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Wonder if Vick will ever play again or if he may go to Canada?

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[quote=JPPT1974;559250]Wonder if Vick will ever play again or if he may go to Canada?[/quote]

His best shot's in Canada, no NFL team is willing to take the PR hit..... except the Raiders

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[quote=gibbsisgod;559050]The dog fighting thing isn't the only issue here. Does no one remember him flipping off fans? How about the Ron Mexico incident? Or the failed drug test? This guy is a cancer and that doesn't take into account the dog fighting thing (which I detest with every fiber of my being).


So, in other words, F... NO![/quote]

agreed this guy is a jerk and he will always be a jerk.prison has probably made him worse we do not need that kind of guy on our team

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[quote]Wonder if Vick will ever play again or if he may go to Canada?[/quote]

Vick will not be going to Canada. Canada can and will refuse entry to U.S. citizens who are felons. I also believe there may be a law prohibiting the employment of felons in Canada.

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[url=http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0824071vick1.html]Michael Vick Cops Felony Plea - August 24, 2007[/url]

These are Vick's court documents and some stuff that has been put out there about him is untrue and some are true. I refuse to get into a debate/argument about the situation. I just submitting the facts take it how you want to.

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[quote=jsarno;559166]WHAT? That makes no sense. [b][i]What Vick did was a FELONY! I can't stand Romanowski, but what he did was not a felony.[/i][/b] To TRY to compare the two even farther...Romanowski lost his temper in the heat of a moment, Vick, knowingly and continually tortured dogs in such a fowl way that it would make most puke and haunt their memories forever. Sorry bud, there is about as much comparison here to the Skins vs 4 year old ballet students!
I will NEVER stop being a skins fan, but I do not want this guy not for what he did (he paid his debt) but because he is no good as a QB. No way his legs are as good as they were 2 years ago making him useless.[/quote]


There really isn't a comparison, you are right about that. But it seems to me that you condone beating your wife, as long as it is in the heat of the moment? I can't torture a dog because...it's a felony...but I CAN put my wife in a hospital in the heat of the moment & that's ok, because it's not a felony? Not sure I'm getting the logic behind that. Like I said, priorities=backwards in this country. Less likely to protect each other & more likely fight each other for the rights of animals. :doh: Makes no sense.

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[quote=Daseal;559270]I also believe there may be a law prohibiting the employment of felons in Canada.[/quote]

Really? So if I live in Canada and commit a felony how would I make a living after I got released from prison? Commit another crime? :laughing2

Im really perplexed. Is this only for Americans trying to get work in Canada? :confused:

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[quote=Daseal;559234]
Domestic disputes are also very high. Violence in the home is a scary thing. I would never advocate the abuse of a spouse. However, I also start to lose patience the longer a person stays in a situation like that. If the words "He hit me" and "again" are in the same sentence -- you've lost my sympathy. Wife beaters DO NOT CHANGE. If he hits you once, get the **** out. You're a human with control and the ability to leave a situation. Perhaps a shelter isn't the ideal situation, but it gives you ability to get back on your feet and away from the asshole.[/quote]


This paragraph screams to me that you have never dealt with this situation or even know someone who has been in an abusive relationship or been told by her abusive spouse, "if you leave, I'll kill you!" If you have no sympathy for a woman who is afraid for her life (& I have seen numerous film clips & read numerous newspaper articles & other stories where the estranged abusive husband returns & takes her life-check any number of Ann Rule books in your local library under "True Crime" section), then how am I supposed to have sympathy for a dog? Wife beaters are violent & they live to invoke fear into others, mainly their spouses & all too often, there are few places for a down-trodden woman to go where she can actually feel &/or be safe. And what if they have a kid together? You are trivializing something you clearly know little about.

[quote]The problem with dog fighting is this, the dogs have no say in the matter and Vick made a conscious decision to torture them. So not only do the animals not have the power to leave the situation, Vick also is killing them, brutally, on purpose. Are there worse things than dog fighting and the torture of animals? Absolutely, but that type of reasoning is dangerous. That's asking people to monopolize all their time, effort, and money on one issue. I am a huge animal lover, I currently have two cats, and my parents have 4 dogs. I just don't understand how someone could do that to something that gives you nothing but love, all the time.[/quote]

