Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

[quote=53Fan;572997]You tell me Gtripp. Have I lost my mind or have the GNats lost theirs? 97.5 million to Eli? The Ravens win the SB because of defense and they release their QB. The Gnats win because of defense and a couple of very FORTUNATE plays and you give Opie 97.5 million dollars? They better hope he improves....a LOT.[/quote]Well, there's other factors at play here besides "the Giants think Eli is worth 16+ million a year." The truth is, on the open market, he could probably get $60-$70 million. That's still overpaying him, but the Giants paid a premium to prevent him from hitting the market after the season, which to an extent is admirable.

The cost effective way to build a better roster would be to franchise tag Eli and draft his replacement, but that probably would have created more controversy/distraction than a team in New York wanted to deal with.

Still, the Eagles weren't willing to give Donovan McNabb more than two years on a contract, and while Eli might perhaps have stronger prospect than McNabb based on his age and recent performance, if we're talking about who deserves the money, McNabb wins 10 out of 10 times.

The bottom line is that we have two factors here: 1) average to above average quarterbacking is very valuable in this league, and 2) the CBA mandates that so much money has to go to the players, and it inflates the value of mediocre players like Eli.

The Redskins don't seem to understand point #1, but at least they've yet to stick themselves in a no win situation like the Giants just did today.

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[quote=coggs;572929][B]This is why I love Redskins fans.[/B] Every year they come out so optimistic, and every year they crash harder and harder. The Skins will be lucky to win 5 games. The Giants D Line is going to have Campbell on his back more than a 2 dollar hooker.[/quote]

You must love us if you come to our forum.

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

[quote=GTripp0012;573000]Well, there's other factors at play here besides "the Giants think Eli is worth 16+ million a year." The truth is, on the open market, he could probably get $60-$70 million. That's still overpaying him, but the Giants paid a premium to prevent him from hitting the market after the season, which to an extent is admirable.
[/quote]In contrast to this, we overpaid DeAngelo Hall to prevent him from hitting the market, and relative to his position, he's not quite as good as Eli.

But then again, we didn't overpay him by as nearly as much as the Giants did with their quarterback.

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I can't believe the Giants gave Eli Manning that kind of money! That is an asinine contract for that player.

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

Well if we win the SB this year, JC should make the Fortune 500.

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

[quote=Ruhskins;573001]You must love us if you come to our forum.[/quote]

This is where they all come for football related knowledge. :food-smil

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[quote=coggs;572929]This is why I love Redskins fans. Every year they come out so optimistic, and every year they crash harder and harder. The Skins will be lucky to win 5 games. The Giants D Line is going to have Campbell on his back more than a 2 dollar hooker.[/quote]
This is why I love giants fans as well as cowgirls they love TheWarpath...Hail:hater:

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

I just read all six pages, and that was a lot of fun to read!! Thank you 53fan!

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

[quote=GTripp0012;572995]You know who didn't give their middle tier quarterback $97.5 million today?

The Redskins.

Eli will have a chance to shut me up in about 5 weeks, but right now, I'm having fun at the lack of foresight of your team.[/quote]

After reading the mind-numbingly stupid posts from "coggs," I was contemplating a good response. Then I read this. PWNED. Well done.

Eli and his mid-70's QB rating and putrid receiving corps can go rot. He better hope his defense is world class, because they're gonna need it with that lame group of pass catchers.

I'd like to smack Eli. Really. I'd like to walk up to him and smack him open handed in his lispy little slack jawed face, and then look him in the eye and ask him what he's going to do about it. Is that wrong? Have I had one too many single malts? SmootSmack may arrest me for PUI. <end rant>

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

I hope the Redskins don't overpay JC. That being said, Sinorice Moss and Steve Smith the possession receiver don't scare me at all compared to Plax and Amani, although Moss may have an 'older brother' moment on one of the Redskin's DBs...

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

Im happy as hell the Giants gave Eli that type of money. This just means the Giants will be strapped for cash to give other players. We all know Eli cant do it all on his own.

