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[quote=Hog1;592226]I think I concur. I think we have FAR better talent than our play indicates. While we have definate weak spots, there are FAR less talented teams playing FAR better ball. The guys and staff are going to have to make it.......gel!
We'll see against the Mighty Lions?[/quote]

As long as Barry Sanders isn't suiting up, I like our chances.

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[quote=GTripp0012;592224]Let's at least give Zorn props for making the correct go-for-it call twice in the 4th quarter.

A stretch play when you need a half-yard? Probably not what I would have done, but it's the Skins comfort zone play. I think a QB sneak accomplishes the goal just fine, but it's possible that Zorn really wanted to get in the end zone there, even though the game situation says get a first down and kneel on the ball.[/quote]

I couldn't agree more. We kept running the ball in order to wear them down. Use that advantage. You have to attack in that situation. The red zone calls were bad at the end, but the going for it part was the right thing to do.

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[quote=GTripp0012;592224]Let's at least give Zorn props for making the correct go-for-it call twice in the 4th quarter.

A stretch play when you need a half-yard? Probably not what I would have done, but it's the Skins comfort zone play. I think a QB sneak accomplishes the goal just fine, but it's possible that Zorn really wanted to get in the end zone there, even though the game situation says get a first down and kneel on the ball.[/quote]

I completely agree. I was rooting for a qb sneak.

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[quote=Ruhskins;592216]You win some, you lose some...I'm seeing some of these other teams losing after looking very good last week. I guess a W is a W...as much as you want 40 pts. right now we're better than any 0-2 teams.[/quote]

And, for all of our problems, we wake up tomorrow tied for second place, unless the Giants and Cowboys tie tonight.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams)
 

I have three things I'm deeply concerned about...

1) Playcalling.
2) Opponnent's third down conversion rate.
3) We really haven't gotten a great pass rush. AH is GREAT against the run in the middle, but neither Carter nor Orakpo are getting a lot.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;592238]I have three things I'm deeply concerned about...

1) Playcalling.
2) Opponnent's third down conversion rate.
3) We really haven't gotten a great pass rush. AH is GREAT against the run in the middle, but neither Carter nor Orakpo are getting a lot.[/quote]

I'm not surprised about Carter cause he's really not a good NFL pass rusher. But we were getting some pressure in there. I though Griff played his best game in years. He looked like the Griff of 04.

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[B]The FedEx Field Parking Lot - [/B]It has NEVER taken me as long to get out of the lot as it did today. Hell, it took me almost 45 minutes to get out of my PARKING SPACE because they had our whole lot blocked off so no one could move.

Did anyone else have a problem? I had a green pass, came in on Arena Dr but they made me drive around to the far side of the Stadium so I eventually had to get back to 495 on Eastern. It was terrible.
At least tailgating was pretty much the same as ever.

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[quote=12thMan;592191]You know I keep thinking about this "we're not a good football team" thing.

I don't know how people define that, but we rarely get outplayed. Most of what I've observed over the past 10 games is that we've beat ourselves or we were just not prepared.[/quote]

Well if you're always beating yourself and you're not prepared then what does that make you? I don't think we're bad, we're just average. I think we're well coached on defense. I think we're poorly coached on offense.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams)
 

No matter what, I think we still play to the level of our opponent.

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[quote=jdlea;592127]Jim Zorn definitely didn't call a good game down in the red zone. It's so stupid that the takes the game out of JC's hands in the red zone. Halfback pass on 3rd down, from the 7? Probably the worst call I've ever seen.[/quote]

That call did it for me. I can't take this clown anymore. He had 3 TE's on the field and lined up in a run formation on 3rd and goal from the 10. I don't have a problem with the call, it's calling it on 3rd down when everyone knows you're not going to run.

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[quote=skinsfan69;592278]Well if you're always beating yourself and you're not prepared then what does that make you? I don't think we're bad, we're just average. [B] I think we're well coached on defense.[/B] I think we're poorly coached on offense.[/quote]Please defend this claim. I'll take just one example.

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[quote=GTripp0012;592297]Please defend this claim. I'll take just one example.[/quote]

I never see blown coverages, guys seem to be in position. We don't give up a lot of big plays.

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[quote=skinsfan69;592302]I never see blown coverages, guys seem to be in position. We don't give up a lot of big plays.[/quote]

I could be wrong, but I think today our CBs were not playing well and were giving the Rams WRs a lot of room.