I'm not saying that Vick SHOULDN'T have served time in jail, but that being the case, the wife beaters should serve MORE time then. What Vick did was disgusting, of this there is little doubt. But to trivialize one human being hurting another human being for any reason OTHER THAN self-defense & giving presedence to animals rights while people like Romanowski, Pittman, Julio Cesar Chavez & countless others still walk the streets without fear of prison...well, that's just silly.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;559235]Im not even counting what he did against him, as a player,better yet as a QB i was never impressed with him. He can run,thats it. He scares noone with his arm IMO.[/quote]

He was the first QB to beat Green Bay in the playoffs at Lambeau Field & he did that with his arm for the most part. I'll bet he scares Packers fans. And despite everyone's disgust with the man, he had some fairly decent raw talent & could throw a pass farther then most on the field today. I believe he was once recorded throwing a 70 yard pass in the air...from his knees. Not so sure about the accuracy, but he could definitely launch the ball.

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Hell the F-No! The guy was an overrated player. Let him get a real job and start living in reality for awhile.

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[quote=vallin21;559267]His best shot's in Canada, no NFL team is willing to take the PR hit..... except the Raiders[/quote]

~~~~
I would agree, maybe Dallas would take a chance on him?!

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;559342]~~~~
I would agree, maybe Dallas would take a chance on him?![/quote]

I could see that. You know how they like the criminal element.


On a lighter note:

[B]Q:[/B] How do you get 53 Dallas Cowboys to stand up all at one time?

[B]A:[/B] "Will the defendant please rise?"

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[quote=Missin21;559330]There really isn't a comparison, you are right about that. [b]But it seems to me that you condone beating your wife, as long as it is in the heat of the moment?[/b] I can't torture a dog because...it's a felony...but I CAN put my wife in a hospital in the heat of the moment & that's ok, because it's not a felony? Not sure I'm getting the logic behind that. Like I said, priorities=backwards in this country. Less likely to protect each other & more likely fight each other for the rights of animals. :doh: Makes no sense.[/quote]

I 100% absolutely apologize if that is how I sounded. I assure you, that was not my intent...my point is, what vick did was habitual, what Romanowski did was not. I in no way will ever condone spousal abuse. To me, there is no weaker man than someone that beats on his wife. I have said this in other threads, but I understand I did not come across properly, I apologize. I hope this clears things up.

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4 Dallas Cowboys in a car. Who's driving? The police.
What do you call a Cowboy fan with half a brain? Gifted.
What do you call a beautiful girl in Dallas? A tourist.
Why can't Romo use a phone? He can't find the receiver.
How many players did the Cowboys dress for their last game? 22, the rest dressed themselves.
What's the difference between a Cowboy fan and a baby? Eventually the baby stops whining.
Bada Bing!

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[quote=53Fan;559346]4 Dallas Cowboys in a car. Who's driving? The police.
What do you call a Cowboy fan with half a brain? Gifted.
What do you call a beautiful girl in Dallas? A tourist.
Why can't Romo use a phone? He can't find the receiver.
How many players did the Cowboys dress for their last game? 22, the rest dressed themselves.
What's the difference between a Cowboy fan and a baby? Eventually the baby stops whining.
Bada Bing![/quote]

Gonna use these!!! :lol:

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[quote=gibbsisgod;559050]The dog fighting thing isn't the only issue here. Does no one remember him flipping off fans? How about the Ron Mexico incident? Or the failed drug test? This guy is a cancer and that doesn't take into account the dog fighting thing (which I detest with every fiber of my being).


So, in other words, F... NO![/quote]

This is a cruel person guys. Obviously not real smart either.

Nope.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;559050]The dog fighting thing isn't the only issue here. Does no one remember him flipping off fans? How about the Ron Mexico incident? Or the failed drug test? This guy is a cancer and that doesn't take into account the dog fighting thing (which I detest with every fiber of my being).


So, in other words, F... NO![/quote]

All a long I have been opposed to signing MV. Not because of the dog incident. As horrible as some of you fans make it out they were just dogs to me not human beings. He is no Pac-Man.

What concerned me the most was two fold.....does he fit our scheme? in other word would he fit in? and the second being his use of marijuana. Throughout his career at the Falcons little issues would come up similar to his "Airport" incident. was it his water bottle or not? The police were pretty positive then all of a sudden ...well we are not sure. mistakes were made. someone else could have walked up while he was placing all his personal carry ons in the tub and placed a weed fill water bottle in his tub just to get him into trouble.