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

Maybe my memory is fuzzy this morning due to this massive head cold I'm battling, but I don't recall people in this much of an uproar over Big Ben's deal that was quite similar. Not talking about opinions just here but in the media and public in general.

Both are the same kind of QB to me, guys who's numbers aren't anything special but they just seem to play their best when the chips are on the line, and they are good fits with their respective teams. I don't have a huge problem with Eli's deal at all.

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as much as i hate to say it, Manning wins. its just something that some Qbacks have. shall i say the IT factor

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[quote=GTripp0012;573000]
Still, the Eagles weren't willing to give Donovan McNabb more than two years on a contract, and while Eli might perhaps have stronger prospect than McNabb based on his age and recent performance, if we're talking about who deserves the money, McNabb wins 10 out of 10 times.
.[/quote]
McNabb is older, has trouble staying healthy, and has often come up small in big games. Don't get me wrong, I think he is very underrated, but ask any objective Eagles fan (yes, there are 2 or 3 out there) about what they think about this season. They will tell you it is all on #5. IF he can stay healthy, they can win the division, if not they go 6-10, 7-9.

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[quote=GTripp0012;572998]As good as the Giants defense has been since 2006, you've barely kept Campbell in check. He very nearly beat you almost by himself the first two times he played you (2006 Week 17, 2007 Week 3), but got shitty performances by the defense on those days. He was injured in Week 15, 2007, but considering the whopping that the backup put on the Giants that day, there's little for you to gloat about.

The best day the Giants defense has ever had against Campbell was Week 1 of last year, and it certainly wasn't sacks or pass pressure that made the difference. Campbell was sacked by Tuck on the first play of the game, and wasn't sacked or picked the rest of the game. He was just ineffective. They got much better results in Week 13, but one deep ball INT and a subsequent 8 minute TD drive against our *No. 4* defense was the difference in that one.

In short, if Campbell is in fact one of the worst QBs in the league as you assert, the Giants defense is holier than Pineapple Jesus.[/quote]

Oh please. The Giants have beaten the Skins 5 out of the past 6 times they have played and off the top of my head I belive 9 out of the past 12.

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I obviously am not going to respond to each point. Is Eli worth that kind of money? No. He obviously has to prove he can do it without Burress, but with the young core of receivers they have, I believe he can do it. 2) improve red zone efficiency- too many damn short fg's last year. The play-off game against the Eagles, 3 FG's, 2 missed FG's. Get 2 of those into the endzone and you are not in desperation mode in the 4th quarter. 3) Pass in the wind at the Meadowlands. The game against the Skins 2 years ago (although the play calling was the bigger problem), both eagles games last season.

Watching Mike and Mike in the morning. They have Kuselias and Herm Edwards on. Talking about Eli's contract and Kuselias named a bumch of QB's to ask Herm who he'd rather have. Brady, Peyton, McNabb, Big Ben, Brees, Palmer and so on. Named about 15 QB's. It was 50-50 whether he'd take Eli or the other guy. Funny thing is, Campbell wasn't even mentioned.

As for the Giants D, you people are ridiculously under estimating the talent the Giants have and you will see it come Sept 13th.

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[quote=Tha Posse;573014]I just read all six pages, and that was a lot of fun to read!! Thank you 53fan![/quote]

My pleasure. :food-smil It's training camp and the juices are starting to flow. I can't wait for the season to start! HAIL REDSKINS!!! :woot:

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

[quote=coggs;573052]Oh please. The Giants have beaten the Skins 5 out of the past 6 times they have played and off the top of my head I belive 9 out of the past 12.[/quote]

Why does your sig include talk about a dynasty even though you guys are not a dynasty? Do you remember losing last year?

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[quote=coggs;572953]More importantly, the best D, and the best OLine. If you do not think they are a championship threat, then you do not know football.[/quote]

Best D and best O-line? In the division, maybe, in the league no way.

Eli is better than JC, but that still doesn't mean I'd want him on the Skins. He's a wanker and a baby. He doesn't even look like a football player. He just looks like a kid on Halloween.