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[quote=skinsfan69;592302]I never see blown coverages, guys seem to be in position. We don't give up a lot of big plays.[/quote]Fair enough.

Couldn't you say exactly the same thing about our offense, that we never take obscenely negative plays on offense, we just sometimes end up in third and long thanks to uninspired first and second down play?

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[quote=Ruhskins;592303]I could be wrong, but I think today our CBs were not playing well and were giving the Rams WRs a lot of room.[/quote]

That's true, the DB's didn't play all that well today. But I didn't see guys blowing coverages. STL scored 7 points so in two weeks the defense has given up 23?

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams)
 

I think I said this already, but I thought Blache called a solid game. He seems to do well against offenses built around a single player.

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I think he misused Rogers against Laurent Robinson, but that seems to be more of a complete personnel issue. Last year, you could have gone with Rogers against Avery, and Springs against Robinson. This year, Robinson is just a mismatch for whoever we have on him.

Big and physical receivers are going to own us all year. That's not Blache's fault, we just constructed the secondary poorly in the offseason.

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[quote=GTripp0012;592305]Fair enough.

Couldn't you say exactly the same thing about our offense, that we never take obscenely negative plays on offense, we just sometimes end up in third and long thanks to uninspired first and second down play?[/quote]

Well yes there aren't a lot of neagative plays cause the offense is conservative. But that doesn't mean we're not poorly coached on offense.

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[quote=GTripp0012;592309]I think he misused Rogers against Laurent Robinson, but that seems to be more of a complete personnel issue. Last year, you could have gone with Rogers against Avery, and Springs against Robinson. This year, Robinson is just a mismatch for whoever we have on him.

Big and physical receivers are going to own us all year. That's not Blache's fault, [B]we just constructed the secondary poorly in the offseason.[/quote][/B]

[B]What would you have done? Kept Springs? [/B]

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[quote=skinsfan69;592310]Well yes there aren't a lot of neagative plays cause the offense is conservative. But that doesn't mean we're not poorly coached on offense.[/quote]Well I agree with that, but doesn't that make the defense just as conservative? I know we blitz a lot, but if you just play the same boring coverage scheme, how aggressive are you really being?

If the argument is that the Skins D is well coached because they don't blow many assignments, and the offense also hardly blows any assignments, I'd say that, in this example at least, the units are equally disciplined.

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[quote=skinsfan69;592311][/b]

[B]What would you have done? Kept Springs? [/B][/quote]Not necessarily. I would have driven a harder bargain with Hall, cut Smoot, used the leverage in the FA market to the best of my ability, would have extended Rogers at the price of the Hall contract, and would have made sure that at least one player that I brought in could match-up with bigger receivers. I know the NFC East went a lot smaller at WR this offseason, but the Giants didn't have much trouble throwing on Hall at all.

If Springs had fit in, I wouldn't have been against keeping him, but he was kind of a non-essential part of the plan, at least until we didn't really replace him.

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I'm officially waiting on Mike Shanahan to come on in and fix this offense right away. He will completely change this offense into a scoring machine. I thought Zorn would be alright but he does not have a clue. It just make me wonder if Campbell is the problem with the offense. Maybe Campbell is not showing that he knows the playbook good enough to call certain plays. Just a guess! We have too much talent on both sides of the ball to be mediocre. We need to start a petition to get rid of Zorn and Blache. If I see our cornersback play 10 yards again on a 3rd and 5 again I will completely lose it.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;591975]I'd also examine Santana Moss a little bit... Whats up with him? He basically hasn't done anything in 2 weeks. And when he did have a chance to do something, he fumbled the ball like a dope.

What's with him? I mean is he even #1 calibur anymore? Sure doesn't look like it to me..[/quote]

Yeah, I found myself asking the same thing today -- where the hell is Santana Moss? What, now the [I]Rams[/I] are shutting him down?

Maybe he'll show up against the Lions....

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[quote=GTripp0012;592309]I think he misused Rogers against Laurent Robinson, but that seems to be more of a complete personnel issue. Last year, you could have gone with Rogers against Avery, and Springs against Robinson. This year, Robinson is just a mismatch for whoever we have on him.

