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[quote=celts32;535904]We should be going hard after him...we have not had a franchise QB since 1982. And yes I think Cutler is one. I would go as high as two #1's to get him.[/quote]

and yet we have won SB's without em. No we need our draft picks, not a QB that is going to cry when Zorn throws pads at him!

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[quote=GMScud;535912]Amen. Thin-skinned is right. Kind of like the way he refuses to meet with his new head coach. It's a tough business, Jay. This probably won't be the first time your name is floated in a trade rumor. Grow up. I equate his behavior to a little kid throwing a tantrum by stomping his feet and putting his fingers in his ears. He comes off like a jerk.[/quote]

I don't think Cutler is mad about having his name floated around in trade rumors. He's mad that McDaniels isn't being straight with him about it. I'm not sure why the owner gave a 32 year old HC w/ no HC experience the power to shop Cutler. The guy's been there a few months and has pissed off your franchise QB and hired Mike Nolan to run your defense. Not a real good start.

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[quote=skinsfan69;535925]I don't think Cutler is mad about having his name floated around in trade rumors. He's mad that McDaniels isn't being straight with him about it. I'm not sure why the owner gave a 32 year old HC w/ no HC experience the power to shop Cutler. The guy's been there a few months and has pissed off your franchise QB and hired Mike Nolan to run your defense. Not a real good start.[/quote]

You don't hear me defending McDaniels. Whether McDaniels was right or wrong, Cutler handled it poorly and publicly. I could see a diva WR or RB mouthing off, but QBs are supposed to be steady leaders. Handle it in house, not through media outlets.

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[quote=Mattyk72;535909]Just say no to tossing away draft picks. Cutler is a very talented young QB but we already have our own young and talented QB, let's continue to develop him.[/quote]

Absolutely. If JC gets some protection and is not being hit before he finished dropping back to pass, he can be a great NFL QB. (Uhh...that Pittsburgh game was so tough to watch for this reason)

Campbell also has a cannon for an arm and can run far better than Cutler. He's also a harder worker, better team guy and is actually dedicated to his job, unlike what Cutler is portraying. He'll end up the better QB at the end of their careers.

Jeff George had a "big arm" too...that alone doesn't make a good QB.

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[quote=Mattyk72;535909]Just say no to tossing away draft picks. Cutler is a very talented young QB but we already have our own young and talented QB, let's continue to develop him.[/quote]

I am not a JC hater...you will not find one thread in which I bashed him. I just think Cutler is an elite talent and when someone like Cutler at his age becomes available I think you should do whatever it takes to get him. I know we won in the past without great QB's but in this era the teams that win 10+ games year in and year out all seem to have a franchise QB. I hope JC becomes a franchise QB but I think Cutler has shown enough to say that he already is one. I want him...and I would pay a steep price to get him.

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[quote=celts32;535944]I am not a JC hater...you will not find one thread in which I bashed him. I just think Cutler is an elite talent and when someone like Cutler at his age becomes available I think you should do whatever it takes to get him. I know we won in the past without great QB's but in this era the teams that win 10+ games year in and year out all seem to have a franchise QB. I hope JC becomes a franchise QB but I think Cutler has shown enough to say that he already is one. I want him...and I would pay a steep price to get him.[/quote]

Understood, but I never said anything about you being a hater.

I think 2 first rounders is too steep.

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I know you didn't...but there is a lot of JC hating going around and I just wanted to make it clear that my interest in getting Cutler is more about what I think of Cutler then it is about just getting rid of JC.

It is steep but when it comes down to it I would pay that price and maybe even more. The Redskins have not had a franchise QB since 1981...and when it comes down to it what are a few draft picks worth when compared to 10 years of great QB play?

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[quote=celts32;535957]I know you didn't...but there is a lot of JC hating going around and I just wanted to make it clear that my interest in getting Cutler is more about what I think of Cutler then it is about just getting rid of JC.

It is steep but when it comes down to it I would pay that price and maybe even more. [B]The Redskins have not had a franchise QB since 1981[/B]...and when it comes down to it what are a few draft picks worth when compared to 10 years of great QB play?[/quote]

As much as I love Joe Theismann, he WAS NOT a franchise QB. I think the last truly great QB this town has seen was Sonny J.