Basically, I'm sure he's better then Collins. He's an upgrade. So if he can be tought the WCO which I believed he has played in it, then he should be all right in it. The second issue is the main concern then. I presume his yrs in prison have eliminated his weed issue....or so I would hope. I would put in his contract that he gets random drug tests, give a portion of his earning to PETA, and in is off duty time volunteer his time to any animal organization. If he agrees....sign him and see if he's better then TC.

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[quote=Missin21;559330]There really isn't a comparison, you are right about that. But it seems to me that you condone beating your wife, as long as it is in the heat of the moment?[B] I can't torture a dog because...it's a felony...but I CAN put my wife in a hospital in the heat of the moment & that's ok, because it's not a felony?[/B] Not sure I'm getting the logic behind that. Like I said, priorities=backwards in this country. Less likely to protect each other & more likely fight each other for the rights of animals. :doh: Makes no sense.[/quote]

Back up cowboy. In Virginia, torturing a dog is not a Felony as you put it. Animal cruelty is only a misdemeanor. It only became a Felony as you put it cause the Feds were involved.

If the local police would have done their job and investigated the crime MV would have probably only gotten a misdemeanor for the cruelty part. I think the locals saw this case as being bigger then them and requested help from the feds which turned it into felony charges.

Beating your wife is only a misdemeanor. After a 3rd charge in 20 yrs does it becomes a felony. All charges don't have to come from one county or from Virginia either. If you move into VA and have had 2 prior domestic charges then catch a third guess what ....it becomes a felony.

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how come people are more willing to accept a druggie, over an animal abuser? just wondering

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How come people try so hard to humanize animals?

Your druggie question: I think it has to deal with him only hurting himself vs. someone or something else.

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30 yrs ago Vets would not have done a colonoscopy or endoscopy on a dog or cat. The cost to have this done $3000.00 People allow the Vets to perform this type of care for their pets all the time, and due to this the Vets see people as willing to pay whatever it costs to keep the animal alive. Now Vets charge an office visit that is as much if not more then some doctors.

Yes, MV was an asshole for what he did. He got punished and whether anyone thinks it was too hard or not hard enough he paid a price. A judge or jury gave him what they felt he deserved. Part of it based off of how much info he gave to the investigators. He could have easily said no I'm not talking and taken his punishment. If he gave them good info, info that would help lead to other criminals doing the same thing...to help stop animal cruelty then perhaps his punishment was just and fair. Atleast he was doing his part to stop others from doing the same crap he was.

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[quote=nyredskinsfan;559368]This is a cruel person guys. [b]Obviously not real smart either. [/b]

Nope.[/quote]

That just reminds me of the SNL skit with Seth Myers and Amy Pohler.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdE4FIYSmk8[/ame]

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[quote=SBXVII;559374][B]Back up cowboy.*[/B] In Virginia, torturing a dog is not a Felony as you put it. Animal cruelty is only a misdemeanor. It only became a Felony as you put it cause the Feds were involved.

If the local police would have done their job and investigated the crime MV would have probably only gotten a misdemeanor for the cruelty part. I think the locals saw this case as being bigger then them and requested help from the feds which turned it into felony charges.

Beating your wife is only a misdemeanor. After a 3rd charge in 20 yrs does it becomes a felony. All charges don't have to come from one county or from Virginia either. If you move into VA and have had 2 prior domestic charges then catch a third guess what ....it becomes a felony.[/quote]


[B]*[/B] - ? Cowboy? Why would you start the conversation by insulting me like that. You coulda called me Chief, Crazy Injun, Mook...but, Cowboy? :doh:

Ok, in all seriousness, I never said anything about where it took place. I don't think it really matters to me what state the offense takes place. It could be in a different country for all I care. I think my point is more about the abuse of people vs the abuse of animals & how we seemingly regard a dogs life over a persons. That's all. Virginia never even tip-toed across my mind.

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[quote=jsarno;559344]I 100% absolutely apologize if that is how I sounded. I assure you, that was not my intent...my point is, what vick did was habitual, what Romanowski did was not. I in no way will ever condone spousal abuse. To me, there is no weaker man than someone that beats on his wife. I have said this in other threads, but I understand I did not come across properly, I apologize. I hope this clears things up.[/quote]



It's cool. No big deal. I understand how people feel about the subject, I really do. And I'm not opposed to putting someone like Mike Vick in prison for what he did. It seems to me though that our society gets more upset when they hear about a dog abuser, but barely raise an eyebrow at someone who hurts his family. I mean, unless it's like Chris Benoit or the guy who throws his 3 month old from a moving car. It's not until it is extreme that everyone goes, "OMG! That's terrible." That's really more my point then anything. I guess in that case, Vick falls into that category seeing extent of the nature of his crime.