Big and physical receivers are going to own us all year. That's not Blache's fault, we just constructed the secondary poorly in the offseason.[/quote]

Well said. Big WRs take our DBs to school. Our big WRs get schooled by every DB they face. It's very Alice in Wonderlandish.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams)
 

No wonder his last name is Smoot, because of smooting them down!

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[quote=Hog1;591985]Bill? This is Dan.
Soooo, how's the wife and kids? "Hey lookie here Billy, you have had a 2 year vacation......sooooo, how's about I send Redskin One, a sack O'cash, and maybe a piece of 6 flags your way, and you move to DC? How's that sound to you"?[/quote]

Please tell me you didn't mean Bill Cowher. Remember, defense isn't the issue.

We want our offense to get better, not worse.

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[quote=Beemnseven;592318]Yeah, I found myself asking the same thing today -- where the hell is Santana Moss? What, now the [I]Rams[/I] are shutting him down?

Maybe he'll show up against the Lions....[/quote]When I looked at receivers similar to Moss at the end of last season, I found that a lot of them dropped off the face of the earth after they turned 30. Well, Moss is 29. At this point, he's still useful at commanding the defenses' best cover guy, but it's only a matter of time until the league figures out that he's in serious decline.

At which point, he won't be an every down receiver anymore. More of a 3rd WR/3rd down target. Another reason why Kelly's development is so critical.

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[quote=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;592314]I'm officially waiting on Mike Shanahan to come on in and fix this offense right away. He will completely change this offense into a scoring machine. I thought Zorn would be alright but he does not have a clue. It just make me wonder if Campbell is the problem with the offense. Maybe Campbell is not showing that he knows the playbook good enough to call certain plays. Just a guess! We have too much talent on both sides of the ball to be mediocre. We need to start a petition to get rid of Zorn and Blache. If I see our cornersback play 10 yards again on a 3rd and 5 again I will completely lose it.[/quote]

This is the only legitimate coaching change that has a chance to work IMHO. I don't think any great coaches out there will work for Snyder; however Shanahan is a money man through and through and might do it for something ridiculous like $10 mil/year.

That said I think Zorn is toast regardless in the long run. He's an awful playcaller. Don't tell me he's great between the redzones because it's no more relevant in the NFL than what color socks players wear. Scoring is all that matters and Zorn has no idea how to create TDs. Sure our redzone execution was shitty between Sellers, Moss and maybe Thomas. It's Zorn's job to find a way.

...I think the answer is to put the ball in Jason's hands. I want him calling plays. I want him making adjustments at the LOS. I want him running the offense...he'll make the offense better. Keep Zorn or dump him and make Buges the interim HC...either way is fine as long as Jason runs the offense the way he wants.

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Everything's going to be fine. We'll be better in the redzone as the season progresses. Reinhart will be an effective replacement for RT and will justify his 3rd rounder status. Moss will have some big games. Portis will get into a groove and will also still be fresh late in the year. JC will hit the long bomb. We'll work out the kinks in the O during this easy stretch of games, and come on strong in November this year, as opposed to ruling September and then fading. The D will get progressively more dominant as they get to know each other. We'll be fine.

Tired of all this. The glass is half full. Hang in there, folks.

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[quote=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;592314]I'm officially waiting on Mike Shanahan to come on in and fix this offense right away. He will completely change this offense into a scoring machine. I thought Zorn would be alright but he does not have a clue. It just make me wonder if Campbell is the problem with the offense. Maybe Campbell is not showing that he knows the playbook good enough to call certain plays. Just a guess! We have too much talent on both sides of the ball to be mediocre. We need to start a petition to get rid of Zorn and Blache. If I see our cornersback play 10 yards again on a 3rd and 5 again I will completely lose it.[/quote]

You do realize that, post-Elway, Shanahan did not win all that much and his offenses often struggled, don't you?

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[quote=Beemnseven;592318]Yeah, I found myself asking the same thing today -- where the hell is Santana Moss? What, now the [I]Rams[/I] are shutting him down?

Maybe he'll show up against the Lions....[/quote]

Among my concerns, that have been mentioned here so I won't rehash them, is that Moss has become crap for some reason or...and I think this is more likely for some reason...he isn't giving it his all. It seems to me the only route he cares about running is a GD fly or skinny post. Rarely is he open on a shorter route and if he isn't open he seems to just give up quite easily. Maybe it is just the way we are using him but right now he's a complete doughnut for us. I think it is one of the big RZ issues in that he is getting covered one-on-one to easily.

