: Offensive Coordinator
Jets Seasons: 4
NFL Coaching seasons: 11
Age: 35
■ Brian Schottenheimer was retained by Rex Ryan as offensive coordinator after one of the best offensive seasons in franchise history. He was originally named the Jets’ coordinator on Jan. 30, 2006, coming to the team after serving as quarterbacks coach for the San Diego Chargers for four seasons (2002-05). Schottenheimer’s offensive scheme features multiple sets and flexibility as well as a no-huddle component.

■ After acquiring Brett Favre on Aug. 6, the 2008 Jets scored 405 points, only the third time in franchise history that they reached 400 points, and their 42 offensive touchdowns were their most since 1998. The offense ranked 16th in the NFL in total yards and ninth in rushing yards, both rankings the team's highest since 2004. The running game, led by Pro Bowlers Thomas Jones (AFC-leading 1,312 rushing yards, team-record 13 rushing TDs) and Leon Washington (448 yards, six rushing TDs), averaged 4.75 yards per carry, fifth in the league and the best season mark in franchise history.

■ In 2007 Schottenheimer's offense produced a 1,000-yard rusher in Thomas Jones (1,119) and a 1,000-yard receiver in Jerricho Cotchery (1,130).

■ In 2006 Chad Pennington completed 65 percent of his passes for a career-best 3,352 yards while Cotchery (82-961-6) and Laveranues Coles (91-1,098-6) combined for the most catches by any receiver tandem in franchise history.

■ At San Diego, Schottenheimer was instrumental in the development of Chargers QB Drew Brees. Under his tutelage in 2005, Brees completed 64.6 percent of his passes for a career-best 3,576 yards and tied for fourth in the NFL with 24 TD passes.

■ Prior to his stint in San Diego, Schottenheimer worked for his father, Marty, on two previous occasions — as QB coach for the Washington Redskins in 2001 and as offensive assistant/quality control coach for the Kansas City Chiefs in 1998.

■ He gained two years of coaching experience at the collegiate level, tutoring tight ends at Southern Cal in 2000 and wide receivers at Syracuse in 1999.

■ He made his NFL coaching debut in 1997 as an offensive assistant for the St. Louis Rams.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;599669]Either Holmgren or Shanahan would be great! I could see if holmgren kept Zorn as a offensive coordinator idk...[/quote]

Bump him back to QB coach. He is decent at that. Jason has become better. But his playcalling hasn't.

We should bring in Holmgren ASAP because he woulnd't cause any ripples because Zorn coached under him. Things woulnd't have to change dramatically. But I think we bring him in now before the season is over. Maybe before the bye week. As a consultant or whatever.

Plus he has taken to different teasm to the superbowl and seems to be a person who adapts to his personnel.

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[quote=skins89moss;598133]Can you say Marty Schottenheimer. The Redskins vets were complaining about how tuff he was on them. They started out 0-5 and we finished 8-8, but Synder wanted the Old Ball Coach because he was a offensive genius. Well you know the rest. [B]Coaches need 3 years to turn things around[/B].[/quote]

Yet we're ready to replace Zorn after 19 games.

Hmmmm

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Well as fans we do have a great deal of experence when firing and hiring Head Coaches. I don't think thats a good thing but it is easier to just balme the Head Coach and think a new Head Coach will fix the team in 2 seasons or less. All you impatient fire the head coach fans dont want to fix the team you just want to put a band-aid on gun shot wound. If we fire Zorn we have to clean house with our current roster.