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[quote=53Fan;559346]4 Dallas Cowboys in a car. Who's driving? The police.
What do you call a Cowboy fan with half a brain? Gifted.
What do you call a beautiful girl in Dallas? A tourist.
Why can't Romo use a phone? He can't find the receiver.
How many players did the Cowboys dress for their last game? 22, the rest dressed themselves.
What's the difference between a Cowboy fan and a baby? Eventually the baby stops whining.
Bada Bing![/quote]


:laughing2 :rofl:

What's the difference between a starfish & Jerry Jones?
One is a scum-sucking, bottom-dweller, & the other is a fish.

I love these.

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[quote=Monksdown;559058]The Pro Bowl is over-rated. And so is Mike Vick.[/quote]

You're right about the ProBowl. John Riggins has said more than once he always hoped not to get voted in. His logic being, why risk an injury on a useless game. Does anyone watch the thing?

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[quote=SBXVII;559379]How come people try so hard to humanize animals?
.[/quote]

It's not an issue of [I]humanizing [/I]animals, it's a fact that our society has become more educated about them, and that knowledge has, I believe, made us more compassionate. That's all. Nothing wrong with a society improving upon itself.

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[quote=Missin21;559401][B]*[/B] - ? Cowboy? Why would you start the conversation by insulting me like that. You coulda called me Chief, Crazy Injun, Mook...but, Cowboy? :doh:

Ok, in all seriousness, I never said anything about where it took place. I don't think it really matters to me what state the offense takes place. It could be in a different country for all I care. I think my point is more about the abuse of people vs the abuse of animals & how we seemingly regard a dogs life over a persons. That's all. Virginia never even tip-toed across my mind.[/quote]


Sorry. lol. I didn't think when using the "Cowboy" term. I totally agree with you. I miss understood you. I guess. I think we are kinda saying the same thing about how some people value animals more then humans. Unfortunatly those people will also say that humans have a choice and can leave on the other hand animals can't.

My issue is the fact that people hold animals in such high regards as if it were their children and due to the fact that some can't have kids they buy animals to fill the gap and there in lies the problem. for some that is.

Everytime I hear someone complain about how much their vet bill was to save said animal I laugh. I guess people think I'm crazy when I say I'd rather pay the $50.00 sleep medicine vs. paying out the butt to save my pets life. I even point out that a hunting accident only costs 25 cents.

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[quote=SBXVII;559417]Sorry. lol. I didn't think when using the "Cowboy" term. I totally agree with you. I miss understood you. I guess. I think we are kinda saying the same thing about how some people value animals more then humans. Unfortunatly those people will also say that humans have a choice and can leave on the other hand animals can't.

My issue is the fact that people hold animals in such high regards as if it were their children and due to the fact that some can't have kids they buy animals to fill the gap and there in lies the problem. for some that is.

Everytime I hear someone complain about how much their vet bill was to save said animal I laugh. I guess people think I'm crazy when I say I'd rather pay the $50.00 sleep medicine vs. paying out the butt to save my pets life. I even point out that a hunting accident only costs 25 cents.[/quote]


:lol: That's actually pretty funny.

As I have stated, I have pets. I simply don't put them above MY needs. I feed them & care for them as anyone should for their pets. But I also see them as just that. Pets. Not miniature children or semi-humans. They are animals.

Now, I can understand & do value the fact that they, especially dogs, love unconditionally & a person torturing said animals is betraying that love & trust & it is very sad & disturbing when someone like Vick does what he did. I think what he did was terrible.

But like I said, this country's priorities are backwards when people say, with little conviction, they have no sympathy for a battered wife who's scared to leave her situation & is more likely to jump in front of a bus for a dog. "String him up" for beating a dog, but let a woman say, "He hit me...again" & she gets a "Well, you deserve it. You won't leave." :doh: There's something really wrong with that mentality.