Also, the only thing you can credit Eli with regarding the Superbowl win is about two plays where he managed to avoid what looked like an inevitable sack. That's all.

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I guess you can't read very well, ghetto. I have already said the Super Bowl was a full team effort, and rambled off about 7 guys who could have also been the MVP. I have never in my life said, Eli won that game for the Giants.

Yes, they do have the best OLine, who do you think is better? As for the D, they only team that anyone with a brain can argue is better is Pittsburgh and the Giants beat them in Pittsburgh last year. Although the Steelers winning it all trumps that.

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[quote=coggs;573053]I obviously am not going to respond to each point. Is Eli worth that kind of money? No. [B]He obviously has to prove he can do it without Burress[/B], but with the young core of receivers they have, I believe he can do it. 2) improve red zone efficiency- too many damn short fg's last year. The play-off game against the Eagles, 3 FG's, 2 missed FG's. Get 2 of those into the endzone and you are not in desperation mode in the 4th quarter. 3) Pass in the wind at the Meadowlands. The game against the Skins 2 years ago (although the play calling was the bigger problem), both eagles games last season.[/quote]

I think some pundits out there are saying that the Giants could have easily waited to see if Eli could pull it off without Burress before giving him such a big deal. If you know the New York media any better, you know they are going to bring this up in the Giants' first loss this season.

[quote=coggs;573053]As for the Giants D, you people are ridiculously under estimating the talent the Giants have and you will see it come Sept 13th.[/quote]

I doubt anyone is underestimating the Giants D and if they are well then it is a very biased/rivalry-based opinion. As I said in my long a$$ post in another thread, the Giants and Redskins are pretty equal due to changes in the offseason (Giants off losses, Redskins def acquisitions); however given the homefield they will have in the first game, it would not surprise me if they win. However, I think it will be a low scoring/defensive battle.

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How much do you guys think Snyder will sign Phillip Rivers for next off-season? :)

Seriously though, Rivers should get a massive paycheck now

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

[quote=coggs;573053]I obviously am not going to respond to each point. [B]Is Eli worth that kind of money[/B]? No. He obviously has to prove he can do it without Burress, but with the young core of receivers they have, I believe he can do it. 2) improve red zone efficiency- too many damn short fg's last year. The play-off game against the Eagles, 3 FG's, 2 missed FG's. Get 2 of those into the endzone and you are not in desperation mode in the 4th quarter. 3) Pass in the wind at the Meadowlands. The game against the Skins 2 years ago (although the play calling was the bigger problem), both eagles games last season.

Watching Mike and Mike in the morning. They have Kuselias and Herm Edwards on. Talking about Eli's contract and Kuselias named a bumch of QB's to ask Herm who he'd rather have. Brady, Peyton, McNabb, Big Ben, Brees, Palmer and so on. Named about 15 QB's. It was 50-50 whether he'd take Eli or the other guy. Funny thing is, Campbell wasn't even mentioned.

As for the Giants D, you people are ridiculously under estimating the talent the Giants have and you will see it come Sept 13th.[/quote] That kind of money that he is going to make should be reserved for the very best players at any given position. I'm not sure you could get anyone to say he is the very best qb in the league. He is making the kind of money that you give to players who are game changers. Players that can win games seemingly by themselves(think Peyton, Brady). One thing is for sure, the pressure is on now. NY is a pressure cooker anyway, now it will be magnified. If he succeeds, all is well. If he even plays average, NY fans will be calling for his head.

Anyway, I say good for you eli.

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The Chargers won't let him sniff the open market, but if they did and the Skins were in need of a QB, watch out.

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

[quote=SmootSmack;573080]How much do you guys think Snyder will sign Phillip Rivers for next off-season? :)

Seriously though, Rivers should get a massive paycheck now[/quote]

I feel that Rivers is worth more than Eli, but I cannot see SD one upping NY. Rivers will get paid in the same ballbark, but no more.