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[quote=The Goat;592326]This is the only legitimate coaching change that has a chance to work IMHO. I don't think any great coaches out there will work for Snyder; however Shanahan is a money man through and through and might do it for something ridiculous like $10 mil/year.

That said I think Zorn is toast regardless in the long run. He's an awful playcaller. Don't tell me he's great between the redzones because it's no more relevant in the NFL than what color socks players wear. Scoring is all that matters and Zorn has no idea how to [B]create TDs.[/B] Sure our redzone execution was shitty between Sellers, Moss and maybe Thomas. It's Zorn's job to find a way.

...I think the answer is to put the ball in Jason's hands. I want him calling plays. I want him making adjustments at the LOS. I want him running the offense...he'll make the offense better. Keep Zorn or dump him and make Buges the interim HC...either way is fine as long as Jason runs the offense the way he wants.[/quote]Your phrasing in the bolded part interests me, because that's exactly what Zorn is trying to do. Create scoring oppertunities.

Except: we're the Redskins and they are the Rams. Stop trying so damn hard. Your passing game will take care of it, I promise you.

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[quote=GTripp0012;592334]Your phrasing in the bolded part interests me, because that's exactly what Zorn is trying to do. Create scoring oppertunities.

Except: we're the Redskins and they are the Rams. [B]Stop trying so damn hard[/B]. Your passing game will take care of it, I promise you.[/quote]

Zorn strikes me as someone who overthinks everything and thus comes up with wrong answers sometimes. He needs to chill.

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[quote=Lotus;592337]Zorn strikes me as someone who overthinks everything and thus comes up with wrong answers sometimes. He needs to chill.[/quote]The try to fool the defense approach worked well last year when were undermanned. Now, it just comes off as annoying.

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I think that the ARE pass at the beginning of the Giants game was an example of this. Zorn was thinking deeply and was trying to play mind games with the defense. Unfortunately his overthinking made him out of touch with reality.

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[quote=12thMan;592229]As long as Barry Sanders isn't suiting up, I like our chances.[/quote]

All losing streaks end at some point. What better opponent for the lowly Lions than one that can't score?

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[quote=Lotus;592344]I think that the ARE pass at the beginning of the Giants game was an example of this. Zorn was thinking deeply and was trying to play mind games with the defense. Unfortunately his overthinking made him out of touch with reality.[/quote]I preferred Zorn's creativity when it was subtle, like, at the beginning of last year when he used to toss a misdirection into every gameplan. Now, he's just being overt and yelling, "LOOK AT ALL THE TRICKS I CAN RUN." Not appealing.

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I am starting to think that JC will be looking at a new offensive system soon.

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[quote=Beemnseven;592347]All losing streaks end at some point. What better opponent for the lowly Lions than one that can't score?[/quote]Well, there's Brett Favre for one.

The Lions defense is more professional than last year, but the offense is worse and they don't have the pass rush to make the game changing plays.

I don't expect a team playing Chad Rinehart in his first career start to light up the scoreboard, but we're not a particularly ideal matchup for the Lions.

Part of the not being able to score problem is being ahead for most of the game. Less urgency. So it's not even a sign of futility really, it's just more of an annoying occurrence that leaves bad opponents in the game into the 4th quarter.

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[quote=The Goat;592326]This is the only legitimate coaching change that has a chance to work IMHO. I don't think any great coaches out there will work for Snyder; however Shanahan is a money man through and through and might do it for something ridiculous like $10 mil/year.

That said I think Zorn is toast regardless in the long run. He's an awful playcaller. Don't tell me he's great between the redzones because it's no more relevant in the NFL than what color socks players wear. Scoring is all that matters and Zorn has no idea how to create TDs. Sure our redzone execution was shitty between Sellers, Moss and maybe Thomas. It's Zorn's job to find a way.

[B]...I think the answer is to put the ball in Jason's hands. I want him calling plays. I want him making adjustments at the LOS. I want him running the offense...he'll make the offense better. Keep Zorn or dump him and make Buges the interim HC...either way is fine as long as Jason runs the offense the way he wants.[/quote][/B]

[B]I agree 100 freaking %. But Zorn's ego will get in the way. [/B]