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[quote=celts32;535944]I am not a JC hater...you will not find one thread in which I bashed him. I just think Cutler is an elite talent and when someone like Cutler at his age becomes available I think you should do whatever it takes to get him. I know we won in the past without great QB's but in this era the teams that win 10+ games year in and year out all seem to have a franchise QB. I hope JC becomes a franchise QB but I think Cutler has shown enough to say that he already is one. I want him...and I would pay a steep price to get him.[/quote]

I doubt Denver is that stupid to get rid of Cutler. If he and Josh McDaniels can't work it out I would fire JM before I trade Cutler. But let's say Denver asked us for JC and our number one pick for Cutler I'd make that deal in a second.

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[quote=celts32;535957]I know you didn't...but there is a lot of JC hating going around and I just wanted to make it clear that my interest in getting Cutler is more about what I think of Cutler then it is about just getting rid of JC.

[B]It is steep but when it comes down to it I would pay that price and maybe even more.[/B] The Redskins have not had a franchise QB since 1981...and when it comes down to it what are a few draft picks worth when compared to 10 years of great QB play?[/quote]

And we think Vinny is crazy?

Yikes.

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[quote=Mattyk72;535967]And we think Vinny is crazy?

Yikes.[/quote]

IMO Cutler is going to be great. When people talk about the best QB's in the league I think his name will come up quickly. Others may not think he's that good but assuming that is true...how many draft picks do you think that is worth? How many draft picks would you have payed for say Marino, Elway, Manning even McNabb as they were entering their prime? A player like this just doesn't become available. Teams just don't trade away potential franchise QB's in their early to mid 20's...they trade them at 30+ when they are used up...this situation is unheard of. More then 2 #1 picks seems crazy for just about any player in the league but not for a franchise QB entering his prime. The reason you think its crazy is because teams don't trade players like this so there is no president to fall back on.

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[quote=Mattyk72;535967]And we think Vinny is crazy?

Yikes.[/quote]

I second your opinion Matty, why don't we just give away all our draft picks for this guy ...lol (vinnie looking smart compared to some of these posts we need to get young, not give away more picks)

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[quote=Eknox;535976]I second your opinion Matty, why don't we just give away all our draft picks for this guy ...lol (vinnie looking smart compared to some of these posts we need to get young, not give away more picks)[/quote]

I would give them all and then some...in a second. And normally I never suggest trading draft picks...but this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. I think we all just have a difference of opinion on how good Cutler is going to be.

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[quote=Mattyk72;535967]And we think Vinny is crazy?

Yikes.[/quote]

Do we all agree that if Cutler went back in this draft he would go #1 overall? And if you believe reports then Detroit has already offered this pick for him. Assuming we agree then that #1 pick has a value of 3000 points on the trading chart the NFL teams use. The Redskins pick #13...so I started from there. This is about what it would take to get to the 3000:

#13 = 1150 points
#14 = 1100 points
#23 = 760 points

You can argue if Cutler as a player is worth it and if it's the right move for the redskins...but teams have payed this steep price to go up and get players before. The Giants for instance payed a steep price for Eli a few years ago.

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You obviously place high value with Cutler, a QB who hasn't even won a playoff game in this league. If you're going to give up that much he better be a guy that leads you to multiple Super Bowls in the future. At this point I'm not ready to say he's that kind of guy.

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[quote=Mattyk72;535996]You obviously place high value with Cutler, a QB who hasn't even won a playoff game in this league. If you're going to give up that much he better be a guy that leads you to multiple Super Bowls in the future. At this point I'm not ready to say he's that kind of guy.[/quote]

That's fair...and yes I do place that high value on Cutler. I think he is a QB that can lead a team to Super Bowls and if his team does not win Super Bowls I do not think it will be because of his play.

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I'd do Cutler for Campbell straight up. Throwing in high draft picks to sweeten a deal that Denver already has every incentive to do is just Portis-Bailey all over again.

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Denver would most likely have no interest in JC. It would be a draft pick trade with someone if Cutler was moved.