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[quote=53Fan;573006]Well if we win the SB this year, JC should make the Fortune 500.[/quote]

This is the downside to the deal for us. Not that I think we're SB bound but if Campbell comes out and has a career year then we're screwed contract-wise. This kind of deal blows up the current scale. everyone in the league knows it's a crap contract for an average player but agents will parlay it into major deals for every other half-baked to good QB in the league.

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[quote=Mattyk72;573083]The Chargers won't let him sniff the open market, but if they did and the Skins were in need of a QB, watch out.[/quote]

Especially after choosing Rivers over Brees. My bet is, they extend during the season. And they should. More interesting things is, what if JC has a decent season. Do we sign during the season? Are the bridges burned? I think the JC watch as far as if he plays well and his future is an interesting scenario to unwrap.

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[quote=coggs;573070]I guess you can't read very well, ghetto. I have already said the Super Bowl was a full team effort, and rambled off about 7 guys who could have also been the MVP. I have never in my life said, Eli won that game for the Giants.

Yes, they do have the best OLine, who do you think is better? As for the D, they only team that anyone with a brain can argue is better is Pittsburgh and the Giants beat them in Pittsburgh last year. Although the Steelers winning it all trumps that.[/quote]

Yur rite, I kant reed verry whel -- u now us Redsskins faans R dum hiks. ;)

I think it's great that you recognize Eli wasn't the cause for the win. Now I know you're not as crazy as I thought. Anyways, that was just a statement and nothing else really.

So, at first it was best D and O-line, and now it's just best O-line and maybe best D?

The Steelers, Ravens and Eagles were all better defenses last year, and the Cowboys have better talent, they just don't know how to use it.

As for the O-line, you're pretty good, but I think the Pats are better. And, maybe a couple other teams like the Saints and Cardinals. It's hard to argue the best of the best, and you're O-line is among them.

You're saying you have the best O-line and best D in the league, which basically means you have the best team in the league. C'mon dude, get real.

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[quote=Angry;573084]I feel that Rivers is worth more than Eli, but I cannot see SD one upping NY. Rivers will get paid in the same ballbark, but no more.[/quote]

They won't be paying him then. Rivers is going to break the bank. If Eli is worth this then (barring major changes to salary structuring pursuant to a new CBA) Rivers is going to fetch more like 6-7 for 110-130 mill including 40+ signing bonus. No doubt. Phillip just peed himself a little.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;573089]Especially after choosing Rivers over Brees. My bet is, they extend during the season. And they should. More interesting things is, what if JC has a decent season. Do we sign during the season? [B]Are the bridges burned?[/B] I think the JC watch as far as if he plays well and his future is an interesting scenario to unwrap.[/quote]

No, money mends all wounds and DS is loaded.

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

[quote=coggs;573070]I guess you can't read very well, ghetto. I have already said the Super Bowl was a full team effort, and rambled off about 7 guys who could have also been the MVP. I have never in my life said, Eli won that game for the Giants.

Yes, they do have the best OLine, who do you think is better? [B]As for the D, they only team that anyone with a brain can argue is better is Pittsburgh[/B] and the Giants beat them in Pittsburgh last year. Although the Steelers winning it all trumps that.[/quote]

I'm not sure about that.

NY is loaded on the DL, although who knows if Canty will produce much in switching to a 4-3 tackle position. But beyond the front 4 the NYG defense is not as accomplished. At linebacker NY is suspect, even if Boley recovers from injury satisfactorily, because Pierce has become a liability in coverage. There is no certainty that you guys have a real player at SLB, although the one good thing that I can say about the Giants is that they draft from U. Virginia. In the secondary, Ross, Dockery, and Johnson have all struggled.

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[quote=Mattyk72;573045]Maybe my memory is fuzzy this morning due to this massive head cold I'm battling, but I don't recall people in this much of an uproar over Big Ben's deal that was quite similar. Not talking about opinions just here but in the media and public in general.

Both are the same kind of QB to me, guys who's numbers aren't anything special but they just seem to play their best when the chips are on the line, and they are good fits with their respective teams. I don't have a huge problem with Eli's deal at all.[/quote]

I don't think Ben and Eli are similar at all. I do think Ben is somewhat over-rated but he rarely, if ever that I can recall, has played poorly. He is a solid no frills QB who makes the throws you ask of him and benfits from a good line.