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What Vick did was horrible and there is absolutely no excuse for it, but he has paid his debt to society. What I see in our offense is a lack of playmakers. Moss is the only guy I feel like when he does get the ball he can take it to the house or the ability to make an exciting game changing play that gives confidence to the rest of the offense. Cooley and Portis are steady players who can get the first down when needed, they are reliable players. JC plays a little robotic but has big play ability if he would stop over thinking everything. Randle El was suppose to be the game changer, big play, unorthodox weapon of our offense and special teams...he makes a big play once a year, but really hasnt lived up to the hype. I say give Vick a one year deal. I would not trade a pick for him, but wait until he is released and sign to 1 year. Wildcat formation would be exciting to see. Taking swing out passes out of the backfield in space would be exciting to see. Taking reverses, double-reverses from the wideout position would be exciting to see. Getting a screen pass would be exciting to see. Seeing him throw the ball,....not that excited to see. I would NOT want him throwing the ball, but seeing him return a punt or getting the ball in space would be a shot to the offense that we lack. Deffenses would have to game plan for him. 5-10 touches a game, for one year, lets see what would happen.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;559049]I am not worried about the dog-fighting - as you said he did his time now move on. But I don't want him here as a player. We have a QB, we have a WR/QB in ARE, and we have RBs so, what position does he fill here?
He may go somewhere else and shine, and that would be great, but he would not do much to improve us, that i can see.[/quote]

Okay. Is JC in the last year of his contract? Is ARE a full time QB? I honestly think we should cut him if we could and it wouldn't cost us any money. He would play QB. He could sit for one season behind Campbell. Then at theend of the season he should be in shape or before then. I think he would improve us dramatically. Because he can throw the long ball and he is a threat to run. So it causes defense to respect our offense. I am rooting for JC but it would be nice to have Vick as a back up this season...But as far as what position he plays. QB. After he gets back in shape. If Jason doesn't do his thing. We have Vick getting and getting ready to play. By the end of the season or next season.

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[quote=SkinDogg;559416]It's not an issue of [I]humanizing [/I]animals, it's a fact that our society has become more educated about them, and that knowledge has, I believe, made us more compassionate. That's all. Nothing wrong with a society improving upon itself.[/quote]

Yeah these people love animals more than humans. If they saw a bum on the street they probably would step over them. Social improvement? I love animals and I dont want to see them harmed. But if its a baby and a puppy about to fall of a bridge which one would you chose....How about this save a life of a child that is dieing somewhere in the world.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;559488]Yeah these people love animals more than humans. If they saw a bum on the street they probably would step over them. Social improvement? I love animals and I dont want to see them harmed. But if its a baby and a puppy about to fall of a bridge which one would you chose....How about this save a life of a child that is dieing somewhere in the world.[/quote]

Just because people are appalled at what Vick did doesn't in anyway mean they think animals are more important than humans. With the exception of PETA.

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Vick is NOT the answer. He can run with the ball but never did much as a passer. 2 min in the game,we have to drive 80yds for a td to win. Do you honestly want Vick under center? There are a few good QB's becoming FA's at the end of the season -Rivers-and the draft will have some good ones possibly coming out-Bradford-. If we change id rather go that route than Vick.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;559493]Vick is NOT the answer. He can run with the ball but never did much as a passer. 2 min in the game,we have to drive 80yds for a td to win. Do you honestly want Vick under center? There are a few good QB's becoming FA's at the end of the season -Rivers-and the draft will have some good ones possibly coming out-Bradford-. If we change id rather go that route than Vick.[/quote]

Nobody was arguing Vick is the greatest passer, even in his prime he was not known to be a great passer but other skills allowed him to excel. This thread is about him coming to skins, so were comparing him to Campbell and Colt. Even then hes not a good fit.

And yes i would rather have Vick under center with 2 min to go rather then Campbell, but no i don't want him with the skins.

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This thread is about him coming to skins, so were comparing him to Campbell and Colt. Even then hes not a good fit.

Thats what im sayin, he isnt better than what we already have so there is no need to bring that baggage to D.C

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he would be A) cheap, and B) a viable option at backup. not to mention a decoy for this new wildcat craze that seems to be sweeping the NFL. Plus, with the geographic convenience for him, he may be more likely to sign here. I am by no means saying he is the next QB messiah for us, but really, would it hurt anything?

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Well, he can play but has blown his chances!

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not to mention a decoy for this new wildcat craze that seems to be sweeping the NFL.

All i have heard the entire offseason is how our players dont know the offense, now you want to add another offense just to get ONE player on the field??
Im just sayin we dont need gimmicks, we need to be proficient in the WCO before we even think of adding another set to our offense.

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Hell no!!!