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I don't see how you can ignore the tantrum Cutler is throwing. According to reports(no link) he ignored calls from the OWNER of the Broncos. No way would I want him on a team I root for (which I root for Denver in the AFC and wish they could have traded him earlier). This is not what you want your QB/Offensive leader to be doing. Maybe JM handled it poorly, all the more reason a pro QB could and should understand the situation and work to better it. Not exacerbate it by hanging up on a conference call.
I doubt Cutler will ever rise above the crop, not due to onfield talent, but because of his me first attitude.

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This whole franchise QB issue is EXACTLY why we should have brought in Drew Brees when we had the opportunity a few years ago...

That guy was a no-brainer (even with the surgery) cuz he just knows how to make decisions. This is a very lofty statement but, given our personnel and Snyder's pocketbook, i am certain we would have made the playoffs every year if we would have signed him (regardless of the situation with our offensive line).

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Pipe Dream........

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[quote=Rajmahal33;536012]This whole franchise QB issue is EXACTLY why we should have brought in Drew Brees when we had the opportunity a few years ago...

That guy was a no-brainer (even with the surgery) cuz he just knows how to make decisions. This is a very lofty statement but, given our personnel and Snyder's pocketbook, i am certain we would have made the playoffs every year if we would have signed him (regardless of the situation with our offensive line).[/quote]

We had just traded a bunch of picks to get Denvers 1st rounder so we could pick Campbell the year before. We still had Mark Brunell on our roster; he was our starting QB and had just taken us to the playoffs for the first time in forever. we werent in the market for a QB.

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It's funny how people criticize the FO so much, yet the this move would be one that not even the worst FO would do...well maybe Matt Millen would but it'd need to be a WR. After investing so much money on defense and possibly bringing a young offensive lineman in the first round, you want to bring in a new QB that needs to learn the system and have a one-year adjustment? Come, this is not a veteran QB that you'd be bringing who can pick up the offense easily. I think you guys are underestimating the need to have continuity at the key positions, not too mention giving JC the opportunity to develop confidence in the young WRs we have.

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[quote=celts32;535999]That's fair...and yes I do place that high value on Cutler. I think he is a QB that can lead a team to Super Bowls and if his team does not win Super Bowls I do not think it will be because of his play.[/quote]
where do you get this kind of faith from? oh, i know. all the national championship games that Vandy played in. some guys just know how to win. i think Cutler isn't one of them. probably end up with great stats, and no rings

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Interesting take on Cutler from Washington Post NFL Blogger Dan Levy-

[quote=Dan Levy-http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/panelists/2009/03/cutler-mcdaniels-broncos-coaching-levy.html] What has Jay Cutler done? Win three less games than he's lost? Check. Take a team that was 7-4 in his rookie season and NOT lead them to the playoffs? Check. Lead his team to three straight-season ending losses last season when one win would have gotten them into the playoffs? Check and mate. By all accounts, Jay Cutler thinks Jay Cutler is awesome. But his production on the field hasn't produced the most important thing -- wins. He's not a winner. His career record in the NFL is 17-20. His record at Vanderbilt was 11-35. His teams won five games in conference in four seasons. That's not an indictment on Cutler. Maybe the rest of his team was terrible. But the numbers don't lie. He has never won at a high level. (Okay, fine it is an indictment on Cutler.)[/quote]

I think a lot of people fall in love with his talent while ignoring his production. I've been guilty also of wondering about him in DC but I've never thought he's worth the cost to get him.

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Skins and Broncs with another blockbuster trade. Doubtful, I have only seen the Cutler highlights on ESPN and have never watched the Broncos from kickoff til the final gun.

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dare i say it. Jay Cutler = Jeff George?

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[quote=dmek25;536357]dare i say it. Jay Cutler = Jeff George?[/quote]

He's definitely acting like a baby.

[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/15/cutler-broncos-feud-escalates-again/]ProFootballTalk.com - CUTLER, BRONCOS FEUD ESCALATES, AGAIN[/url]

His poor handling of adversity is not a good sign IMO.

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[quote=GMScud;537065]He's definitely acting like a baby.

[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/15/cutler-broncos-feud-escalates-again/]ProFootballTalk.com - CUTLER, BRONCOS FEUD ESCALATES, AGAIN[/url]

His poor handling of adversity is not a good sign IMO.[/quote]

**** Cutler!! He's acting like a big PUSSY!! They are bending backwards to make amends and he's acting like a jilted bride.