By contrast Eli has often played badly. He actually has a little better physical upside but with it he can sometimes make better plays than Ben and many times makes bad plays with it.

I think JC is actually a better comparison to Big Ben than Eli by a good bit.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;573089]Especially after choosing Rivers over Brees. My bet is, they extend during the season. And they should. More interesting things is, what if JC has a decent season. Do we sign during the season? Are the bridges burned? I think the JC watch as far as if he plays well and his future is an interesting scenario to unwrap.[/quote]

I think the front office tried to be bluntly honest with him. If what they all seem to say is to be believed they told him to prove he was going to be a franchise QB and they'll pay him. If he goes out and does that then they can make him a fair offer and he should be cool with it based on his personality. I think the FO actually got this right in philosophy. Perhaps their execution was a little ham-handed with all the pursuing other options talk but ultimately they knew they had to kick the tires on other options because JC hasn't shown anyone yet that he can lead us deep into the playoffs. A lot of it isn't his fault for sure but it is the simple fact that is hasn't happened.

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[quote=FRPLG;573099]I don't think Ben and Eli are similar at all. I do think Ben is somewhat over-rated but he rarely, if ever that I can recall, has played poorly. He is a solid no frills QB who makes the throws you ask of him and benfits from a good line.

By contrast Eli has often played badly. He actually has a little better physical upside but with it he can sometimes make better plays than Ben and many times makes bad plays with it.

I think JC is actually a better comparison to Big Ben than Eli by a good bit.[/quote]


Look at their numbers:

Eli: 14,623 yards, 98-74 TD to INT, 42-29 W-L record, 1 SB win

Ben: 14,974 yards, 101-69 TD to INT, 51-20 W-L record, 2 SB wins

JC: 7,242 yards, 35-23 TD to INT, 16-20 W-L record, no playoff appearances

Not sure how JC compares to either frankly.

Ben has his share of bad throws and games but for some reason people seem to be willing to give him a pass.

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

[quote=PennSkinsFan;573089]Especially after choosing Rivers over Brees. My bet is, they extend during the season. And they should. More interesting things is, what if JC has a decent season. Do we sign during the season? Are the bridges burned? I think the JC watch as far as if he plays well and his future is an interesting scenario to unwrap.[/quote]

If JC is showing that he's gotten over the hump and is a QB we can hang our hat on for a while, I would hope Snyder would be smart to make an offer during the season instead of letting him hit the market.

I don't think the bridges have been burned completely, they were torched a bit, but I think winning will heal a lot of those wounds.

If things are going well for JC and Zorn, I don't see why JC would want to turn his back on that. I think JC would love to earn that big payday from Snyder and have the last laugh in all this.

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[quote=Mattyk72;573115]Look at their numbers:

Eli: 14,623 yards, 98-74 TD to INT, 42-29 W-L record, 1 SB win

Ben: 14,974 yards, 101-69 TD to INT, 51-20 W-L record, 2 SB wins

JC: 7,242 yards, 35-23 TD to INT, 16-20 W-L record, no playoff appearances

Not sure how JC compares to either frankly.

Ben has his share of bad throws and games but for some reason people seem to be willing to give him a pass.[/quote]

I meant more stylistically.

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My first thought on this= OVERPAID!

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I love the contract,now they are stuck with that bum.can't look for toomer running those crisp routs,and no more closing his eyes and throwing in plax direction.

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Look at these number don't know if they matter, cause numbers don't account for everything involved in football.

Career completion perecentage: aka "accuracy"


Eli Manning 55.9%
Jason Campbell 59.7%

just for laughs Mike Vick 53.8%

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;573130]Look at these number don't know if they matter, cause numbers don't account for everything involved in football.

Career completion perecentage: aka "accuracy"


Eli Manning 55.9%
Jason Campbell 59.7%

just for laughs Mike Vick 53.8%[/quote]

Shane Matthews 58.6%
Mark Brunell 59.6%

What now, son?!!! :)