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Cutler hasn't actually won anything yet. But he sure is acting like he has.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80f45763&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Cutler-McDaniels meeting doesn't bring an end to ongoing feud[/url]
Seems like this guy doesn't take criticism well at all. I can see fireworks between him and Zorn.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;537080][URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80f45763&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true"]Cutler-McDaniels meeting doesn't bring an end to ongoing feud[/URL]
Seems like this guy doesn't take criticism well at all. I can see fireworks between him and Zorn.[/quote]
hey if you went to work tomorrow and found out that your employer tried to trade you to a rival company for another person you would be pissed. He has every right to be upset. I would want to be traded to a team that wants one of the best QBs in the league.

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There could be divorce proceedings in this mess...? Who knows how this thing will end. But it surely isn't a pretty picture now.

[url=http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_11919325]Tension between Cutler, McDaniels isn't diminishing - The Denver Post[/url]

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[quote=T.O.Killa;537093]hey if you went to work tomorrow and found out that your employer tried to trade you to a rival company for another person you would be pissed. He has every right to be upset. I would want to be traded to a team that wants one of the best QBs in the league.[/quote]

No one is saying it's wrong to be upset. It's how he's handling it. Crying to media and essentially stomping his feet like a baby when he's is supposed to be a pro-bowl caliber team leader is pretty weak.

It's the NFL. Players' names get floated in trade rumors all the time. If he's upset, he should have handled it in-house, behind closed doors. All this crap is not good for the Broncos organization or their rookie head coach. Cutler is acting really selfish IMO.

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[quote=GMScud;537102]No one is saying it's wrong to be upset. It's how he's handling it. Crying to media and essentially stomping his feet like a baby when he's is supposed to be a pro-bowl caliber team leader is pretty weak.

It's the NFL. Player's names get floated in trade rumors all the time. If he's upset, he should have handled it in-house, behind closed doors. All this crap is not good for the Broncos organization or their rookie head coach. Cutler is acting really selfish IMO.[/quote]

Yes, Cutler IMO is acting like nothing more than an overgrown baby! I'm actually supposed to feel sorry for another millionaire NFL QB that might or might not be on the trading block(By the way he has proved very little in the league to begin with, yes I know he can play in high altitude with his medication).... Please, not in this lifetime!

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Cutler kind of has had a reputation for being a jerk in league circles long before all this started.

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I dont care if he is acting like a baby,I would take him over JC

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;537106]Yes, Cutler IMO is acting like nothing more than an overgrown baby! I'm actually supposed to feel sorry for another millionaire NFL QB that might or might not be on the trading block(By the way he has proved very little in the league to begin with, yes I know he can play in high altitude with his medication).... Please, not in this lifetime![/quote]

Maybe he wanted out of Denver all along? This is his chance to get out and blame the Broncos in the process. Something don't smell right. However would take him over Campbell in a heartbeat.

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We have our QB already. Jason Campbell is going to be our QB for the next 8-10 years. Why is everyone so willing to throw this guy away? Seriously, let's at least give him a second year in the same offense (for the first time...maybe EVER in his entire football career) before we dump him. Do you really want to trade for a biznitch like Cutler? Seriously, this kid has been crying for 3 weeks now about this trade that didn't happen. Too damn bad if your new coach was trying to get a guy he was already familiar with...the NFL is a business, it's not Romper Room. The first sign of adversity in his career (his battle with diabetes aside) and he's acting like a 5th grader. That's the difference between him and Campbell...Jason is unflappable. Watch his demeanor after a play...you can't tell whether he just threw a TD or a pick...he's cool and calm under pressure (very Montana-esque). Who do you want leading your team? A whiney ass kid or a tough nosed FOOTBALL player. I've got my moving buddy and it's Jason Campbell. Don't post any BS about Campbell's holding the ball too long either...it only seems that way because the O-line was terrible in the second half last year. When the line played well and sustained blocks (first 8 games) Jason won 6 of 8!! Who complained then? No one, we were praising him.

Please don't take this as an attack on anyone's post/opinion, I respect everyone on this site (we have very knowledgeable fans). I'm just trying to emphasize my support for Jason Campbell as our QB!! Mad man-love for the kid! LOL.

HAIL!!

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